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November 24

Should I restore the article for Cillit Bang?

Someone changed the entire article into a redirect. Should I restore the article? https://en.wiki.chinapedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cillit_Bang&oldid=1091659175 Félix An (talk) 02:36, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

Félix An, the article was removed because of its long-standing inadequate referencing. You should only consider recreating it if you can address that problem. Maproom (talk) 08:16, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

vector skin

is there a way to make ?useskin=vector persist without logging in or installing an addon? 103.62.155.200 (talk) 07:17, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

Unfortunately not, as far as I'm aware. Tollens (talk) 08:40, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

If you have an account and are logged in, you can do it by

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Maproom (talk) 09:51, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

Adding an article to an RM after it has started

Hi all. Is it possible to add an article to a requested move that is already underway? In particular, I would like to add History of transgender people in Brazil to the RM at Talk:History of transgender people in Finland. -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 16:05, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

You can bring the topic up in that discussion, or, if in the future the discussion ends with move, you can move the Brazil page in a similar way and cite that discussion as the precedent. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 17:23, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

Carnival of Venice

According to the page, "Carnival of Venice" should be capitalised, but should "Venetian carnival" (the "c" of "carnival") and "Venice carnival" (the "c" of "carnival") also be capitalised? JackkBrown (talk) 16:11, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

@JackkBrown: "Carnival" should be captialized if it is part of a proper name, such as the Carnival holiday. However, when writing about a traveling carnival, we would use lowercase. GoingBatty (talk) 20:07, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

@GoingBatty: I have not understood correctly and therefore risk making a mistake. Could you kindly correct all the "Carnival" and "Carnevale" that I got wrong on the pages "Carnival in Italy", "Carnival of Venice", "Carnival of Viareggio" and "Carnival of Ivrea"? Thank you very much in advance. JackkBrown (talk) 20:42, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

@JackkBrown: You are persistently making changes to articles which introduce errors and then expecting other editors such as @GoingBatty and myself to clean up your mess. This is not acceptable.

There is a danger that you will be blocked again if you continue to exhibit this behaviour. You are responsible for your edits, and should now be going back to correct them, or at least WP:UNDO your edits.

Editing Wikipedia is not a competition, and there are no deadlines. Bazza (talk) 21:53, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

@Bazza 7: if you want me to take care of it, please explain better, with examples, when "Carnival" and "Carnevale" should be capitalised and when not (by the way, threatening to block someone is never a nice thing to do). JackkBrown (talk) 22:21, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

@JackkBrown: If you don't know what you're doing then stop editing. Your constant demands of other editors to fix errors of your own making are unreasonable.

I did not threaten to block you. I warned you that you may end up being blocked as you have been previously if you do not cease your disruptive editing. Bazza (talk) 23:43, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

@Bazza 7: I respect you, but you are very wrong here. It may happen that I sometimes edit incorrectly, ask for advice, follow the advice, and then correct my mistakes, but this I do because I correct many pages a day (among the adjustments I make, I always flawlessly correct all captions, following the MOS:CAPTIONS, the MOS:GEOLINK, the "circa" template, adding punctuation when it's missing, etc., I fix dashes, I correct sentences, I add punctuation when it is missing (and I assure you that I have found pages where punctuation was completely missing (I mean it)), I add the "flatlist" and "plainlist" templates when necessary (more often than you can imagine, for example in many pages of Italian artists), I add the "singular" and "plural" templates, and many other things that I will not list because of their quantity) and I can't spend any more time alone than normal searching for doubts (I remind you that I am not an English national and many things I translate thanks to paid translators (very reliable)). By the way, I am a precise user and if I realise I have made a mistake I correct it, in fact sometimes I check my edits from 10 months ago, and very few do that (maybe, I repeat, maybe, not even you). Having said that, I am sorry that you only notice my mistakes, and thus only the tip of the iceberg. I wish you a good night. JackkBrown (talk) 01:55, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

JackkBrown, this will probably hurt your feelings, but I agree with Bazza 7 and GoingBatty in this matter. Most of the amendments you are aiming to make, while often technically correct, are in the context of Wikipedia fairly trivial (and I speak as a former professional editor who used to be meticulous about such matters when editing printed books and periodicals). No-one is going to look at any single stylistically errant word on Wikipedia and take it to be universally applicable: different publications have different styles; none of them is the 'one true way'.

Moreover, the scale of Wikipedia is such that you are in effect trying to bale out a lifeboat with a teaspoon.

My suggestion is that you stop this seemingly obsessive activity, find something else to do on Wikipedia or elsewhere, and resume in at least several months time after you have further passively studied both the (admittedly complex) MoS and other rules, and how the matters have been handled in articles that have GA and FA status, which ought to be entirely correct barring errors added post-assessment.

I think this would be good both for you and for the many editors who have tried and continue to try to help you. You are of course entirely free to ignore my advice. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.218.227.124 (talk) 05:47, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Referencing errors on Terence Trent D'Arby

Reference help requested.

Thanks, Rockforlife (talk) 17:04, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello, I am trying to update the artist name to Sananda Maitreya (including the wikipedia URL) everywhere to reflect the current changes in all streaming platforms of the full discography, including album covers: i.e. https://music.apple.com/en/album/introducing-the-hardline-according-to-sananda-maitreya/250551726 Can you please help? Everytime I do a change somebody else randomly reverse it.

There is no consensus to change the name of the album. Most services call it Introducing the Hardline According to Terence Trent D'Arby, which was its name when it became a notable album. For example, AllMusic, which you changed inappropriately in this edit.... discospinster _talk 17:10, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

Rotating galleries

Do we have them, or can it be done? I'm thinking it would be more egalitarian in not having to worry whar order a gallery is seen in (so one image never has precedence over another). On the other hand, the rotation wouldn't be printable (is that still a major concern nowadays?) ——Serial 17:07, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

The latter would be for me, as I sometimes print articles to show to others in person when doing so via the internet is not a useful option. My 85-y-o Father, for example, is not online and does not intend to become so. Also, some people still meet socially and pass around books, magazines, and printed-off academic papers and Wikipedia (etc.) articles of interest.

