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May 6

St Chad's Church, Far Headingley

Ref number 6 is in red, please fix if you can! Thank you as always. And Sorry115.70.23.77 (talk) 01:12, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

The red error message include a link to the help page: [1] which explains what the error is. You just need to remove the special character from the title. RudolfRed (talk) 01:39, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

I tried and failed - please fix if you can, sorry! 115.70.23.77 (talk) 01:45, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Readd the "title", this time without rogue characters. 126.254.160.46 (talk) 02:09, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Why is it that the only people we're told are buried in the churchyard have the surname Middleton (and don't seem notable)? 126.53.182.173 (talk) 02:17, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Members of the Middleton family are notable - should we remove this? and can reference 6 be fixed up pelase. I cannot do this and I am sorry 115.70.23.77 (talk) 03:17, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Fixed the ref issue with this edit. ayakanaa ( t · c ) 03:45, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

How is it that they're notable 126.205.243.176 (talk) 05:05, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

I'm sorry, reference 5 is in red and, sadly, I cannot fix it up. Please repair it. I will stop attempting to edit. I am not good at it. Thank you 115.70.23.77 (talk) 04:46, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Fixed with this edit. There was a typo, with 20244 as the year instead of 2024. ayakanaa ( t · c ) 05:15, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Need help for some content correction and linking of a wiki page to a correct person.

Hi, I need help for some content correction and linking of a wiki page to a correct person. I tried to do it earlier 2-3 times but by giving some reasons saying this is not correct way or some verifiable reason the page and edits were discarded. I tried to add a page Draft:Satish Kumar (scientist) and made a correction of a Padma awards list as it was linked to wrong person. But it was discarded. Kindly help me on this. Govne (talk) 06:02, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Govne, you are the creator and the most recent adder of material to Draft:Satish Kumar (scientist). This still has very little content; what part of it needs correction that you can't do? What do you mean here by "linking a wiki page to a correct person"? Where did you "[give] some reasons"? (You have provided no edit summaries. Back in February, you did write something on Draft talk:Satish Kumar (scientist), but I don't understand it.) And currently the draft says that this fellow is an "Indian scientist" but fails even to say whether he's a physicist, a chemist, or whatever. -- Hoary (talk) 06:22, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Article

I wrote an article on Concordium and clicked publish and it's been 3 days nothing happens, when will there be a reply ? MrViktorgr (talk) 06:18, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

In that context, "Publish" means "publish this as part of Wikipedia for people who know where to find it". If you want User:MrViktorgr/sandbox published as an article, first you have to make clear your relationship to this, and I quote, privacy-centric, public and permissionless blockchain based on proof_of_stake mechanism to ensure resource-efficient operation of the network along with enhanced security among participants. (Carefully read Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure.) And once you've made your disclosure, you have to make considerable improvements to User:MrViktorgr/sandbox, which currently reads like corporate advertising, and has no doubt amiably intended but unfortunately incompetent referencing. Eventually, if/when it's a decent draft, you submit it for consideration for promotion to article status. But that's a long way off. -- Hoary (talk) 06:31, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

MrViktorgr, the current version of your draft bears little resemblance to an actual, neutrally written, well referenced encyclopedia article. It cannot possibly be accepted without a total rewrite. Cullen328 (talk) 06:41, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Please note that Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources.

Writing a Wikipedia article starts with finding several sources that meet those criteria (see WP:42 for more detail), and then, if you can find them, continues by forgetting everything that you know about the subject, and writing a neutral summary of what those independent sources say. ColinFine (talk) 20:13, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

About Aranamanai 4 Article

Hi, In the Article Aranmanai 4 there are some wrong informations updated. mr.sb.ramdoss is not a co-writer. He is just a seco d unit director. Also The Film Aranmani 4 is a Blockbuster hit film world wide, which is not mentioned. And, negative reviews are highlighted and positive reviews are ignored. I request yoi to consider these changes in the article Aranamanai 4.

Thank You. 27.4.7.70 (talk) 06:47, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

The place to make suggestions and requests for the article Aranmanai 4 is Talk:Aranmanai 4. Be sure to cite reliable sources. -- Hoary (talk) 06:57, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Why can't the Visual Editor be used in the Wikipedia namespace?

I find it easier to use compared to the source editor, and I use it almost everywhere, but why can't it be used in the Wikipedia namespace? Félix An (talk) 07:02, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

@Félix An: Many pages in the Wikipedia namespace are used for discussions and VisualEditor is not well suited for that. You can still use it. It's only the normal interface links which have been removed. You can start a source edit and manually change action=edit to veaction=edit in the url, or install User:Novem Linguae/Scripts/VisualEditorEverywhere. PrimeHunter (talk) 08:16, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

St George's Church, Leeds

In the "Key dates" section - in 2021 - please put italics on the newspaper "Rothwelll Times". I cannot work out how to do this on my old device. Thank you. Srbernadette (talk) 07:37, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi Srbernadette. To put text in italics, you can put two apostrophes either side of the text, i.e. ''Rothwell Times''. I'll leave that for you to do. -- D'n'B-t -- 07:48, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

What D'n'B says. Note that although a pair of apostrophes '' looks like a single double quotation mark ", the latter will not work for this purpose. Also, do not use a word processor for editing, as "curly" (also called "typographic") apostrophes won't work either. Incidentally, Srbernadette, this "old device" of yours fascinates me. What is it? -- Hoary (talk) 07:54, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

My device is a "Macbook Air". I have fixed up the italics issue - thank you again. Srbernadette (talk) 08:23, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Srbernadette. You seem to continually have issues editing Wikipedia, such as regularly formatting dates as 20244 instead of 2024. Is this a case of you not being careful enough when making edits? It has happened so often I find it hard to understand how you keep making the same mistakes over and over and over again.

How can we help you get better at editing Wikipedia, as it is becoming somewhat tiresome when you continually make these basic errors and then come to the Help Desk and expect us volunteers to fix it for you.

Perhaps you need to print out a cheatsheet or affix a post it note to your computer?

Do you have suggestions on how you can improve your editing skills? Qcne (talk) 10:54, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Srbernadette, the oldest Macbook Airs are now 16, and computers that old can be iffy. If the key that should work for the single quotation mark doesn't work well, you might look into replacing the keyboard. The "E" key (of course a particularly important key for various languages) of a Lenovo ThinkPad of mine suddenly came to require repeated pounding in order to work at all; and I briefly had nightmares about the need to pay out for and properly set up a replacement computer. But a replacement keyboard was easy to find, cost much less than I'd imagined, and was no problem to install. I got three or four more years of carefree use out of that computer, before its internal power supply expired and I had to replace it with the computer at which I am now typing. -- Hoary (talk) 23:11, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Preferred method to link to foreign language WP

I am expanding an English article about a French actress, including a list of appearances in French films with French directors, for most of which there are articles in French WP but not in English. I'd like to include links to the French articles. Which option is preferred for linking a list to French WP:

(1) {{ill|Article title|fr}} template. This gives a list with a lot of red links, e.g. Les Moyens du bord

