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Books and Bytes - Issue 20

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Books & Bytes
Issue 20, November-December 2016
by Nikkimaria (talk · contribs), Ocaasi (talk · contribs), UY Scuti (talk · contribs), Samwalton9 (talk · contribs)

  • Partner resource expansions
  • New search tool for finding TWL resources
  • #1lib1ref 2017
  • Wikidata Visiting Scholar

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MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 00:00, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

Doublet (lens)

Re this edit: I see that you think WP:NOTBROKEN doesn't apply because you changed the link text as well as the target. I still don't think this is a good edit. The principle behind WP:NOTBROKEN still applies: the text is talking about an achromatic doublet, so the correct link is to Achromatic doublet, regardless of where that link currently redirects. Changing the link so that only the adjective was linked also violates WP:SPECIFICLINK. It's always better to link a noun phrase than an adjective, for the same reason that WP:NAME discourages adjectives as page titles.

Why do you prefer your version anyway? I see no advantage in it.--Srleffler (talk) 00:21, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

The principle of WP:NOTBROKEN has no bearing here; and there's nothing at WP:SPECIFICLINK to support your assertion about adjectives. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 23:31, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
Linking just the word "achromatic" rather than the phrase "achromatic doublet" violates WP:SPECIFICLINK. The whole phrase should always be linked. The correct target for the link is achromatic doublet, because that is the relevant topic. Whether that topic happens to redirect somewhere else today is irrelevant.--Srleffler (talk) 01:54, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
"The whole phrase should always be linked" is not what WP:SPECIFICLINK says. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:24, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
"Achromatic doublet" is more specific than "achromatic".--Srleffler (talk) 05:54, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #244

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
  • Discussions
    • New administrator: Pyb is now admin on Wikidata!
  • Other Noteworthy Stuff
  • Development
    • Created a new Special:EntityPage, needed for federation (phabricator:T153499)
    • Sitelink "name" and "badges" in diffs are now translated (phabricator:T111016)
    • Worked on finalizing mockups for editing Wikidata from Wikipedia and co. Now working on the click-dummy for it so we can try it with you.
    • Last touches for automated sitelinks for Wiktionary.
    • A ton of refactoring needed for Wiktionary support.
    • More research on improving our input widgets (for example URL and date).

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Tech News: 2017-04

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

  • You can see a list of the templates on a page you edit with the visual editor. [1]

Changes this week

  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 24 January. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 25 January. It will be on all wikis from 26 January (calendar).

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20:15, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

Consistency between infoboxes

By my last count there were 35 biographical infobox templates, more and more get merged, but we have different ones for each sport, different types of military people, and certain political positions. Generally they contain about 10 core biographical data fields, like name and birth_date. Someone is arguing the the rules generated at infobox_person have to be litigated at each of the 35 templates. My argument is that the centralized rules on core data applies. I do not know where you stand on the issue. Can you comment at Template talk:Infobox person? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk • contribs) 00:15, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

National Inventory of Canadian Military Memorials

Hi Andy. I found around 300+ links that I am fixing to the National Inventory of Canadian Military Memorials. I created {{National Inventory of Canadian Military Memorials}} along the lines of {{CWGC}} (though there might have been a better template to copy). Would you be able to look over that and tweak it if I goofed with anything? Or maybe point me to someone who might be able to help? I removed the Wikidata stuff as I don't think a Wikidata property has been created for this yet, but that is something that would be a good idea at some point, probably. I do intend to get back to the CWGC links at some point as well (I see tracking categories have been created there). Carcharoth (talk) 07:43, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