I suggest that it would also need to be possible to freeze the rotation at will, since otherwise one might not be able to view a particular image as long as one would like, without clicking to open it in a separate tab. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.218.227.124 (talk) 05:21, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

@Serial Number 54129: I'm not sure whether you want to vary which image is shown, or only vary where it is shown among other images. In either case, we don't do it in articles. {{Random slideshow}} and {{Transclude files as random slideshow}} are deliberately coded to not work in articles. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:47, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

PrimeHunter, no that's fine, I assumed as much—for the MOS:ACCESS reasons .124 mentions above. 14:15, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Copying references from a different language

Hi, is there an easy way to copy references from a different language version of Wikipedia? ARandomName123 (talk)^{Ping me!} 17:56, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

All you need to work out is what template is being used, and use the en-Wiki version of that. The only other thing to remember is to use |lang= and add the relevant language name. Mjroots (talk) 18:31, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

Well yes, but when copying it over, the parameters (ex. first/last name) are in a different language, so I was wondering if there was an easier way to copy it than manually translating the parts of the template. ARandomName123 (talk)^{Ping me!} 18:47, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

If you are using cs1|2 templates ({{cite book}}, {{cite web}}, etc) there may be an auto-translator available. There are auto-translators for some non-English templates for these languages:

Catalan, Danish, Dutch, Finnish, French, German, Italian, Norwegian, Polish, Portuguese, Spanish, Swedish, Turkish

In general, the auto-translator will produce a correctly formatted cs1|2 template from the source that will get subst'd by AnomieBot. The translations are not perfect so it is on you to make sure that the rendered result is correct. If the non-English template is supported by a translator, all you need to do is copy it from the source and paste it in the en.wiki article, preview, fix any errors, and publish.

If there isn't an auto-translator for your particular language, do us the courtesy of translating the template yourself so that others don't have to follow behind you cleaning up your mess.

Supported non-English templates are listed at Module:CS1 translator.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 19:01, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

ok, thanks! ARandomName123 (talk)^{Ping me!} 19:04, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

Don't forget to verify that the source supports your translation of the article as well ☺️ Folly Mox (talk) 19:02, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

ofc. Thanks for the help! ARandomName123 (talk)^{Ping me!} 19:05, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

Trappist the monk, thank your for explaining the CS1 translator. Would it make sense to add a version of your answer to Help:Translation? The information seems hard to find if you don't already know about it. TSventon (talk) 00:03, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Go ahead.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 00:09, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Trappist the monk, I have added a section Help:Translation#Translating references. It is closely based on what you wrote but feel free to improve it further. I checked Pages that link to "Module:CS1 translator" and they did not seem to include any other help pages. TSventon (talk) 16:18, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

No longer able to access Newspapers.com Publisher Extra

I've had a subscription to Newspapers.com Publisher Extra for years through Wikipedia. I heavily rely on it for citations. I logged in today and searched but on every single newspaper result I click on, it says I don't have access to Publisher Extra and will need to pay.

How am I supposed to add citations when literally no single newspaper is available to me anymore? I need access restored asap, someone please help. SportsGuy789 (talk) 22:34, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

@SportsGuy789: I had the same problem the other day. I see there's a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Newspapers.com#Newspapers.com access model change and new URL that might be helpful. I'll try it the next time I have the issue. GoingBatty (talk) 22:57, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! I didn't realize it was a systemic issue. I hope it gets resolved quickly. SportsGuy789 (talk) 23:35, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

November 25

What is the most appropriate way to deal with an editor causing WP:Disruptive editing due to his incompetency in English?

An editor is causing WP:Disruptive editing at multiple pages because of his incompetency in English. It is impossible to discuss his edits in the Talk Page because of his incomprehensible English. I do not want to make a personal attack, but I judge that the editor is clearly incompetent in English per WP:Competence is required.

For example, the editor (@Barbardo) wrote (in https://en.wiki.chinapedia.org/wiki/Talk:Khitan_(circumcision) ): "You removed sources and then added primary sources which one hadith calling for it are deemed weak/daeef and then added a unsourced line about it being mostly found in muslim countries when it varies and is primarily based in africa my suggestion is removing the hadiths and the above line you made in the start of the paragraph. " And he also wrote: "You can't add hadiths as they are primary sources witgoyt secondary sources and you have also copied the first paragraph its fine as it because the hadith that calls for it is weak." I assume that other editors will agree that these sentences are incomprehensible.

What is the right way to deal with incompetency in English?

QamarBurtuqali (talk) 01:55, 25 November 2023 (UTC)QamarBurtuqali

(maybe try to add I think you should try to talk to them in their native language if they listed on their user page through their user talk page (maybe try to add an english translation or vise versa). Sangsangaplaz (talk) 06:07, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

QamarBurtuqali, there is advice on dealing with incompetence in English in WP:Disruptive editing and WP:Competence is required, which you have already linked to.

I think that the sentences you have quoted are reasonably clear, so I have copy edited them below

"You removed sources and then added primary sources of which one hadith calling for it areis deemed weak/daeef and then added aan unsourced line about it being mostly found in muslim countries when it varies and is primarily based in africa my. My suggestion is removing the hadiths and the above line you madeadded inat the start of the paragraph."

"You can't add hadiths as they are primary sources witgoytwithout secondary sources and you have also copied the first paragraph its. It was fine as it was because the hadith that calls for it is weak."

In this case I would suggest talking to the other editor on the article talk page and asking them to explain their points where they are not clear. If you can't agree, there is WP:Dispute resolution. TSventon (talk) 13:33, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Moses Montefiore

I did a Circa - "c" in the Early life section - but its not right - please fix if you have the time and thanks 175.38.42.62 (talk) 04:23, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

 Done in the future, you may want to use the {{circa}} template, using curly braces {} for templates, not square brackets [] for links—for example {{circa|1812}} would produce c. 1812. cheers! Remsense聊 04:26, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Stub articles

Is there a way to generate a list of all articles whose talk pages are in Category:Stub-Class articles (or any of its subcategories) but are not in Category:All stub articles and vice versa? That is, all articles that are rated as stubs on the content assessment scale but do not have a stub template and vice versa. Andumé (talk) 05:24, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

PetScan? Mach61 (talk) 05:43, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

And if Petscan can't do it - I can never remember whether it can handle the categories-on-the-talk-page problem - ask on WP:Request a query, and I or someone else will put something together for you. —Cryptic 06:12, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, since it's not possible to do this via PetScan (or at least I couldn't figure how), I will ask there. Andumé (talk) 06:33, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Despicable Me 4

Would now be a good time to write an article on the upcoming Despicable Me film? Or do I have to wait until more information is confirmed? NiameyH (talk) 13:00, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