(2) [[:fr:Article title]], which shows blue links, e.g. fr:Les Moyens du bord

The second is more aesthetically pleasing, giving more blue and less red, but H:FOREIGNLINK says the first is best practice. Masato.harada (talk) 08:59, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Your aesthetic judgment is your own, but the reason the first is the best practice is that it is less of a surprise to the user what they are clicking on. It is poor practice to link easter egg terms where it is not clear what they are going to link to. So, to answer your question of "what is the preferred method": it is in fact what the help page has stated to be the preferred method. Remsense诉 09:04, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

{{ill|Article title|fr}} is also preferred because it automatically omits the fr link if an English article is created. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:29, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Template:Interlanguage link is the right choice. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:34, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Incorrect definition

I want to let you be aware that when someone searches the word lewd, it goes to lascivious behavior...the correct definition lewd (adj) is inappropriate behavior....there is nothing sexual or sexual in nature to the word lewd. When you look into n most dictionaries there is an antonym used to show an example of something that is considered to be lewd, and they use the word LASCIVIOUS. This is only an example of something that may be considered inappropriate behavior. Please address and correct this as it is completely MIS-EDUCATING society, thank you 192.198.31.98 (talk) 11:09, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Like many words in the English Language, 'lewd' can have a range of meanings, and which is most common has changed over time. Currently it is most often used in meanings related to lascivious behavior, so in Wikipedia that is what a search on it redirects to. For example, the fairly extensive (1,690-page) Collins English Dictionary (1979) has the following entry (in full):

"lewd (lu:d) adj. 1. characterised by or intended to excite crude sexual desire; obscene. 2. Obsolete. a. wicked b. ignorant. [C14 from Old English lǣwde lay, ignorant; see LAY³] — 'lewd+ly adv. — 'lewd+ness n."

Remember that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a dictionary. For a more comprehensive reference to any word's past and present meanings, a dictionary is more appropriate: if you want to use an online one akin to Wikipedia, try Wiktionary, whose entry for 'lewd' is here. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 188.220.175.176 (talk) 11:48, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

The idea of a "correct definition" isn't really considered by Wikipedia which prefers common useage, Wikitionary (which prefers attestation) or as far as I'm aware, most profesional lexicographers who wouldn't consider it to be a meaningful concept. -- D'n'B-t -- 15:33, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Publication request

Hello, I would like to publish my company's page on wikipedia. What is the method for doing this? Thanks Matteone17 (talk) 13:22, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

You should not do this - see WP:PAID and WP:COI. If your company is notable, a volunteer will get around to writing the page. Wikipedia is not a platform for you to promote your company on. Girth Summit _(blether) 13:40, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

@Matteone17 Wikipedia is not a directory of companies. Qcne (talk) 14:09, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Sandbox coach

Is someone assigned by default as a sandbox coach for me? I would like a capable person to clean up some edits I am preparing for the USAF Thunderbirds Diamond Crash page so I can just upload one change from my sandbox and it will look near perfect in one shot Cresterest (talk) 18:19, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

We don't really have the concept of a "sandbox coach". I suggest you post on the article's talk page, saying that you are proposing an edit that you have prepared in your sandbox, and wikilinking your sandbox. ColinFine (talk) 20:16, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

You say look near perfect in one shot. If you mean "one big edit covering five separate sub-topics", please don't. Instead use five small edits each covering just one sub-topic. Editing is a co-operative venture, best done in small, well-focussed edits, with the content of one sub-topic not being confused and burdened with unrelated edits about a different sub-topic. Feline Hymnic (talk) 22:12, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

How to report pornographic links edited into articles?

Search on lyrics to Charlie Brown song "Why's Everybody Always Pickin' on Me?" Hover over links like "Beaver" and "Ivana Getchuharde" to see pornographic material not appropriate to the subject. (Adult genitalia in state of arousal.) Note: Good to know that Wikipedia covers porn appropriately, Kudos and thank you. But the above site is appropriate for children and has probably been maliciously edited. Posted here because no information how to report this. 76.53.131.250 (talk) 21:45, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Vandalism from this edit 1 January 2008.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 21:55, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Stop receiving "Your edit was published" notification

Ahoy! Anyone know if it's possible to stop receiving the "Your edit was published" notification? Cheers, Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 21:45, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

I don't think so. I find it irksome, too, since a lot of my edits are adding coordinates to articles and that damn thing pops up to obscure the coordinates when I save the edit. I have to wait for it to go away to make sure that I haven't committed some stupid error. Deor (talk) 00:40, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Hmmm, maybe that's something to propose at Village Pump, is it not? Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 10:01, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

@Cocobb8 and Deor: See WP:Your edit was published. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:38, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks a bunch @PrimeHunter. Thoughts on proposing this to be added as an option under settings? Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 13:01, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

@Cocobb8: I don't think it's significant enough for settings. Maybe Wikipedia:User scripts/List. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:50, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

@Deor You can can click it to make it go away NW1223<Howl at me•My hunts> 13:13, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Claude Cormier and primary sources

I recently noticed that Claude Cormier is marked as relying too much on primary sources, so I replaced a citation of an interview with him and a page from his company's website with an obituary about Cormier from Canadian Architect. However, after reading WP:PRIMARY, I am starting to wonder if I actually if did reduce the article's reliance on primary sources. Would an obituary count as a primary source with regards to Cormier's life? Still-Can't-Believe-It's-Not-Butter (talk) 23:09, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Still-Can't-Believe-It's-Not-Butter. A staff written obituary published in a reliable source is an independent, secondary source. Your edit was an improvement. Cullen328 (talk) 01:57, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the clarification. Looking back at it, I think I just overthought it; I assumed the various obituaries counted as breaking news and were thus considered primary sources. Your response is much appreciated in this regard. Still-Can't-Believe-It's-Not-Butter (talk) 22:52, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Cliff Hanley

I recently added numerous updates to my father's page. They are no longer visible. This was a large amount of work by his family,. How can we have it returned? Joburley (talk) 23:21, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

First you need to formally declare your conflict of interest. Please click the link for instructions.

The edits were removed as a copyright violation. You cannot simply use content from elsewhere. It must be summarized and cited. 331dot (talk) 23:31, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Additionally, Joburley, an editor must not "editorialize". If some "reliable source" has termed a book a "classic", then this opinion may be attributed to that source ("called a 'classic' in the review in The Listener", etc; of course with a reference); but just because you or I happen to think it's a classic, neither of us may write this. And indeed you should not be adding anything to the article, instead making suggestions and requests in Talk:Cliff Hanley. -- Hoary (talk) 01:39, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

May 7

How do I request Google to re-crawl a Wikipedia article?