@Carcharoth: Looks good to me. Let me know if you need help with a Wikidata property proposal. @Harry Mitchell: as this is likely of interest. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:11, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
Thanks, Andy. Not sure about a Wikidata property proposal as I'm not sure how stable that ID is or indeed the location of the database. Will come back to this later. Going back to the CWGC template, I was comparing this tracking category with this list (items on Wikidata that use the CWGC person ID). I think the differences are people in Wikidata that don't have Wikipedia articles. Incidentally, that latter link, is it the only way to query Wikidata to find out all the instances of P1908, or is there another way to do that? I know that queries can be run to combine different things, but how do you do a simple query just to list all instances? (Ultimately, I'd want to list all examples from Wikidata of the CWGC IDs (both people and cemeteries and memorials) and also list all instances from Wikipedia). Will the tracking categories and 'what links here' allow that, or will the links at the Property talk page be better? Hmm. I just found what I am looking for. At this page, the '+' link is the one I was looking for (in the line 'Start a query – + – Statistics by class – String length – List of qualifiers – Count'). There is nothing on that page that indicates that the '+' sign is what you would use to get a list of all instances of uses of that property. That is incredibly user unfriendly. I am trying to find out where to change that, but am failing. Can you help? Carcharoth (talk) 12:44, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
@Carcharoth: The "+" is indeed incredibly obscure, and your post is the first I've heard of it. It's part of d:Template:Property documentation, or you could ask on that template's talk page, or, for more visibility, the 'Project Chat (like our Village Pump) on that project. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:10, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
I eventually worked it out myself. See here. You have to toggle a button on the editing toolbar to see 'invisible characters' in Lua modules. Carcharoth (talk) 13:23, 24 January 2017 (UTC)
@Carcharoth: Thanks for the update, and well done! Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:00, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Background colour

Working on FP (Poulenc): how would I - in the row template - code a background colour for 1) a row, 2) a single cell? I'd prefer to just colour genre than the whole row. Compare fr:Liste des œuvres de Francis Poulenc. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:10, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: Is it absolutely necessary to do so? Please see MOS:COLOUR before we proceed. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:07, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
Of course not, - what IS absolutely necessary? The French have different colours for different genres. The list is chronological, so to see at a glance if song or opera would be helpful for those who see it. Sure, those who can sort, can sort by genre, others can search for a given one. For Poulenc, it might be more useful than others, because he often made arrangements, for piano etc, same title. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:15, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
@Gerda Arendt: OK. It will be necessary to re-engineer the row template. Do you want to be able to use any colour, or something more like the colours in {{Infobox musical artist}}, which are set according to the value of the {Para|background}} parameter? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:10, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
If it's major work, just don't. If you want to do it: light colours, that you recommend. Poulenc has seven groups in French. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:35, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
@Gerda Arendt: I'm having a busy few days; I'll take a look when I get some free time. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 06:44, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
Thank you. I remembered that we have something I call the Alakzi colours, last table here, - perhaps I can figure it out myself once the table is complete, I mean all pieces in, - it will probably never be complete. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:34, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

In a different approach, I now made something like subgenres: "stage" in general with an addition of "opera", "ballet", "Incidental", - feedback welcome. Unfortunately there's no article genre (music) that would help me to make a meaningful sort. Problem with Poulenc is that sacred and secular are a layer across many genres. - What do you think of the undiscussed page move, btw? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:02, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #245

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
  • Development
    • RDF exports will contain sitelink page names as strings in addition to the URLs (phab:T148923)
    • Switching the remaining special pages for labels, descriptions and aliases to the OOUI design (phab:T48248)
    • Finalizing the security review of the Cognate extension for Wiktionary (phab:T149082)
    • We plan to provide og:image Open Graph tags for sharing Item pages in social networks (phab:T51859)
    • Introducing a new test framework for special pages (phab:T69122)
    • Refactoring the wbeditentity API to work with the new Lexeme entity type (phab:T154288)
    • Added docs/change-op-serializations.wiki documenting how to use the wbeditentity API
    • Added a CREDITS file to the Wikibase code base, listing all authors

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Tech News: 2017-05

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

  • The OAuth management interfaces now look slightly different. [2]

Changes this week

  • ElectronPdfService will be enabled by default on Meta and German Wikipedia. This is a new way to get articles as PDF files you can download. It will come to more wikis later. [3]
  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from January 31. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from February 1. It will be on all wikis from February 2 (calendar).

Future changes

  • The Community Tech team will develop more tools to handle harassment of Wikimedia editors. The goal is to give the communities better tools to find, report and evaluate harassment. They will also work on more effective blocking tools. [4][5]
  • The Wikimedia technical community is doing a Developer Wishlist survey. Developers can propose ideas before 31 January 23:59 UTC. This is soon.