You can do it when there are independent reliable sources about it, which is very unusual for an unreleased film. I haven't looked, but it's likely that everything you can find is either ultimately from the producers (and so, not independent), or mere gossip and speciulation. See WP:NYF. ColinFine (talk) 13:50, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

i really dont think an article on an unreleased film is the greatest idea- mushi^{( ? )} 14:47, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Why is that? The Garfield Movie has a pretty decent article, and it only received a trailer a few weeks ago. Industrial Insect (talk) 17:24, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Inquiry on MBE deletion

I would like to clarify why did you remove the MBE under Jennie Kim's profile? 121.58.228.67 (talk) 15:31, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

The best place to ask this would be on the talk page of the relevant article(not a "profile"), Talk:Jennie Kim. 331dot (talk) 15:41, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

IP editor. See also Talk:Blackpink#Member's_MBE_POSTNOM_in_lede. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:09, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

How to request protection?

Hi, I want to know how to request a higher level of protection for a Wikipedia page. Ameerthewolf (talk) 18:40, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Please don't alter your signature in that manner. All protection issues are discussed at WP:RFPP. 331dot (talk) 18:50, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. Ameerthewolf (talk) 18:58, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Fancy usernames

I want to know how can I make my username fancy with colors and background colors and radius and whatever? Ameerthewolf (talk) 18:50, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

See WP:CUSTOMSIG, but your customization shouldn't be overly disruptive. 331dot (talk) 18:53, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Ameerthewolf (talk) 18:58, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Paragraph deleted by MrOllie

MrOllie [Please do not add commentary, your own point of view, or your own personal analysis to Wikipedia articles. Doing so violates Wikipedia's neutral po..]

My paragraph is neutral, which part in the umbrella does MrOllie justified his action. Lv9454 (talk) 19:30, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

@Lv9454: Please discuss this with MrOllie. If you cannot reach an understanding, then come back here. -Arch dude (talk) 20:04, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Creating user CSS pages

I would like to know how to create user CSS pages. Ameerthewolf ^{(talk to me} 19:47, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Please, see Help:User style. Ruslik_Zero 20:29, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

User not found

When i log on I see this:

Wikipedia does not have a user page with this exact name. In general, this page should be created and edited by User:Jack Massing. If in doubt, please verify that "Jack Massing" exists.

I exist, and I am attempting to publish an article about myself. Please direct to a solution. I am confused. Jack Massing (talk) 21:53, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

In short, don't. See WP:AUTOBIO. If you are noteworthy enough for a Wikipedia article, someone will make one about you eventually. Bruto (talk) 22:04, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Your user page is at User:Jack Massing (also accessible by clicking on the red link in your signature). Simply go there and edit the page. However, please note that user pages are to describe relavent information about yourself to other editors to help with collaborative editing. It is not some sort of social media where you can announce to the world how important you believe you are. See WP:USER for guidance. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 22:08, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Martin - OK, I was mistaken. I was misinformed about making this article. Thanks for the input. I however never have and never will believe that I am important. Jack Massing (talk) 22:50, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

"Notable" as we define it is not the same as important. We have articles here about mass murderers, about swindlers, about saints and sewers and comic book characters. --Orange Mike | Talk 00:17, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

November 26

Help

I am a Chinese Wikipedia user .I am writing ａ page on Chinese Wikipdia ,I need this image(File:Apollo 11 five ounce obverse.jpeg) , but it is only on the English Wikipedia , so are there some people help me to move this image to wikimedia so that I can use it on Chinese Wikipedia? Hong Kaile (talk) 00:41, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

@Hong Kaile: It's fair use (which is copyright exception legal thing), so you'll need to make sure it falls under Chinese Wikipedia's non-free image use guidelines. From the technical standpoint, you should be able to just download the image then re-upload it at zh.wiki, unless there's a better way. Edward-Woodrow (talk) 00:54, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

@Hong Kaile: There's no need for you to download the image from Wikipedia, as the original is still located at the US Mint. GoingBatty (talk) 00:58, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks！ Hong Kaile (talk) 01:00, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Citing museum labels/wall text

Wondering whether or not museum labels and wall text are useable as citations per Wikipedia guidelines - if so, what is the proper citation template to use? I've searched for discussions about this/examples of proper citations, but I can't find much in the way of explanation. I'm assuming the proper template would be either cite sign, cite document, or cite object, but I'm not sure. Specifically thinking about using a wall label from the National Gallery of Art in DC that contains historical information about an artist's career. There were no citations on the label, but I have the entire text if it's needed for proper citation. Thanks! 19h00s (talk) 01:45, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

19h00s Yes these are appropriate sources. I would treat it like an article on the museum's website. Template:Cite sign should work. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 03:57, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

The one occasion that I've needed to quote something like that I simply used <ref>Tourist interpretation panel adjacent to the doorway</ref>. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 10:07, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

AfD not listed in the 2023 November 17 log.

On 17 Nov I nominated an article for AfD. The discussion was relisted but I can't find it in the November 17 log. Is this OK? Gitz (talk) (contribs) 02:52, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Yes, it's now in the November 24 log. Relisted discussions get removed from the old log. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 02:59, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Good, thanks! Gitz (talk) (contribs) 03:02, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

android app

how do I set preferences and access my user page from android app ? 3MRB1 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 04:36, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

I signed the question in android app..---... 3MRB1 (talk) 04:40, 26 November 2023 (UTC) (4 tildes)

@3MRB1: Hi there! If the answer isn't in mw:Wikimedia Apps/Android FAQ, you can ask at mw:Talk:Wikimedia Apps/Android FAQ. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 06:19, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Busted common.js

I saw the humorous article WP:HTVC and I tried out the vandalism script (just to see if the Wikipedians who made it were JOKING), by way of putting it into my common.js file. But then I couldn't delete the script and save it! The "edit" button became a "vandalize" button, and there was no way to save my changes on the common.js file after. Can one of you admins please delete my common.js file so I can edit again? Ameerthewolf ^{(talk to me} 06:22, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

@Ameerthewolf  Done, for future reference WP:SAFEMODE is helpful in these cases since it allows disabling the your custom javascript. Galobtter (talk) 06:27, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

News feed

2405:3800:868:E675:0:0:0:1 (talk) 09:08, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

See WP:ITN. Folly Mox (talk) 09:10, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

I persuade someone remove the redirect Natrium and make a hidden redirect page to the chemical element Sodium.

