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Wikidata weekly summary #338

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
  • Development
    • Displaying Senses before Forms (phab:T208592)
    • Making quality constraints play nicer with the Query Service
    • Putting in the ground work to have quality checks run in jobs
    • Enabling arbritrary access on oldwikisource
    • Allowing configuration of the licence in .ttl output
    • Configuration of more string limits, such as URL and mono / multilingual texts
    • Moving wdqs frontend to a blubber deployment (phab:T192006)
    • Asserting a users name so they can't edit when accidently logged out (phab:T124451)
    • Showcase a termbox placeholder in the mobile frontend of m.wikidata.org (phab:T206200)

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Tech News: 2018-46

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

  • Some old mobile browsers can use the watchlist again. This has not worked for a while. These browsers are called grade C browsers. This helps for example Windows Phone 8.1 with Internet Explorer and Lumia 535 with Windows 10. [1]

Problems

  • You can choose to see edit conflicts in a two-column view. This is a beta feature. You can find it in your preferences. Users who use this view saw the edit conflict resolution page when they wanted to see a preview. This has been fixed. [2][3][4]

Changes later this week

  • Recurrent item The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 13 November. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 14 November. It will be on all wikis from 15 November (calendar).

Meetings

Future changes

  • You can use the content translation tool to translate articles. The developers are working on a new version. One of the changes will be a maintenance category. Articles where users add a lot of text from machine translation without changing it will be in that category. This is so the community can review it. The users will also have been warned before they publish the article that it has a lot of unchanged text from machine translations. [5]

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19:22, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Infobox consolidation

Hey Andy,

I was researching Wikipedia:Infobox consolidation on how best to proceed with a consolidation process and saw that you wrote that essay, so thought I'd ask you for advice. While working on Template:Infobox television episode I noticed that any updates being made to this infobox over the years (at least a year of changes I noticed) weren't added to similar television episode infoboxes (Template:Infobox Futurama episode, Template:Infobox Rome episode, Template:Infobox The Goodies episode and Template:Infobox Simpsons episode), 3 of which are wrappers of it, and 1 is a complete separate infobox that has 90%+ of the same things. Changes range from missing, and needed, params, to fixes/changes to practices and additions of new features. It seems to me like there is really no point in maintaining 5 similar infoboxes with no really valid reason (what's more is that by the same logic to keep them, countless endless others can be added for any other TV series). Would really appreciate any assistance in this matter. Thank you. --Gonnym (talk) 16:55, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

@Gonnym: Please make those points at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2018 October 27#Template:Infobox The Goodies episode, to start with. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:38, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
Thank you! Commented there. If you're interested, my initial research on this subject is here. --Gonnym (talk) 19:37, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
Goodies deleted. What is the next step? --Gonnym (talk) 15:10, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
@Gonnym: Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2018 November 4#Template:Infobox Rome episode. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:19, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
Rome done. Are the other episode ones not suitable for merging? --Gonnym (talk) 14:59, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CLI, November 2018

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Nomination of GrassBase for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article GrassBase is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/GrassBase until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. PoliceSheep99 (talk) 21:07, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

NPR Newsletter No.15 16 November 2018

Chart of the New Pages Patrol backlog for the past 6 months.

Hello Pigsonthewing,

Community Wishlist Survey – NPP needs you – Vote NOW
  • Community Wishlist Voting takes place 16 to 30 November for the Page Curation and New Pages Feed improvements, and other software requests. The NPP community is hoping for a good turnout in support of the requests to Santa for the tools we need. This is very important as we have been asking the Foundation for these upgrades for 4 years.
If this proposal does not make it into the top ten, it is likely that the tools will be given no support at all for the foreseeable future. So please put in a vote today.
We are counting on significant support not only from our own ranks, but from everyone who is concerned with maintaining a Wikipedia that is free of vandalism, promotion, flagrant financial exploitation and other pollution.
With all 650 reviewers voting for these urgently needed improvements, our requests would be unlikely to fail. See also The Signpost Special report: 'NPP: This could be heaven or this could be hell for new users – and for the reviewers', and if you are not sure what the wish list is all about, take a sneak peek at an article in this month's upcoming issue of The Signpost which unfortunately due to staff holidays and an impending US holiday will probably not be published until after voting has closed.