I changed an article, but a day later, the old version still shows in the Google Search infobox. How do I request Google to re-crawl it? Félix An (talk) 03:41, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi Félix An. Since Google isn't operated by the Wikimedia Foundation, I don't there's really much that anyone can do to help you here with something like this. You might just have to either try to contact Google directly or wait a bit longer to see whether Google eventually catches up to Wikipedia. In addition, if the article you're referring to is Lee Man-hee, you might want to be a bit more WP:CAUTIOUS with your edits because changing the content "religious leader" to "cult leader" as you did seems like a potential WP:BLP violation unless you can strongly back up such a claim with some really solid reliable sources. Furthermore, you seem to have more than a casual interest in the subject matter based upon WP:NPOVN#Lee Man-hee, which might also be another reason to be CAUTIOUS. Please remember that Wikipedia isn't really the place to WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:18, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the reminder. I have cited a WP:RS (New York Times) that was cited on the main article for Shincheonji. It would be important to state that Shincheonji is a cult, since as the main article states, citing NYT, "It is considered a pseudoreligion or cult by mainstream churches". Thus, the view that Shincheonji is a legitimate denomination of Christianity would be considered a WP:FRINGE viewpoint. I'm not trying to WP:RGW, but there were legitimately WP:SPA accounts making COI edits to the aforementioned article in his defense. Félix An (talk) 05:36, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

The article I was referring to was actually the one about emailSanta, since I asked Google to clear their cache, and it hasn't been re-indexed yet, so the Google infobox doesn't show up for that article. Félix An (talk) 05:38, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

This might provide the information you are looking for ... might --> https://developers.google.com/search/docs/crawling-indexing/ask-google-to-recrawl . User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 04:25, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Haha. Not possible at the scale of Wikipedia. Just let Google pick it up naturally. – robertsky (talk) 05:41, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Did someone say, "contact Google directly"??? Uporządnicki (talk) 12:01, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Deletion of X# (XSharp) topic

I see that the topic and references to the X# (XSharp) XBase development language have been deleted. Why was that done? This language is very much alive. RobertvanderHulst (talk) 06:12, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi RobertvanderHulst. The article XSharp was deleted per the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/XSharp (2nd nomination). If after reading through that discussion, you feel an error was made, you can ask the administrator who deleted the discussion for clarification by posting a message on their user talk page. The administrator's name is Liz. Just for reference, the article was also deleted more than 10 years ago per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/XSharp as well, but apparently got re-created at some point. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:35, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

The deletion in 2009 did not have anything to do with the current XSharp page: we started this project in 2015. 185.238.130.61 (talk) 17:04, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

The article XSharp, RobertvanderHulst, was most recently nominated for deletion as recently as April 2024 (and deleted in May 2024), as can be seen in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/XSharp (2nd nomination). If the article deleted in 2009 was irrelevant to that deleted just this month (and I neither have checked this nor intend to do so), no matter. -- Hoary (talk) 00:47, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

I am not familiar with the workings of Wikipedia.

What should I do to "undo" the deletion of the page? RobertvanderHulst (talk) 06:34, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

You can't undo the deletion of the page yourself. You can, however, seek further clarification as to why the page was deleted by discussing things with the administrator who closed the deletion discussion. If after discussing things with said administrator you still feel that the deletion of the article was not justified, you can request a Wikipedia:Deletion review. However, such reviews usually require some substantially new significant development showing that a mistake was made and that the subject really is Wikipedia:Notable for a deleted article to be restored. So, you should be prepared to make such a case if you want to avoid your request being summarily declined. Before you do any of this, however, you might want to carefully read through the "Wikipedia Notable" guideline page I linked to above, try to step outside of yourself and really objectively assess whether the subject matter meets the relevant guideline. This might be hard to do if you're somehow connected personally or professionally with the subject matter, but you have zero chance of having the article being restored if you're unable to clearly establish a credible claim of Wikipedia notability. If your self-assessment fails to clearly establish such a claim, there are WP:ALTERNATIVEs that might be more suited for hosting content about this subject matter. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:50, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Why was it deleted, RobertvanderHulst? The AfD nomination reads: "This programming language does not have enough WP:SIGCOV in WP:RS to meet WP:GNG" -- which of course looks like alphabet soup but means that the subject doesn't have enough "significant" coverage (as opposed to mere mentions, etc) in reliable sources (which must be independent of the subject) to be "notable", as this term is defined hereabouts. (NB This has nothing to do with the quality of the subject. Few would argue that "Fyre Festival" wasn't a crappy non-event, but its very crappiness got significant coverage.) The deleted article came with three references: "XSharp Home web site", "XSharp extension for Visual Studio (Microsoft Visual Studio Marketplace", and "Open Source X Sharp repo source code on GitHub". For "notability" purposes, that's a feeble collection indeed. -- Hoary (talk) 07:57, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Follow-up Drafts Reviews.

Hi,

I simply want to know where I can find information about the status of my drafts. It's been three months since I submitted them for review. Thank you!

Erin Erin1313 (talk) 09:01, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Erin1313 You just need to view your drafts; Draft:Erin Simpson is submitted and pending. As noted on the draft, it may take some time for a review due to a backlog, please be patient. You will get a message on your user talk page when action is taken on your draft. 331dot (talk) 09:03, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! :) Erin1313 (talk) 00:41, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

@Erin1313 why did you re-submit your draft after I declined it? You didn't add a single new citation that proves notability. I have declined it again. Qcne (talk) 08:40, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

@Erin1313 I have had a look at the draft and I am afraid your sources do not show you are notable under WP:NENTERTAINER or WP:NPEOPLE. Your sources are:

1. An interview, cannot be used to establish notability.
2. An interview/engagement piece which doesn't establish notability.
3. An interview/baby piece, which doesn't establish notability.
4. A simple listing, which doesn't establish notability.
5. An interview, cannot be used to establish notability.
6. An interview, cannot be used to establish notability.
7. A Primary source, cannot be used to establish notability.

Qcne (talk) 09:07, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

I will also draw your attention to Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Erin_Simpson from several years ago - nothing much seems to have changed since then I am afraid. Qcne (talk) 09:08, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia listing of biography

Dear Friends

I wish to enlist my fathers biography in wiki as he is quite renowned name in administrative and political circle and have contributed to the development of country in earlier phase.

How can I have help from wiki on this and what all documents I need to share to check his eligibility Bhismak1962 (talk) 11:03, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

WP:NBIO will apply in this case. Generally there will need to be multiple in-depth coverage of your father from sources that are reliable and independent from him. Avoid using WP:ROUTINE coverag such as announcements of your father being appointed to certain roles. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 12:09, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

You already started, in your user page: the wrong place for it. I've moved this to User:Bhismak1962/sandbox. -- Hoary (talk) 12:16, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

This also sounds like a case where a conflict of interest may occur, regardless of whether you are paid to edit the article. Generally, you should avoid editing or creating articles where you are involved in some way. See also An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 12:18, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Angelita C. et al. v. California Department of Pesticide Regulation

I have two questions about errors on this article.

1. Short description with empty Wikidata description -- there is only one wikidata, yes? I am getting sent to a translated page, but I think that is irrelevant. And not all that unreasonable, since I have had a French language browser on here. But. Here is the question: My edit history over there says I created (Q125816523) and I did this in English. Am I just waiting for some sort of pending changes review? My edit count over there is pretty low. Or is this a Wikidata helpdesk question?

1. CS1 maint: date and year -- What is this complaining about? One of the references had both a date and a year because the SFN template wasn't working and this turned out to be over a non-standard date format. Mar/Apr2012 or something like that. The sfn documentation said it was ok to use both a year and a date, but Wikipedia documentation says a lot of things. But. I found the same article (Huang) in another place with a standard date, and the sfn works now. I realize I could edit my javascript to display the error but I would rather not right now. Can any of you tell me what that is all about?