Could you make the name Natrium not shown in the summary field in the heading, but sufficient for everyone to type Natrium and get the result: Sodium. Would be a lovely kindness of you to help me. 2001:EE0:4BC4:5DC0:74A5:B633:51B2:265D (talk) 11:39, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

I am not entirely sure what you mean – the page Natrium (redirection disabled for that link) is already a redirect page. If you navigate to Natrium (that link is normal behaviour), you will be immediately redirected to Sodium. Tollens (talk) 11:45, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

@Tollens, no, I mean to hide the box 'Natrium redirects here'. And in meantime, create a page with the redirect to keep the article polish and consistent. 2001:EE0:4BC4:5DC0:74A5:B633:51B2:265D (talk) 11:51, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Let's spot the difference when you read the heading box of the article Potassium even you entered Kalium. 2001:EE0:4BC4:5DC0:74A5:B633:51B2:265D (talk) 11:53, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

The difference is that Kalium has no other meaning, whereas Natrium (disambiguation) is needed as there are other possible uses for the term "Natrium". Hence the hatnote on Sodium. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:55, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Wait. I saw an effective way, you can make the heading box sound like In the Latin name, see Natrium (disambiguation) or something similar to that. 2001:EE0:4BC4:5DC0:74A5:B633:51B2:265D (talk) 12:05, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Users may enter "Natrium" in the search box and be taken directly to Sodium without cliking anything when they wanted something else like Natrium, West Virginia. That's why the top of Sodium has a socalled hatnote:

"Natrium" redirects here. For other uses, see Natrium (disambiguation).

It's working as intended and we don't want to change it. It's not technically possible for our software to only display the hatnote if a user arrived at Sodium via the redirect Natrium. The redirect is created with code in the page Natrium. The hatnote does not create the redirect but merely informs the reader that there is a redirect. If there is no other plausible article they could have been looking for then we don't make a hatnote on the target page for redirects. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:43, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Can I use miscellaneous reference desk for help on origin of unknown stuff (such as a movie clip, but I don’t know where it is from & when was it made)

Is it allowed or not allowed? Should I use the miscellaneous reference desk for help on unknown stuff (such as a clip from a movie, music video or TV show, but I don’t know where it was made, what language is it & when was it released)? —The Industrial Me 1563 (talk) 14:20, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

The Industrial Me 1563 I would ask at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Entertainment. TSventon (talk) 14:24, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Oh, I see. Thanks for your help! —The Industrial Me 1563 (talk) 14:26, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi

I recently got the permission for reviewing drafts and was wondering how could I notify a user for moving his page from namespace to draftspace? zoglophie^•talk• 14:30, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

WP:DRAFTIFY recommends using {{uw-articletodraft}}. Folly Mox (talk) 15:05, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Sharia

Should the term "sharia" be written in upper or lowercase? JackkBrown (talk) 14:48, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

JackkBrown, I don't have an answer to that question, but since I know you value precision, the two English terms you'll want to be differentiating between are Title Case and sentence case. Or maybe I'm wrong, but those are terms we use around here a lot. Folly Mox (talk) 15:02, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

In what version of English? [1] Bazza (talk) 15:03, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

JackkBrown, I suggest that you ask at Talk:Sharia. Search for "capitalization" in the talk page archive as the question has been raised before. TSventon (talk) 15:11, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

"connecting" two articles about the same topic, but in different languages

There are 2 "foreign" language articles that cover the same topic as an English article that I recently created:

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canoe_Meadows_Wildlife_Sanctuary

https://ceb.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canoe_Meadows_Wildlife_Sanctuary

https://en.wiki.chinapedia.org/wiki/Canoe_Meadows_Wildlife_Sanctuary

The German and Cebuano articles link to each other in their sidebars, but my English article doesn't link to them. Is there a proper way of fixing this?

Thank you.

Pdanese (talk) 15:25, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Pdanese, articles on the same subject in different languages are linked through Wikidata. The de and ceb articles were linked to d:Q17490645 in Wikidata so I added the en article as well. TSventon (talk) 15:37, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very much. Pdanese (talk) 15:38, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

• @Pdanese: One way to do this is via the "edit links" button below the "languages" section; this button leads to WikiData and you can then edit content in the "Wikipedia" box on the page that comes up. (edit conflict)

User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 15:41, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Pdanese, for older articles the articles may be linked to different Wikidata items. In that case the items can be merged, see the Wikidata help page: d:Help:Merge. It is important to check that all linked articles are on the same subject before merging the items. TSventon (talk) 15:46, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Request rollback (my edits)

Here: Maslaha. JackkBrown (talk) 15:42, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

JackkBrown using Twinkle or a manual revert you can restore an old version. It is not necessary to ask for a rollback. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 15:50, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

@Sungodtemple: I can't, because the versions overlapped. I would like to be sure that I have not made any mistakes, I don't trust manual revert very much. JackkBrown (talk) 15:54, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

JackkBrown I have restored the version before your edits by clicking on the version before your edits, clicking edit wikitext and then publish changes. TSventon (talk) 16:05, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Write article about a person who has directed short movies and is a filmmaker and journalist?

Can I write an article about a person who has directed almost 3 short movies and is a journalist and moviemaker? Please help find the answer Zahirdaud24 (talk) 18:39, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

So...2 short movies? Do they meet WP:FILMMAKER. Do multiple reliable sources discuss them in depth? --Onorem (talk) 18:42, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

The benchmark is significant coverage in reliable secondary sources. Creating articles without fulfilling this requirement usually leads to the article being deleted very quickly. It's also important to to see the conflict of interest guidelines.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 18:44, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

@Zahirdaud24, per WP:N, what are the 3-5 best sources you can think of that are at the same time reliably published (WP:RS), independent of the person and about the person in some detail? This excludes blogs, wikis, the person's websites, online bookstores etc etc etc. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:49, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

There are 3 to 4 times mention of him on dawn news paper website which is based in Pakistan. Zahirdaud24 (talk) 17:40, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

What on earth is a printworthy redirect?