Go here to remove your name if you wish to opt-out of future mailings. — Insertcleverphrasehere (or here)18:37, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

ArbCom 2018 election voter message

Hello, Pigsonthewing. Voting in the 2018 Arbitration Committee elections is now open until 23.59 on Sunday, 3 December. All users who registered an account before Sunday, 28 October 2018, made at least 150 mainspace edits before Thursday, 1 November 2018 and are not currently blocked are eligible to vote. Users with alternate accounts may only vote once.

The Arbitration Committee is the panel of editors responsible for conducting the Wikipedia arbitration process. It has the authority to impose binding solutions to disputes between editors, primarily for serious conduct disputes the community has been unable to resolve. This includes the authority to impose site bans, topic bans, editing restrictions, and other measures needed to maintain our editing environment. The arbitration policy describes the Committee's roles and responsibilities in greater detail.

If you wish to participate in the 2018 election, please review the candidates and submit your choices on the voting page. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 18:42, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-47

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

  • You can vote on proposals in the Community Wishlist Survey. The survey decides what the Community Tech team will work on. You can vote until 30 November.
  • Advanced item There is an A/B test for sameAs data. This is to make it easier to find the right information with a search engine. This changes the metadata for a wiki page. It doesn't change how the page looks. [6]

Changes later this week

  • There is no new MediaWiki version this week.

Meetings

Future changes

  • The Wikimedia wikis use templates to show readers there are problems with the content on some pages. For example if there are no sources or the page needs to be rewritten. The mobile website will soon show more information when you use these templates. Some templates may need to be updated. [7]
  • The Education Program extension was removed from all Wikimedia projects. The database tables used by the extension will be archived. This will happen in a month. If you want the information on your wiki you should move it to a normal wiki page. [8]

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23:28, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #339

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
  • Other Noteworthy Stuff
    • A new tool to display Wikimedia Commons categories (and Wikipedia/Wikidata tags) with coordinates on the OSM map
    • The Association of Research Libraries published the draft of a Wikidata Task Force White Paper on how libraries and Wikidata/ Wikibase con join forces aroud linked open data for both library discovery systems and Wikipedia, and advancing a diversity and inclusion agenda in the cultures of both libraries and Wikimedia. The draft is open for public comment until 30 November.
  • Development
    • Fixed a bug that was saving the statement too early when trying to add a qualifier with the keyboard (phab:T154869)
    • Made changes to disallow edits (until the user reloads) if they accidentally get logged out. (phab:T124451)
    • Turn the new change tag back on wikidatawiki (phab:T208846)
    • Better linting against things that don't work in IE11
    • Fixed the wdqs-frontend docker image (phab:T208681, phab:T209206)
    • Fixed html elements in the table result of wdqs (phab:T207257, thanks to user:Frog23)
    • Getting ontology changes deployed to wikiba.se
    • Using maplink or mapframe to view coords on wikidata (phab:T184933)
    • Consistent capitalization of Lexeme/Form/Sense/Item/Property in UI messages
    • Make Lexemes appear in global usage of Commons files (phab:T204066)
    • Work on a new interface for the termbox on mobile (phab:T207150)

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User talk:Shock Brigade Harvester Boris

Hi Andy,

Ray Arritt obviously liked having his talk page set up the way it was; please undo your archiving of his talk page. It is likely to upset people who are still upset by his sudden death. --Floquenbeam (talk) 22:16, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Yes, please, or I would have to change links. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:28, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

People being unable to read (or edit) the talk page, or using up a significant/costly part of their mobile allowance, because it is over 400Kb will also upset them. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:42, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
It has never been a problem before, in the 10 years he's been doing it this way. Other editors have similarly long talk pages. Please do not substitute your personal preference for his, and don't use the fact that others will not want to edit war on his page to force your preference onto the page. --Floquenbeam (talk) 22:48, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
Personal preference? Force? Please AGF; and see Wikipedia:Article size#Technical issues. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 23:04, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
That page recommends sizes for articles. It does not specify a maximum size, nor does it address user talk pages. Anyway, there are hundreds of actual articles larger than that talk page. You are not addressing any of my other points: No one has complained before. He liked the page that way. It is disrespectful to change it the second he can no longer reply. His friends and family probably like it that way. If I revert your addition of an archive bot, are you going to revert back? I will not edit war on that page, so I need to know you won't revert again, before I restore the page to the way he liked it. --Floquenbeam (talk) 23:26, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
The page does indeed "recommend sizes for articles". The section to which I specifically and explicitly referred you, however, describes the technical issues caused to some readers by over-long pages, regardless of the page type. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:45, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
I would like to see the page returned to a personal statement. (Please, please, please: when I die, no archiving that I haven't done, no "deceased" template. - I try to keep my talk as if it was the last version.) I restored some bits that are absolutely needed for context, and deleted two undated ones that make no sense without context. I'd still prefer to see the whole talk return to life, - support Floq. ----Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:04, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