Thank you for any brainpower applied to these problems. Elinruby (talk) 11:20, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

I think I am fumbling my way through the wikidata problem. Would still like an answer about the date error if anybody has one, thanks Elinruby (talk) 11:57, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Don't use both "date=" and "year=". (If you really need to express such facts as that your source is the "2003" issue of whatever and that it was actually issued in November 2002, then do this in some other way, e.g. by making sure that "2003" appears within the title.) -- Hoary (talk) 12:12, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

@Elinruby: date and year is in: {{cite journal|last1=Pelley |first1=Janet |title=Methyl iodide, a fumigant under fire: The Bush administration's approval of the pesticide is on trial in California's external scientific review. |url=https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/es9023095 |journal=Environ. Sci. Technol. |year=2009 |volume= 43 |issue=18 |date=4 August 2009 |doi=10.1021/es9023095 |publisher=American Chemical Society}}

The source says "Published online 4 August 2009" and "Published in issue 15 September 2009". I think you should stick to year when issue=18 is given. Category:Short description with empty Wikidata description is not an error but just information you are free to ignore. A Wikidata description is not mandatory. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:25, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Aha I am looking at the wrong reference, thank you. So the secret is view source? Anyway, I am going away a happy camper and will consider this confirmation that the documentation page is out of date or something. Appreciated, all. Elinruby (talk) 12:32, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

@Elinruby: Category:CS1 maint: date and year has code you can place in your CSS to see "CS1 maint: date and year" at the reference:

.mw-parser-output span.cs1-maint {display: inline;} /* display Citation Style 1 maintenance messages */

It's also possible to view the html source with your browser and search for the text. Or copy the wikitext to Special:ExpandTemplates and search the result field. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:31, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you all. Elinruby (talk) 21:43, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

person profile to be added

good day. What is the process if i would like to add someone's profile /history to this Wikipedia Bernadetteburrell (talk) 13:33, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Bernadetteburrell We don't have profiles here, we have articles. Your question would be similar to asking "what is the process for giving a violin concert at Carnegie Hall?" It takes a significant amount of knowledge and practice; while it is possible to dive right in, many who do this often end up frustrated and angry as work they spent hours on has things happen to it that they don't understand. I don't want you to have bad feelings here. I highly recommend that you first do things like edit existing articles in areas that interest you, to get a feel for how Wikipedia operates and what is expected of article content. Using the new user tutorial is a good idea as well.

If you still want to attempt to write a new article now, you should first spend time gathering independent reliable sources with significant coverage of the person you want to write about(not interviews, brief mentions, or mere coverage of their activities) that you can summarize in an article. You should also read Your First Article. You may then use the Article Wizard to create and submit a draft for review. 331dot (talk) 13:38, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Captcha

I literally am typing the correct word but it says I'm not. LemonadeGirlll (talk) 16:56, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

@LemonadeGirlll: We can't really help you fill in the CAPTCHA. However, we might be able to help if you tell us exactly what you were trying to change, and it's possible someone would make the change on your behalf, if you'd like. Tollens (talk) 17:24, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

In my experience, when Wikipedia presents me with a captcha and I get it right, it acts as if I'd got it wrong and presents me with another one. But I can ignore that and just carry on to the thing I was trying to access. Maproom (talk) 17:58, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Blue background for some history entries

Hi. What is the meaning of the 'alice blue'-like color background in the revision history here, for the two most recent edits? First I was thinking pending changes, that maybe someone forgot to add the lock icon, but I don't see any pending changes being added in the article history. Thanks. --62.166.252.25 (talk) 17:06, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

I think what you're seeing is the revisions selected for comparison via the "Compare selected revisions" button at the top of the history page. If you click one of the round buttons next to the (cur | prev) on each entry, the highlight should move to that entry to denote that it is selected. Tollens (talk) 17:22, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Ah yes, of course. --62.166.252.25 (talk) 18:59, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Need help with the "Sanitized CSS"

I'm trying to create a styles.css here; But, when trying to use it here I'm Geeting this error. Please help me with it. 𝓥𝓮𝓼𝓽𝓻𝓲𝓪𝓷24𝓑𝓲𝓸 (ᴛᴀʟᴋ) 17:15, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

@Vestrian24Bio: An administrator or template editor will need to change the content model of the page for you. If nobody does so within an hour or two (someone will probably see this here), feel free to add {{Edit template-protected}} to the talk page of that CSS page along with a request that the content model be changed to Sanitized CSS. Tollens (talk) 17:32, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

That should actually be {{edit interface-protected}}. Only WP:INTADMINs can change the content model of another user's (unsanitized) CSS page. You can also avoid this hassle by first creating the page as a subpage of Template:TemplateStyles sandbox/Vestrian24Bio/, then moving it to your userspace. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 17:53, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Oh, of course. Not sure how I forgot that admins can't edit user CSS. Thanks also for the pointer to creating the page in template-space, meant to include that in my original reply. Tollens (talk) 18:06, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you both for your guidance 🤗. 𝓥𝓮𝓼𝓽𝓻𝓲𝓪𝓷24𝓑𝓲𝓸 (ᴛᴀʟᴋ) 06:01, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

My contributions are removed but they are correct

Hello,

My contributions are correct as i was a producer and remixer for the band under a remix name ( I have a disk on my wall at home from the record company). I added my details to the page but it keeps getting reverted and i have no idea why, could you explain please?

Thank you. Deavall (talk) 17:46, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

The article appears to be I Want Your Love (Atomic Kitten song) and based on the username, you have added yourself as "Lee Deavall - Monolith Mix production, Q's Detonator production". This may well be true, but it needs a reliable source.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 18:04, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Deavall, you added your name to the Lymm#Notable_people section. But the word "notable", when used here, means "having a Wikipedia article about them". You are not notable in that sense, so your name was removed. Maproom (talk) 18:06, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

ok, thank you for clarification. 86.154.176.76 (talk) 18:17, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Louis Adamic

Louis Adamic died in Milford, not in Riegelsville (as you can see in his grave https://images.findagrave.com/photos/2007/192/6879688_118429111663.jpg). Can you change this information? 151.68.244.129 (talk) 18:56, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

The place of his death appears to be cited to a reliable source (though I haven't looked at the source mtyself, since it's behind a paywall). If you want to challenge that, you need to adduce an equally reliable source, which Findagrave is not (see WP:RSP#Find a Grave). If you have such a source, please open a discussion on the article's talk page, and try to reach consensus. ColinFine (talk) 19:53, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

@ColinFine but the epigraph in his grave is reliable. 151.68.244.129 (talk) 19:55, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Well, then it's up to you to argue that on the article's talk page. See WP:BRD. ColinFine (talk) 20:36, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

How do I create a totally new page?

There are already companies with dedicated pages that operate in the same space as the one I want to contribute (see: Sila Nanotech) but the company where I am involved, that is actually ahead in commercialization, Group14 Technologies, has no presence on Wikipedia today. I can easily use the Sila page as a template so that users can have a handy way to compare the two. Memphremagog (talk) 20:15, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

You can use the general structure of Sila Nanotechnologies as a starting point for your article, but as you have an inherent conflict of interest with Group14 as someone "involved" with the company my best advice is to write a draft and submit it through Articles for Creation. Reconrabbit 20:23, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

I'm afraid that I'm to disagree to some extent with ReconRabbit, though I agree with their final suggestion.

My point is that the "general structure" is not relevant until you have laid the groundwork by finding the required independent substantial sources to establish that the company meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability. Talking about the structure at this stage is like thinking about the layout of a house you want to build when you have not surveyed the site to make sure it's fit to build on, or checked local building regulations.