I've seen this before and I fail to understand it. All discussions about it link to this essay, which is nigh-incomprehensible. I've read it several times and I still don't get what exactly is and isn't printworthy. I know what "with possibilities" means, and I get what WP 1.0 is and the idea of that project so I don't need that explained to me, but what are the identifying factors that make a redirect classifiable as printworthy? PARAKANYAA (talk) 22:59, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

@PARAKANYAA: It's about whether it would be worth including in a huge alphabetically organized printed version of the encyclopedia where the equivalent of a redirect from X to Y would be a printed line like "X: See Y". My rough take is that if such a line would be unhelpful (for example because X and Y would be adjacent) or give a wrong impression that "X" is somehow valid then it's unprintworthy. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:39, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

I get that in theory, but are there guidelines on what should and shouldn't be in a print encyclopedia? I'm surprised redirects would be included at all. PARAKANYAA (talk) 00:05, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

@PARAKANYAA: I think it's for an imaginary scenario where there is no cost to extra printing and readers shouldn't have to guess which title is used for an article they look for in an encyclopedia with many volumes. I have tried that. It's annoying. The English Wikipedia is far too large to print in any case, and I think offline digital versions are almost dead but I haven't followed the work. I suggest you ignore the whole issue. That's what I have always done when creating and tagging redirects, and I guess nearly everybody does. The printworthy/unprintworthy designation is very rarely chosen directly by an editor but by whether the redirect is tagged with something in Category:Templates for printworthy redirects or Category:Templates for unprintworthy redirects. I leave it for others to decide which redirect tags do what. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:49, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

@PARAKANYAA Maybe some examples would be helpful. Wikipedia article names for medicines are almost always the International nonproprietary name, whereas many readers will look up brand names. Hence the latter will be printworthy and that's how Paxlovid is marked (in a hidden category, in that case): it redirects to nirmatrelvir/ritonavir. Similarly, Inderal to propranolol etc. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:50, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull Quite helpful. This helped me understand it more. Thank you very much. PARAKANYAA (talk) 14:52, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Incorrect literal meaning (maybe)

On this page, the meaning of the term "maṣlaḥa" is "public interest", but, according to this, "is frequently rendered as "public interest", although it is much closer in meaning to well-being, welfare, and social weal.": https://www.jstor.org/stable/3399225. Another question: in English it's spelled "wine-pourer" or "wine pourer"? I cannot find anything on Google. JackkBrown (talk) 23:05, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

@JackkBrown: As I've mentioned before, the best place to discuss maslaha is the article's talk page, Talk:Maslaha. Also, "wine pourer" would not be hyphenated - try Googling "wine pourer". GoingBatty (talk) 01:03, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

or see ngrams. Maproom (talk) 11:15, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

November 27

Dear wikipedia Team Please Unblock My Website

Dear wikipedia Team Please Unblock My Website (https://hindi whiz.com/) 2409:40E3:67:AE9A:D439:BE13:403B:7BC1 (talk) 04:39, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

The website was recently added to the global blacklist. To request removal, see meta:Talk:Spam blacklist. GoingBatty (talk) 05:06, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

@GoingBatty Note that MediaWiki_talk:Spam-blacklist#Proposed_removals says that Requests from site owners or anyone with a conflict of interest will be declined, so the IP is unlikely to succeed. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:26, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

STD vs STI?

A somewhat problematic editor whom I will not mention by name has gone on a spree of changing mentions of STDs to STIs. Is there actually any preference between one term or the other? Anonymous 04:42, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

I recommend bringing this up at Talk:Sexually transmitted infection. There appears to be at least one thread there regarding whether STI or STD should have priority for naming purposes, though the name of the article may itself be an indicator. Cheers! DonIago (talk) 05:11, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @An anonymous username, not my real name: Hi there! The Wikipedia article on the subject is called "Sexually transmitted infection", and starts with "A sexually transmitted infection (STI), also referred to as a sexually transmitted disease (STD)...", which leads me to believe either one would correct. The most important thing is that the usage in an article is clear. STD is a redirect to Sexually transmitted infection, while STI is a disambiguation page with several other meanings. The next most important thing would be consistency within a given article (but not necessarily across ALL articles). Lastly, I would recommend using whatever the sources say. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 05:12, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Name of the 1775-1783 war

Please guide me in referring to “the military event which resulted in the formation of the United States”. I presume this question has come up many times. However, I can’t find an answer in MOS or MILMOS. I have read: Wikipedia:Naming conventions (events) and Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Military history#Wars

The question is especially relevant for British units and British soldiers. In those cases, service in America is only part of the story.

I have already run into the complexities such as the Seven Years’ War and the “sub-war” French and Indian War. Both names are used and the other normally mentioned as an alternative. The same situation seems to exist with the 1775-1783 war: a global war with a purely north american component. - I have also found: “The American Revolutionary War (April 19, 1775 – September 3, 1783), also known as the Revolutionary War or American War of Independence…”Does that mean all three of these names are allowed in articles, but no other? - If the name refers only to north america, what is the name of the global conflict? - A standard for such wars seems to be “<country> War of Independence”; hence, we have the American War of Independence. Britons of that time seem to have referred to it as “the American War”. Modern Americans usually call it the American Revolutionary War. - names change. I have come across articles referring to The Great War, meaning 1914-1919. But the Republic/Napoleonic war of 1789-1815 was also called The Great War for years afterward.

If it isn’t documented, I’d like to hear from experienced neutral editors. Humphrey Tribble (talk) 08:04, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Humphrey Tribble your main question is a bit specific for a general helpdesk, but it is always relevant to check what reliable sources call a subject. The names in the first sentence of an article are not necessarily a complete list and may change as the article is edited. Places you could ask for more specialist advice include

• Talk:American Revolutionary War, where there are discussions of the name in the talk page archive
• Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history
• Wikipedia:Reference desk/Humanities

Try one at a time to avoid splitting the discussion. TSventon (talk) 14:15, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

@Humphrey Tribble: Or try having the discussion in one of the places suggested by TSventon, and then post invitations in the other locations providing a link to where the conversation is being held. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 16:32, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Help tagging a user page for CSD U2

I tried to request this page for speedy deletion but it was blocked by the abuse filter. The username did not being used and it is not a format of IP username. Please help me tagging {{db-u2}} to this page. Thank you. 132.234.229.149 (talk) 08:21, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: The username was previously used per here. 49.197.224.97 (talk) 08:45, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

move page

How a page can get moved. On this page the given name was wrong. The only thing to do now is to move the page itself:

Louis Deloy Nobswolf (talk) 10:32, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