Astronomy infoboxes

As a bit of history, you might like to read Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Astronomy/Archive_26#Merging_infoboxes_on_individual_types_of_objects_to_Template:Infobox_astronomical_object? to see what I was thinking of in the long term. Things then got a bit sidetracked/dramatic... Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 17:18, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

@Mike Peel: Thanks. You can lead the proverbial to water... At the risk of mixing metaphors, let's see if we can eat the elephant. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:32, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

Infobox settlement - Departments of Argentina

The deoartments in Chaco Province have their own template : Template:Infobox Chaco, while others use the base template directly, e.g. : Aguirre Department. 85.179.26.146 (talk) 01:17, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

Indeed. The template's documentation points out "This template is a customized wrapper for {{Infobox settlement}}." But feel free to nominate it for deletion by substitution, if you wish. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:09, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
Template:Infobox Chaco can now be deleted. Province-specific wrappers unwanted. Standard for departments is to use Infobox settlement directly. 77.13.34.199 (talk) 18:03, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Notice of Conflict of interest noticeboard discussion

Information icon There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard regarding a possible conflict of interest incident with which you may be involved. Thank you. WikiGuruWanaB (talk) 19:10, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

Infobox settlement - redirects

Only two redirects are used in article space:

  • Infobox Settlement having around 9500 transclusions, oldest article from 2007, most recent from 2009
  • Infobox region having 2 transclusions

Could you turn the two for Infobox region into direct calls of "Infobox settlement"? As an editor one cannot see from the source code, that it is redirect, and thus one cannot know if the fields are the same. 77.14.82.245 (talk) 15:39, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

Template:Infobox region is a redirect to Template:Infobox settlement, so the call in the articles you list can be changed without fear of error. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:42, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
Exactly :-). Could you do it? The pages are semi-protected. 77.14.82.245 (talk) 15:47, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
There is zero reason to make an edit purely to replace a template redirect with the target of said redirect. Primefac (talk) 15:47, 26 November 2018 (UTC) (talk page stalker)
Fake news. 77.14.82.245 (talk) 16:12, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
I wouldn't say zero reason. I've actually had a real issue where a module function had to search the article text to get the infobox in order to get some piece of data from it (this is a simplification of the scenario and there was no other way), however instead of it being simple, I had to pass the function a list of all possible redirects that could be used so it could match them as well. While I'm sure my scenario is an edge-case, it is still a valid scenario and more-so, keeping redirects on the opposite, does have no reason to be kept other than "I like it" and people claiming "disturbance" as if one edit will do that. --Gonnym (talk) 16:58, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
Done. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:31, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-48

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

  • On wikis with translatable pages you could create a mess when you moved a page that had translatable subpages. A subpage is when you use / to create a new page: /wiki/Page/Subpage. The subpages would be moved but not the translations. The subpages are no longer automatically be moved. This is to make it safer to move pages. [9]

Changes later this week

  • The advanced search interface will be available by default on all Wikimedia wikis. It makes it easier to use some of the special search functions that most editors don't know exist. It's already active on German, Farsi, Arabic and Hungarian Wikipedia. [10]
  • Special:UnusedCategories show empty categories with no files or other categories. You can soon choose to not show soft redirect categories or some maintenance categories there. You can do this with the magic word __EXPECTUNUSEDCATEGORY__. [11]
  • Recurrent item The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 27 November. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 28 November. It will be on all wikis from 29 November (calendar).

Meetings

Future changes

  • Advanced item The mw.util.jsMessage() function was deprecated in 2012. It will be removed next week. Look for the warning Use of "mw.util.jsMessage" is deprecated in the JavaScript console to know if you use an affected script or gadget. If you are a gadget maintainer you should check if your JavaScript code contains mw.util.jsMessage. There is a migration guide. It explains how to use mw.notify instead. [12]

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22:22, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

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