I always advise new editors to not even think about creating a new article until they have spent several months learning about Wikipedia by making improvements to existing articles. Once they have an understanding of such fundamental concepts as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable sources and notability, then they can read your first article, and will have a possibility of creating an acceptable draft.

This is in addition to the extra complication of trying to create an article about a subject where you have a conflict of interest: this is not forbidden, but it is likely to be even harder and more frustrating.

You will need to bear in mind that Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources. , and that absolutely nothing from your personal knowledge should go in the article unless it can be cited to a reliable published source - and, in most cases, to a source unconnected with the company. ColinFine (talk) 20:49, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Updating a symbol used in an infobox

Hello, helpers! I have been tasked with updating an outdated logo icon that's used in the infobox on the right side of the Union Station page (among many other places). Looking at the infobox's coding, it merely says "symbol = Metrolink," but I don't know how to update that "symbol" to mean the new Wikimedia commons file uploaded as opposed to the current one. Can anyone help? Metrolinktrains2022 (talk) 21:00, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Are you employed by Metrolink? If so, you will need to make the Terms of Use required paid editing disclosure.

You should also change your username to be more individualistic; you may do this via Special:GlobalRenameRequest or WP:CHUS.

Logos aren't typically uploaded to Commons, as doing so means that you are making it available for anyone to use for any purpose with attribution. Logos are typically uploaded to this Wikipedia locally under "fair use" rules. You also claim that you personally created the logo. If you didn't, and if you don't want to make it available like that, you will need to request its deletion from Commons. 331dot (talk) 21:05, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much for your answers. I really have absolutely no idea what I'm doing.

I have added the paid editing disclosure. I'll request the username change.

I looked at Wikimedia Commons and saw that previously a handful of logos had been uploaded. I'll make the request to delete what I've added and see how to upload it properly.

Once it's all sorted, do you know how to change that symbol label? Metrolinktrains2022 (talk) 21:16, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

We all didn't know what we were doing when we started here. Don't worry, and thanks for working with us. 331dot (talk) 21:36, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Username rebrand successful! Trainsyaytrains (talk) 22:07, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

The best thing to do, once you have changed your user name and made the mandatory declaration of your status a a paid editor, is to post an edit request on the article's talk page, asking that somebody uninvolved update the logo with the one you've uploaded. (Note that this is not straightforward: Template:Rail-interchange says The template maps f (where, how) → to brand, link, icon(s) allowing the whole of Wikipedia to be easily updated when a transport network switches operator, changes name or updates their logo, but I'm not sure where this happens.

@331dot: C:File:Metrolink icon.svg claims that the relevant laws put the icon in the public domain. If this is correct, then Commons is the right place to upload it. ColinFine (talk) 21:17, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, Colin! I really appreciate your time explaining. Metrolinktrains2022 (talk) 21:26, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi Metrolinktrains2022. In addition to information provided above by 331dot and ColinFine, that particular logo appears to be being displayed in infobox of the "Union Station" article via the template {{Infobox station}}; in other words, the file in question isn't directly found in the article itself, but it's be transcluded into the article via the template. So, to change the file, you will need to find where it has been in the template's documentation and then change it there. It looks like the file has been added to the infobox template via the templates Template:Rail-interchange and Template:Rail-interchange/doc/US#California. Since there are lots of moving parts and multiple templates involved, it would probably not be a good idea for you to try to update things yourself because you could make a mistake that would impact lots of other articles. Moreover, the "interchange" template is protected to prevent any such mistakes which means only certain users can edit it. So, you might want to ask for assistance with this at Template talk:Rail-interchange or Wikipedia:WikiProject Trains. Another thing to keep in mind is that non-free content (i.e. the "fair use" referred to above by 331dot) can't be used in this way (i.e. transclusion into articles via templates); so, whether the logo being used in the templates can be updated largely depends on the copyright licensing of the file you upload. If you're not sure what that might be, you can ask for help at Wikipedia:Media copyright questions or c:Commons:Village pump/copyright. Just make sure to provide a link to where the logo can be seen online to help others assess it. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:34, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Very informative! And I agree--I probably should not attempt to do this myself with my rusty 2009-era Wikipedia editing knowledge (lol). Thank you so much! Metrolinktrains2022 (talk) 21:45, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for that, Colin. 331dot (talk) 21:36, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

The logo can be updated in the code of Template:Rail-interchange which currently includes File:Metrolink icon.svg. Users without the required right can click the "View source" tab and "Submit an edit request" button. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:53, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Submitted. Thank you, PrimeHunter! Trainsyaytrains (talk) 22:06, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi again Trainsyaytrains. Are you also c:User:Metrolinktrains? If you are, then there's a slight problem with the licensing you've chosen for File:Metrolink Icon 2022.png that you should address. The {{cc-zero}} license you chose states that you are the copyright holder of the logo, but this seems unlikley given everything you posted above unless "you" means "Metrolink (California)" in the sense that you've been granted the legal authority by Metrolink to represent them in matters related to intellectual property rights. Just being an employee of the company, for example, doesn't mean the company has authorized you to represent it in such matters; so, this logo is most likely not your "own work" and you can't license it as such. Another problems is that the logo itself seems to be way too simple under US copyright law to even be eligible for copyright protection; so, even if this was your "own work", there's nothing there that you could claim copyright ownership over. There are various reasons why something might be considered to be within the public domain; so, while your licensing choose isn't correct so to speak, it's a mistake that can easily be remedied by changing the licensing from "cc-zero" to {{PD-shape}} or {{PD-logo}}. You should then correct the file's description to change the |author= parameter to "Metrolink" and the |source= parameter to an official Metrolink website showing the logo being used. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:26, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

That last part "it's a mistake that can easily be remedied by changing the licensing from "cc-zero" to {{PD-shape}} or {{PD-logo}}. You should then correct the file's description to change the |author= parameter to "Metrolink" and the |source= parameter to an official Metrolink website showing the logo being used." --- I am so unfamiliar with where and how to do this, but as soon as I get unblocked, I will attempt. Thank you for this explanation! Trainsyaytrains (talk) 17:11, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Install RedWarn in PT wiki is possible

I use TwinkleGlobl, Warnings and reversion and Fastbuttons to combat vandals. So this possible to install RedWarn in PT Wiki? Vitorperrut555 (talk) 22:05, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

@Vitorperrut555 It'd be best to ask directly on that other wiki, this help desk is for questions relating to the English Wikipedia. Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 22:12, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

@Cocobb8 Ohhhh.... Vitorperrut555 (talk) 22:15, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

May 8

Middleton family

Reference 191 is in the red, I cannot fix it. please repair if you are able to. Thank you 115.70.23.77 (talk) 01:41, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Add the journal in the parameter that's being mentioned. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:09, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

I tried and failed - please assist and I am sorry, again. Thanks 115.70.23.77 (talk) 02:10, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Why couldn't you fix it? Did you click on the "help" link in the error message that took you to Help:CS1 errors#missing_periodical. The message is now gone since the problem has been fixed, but, for reference, the template {{cite journal}} (aka {{cite magazine}}) needs to have the name of the "journal" being cited included in the citation syntax so that the |journal= parameter isn't left incomplete, which is what caused the error: the software is searching for the name of the journal but can't find it. It looks like the title of the publication cited is "Publications of the Thoresby Society, Second Series, Vol. 24 (Miscellany), 2013" or more specfically written in the syntax for that particular template as |journal=Publications of the Thoresby Society, |series=Second, |volume=24 (Miscellany) and |year=2013. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:21, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