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18:45, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Wikidata question

Hi -- I've been reading the discussions at Wikipedia talk:Wikidata/2017 State of affairs, and I was hoping you could clarify something for me. (I'm not particularly knowledgeable about Wikidata; I get the concept and have made a few edits, but that's it.) You said that it wasn't true that Wikidata edits violate WP:V and WP:BLP; I can see why you say that's not the case, but I couldn't follow at what point you diverged from the point that I think was intended. As far as I can tell, the issue is that if a Wikidata data item is displayed on en, then changes to it, since they rely on whatever policies are in place on Wikidata, can be said to bypass Wikipedia policies. For example, if the first publication date of Orwell's Nineteen Eighty-Four is wrong in Wikidata, and I change an infobox to display the date from Wikidata, then the Wikipedia article text has no diffs to show what has changed in the displayed text, but the information is now wrong. That could, in theory, happen, right? So I gather the complaint is that an editor who is used to following V and RS and BLP on Wikipedia can no longer monitor compliance with those policies by watching diffs on the article. Do I have that right? Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 21:30, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

No, because you can have Wikidata edits show up in your watchlist. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:40, 29 January 2017 (UTC)
So if I want to monitor the items on Wikidata that might potentially change the way the article on Nineteen Eighty-Four displays on screen, what do I have to do? If I put the en-wiki article on my watchlist, what does that cause to show up in the wikidata items if I turn that display on? Can there be situations where a data item on Wikidata that I'm unaware of will change the way an article looks? This would be similar to the way a template can change in en without affecting my watchlist, I suppose. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 21:47, 29 January 2017 (UTC)
Preferences > Watchlist > Show Wikidata edits in your watchlist. Some templates, like {{Authority control}}, may only be visible when data is available in Wikidata. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:50, 29 January 2017 (UTC)
Yes, I knew about that and have it turned on. I guess I wasn't clear about the question I'm trying to ask (and if you don't have the time to respond, that's fine; I can get an answer elsewhere -- I'm asking you because it was apparent from the discussion that you know a lot about Wikidata). I'm trying to understand in what circumstances an article can change without an editor knowing about it, and assuming that they have Wikidata edits showing in their watchlist. The only situation I'm aware of is an edit to a templates (and those edits may or may not have anything to do with Wikidata) -- this covers the infobox situation, for example. Here's the question, rephrased: other than template edits, is it guaranteed that an article will not change in any way when Wikidata is edited without that edit appearing on an editor's watchlist? To put it the other way round: can an editor write in a reference to Wikidata in such a way that the referenced data is not included in the watchlist, perhaps because it is not seen by Wikidata as being associated with the article? Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 12:33, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
On my watchlist, I have as edit on Q42 (Douglas Adams, love the humour of whoever created this as item 42 at Wikidata!) this even though this revert happened a few minutes later. Now, in this case, that final edit reverted vandalism, so no problem there; but if the reverse had happened, I would see a beneficial edit on my watchlist, but not the reversal to a worse state made later. So no, you don't always see the most recent change on your watchlist (and you don't see Wikidata changes in the article history of course, the watchlist isn't the only way of checking for changes and vandalism). Fram (talk) 13:00, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
@Fram:: that is strange. Perhaps it is because the reverts are marked as minor edits and minor edits are not shown on the wikidata-enabled watchlist? What is your answer to this problem - show all edits or just show the most recent? Hiding minor edits seems sensible although that function could be abused. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 13:50, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
I have "show minor edits" enabled. Either Wikidata on our watchlist should respect that setting, or minor edits should be shown by default. I hav to say that I don't understand anything about how or why Wikidata changes are shown now. For [6] I get to see all changes in my watchlist, even though I normally only get the most recent ones. The edit summaries are very unclear though, I get "Removed claim: Property:P135: Q207741" instead of "‎Removed claim: movement (P135): Sturm und Drang (Q207741)" which would be a lot more informative. Fram (talk) 14:00, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
[ec] The only circumstance I can see where an article can change without a watchlist notification, is if a transcluded template changes. This is the same whether the contents of that template are entered on the template page or via Wikidata. This is orthogonal to the dishonestly of the claim cited in your original post here. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:01, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
Thanks, Andy (and Fram); I got the answer I was looking for. I'll head back to the discussion page later and see if I can suggest a rephrase of the text at issue that isn't as controversial. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 23:53, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

New Page Review - newsletter No.2

Hello Pigsonthewing,
A HUGE backlog

We now have 816 New Page Reviewers!
Most of us requested the user right at PERM, expressing a wish to be able to do something about the huge backlog, but the chart on the right does not demonstrate any changes to the pre-user-right levels of October.

Hitting 17,000 soon

The backlog is still steadily growing at a rate of 150 a day or 4,650 a month. Only 20 reviews a day by each reviewer over the next few days would bring the backlog down to a managable level and the daily input can then be processed by each reviewer doing only 2 or 3 reviews a day - that's about 5 minutes work!
It didn't work in time to relax for the Xmas/New Year holidays. Let's see if we can achieve our goal before Easter, otherwise by Thanksgiving it will be closer to 70,000.