JNobswolf We don't need the whole url when linking to another Wikipedia article or page. You may request a move at Requested Moves. 331dot (talk) 10:40, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Collapseable option of Template:Argo Navis

Could any turn the current Template:Argo Navis to {{Argo Navis|state=collapsed}} ? I plan to make {{Argo Navis|state=expanded}} to something else. 117daveawesome (talk) 07:11, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

@117daveawesome: I'm not sure what you want but {{Argo Navis|state=collapsed}} and {{Argo Navis|state=expanded}} call the same template {{Argo Navis}} with a different value of the state parameter. The only difference is whether the template is initially collapsed with a "show" link" or expanded with a "hide" link when the page loads. The content is identical and should remain identical. If you want a template with different content on some pages while keeping the old template available then you can make a new template with another name. It's also possible but more complicated to add a new parameter like |short=yes to the existing template like {{COVID-19 pandemic}}. Such an option should just be for omitting some content, not for the large current differences between {{Argo Navis}} and {{User:117daveawesome/testing}}. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:27, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Changing a Photograph in an article

The photo in the article on me was taken by my husband at our wedding and is inappropriate for a professional woman's biography. I would like to substitute another photograph he took recently that looks more professional. HOW do I do that please? I am not very adept at Wikipedia methods so the clearer the directions the better. Thank you very much. Barbara Bloemink Barbara Bloemink (talk) 14:14, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Barbarabloemink The easiest way to add an image of you is for you to take a selfie with your phone and upload it yourself. If your husband takes the photo, he must be the one to upload it under his account. See WP:UPIMAGE for more information about this process.

Note that in most cases you shouldn't be directly editing the article about you, but you may make formal edit requests on the article talk page. 331dot (talk) 14:18, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Also answered at Wikipedia:Help_desk/Archives/2023_November_5#Help_-_How_do_I_change_the_Photo_in_my_Biography?!!!!!. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:18, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Where do I make suggestions about the wikipedia notification system?

Dreameditsbrooklyn (talk) 15:01, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Probably at the Village Pump. 331dot (talk) 15:02, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Help

Hi, long time ago i made a wikipedia page for my old account Mkboss yt W.SK (also the name of the page), i dont have access to that account anymore because email that i registered on doesnt even exist anymore. please delete this page, when i search up my name that page comes up and i am embarrassed by it, there is my full name there. at least edit the page so there isnt my name please. i dont know what to do. MkIsOk (talk) 15:18, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Can you link to the page at issue? 331dot (talk) 15:26, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

It seems to be on Slovak sk Wikipedia, so MkIsOk would need to ask there. TSventon (talk) 15:31, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

is there support or forum or something for slovakia wiki? can you please send link🙏 MkIsOk (talk) 15:57, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

https://sk.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Redaktor:Mkboss_yt_W.SK&oldid=6475317 MkIsOk (talk) 15:56, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Yes, you need to ask this on the Slovak Wikipedia- we can only help with issues on the English Wikipedia. I do not know the Slovak language so I can't find the appropriate forum for you. 331dot (talk) 16:06, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Possibly Wikipédia:Potrebujem pomoc.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 16:09, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Yes, the Slovak version of this page is sk:Wikipédia:Potrebujem pomoc. You could translate your query via Google translate or similar and post it there. They were helpful when I visited their helpdesk a few days ago. TSventon (talk) 16:14, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Table markup

Note split column, that's where I'm tripping up!

Hey all, sorry, but if anyone could advise, I'd appreciate it. I think the drawing, un-da Vinci-like as it is, indicates what I want—can anyone help with the markup? Just one line would be fine! Cheers, ——Serial 17:22, 27 November 2023 (UTC) ——Serial 17:21, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

@Serial Number 54129: Don't think of column C being split: think of pairs of cells in all the other columns being merged.

A	B	C	D	E	F
A1	B1	C1A	D1	E1	F1
		C1B
A2	B2	C2A	D2	E2	F2
		C2B
A3	B3	C3A	D3	E3	F3
		C3B

Bazza (talk) 19:20, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Absolutely perfect, Bazza 7—sorry I'm such a dullard! I appreciate the work  :) ——Serial 17:56, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

@Bazza 7: err, sorry, I just realised I asked for completely the wrong thing. I don't think dullard quite expresses it... I wanted col C to be vertically split (or not merged?), rather than horizontally, as my image shows. Completely bizarre behaviour by my brain. Apologies, but could you help? ——Serial 18:56, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

@Serial Number 54129: This?

A	B	CA		D	E
AA	BB	CC		DD	EE
A1	B1	C1A	C1B	D1	E1
A2	B2	C2A	C2B	D2	E2
A3	B3	C3A	C3B	D3	E3

Bazza (talk) 19:20, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

@Serial Number 54129: Or more like this?

A	B	C		D	E
A1B1		C1		D1	E1
A2	B2	C2A	C2B	D2	E2
A3	B3	C3A	C3B	D3	E3
A4	B4	C4A	C4B	D4	E4

GoingBatty (talk) 20:09, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

@Serial Number 54129: There are some tools at Help:Table#External links that you might find helpful. GoingBatty (talk) 20:14, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

@GoingBatty: yes, morelike. But it's not Bazza's fault—I uploaded another copy of the image (which you've just used) after he did all his work. Unfortunately I've now uploaded yet another version (the last 2 cells in row 2 being merged). I am a complete idiot. It took me about six drawings in the end to work out what I actually wanted and now my red pen has nearly run out! ——Serial 20:17, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

I'm still playing catchup with our customer.

@Serial Number 54129: In essence, if a cell needs to span two columns, it needs a colspan="2" added to it. And if a cell needs to span two rows, it needs a rowspan="2" added to it. That applies to "normal" cells as well as header cells. You should be able to get what you need from the examples above! Bazza (talk) 20:18, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

@Serial Number 54129: I should have added: do not be disheartened at finding this troublesome: tables in HTML (and therefore Wiki markup) are counterintuitive and many people have difficulty getting merging cells round their head to begin with. Bazza (talk) 20:22, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

@Serial Number 54129: I'm not generally a fan of VisualEditor but it's good at merging table cells. Just drag the mouse over them and click "Merge". Remember that "splitting" a cell is not a thing. Make enough cells from the beginning and then merge where wanted. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:24, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

• I think, this is what I wanted... and how proud am I  :)

A	B	C		D	E
A1B1		C1		D1
A2	B2	C2A	C2B	D2	E2
A3	B3	C3A	C3B	D3	E3
A4	B4	C4A	C4B	D4	E4

...and I've managed to tie up the desk space and time of the entire technical help desk night shift! I am really so sorry, guys. But you've been great! I got there in the end. As Holmes said, "What a man you are for climbing a stile Watson, once your leg has been placed firmly on the other side". That's me, and that was my leg. Thanks, everyone! (Good advice PrimeHunter: next time I'll just lay out loads of squares and then remove what I don't need?). ——Serial 20:33, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Is the draft history removed when an article is finally moved to public space?