I'm sorry - references 198 and 200 are from the same source - I have failed trying to do the "doubling up" thing - can you please do this. I will go to bed now. Sorry. 115.70.23.77 (talk) 03:46, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Please read Wikipedia:NAMEDREF thoroughly. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:01, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

@IP 115.70.23.77. You seem to regularly posting at the Help Desk asking questions like this and the one directly above this thread. Your account has also been off and on since 2019. While nobody is expecting to be an expert in all things Wikipedia, by now you should be fairly familair with the basics of how to cite sources and how to find information on your own when you run into problems citing sources. Assuming that you're the same person asking all of these questions, you might improve your understanding of how citations and other things Wikipedia work if you stopped using the Help Desk as a crutch and instead tried to figure these things out for yourself. There are several examples in the Middleton family article in which the same source is being cited multiple times. Looking at the source code for those citations should help you figure out what you need to do. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:01, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Tenryuu, Marchjuly: please be more tolerant. Different people have different skills. I can add two two-digit numbers in my head; some can't, and will never be able to. Some can recognise the interval between two musical pitches; I can't, and will never be able to. The OP has long shown that she cannot follow WP's instructions for giving valid citations, and I doubt she will ever be able to. Badgering her about it is not helpful. (She also has what seems to me an inexplicable interest in relatives by marriage of the UK royal family; but it's no less explicable than the intrerest in sportspeople shown by many WP contributors.) She is always polite and coherent in her requests. Maproom (talk) 06:49, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

I feel I'm being sufficiently tolerant. For sure, there's a learning curve to Wikipedia and I'm perfectly happy to help those having difficulty much in the same way I was helped when I first started editing. At some point, though, the training wheels need to come off and no longer newbies need to stop being treated as such regardless of how polite and coherent their requests are. Anyway, your The OP has long shown that she cannot follow WP's instructions for giving valid citations, and I doubt she will ever be able to. pretty much describes the situation to a "T" so there's not really anything more that needs to be said. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:08, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

We pass featured articles with invalid references, several of our admins can't get the hang of referencing systems like sfn or harvp, so why not have a go at them? If you don't want to help, then don't help. Don't attack someone who asks for help. It just makes you look shoddy and mean. DuncanHill (talk) 08:03, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

DuncanHill, does any of the admins who can't get the hang of this or that referencing system repeatedly make the same requests for fixing their own botched attempts to use it? And in this thread I see no attacks by Marchjuly or anyone else. -- Hoary (talk) 08:14, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

@Hoary: No, they don't come here to ask for help because they don't bother to check if their edits were correct, so they never realise how incompetent they are. DuncanHill (talk) 11:38, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

@Maproom: I've been holding my tongue in regards to this user and associated IPs for over a few months, and this accomodation wasn't extended to another user indefinitely who used to bombard the help desk virtually every day with minor variations. Some other users have asked if there were ways to help her get her head around basic editing tasks or getting them written down, to which she hasn't replied to them personally. I fail to see how I've been badgering her when I've only made remarks directly to her in this now-merged thread. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 13:03, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

I've now done the "doubling up" as requested. Maproom (talk) 06:55, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Marchjuly, on "the [question] directly above this thread": The two were about the same article, and identically titled. The editor showed no interest whatever in my earlier, polite (I think and hope) request not to give the same title to more than one message thread appearing on the same page, so eventually I gave up the attempt. Anyway, as the second thread here immediately followed the first, I removed its header; sorry for thereby making your message a bit harder to understand. -- Hoary (talk) 08:07, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

That's fine Hoary. I don't think it matters too much.-- Marchjuly (talk) 05:17, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Problem on publishing corrections

Hello :) I try to submit my draft after improving it, taking into account some comments from an editor, but when I press the publish button the following message appears "No stashed content found for 1219665912/544b45c1-06b0-11ef-890d-2fa6df159f4d". What must I do? Nicholas719 (talk) 07:59, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Erietta Kourkoulou-Latsi   Maproom (talk) 08:40, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

e/c Hello Nicholas719. Are you referring to Draft:Erietta Kourkoulou-Latsi? Unfortunately that message means that your edits have not been saved. You need to save (ie publish) your edits at regular intervals. Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:41, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. I'll try saving more often. Hope I'll not disturb the editors :) Nicholas719 (talk) 08:49, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

I'd recommend periodically backing up your text in a word processor too, just to be on the safe side. Sorry you lost all your work. Qcne (talk) 08:57, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Will do that. Thank you! Nicholas719 (talk) 09:00, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi! Forgive my ignorance... While I can resume my edit" Draft:Erietta Kourkoulou-Latsi" and the corrections I've made seem to be all inserted, I still cannot publish the article for someone to evaluate it again. The message is the same (No stashed content found for 1219665912/544b45c1-06b0-11ef-890d-2fa6df159f4d). Should I create a new entry from scratch and ignore this one? Nicholas719 (talk) 07:45, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

How can I report this discussion?

Where can I report this discussion [place] to receive an answer? Can someone do it? 2A02:B021:8F01:8E96:BB22:B710:2F51:3193 (talk) 14:56, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi IP editor. You've opened the Talk Page discussion, but it has only been a few minutes so please do be patient. We're all volunteers and it might be that no one who watches that Talk Page will reply for a few weeks. Qcne (talk) 15:05, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Many thanks for the answer. I just wanted to ask if there is a project in which I can report the discussion, like in italian Wikipedia (I come from there). 2A02:B021:8F01:8E96:BB22:B710:2F51:3193 (talk) 15:14, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

If the question is, where in New Jersey did he die, probably Wikipedia:WikiProject New Jersey. TSventon (talk) 18:14, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

This seems to be related to an earlier Help Desk query at Wikipedia:Help_desk#Louis_Adamic. IP editor, the relevant Projects are at the top of Talk:Louis Adamic if you wish to alert other editors. Advice at WP:CANVASS. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:16, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

scope of family conflict

No, I am not about to write an article about my relative. But there is one in another language. Do I need to declare WP:COI if, where their name is already mentioned, I make an interlanguage link? —Tamfang (talk) 18:05, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

When in doubt, disclose. --Orange Mike | Talk 18:43, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Review for Draft:Llama.cpp

My article about Llama.cpp, a software library (not affiliated), was declined 22 days ago because the "submission is about a topic not yet shown to meet general notability guidelines." I since then added three separate articles that are about my topic in line with the general notability guidelines and the recommendation in Wikipedia:Multiple_sources that "it seems that challenges to notability are successfully rebuffed when there are three good in-depth references in reliable sources that are independent of each other." The three sources are from theregister, arstechnica and tomshardware (not including other primary sources). Would someone be able to take a look at the revised version? I would like to know if there is anything wrong with it this time because it seems the re-review process is long. 65.242.132.98 (talk) 18:37, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