Second set of eyes

Remember that we are the only guardians of quality of new articles, we alone have to ensure that pages are being correctly tagged by non-Reviewer patrollers and that new authors are not being bitten.

Abuse

This is even more important and extra vigilance is required considering Orangemoody, and

  1. this very recent case of paid advertising by a Reviewer resulting in a community ban.
  2. this case in January of paid advertising by a Reviewer, also resulting in a community ban.
  3. This Reviewer is indefinitely blocked for sockpuppetry.

Coordinator election

Kudpung is stepping down after 6 years as unofficial coordinator of New Page Patrolling/Reviewing. There is enough work for two people and two coords are now required. Details are at NPR Coordinators; nominate someone or nominate yourself. Date for the actual suffrage will be published later.

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Village Pump RFC

Because of your input on previous discussions, I wanted to bring your attention to a discussion I have started at the Village Pump regarding the use of foreign languages in templates. --Zackmann08 (Talk to me/What I been doing) 19:15, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-06

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Problems

  • The block log sometimes showed blocks as being much longer than they were. This has now been fixed. [7]

Changes this week

  • Wikimedia pages will now be better at showing pictures when you share them on social media. The descriptions will be different too. You can see an example of before and after. [8]
  • There are some changes to the OOjs UI. Some old functions will not work anymore or not work as they used to. This could be a breaking change. [9]
  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 7 February. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 8 February. It will be on all wikis from 9 February (calendar).

Meetings

  • You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 7 February at 20:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

  • Tidy will be replaced later this year. Instead, the HTML 5 parsing algorithm will be used to clean up bad HTML in wikitext. This will cause problems on a number of wikis. They need to be fixed first. You can see if your wiki still has something to fix here for one of the HTML problems. This list does not cover all problems. You can read about more problems. [10][11]

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19:46, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CXXX, February 2017

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Wikidata weekly summary #246

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
  • Development
    • You can now download query results as SVG images
    • When posting a link to an item to social networks and on messenger apps that show previews the previews will now be nicer and show an image. (phabricator:T51859)
    • We published the results of our research around Commons usage: How do heavy Commons users work? ...and what does that mean for structured data on Commons?
    • Setting up test system for federation (being able to use Wikidata's items and properties on Commons)
    • Setting up test system for lexemes
    • Setting up test system for improved change dispatching (sending notifications about edits on Wikidata to Wikipedia and co)
    • Doing more groundwork for lexemes
    • Working on better integration with Elastic
    • More work on Federation
    • Getting ready to deploy automated sitelinks for Wiktionary
    • Fixing a number of keyboard navigation issues based on your feedback
    • Working on the new datatype for geoshapes (phabricator:T57549)
    • Looking into linking more complicated external identifiers properly (phabricator:T151329)
    • Improved the link to the help portal on the query service (phabricator:T154993)

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Tech News: 2017-07

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

  • EventStreams is a new way to show activity on Wikimedia wikis. For now it works with the recent changes feed. It will do more things later. It will replace RCStream. Tools that use RCStream should move to EventStreams before 7 July. [12]

Problems

  • The Firefox add-on Firefogg can cause problems with the Upload Wizard. This will not be fixed, because Firefox will not support Firefogg in the future. The Upload Wizard will no longer work with Firefogg. [13]
  • Tool Labs and Wikimedia Labs databases will be under maintenance on 15 February. This will start at 17:00 (UTC) and last for about six hours. Some tools could have problems during or after this. [14]

Changes this week

  • The TwoColConflict extension is a new way to solve edit conflicts. It makes it easier to copy and paste the relevant text to the text field. It will come to Meta and German Wikipedia this week. It is already available on MediaWiki.org. It will come to more wikis later. [15]
  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 14 February. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 15 February. It will be on all wikis from 16 February (calendar).

Meetings

  • You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 14 February at 20:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

  • Page Previews will be turned on for logged-out users on the Catalan, Greek, Russian, and Italian Wikipedias in the middle of February. Page Previews shows readers a short part of a linked article when they rest their mouse pointer on the link. This is to help them understand what it is about without leaving the article they are reading. Page Previews used to be called Hovercards. It will come to more wikis later this spring. [16]
  • The Developer Wishlist is a list where developers prioritize tools they need. The voting closes at 14 February 23:59 (UTC). This process is only for developers.

Review

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