I'm creating an article as a draft and saving (publishing) as I go, so the history is pretty meaningless. Is it lost when the article finally goes public, and if not automatically, can it be? Ceperman (talk) 19:04, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Generally, article history is not tampered with except in serious circumstances, and it is not erased by a move from draftspace to articlespace—it may seem meaningless to you, but you could be surprised how others may find it helpful in the future! :) Remsense留 19:06, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

@Ceperman: Here is one possibility: Other sites often make undated copies of Wikipedia articles without crediting the source as required by our license. Later there may be doubt who copied who and the Wikipedia article risks being deleted as a suspected copyright violation. An early page history showing gradual development is great evidence that Wikipedia came first. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:06, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Duplicate Article?

Are these two duplicate articles?

• Mobile virtual network operator
• Virtual network operator

Thanks! 2601:45:403:ABC0:3B8F:7B3B:6606:D8B8 (talk) 20:27, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Looks like it. Great catch! ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 22:08, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

"Forum" or "forum"?

I don't understand why on the Forum Romanum page the term "Forum" (I'm not referring to "Roman Forum" and "Forum Romanum" but only to the term "Forum") is written with a capital initial, whereas on the Comitium page it's written with a lowercase initial. I don't ask on the Comitium page, as per your advice, because no one answers me. JackkBrown (talk) 21:20, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

It's less than 20 hours since you posed the question at Talk:Comitium#Upper or lowercase?. For some editors it can easily be a couple of days between sessions, so it is a bit unreasonable to complain that "no one answers me" after such a short time. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 21:33, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

@JackkBrown: "the Forum" is a shorter name for the Roman Forum or Forum Romanum, a specific forum with "Forum" in the name. "the forum" indicates some forum which could have had any name. In many sentences in Forum Romanum, both forms could have been chosen without either being wrong but maybe it would be better to be more systematic and always say "the Forum" in that article. Other articles don't mention Forum Romanum dozens of times and it's more natural to use the full name instead of a shortened name, while they can still say "the forum" when they mean the type of place and not the name of a specific forum. I hope that makes sense. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:04, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: great, I will save this message. What would you have used on the Comitium page? I have always used lowercase. You are free to edit the page if you see fit, I take no offence, in fact I am happy if capital letter is more correct on this page. JackkBrown (talk) 22:10, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

@JackkBrown: I wouldn't use "the Forum" there, and it doesn't. A mix of "Forum Romanum" and "the forum" is OK to me. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:18, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: it was me who wrote "forum" with a lowercase initial on the Comitium page, whereas before on the Consortium page "forum" was written with both upper and lowercase initials. However, if that's OK with you, fine, no need to change it. JackkBrown (talk) 22:42, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

What does this mean?

When looking at a pages views this message appears: Error querying Pageviews API - Not Found

The page is The Troubles in Ulster (1920-1923) Thanks Palisades1 (talk) 22:26, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

@Palisades1: It means the page does not exist, in this case at least. Tollens (talk) 22:27, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

the correct page is The Troubles in Ulster (1920-1922)

Palisades1 (talk) 22:33, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

That page was moved to its current title today – because that tool doesn't use live data it doesn't know the page exists yet. The old title does have data, see [2]. Tollens (talk) 22:52, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks very much. Palisades1 (talk) 22:54, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Note that the page in question is The Troubles in Ulster (1920-1922), not 1923, which has never existed. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 22:56, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

@ONUnicorn: Yes, The Troubles in Ulster (1920–1922) was moved there today. Tollens (talk) 23:02, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

November 28

Ronnie Hawkins

The article on Ronnie Hawkins claims that Roy Buchanan was the guitarist on Hawkins' version of "Who Do you Love". I believe that to be incorrect and that Robbie Robertson is the actual guitarist. 2600:6C44:5500:A7:C4:957A:6CDB:5205 (talk) 01:13, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Please address your concerns to the article talk page(Talk:Ronnie Hawkins, I think), but you will need more than your belief. You will need a reliable source to support your claim. 331dot (talk) 01:17, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia - sympathizer/opposition

eature summary (what you would like to be able to do and where):

Hello everyone, I would like to propose an idea for wikipedia that in my judgement should be there a long time ago, to promote fair and responsible information.

On the biografy/info should have 2 sections, one from people who are against the subject/ideas and other from people that are in favor of it. It not necessarily need to have 2 sections, but allow contest quotes. It could be even extended, for the whole subject page depending on the subject's controversy.

Use case(s) (list the steps that you performed to discover that problem, and describe the actual underlying problem which you want to solve. Do not describe only a solution):

Example: A famous celebrity in his/her page would have 2 sides one narrative by their supporters and the other by their opositors if it has. People could select one part of the biography for example and put that under contest and explaining the other point of view. Sometimes even the person could write a personal note upon a specific theme.

Benefits (why should this be implemented?):

This is importante because, the subject written from only one point of view will be always biased. Allowing both sides to express their thoughts will eliminate the bias from the page. And we always should persuit the truth. This is a way to promote debate and allowing people to have a free and personal judgment upon a theme. 2804:14D:5C83:9BBC:0:0:0:D460 (talk) 01:34, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia articles are based on what is published in reliable sources and are not the place for support/opposition of a topic. RudolfRed (talk) 01:37, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Are abbreviations such as "i.e." and "etc." endorsed in Wikipedia articles.