This should be discussed on the draft's talk page; but I'll tell you right now, a little how-to squib on Tom's Hardware, (basically a blog) which is not about the subject but just mentions how to use the subject, is not going to meet our standards. --Orange Mike | Talk 18:42, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. I will post this to the talk page. What is the general standard then for software? News sites don't generally cover them. For example the sources for Krita are almost all first hand sources from Krita.org and KDE as well as links to it's store page on eg. Google Play. It doesn't seem common for reliable news sites to explain what software products are and do, much less a software library like llama.cpp. How do you recommend I proceed with this article? To me, this software is very "obviously" notable because it has 55,000 stars on GitHub and probably millions of users. But I don't know how to prove that within Wikipedia's general guidelines. Also what do you think of the other two sources? Are they good enough? 65.242.132.98 (talk) 18:56, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Not all our articles meet our standards. Did you not notice that Krita has a tag at the top of the article warning, "This article relies excessively on references to primary sources"? --Orange Mike | Talk 19:00, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Please read Wikipedia:Notability (software), which has some good advice. Cullen328 (talk) 19:10, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, could my tomshardware article serve as one example of being "the subject of multiple printed third-party manuals, instruction books, or reliable reviews, written by independent authors and published by independent publishers?" If I find a few more of these tutorials, is that good? Also, I think Wikipedia:Notability (software) should be added to Category:Wikipedia_notability_guidelines which I looked at earlier but doesn't seem to have it linked

The article: https://www.tomshardware.com/how-to/create-ai-chatbot-server-on-raspberry-pi 65.242.132.98 (talk) 19:33, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

I'm not sure whether or not Tomshardware.com is a reliable source, but I am certain that the article you cite does not contain significant coverage of LLama ColinFine (talk) 21:46, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Why is that? To me, that article "addresses the topic directly and in detail" because it tells you what the software is and how to use it. The whole article is about llama.cpp. 65.242.132.98 (talk) 22:39, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

I added a source published in International Journal of Electronics and Telecommunications https://journals.pan.pl/Content/130704/18_4466_Walkowiak_L_sk.pdf . Does this help show the notability of the article? 65.242.132.98 (talk) 22:45, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Referencing errors on Bruce Weber (photographer)

Reference help requested. I'm not clear on what the referencing error is. Can you clarify so I can correct? Thank you so much! It says it's a bare url Thanks, KATENEALE (talk) 22:14, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

KATENEALE, your edit was reversed by MrOllie so it does not need correcting. It is probably worth asking them to explain why they disagreed with your edits.

The problem was <ref>{{Cite web |url=https://film-forward.com/documentary/pop-culture/the-treasure-of-his-youth-the-photographs-of-paolo-di-paolo |access-date=2024-04-23 |website=film-forward.com}}</ref>, which needs more information as below. The error message is caused by the missing title, but the author and date should also be added.

|title=The Treasure of His Youth: The Photographs of Paolo Di Paolo |last=Ely |first=Caroline |date=2022

TSventon (talk) 22:55, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! KATENEALE (talk) 00:34, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

WHy does the NY Times wikipedia page...

WHy does the NY Times wikipedia page say it is 2nd to the Wall Street Journal circulation when the WSJ wikipedia page says that the WSJ is 2nd to the NY Times? Completely contradictory. 98.115.218.186 (talk) 23:26, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Edited at different times most likely, when each was true; I'll take a look and see if it can be resolved. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 01:04, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

May 9

Article on Australian politician Moira Deeming showing clear bias towards her.

The birgraphy in Wikipedia about Moira Deeming contains a paragraph which has clear bias and in essence falsehoods about a so called anti trans rally that was held. It was NOT an anti trans rally but was a rally in support of womwen's safety and was called "Let Women Speak". There are arguably a majority of people who do believe that biological women's spaces should be sacrosanct and clear evidence exists of this being abused unfortunately by individuals by the mere claim that they identify as a women. There are also serious concerns about women's safety and fairness, in women's sports. Now no matter how strongly you feel about this, I was always told Wikipedia is a space open to all points of view, as long as they are expressed in an acceptable non abusive way. Is this the case? Or is Wikipedia yet another media outlet which only allows one narrative to be expressed? It amazes me how people will refuse to allow debate. That in itself, implies their argument must be very weak? 192.28.122.75 (talk) 00:52, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

I suspect you mean a bias against her, rather than towards her. HiLo48 (talk) 01:34, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

In my ideolect 'towards' (in this context) means 'regarding' with a hint of 'against'; it certainly doesn't imply 'in favour of'. YMMD. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 188.220.175.176 (talk) 07:56, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi. The best place to bring up concerns with how the article is written is on the Talk page for that article. Mokadoshi (talk) 01:55, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

WIP template

I remember there are WIP templates for articles; e.g. when you want to perform many edits or major overhaul on a specific article, you add WIP template to it. Template name? Thanks for the help. --Mann Mann (talk) 03:02, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

{{Under construction}} may be what you're looking for. Best, ayakanaa ( t · c ) 03:09, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

@Mann Mann and Ayakanaa: {{In use}}. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:26, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Inter-language Links to Image Files

I want to include a picture in an English Wikipedia article based on an image file from another Wikipedia server for a different language. How do you make an inter-language link to an image file within the standard image file display coding? The following is the coding for one of the images I have attempted:

File Name: Tiedosto:Ttr europe.jpg
Wikipedia Server: Finnish (https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiedosto:Ttr_europe.jpg)
Attempted Coding: [[File::fi:Tiedosto:Ttr europe.jpg|thumb|right|The box cover of the European version of the ''Ticket to Ride'' board (Europe 1917).]]

I have tried a few variations in the coding, but it always fails to produce an image. I have also searched the image coding pages in Wikipedia help, but I cannot find where this issue is discussed. Can anyone help me? SMargan 04:26, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Images must be hosted on the local wiki itself or on the central Commons wiki. Files hosted by one language's Wikipedia site cannot be displayed in articles on another language's Wikipedia site. That file is not free, so it's forbidden to upload it to commons and it's forbidden by some languages' site policies to use it at all (one of the reasons to prohibit one language from using another's files). If you have a legitimate WP:Non-free content use-case, you could upload it here to enwiki for use here on enwiki. DMacks (talk) 04:53, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

@DMacks (talk) - Thanks for the heads-up on that! I am really unsure about how the image system works. Indeed, I thought all the Wikipedia servers for each language were part of the same organisation, therefore, the content was usable by everyone when uploaded ... it seems not. In that case, can I post a request to the account of the person who uploaded the image on the foreign language Wikipedia server, and use that as a permission for uploading the image to Wiki-commons or the English Wikipedia server myself? I am a little puzzled as to why this process has not been accounted for by Wikipedia, i.e. why does Wikipedia not ask the uploading account for permission for any account to use the image when uploading it, or at least have a easy way of another user to ask for such permission etc. SMargan (talk) 14:26, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

The licensing of this file (based on who actually owns its creative content) does not allow anyone to upload it anywhere. Some *wiki allow uploading of this sort of "non-free" content in certain cases (which might vary site-to-site), and others do not. So any *wiki that wants the file needs to handle it locally to make sure it complies with the local rules. The uploader does not ever have to grant special permission directly: whatever they upload is documented as part of the upload process, and in this case they don't even own the image enough to grant you permission anyway. So you are allowed to download the file from one *wiki and re-upload it to another *wiki as long as it complies with that second *wiki's rules. But as uploader to that second *wiki, it's up to you to make sure you are following that one's rules, rather than having the original uploader have to know every different site's rules. The goal is to avoid supporting license violations as much as possible but allow anyone who knows the rules to follow them. If the file actually had an open license, the wiki platform makes it much easier to share and use among different sites, because that's one of the goals of open licensing. DMacks (talk) 14:55, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

How to flag what seems an irrelevant section of an article

I'm editing an article on Mackinac Island and was quite surprised to find several lengthy paragraphs about Masonry there. Because I'm not aware of any particular connection of Mackinac with Masonry, and the discussion seems irrelevant to all but those interested in Masonry overall, I'd like to flag those paragraphs for the author or other editors to consider the question of relevance WITHIN the article, sort of like a CITATION NEEDED, rather than at the Talk are of the article.

Is there a way to do that, or would that be frowned on rather than going to Talk? Augnablik (talk) 06:58, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

If the material is uncited to a reliable source, you are free to simply remove it, as the burden is on those adding material to add a source if challenged.

The material on Mackinac Island is cited (though arguably the primary newspaper sources are not reliable here), so to directly answer your question, there actually is an inline maintenance template that does precisely what you want: {{Undue weight inline}}—there's also a box listing similar tags on that page. Cheers!Remsense诉 07:01, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

@Remsense and @Tenryuu, because you both gave me different but seemingly good options, could you both weigh in as to why you believe yours is the better of the two recommendations? Augnablik (talk) 10:30, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Both seem fine approaches that achieve the same result, it's largely personal preference. An inline tag would be most clearly suited for passages of a few sentences, while a banner like Tenryuu posted is suited when most or all of a section has the same problem. Remsense诉 10:34, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Aha. Helpful. Augnablik (talk) 11:19, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

If for some reason you want to leave it on there for the time being to discuss, there's the maintenance tag {{off topic}} that might be useful. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 07:03, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

@Remsense and @Tenryuu, because you both gave me different but seemingly good options, could you both weigh in as to why you believe yours is the better of the two recommendations? Augnablik (talk) 10:29, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

I think Remsense's suggestion is just as valid as mine and neither is better than the other; I just think if there's as much off-topic content as you say there is, the template I suggested would be helpful. Everything else is up to your editorial discretion. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:02, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Well, it’s not like the whole section is off, just those two lengthy paragraphs — and they’re not right next to each other. Augnablik (talk) 15:51, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

How to create a business Wikipedia page?

How to create a business Wikipedia page? UnnatighoshHCL (talk) 08:12, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

@UnnatighoshHCL Short answer: You probably can't. Longer answer: WP:PAID, WP:NCORP, WP:BACKWARD and WP:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. Hope this helps some. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:18, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much! I have made some edits and they have been rejected. Can I now make the changes in the same using Paid contribution? UnnatighoshHCL (talk) 09:54, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

@UnnatighoshHCL, you can make edit requests on the talk pages. For instance, the HCL Commerce talk page is at Talk:HCL Commerce. To make an edit request, you can either read and follow the instructions at {{Edit COI}} or use the Edit request wizard, whichever is easier for you. 57.140.16.48 (talk) 13:56, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

@UnnatighoshHCL: You have already been provided with ample advice on your talk page. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:23, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much for your advice. UnnatighoshHCL (talk) 14:48, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Help desk archiving

It seems the bot who archives this page does so per age of thread, not paying any attention to activity, so a very ongoing discussion sometimes gets archived. This is not what I expect on a page like this in this day and age, so if someone good at archiving wants to look into that, please do. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:14, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Article Deletion

The article written by me for a 60 year old company has been deleted, the citation provided were all reliable and neutral. How can I raise a concern to reinstate the article. Here is the link to the article Akhare 2024 (talk) 08:38, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Akhare 2024 So you linked to the deletion discussion, not the deleted article itself. Wikipedia is not a place to merely tell about the existence of a company, what it does, and its offerings; Wikipedia articles about companies must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the company, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable company. "Significant coverage" is that which goes beyond just telling of the existence of the company and what it does and goes into detail about what the sources see as important/significant/influential about the company. Being a 60 year old company in and of itself does not contribute notability, and a lack of notability is why the discussion reached a consensus that deletion was appropriate.

Unless you can show that a gross error in policy was made- which seems unlikely- there isn't much you can do about this. If you are able to address the concerns of the deletion discussion and offer sources that show this company is notable, you may create and submit a draft for an independent review via the Article Wizard. I fear that as a marketing agent for this company you are too close to it, or too much of a marketer, to be able to write as Wikipedia requires. 331dot (talk) 08:44, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

I would suggest that you read WP:BOSS and have those at the company who hired you read it too. 331dot (talk) 08:46, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for sharing this, I have already mentioned COI. And all my citations were from independent reliable source. Is there a way to re-evaluate the deletion and get the article back up again? Akhare 2024 (talk) 10:50, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

It is very unlikely that your article was deleted in error, unfortunately. Please ensure you're familiar with how we define reliability and neutral point of view before making additional contributions to the encyclopedia. I recommend following 331dot's advice. Remsense诉 10:54, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Note that one of the contributors to the deletion discussion, @Helpful Raccoon, said specifically I can't find any independent sources that provide in-depth coverage. You say that the sources you provided were reliable and neutral, which sounds as if you have missed the third requirement, that of significant coverage. ColinFine (talk) 15:36, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

In addition to what the others said, journalism that is entirely based on one of the company's press releases is not independent per Wikipedia:ORGIND. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 16:28, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Does this article comply with NPOV now, or is it still too promotional?

For the article about emailSanta.com, I added in criticisms of the site made by various sources, including Wired and the owner himself on the Search Engine Journal. This article was originally written by the owner of the aforementioned website (User:Kringle Claus) in AfC. I was the one who accepted it, but now I regret accepting it, because I think it's too promotional. Do you think I successfully balanced out the promotion and made it WP:NPOV? I am contemplating whether I should start an AfD. Félix An (talk) 11:25, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Disagreement about repeated links on list articles

Seeking a third opinion, see and read our arguments here. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 • [𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺] 11:42, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

How to get minor fixes made on a protected page

At the IRC help disclaimer page, I noticed a small grammar fix was needed and so I started to make it. But an alert came up that I couldn’t because it’s a protected page. I’m guessing there’s a way to ask for help in doing it. But how?

The sentence in need of minor surgery is this: “There are things on Wikipedia that shouldn't be, adding another article that shouldn't isn't going to help.”

— To take care of the comma splice, I was planning to insert “so” just before “adding.”

— And for a little better flow in the sentence, I was also going to insert “also” just before the 2nd occurrence of “shouldn’t.”

Augnablik (talk) 16:27, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Augnablik, you could suggest this at Wikipedia talk:IRC help disclaimer. I wouldn't add "so", perhaps "and" would work. I don't think "also" is needed. TSventon (talk) 16:45, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Ah, yes, the article’s Talk page. A much simpler solution.

That aside, it seems you agree with me that a conjunction is needed after the comma, just not the choice I made, My reasoning was that “so” shows the direct connection of why adding another useless article isn’t a logical thing to do. I think using “and” wouldn’t do that even though it would at least fix the comma splice.

As for “also,” I thought it would buttress the direct connection all the more. Augnablik (talk) 17:10, 9 May 2024 (UTC)