To Wikipedia Arbiters,
I have been editing Wikipedia articles for close to 14 years. For brevity, I have been using two abbreviations quite frequently, "i.e." (in other words) and "etc." (for example). I know Wikipedia tends to discourage the use of abbreviations, even though I cannot find the exact editor's Wikipedia page which mentions this at the moment. Are these two particular abbreviations ("i.e." and "etc.") acceptable, considering their wide usage? Is there a editor's Wikipedia article which discusses acceptable abbreviations?
SMargan (talk) 02:44, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

SMargan, I think you want Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Abbreviations and "i.e." and "etc." are fine. TSventon (talk) 03:13, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

@TSventon - Thanks you so much for the clarification! That issue has been a constant matter of concern. A follow-on question from that is this. If an article uses the abbreviation of "etc." at the top, and "for instance", in another part of the article (where you would use "etc."), would you go through the article page and change each instance for continuity, and if so, which would you use in preference, "etc." or "for instance".SMargan (talk) 06:59, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello, SMargan. If that inconsistency bothers you, you are welcome to edit it to make it consistent. But I don't think there is any policy that requires that sort of consistency. ColinFine (talk) 10:26, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

@SMargan: I'm not aware of a requirement to use the same standard English language constructions throughout an article. I'd use a mixture of both, plus "for example", "such as", and any other similar synonyms to make the article interesting to read. I also try not to use abbreviations in open prose, restricting them to parenthesised phrases, infoboxes, tables and other places where brevity might be wanted. Context, as is often the case, is everything. Bazza (talk) 10:27, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

@ColinFine, Bazza & TSventon: Thanks for your advice guys! It is good to get some bearings whilst editing these Wikipedia pages, via a clarification on some arbiter's positions on the Wikipedia edit policy. You have put my mind to rest. Thanks! SMargan (talk) 11:44, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Do we have a photo-hacker-magicians kiosk?

Hello! Not sure where to ask but maybe someone here knows where to go.

I'd like to get a high-res version of this image off the Mississippi Department of History website for use on Forks of the Road slave market and individual slave trader bios but it seems impossible.

https://da.mdah.ms.gov/series/maps/detail/572788

Do we have people who might have suggestions on how to pull it?

Thank you kindly. jengod (talk) 05:39, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Click the full screen button, zoom in all the way, screenshot each chunk, stitch them together. The image is roughly 5000x6500px; that's only about 21 subimages even if you've only got a 1080p screen. Hardly impossible. —Cryptic 06:11, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

I do everything on my phone so it gets wonky *BUT* I just found it as much higher res in a PDF so extracted it from there. TY so much for the guidance tho! I'll try that next time. Best, jengod (talk) 06:30, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

android app

does anyone use this for editing? It seems focused on reading and caching. 3MRB1 (talk) 05:49, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

https://f-droid.org/packages/org.wikipedia/

3MRB1 (talk) 05:55, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

I cannot create my user page while logged in with android app. What is this ? 3MRB1 (talk) 06:04, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Mobile apps for Wikipedia are quite limited in some ways (though they have some features that aren't there in the browser version), and most people do not use them for serious editing. But some editors edit extensively on their phones, using a browser. See Editing on mobile devices ColinFine (talk) 10:30, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Watchlist question

Is there a way to hide "MassMessage delivery" edits and/or edits from User:MediaWiki message delivery on your watchlist? Thanks - wolf 05:54, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

@Thewolfchild: Wikipedia:User scripts/List#Watchlist and recent changes shows User:Nardog/RCMuter. I haven't tried it. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:09, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll check it out and report back. - wolf 15:27, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

How to view recent changes from mainpage?

Vector 2022 skin

I can't view recent changes from the mainpage. CometVolcano (talk) 12:38, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

@CometVolcano: You may have it on a hamburger button ☰ at the top left. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:02, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

No, it is not there. --CometVolcano (talk) 13:03, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Do you have a "main menu" taskbar at the left of the screen? 331dot (talk) 13:09, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Yes, there is "main menu" taskbar, but no "recent changes" section in that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CometVolcano (talk • contribs) 13:15, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

CometVolcano the RecentChanges button should show as in the image I put above. Is this not what you see? Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 13:54, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

No, I can only see a "main menu" taskbar at the left upper corner upon clicking which there are main page, contents, current events, random articles, but no recent changes. CometVolcano (talk) 14:00, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Could you upload an image as Sungodtemple did so we can see what you are seeing? 331dot (talk) 14:03, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

CometVolcano It is under the 'Contribute' tab not directly under Main menu. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 14:06, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I got it, thank you Sungodtemple. --CometVolcano (talk) 14:15, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Article's subject is being sued

I have a doubt, it starts with Controversies involving Javier Milei#Coinx promotion, but it happens elsewhere from time to time. Someone has sued some famous person with a wikipedia article, and of course this is mentioned by the press (it would be a great scoop and clickbait, how not to publish it?). Problem is, anyone can sue for basically anything (in the linked case, for doing publicity for a business that later turned to be a scam, even if he had no other link to it besides the advertising), and most such weak cases are silently closed and archived by the judiciary some time later, without the press noticing so. Sometimes there are complex cases that take years before reaching a verdict, but sometimes it's just a weak case that anyone with a minimal knowledge of law would say it has no future of ever getting anywhere but to the archive. So, is there a threshold a judicial case should reach before being worth of mention in an article, or anything that can be referenced goes?

Just to clarify: I'm talking about public figures and how to deal in the articles with press reports of them being sued. I'm not suing anyone nor getting sued myself, nor I'm asking for any kind of actual legal advise. Cambalachero (talk) 17:19, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

On general Wikipedia principles, if it's reported in Reliable sources, it can be mentioned, but should not be given more prominence relative to the rest of the article than its significance (or lack of it) in the context of the subject overall. How much that is, is I suppose down to editorial judgement/consensus, unless someone known of a more specific policy? {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.15} 51.194.245.32 (talk) 18:17, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

The relevant policy point would be WP:BALASP: significance is determined by weighing the sources talking about one aspect against the body of all sources on the subject; that is, if only a few out of a great many articles about this person discuss a certain lawsuit, that lawsuit should be assigned low significance, but if it is referred to by a great many sources when talking about them, it is more significant. -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 21:23, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

What is WikiChecker?

why are some users blocked from access? Palisades1 (talk) 18:56, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

It seems to be a website giving statistics on users and pages. It's not one I've often seen used, there are other websites (like XTools) that provide similar data in a slightly more accessible manner. I don't know why some people are blocked from access - I'm not, although I don't recall using it before today. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 19:20, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Great, thanks. Palisades1 (talk) 19:23, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

references group="N"

Where is references group="N"? Mcljlm (talk) 21:17, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

@Mcljlm: Which article? An editor may name a new reference group anything. Some editor named this one "N" in some article. -Arch dude (talk) 21:36, 28 November 2023 (UTC)