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Mobile strike

Future possible players should be informed of how this game actually works before they invest so much time and money into a game that has this main problem. If you advance your base, commander, or research too far without completeing older research before newer (sometimes easier and faster) you will more than likely be at a limbo point and not able to get the needed items to complete an older research. This is due to the fast pace of updates and Mobile Strike removing needed items from the packs you will see if this happens. Their support team will send you basically paste and cut responses about how they understand the frustration trying to keep up in the game. Even if that's not the problem. There are many players that spent a lot of time and money on a game just to quit due to multiple problems in this game, this is just one of them. CptCaveman73 (talk) 02:26, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

@CptCaveman73: I understand your concern, but this isn't needed in the article. I already added a controversial based section using citations. Yoshiman6464 ^♫🥚 02:28, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

Not needed? Then add something to the page regarding all the negative feedback this game is getting in multiple forums ( App Store,Facebook page ,etc...) This company's practices are pretty unfair to its players. Especially if any problem arises and you have to contact their support team. CptCaveman73 (talk) 02:32, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

@CptCaveman73: Like I said, I already added a reliably sourced version of your concerns:

"The game's advertising is often misleading, showing footage of textures from the game, but with mechanics unachievable in the game."

The source I used was Macworld, which says, "I find it troubling that the game advertised in the App Store screenshots and on TV isn’t the game you actually play; as far as I can tell, that experience either isn’t there or has been greatly misrepresented for promotional purposes. And if there is some semblance of that deep within, following dozens or hundreds of hours of attention, then it’s surely not worth the hassle or payment needed to get to that point." By reading both sentences, it can be concluded by the reader that the game is not really worth anybody's time. Yoshiman6464 ^♫🥚 02:36, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

Ok sorry didn't notice that. Mobile Strike is a true misrepresentation in all manners, just too bad nothing can truly be done about them CptCaveman73 (talk) 03:37, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

@CptCaveman73: You're good. Just try not to add any long statements without citations again. Yoshiman6464 ^♫🥚 03:38, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

Likewise, @CptCaveman73:, I realised you did know your subject, and that you wanted to get your message/concerns across. And I am sorry I had to revert your edits a couple of times last night, but, whilst you are to be most welcomed for contributing to Wikipedia as a new editor, I think it will help you in future if you could remember that the style of writing needed here is that of an encyclopaedia, rather than a blog or magazine. So we need a neutral tone in articles, not one where we appear to be talking directly to you, the reader, with advice or opinions. And, of course, every statement or quotation used needs to be supported by references to reliable sources. Of course, feel free to raise legitimate concerns on any Talk Page where you can safely discuss the best way to represent those concerns in a legitimate manner on the page itself, or get someone to help you. (oh, and be careful about reverting other editors' reverts of your contributions. Do it 3 times in any 24hr period and you can end up getting a temporary block on editing. See WP:3RR It's one of those things that new editors don't appreciate, and it can be terribly demotivating if it happens, and you don't know why. We really do want to encourage editors like you to take part, so welcome to the wonderful world of creating this planet's greatest encyclopaedia! Nick Moyes (talk) 10:24, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

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I typically don't get riled up about this sort of thing, but looking at the rationale and where you got it, I'm not sure if you're allowed to have that picture... DARTHBOTTO _talk•cont 00:42, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

@DarthBotto: I labeled the image as a Non-free "blog pic" to signfiy that the image is not free. The image in question has also been used in several news sources including CNN and NBC News. Yoshiman6464 ^♫🥚 01:29, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

Draft:Daddyofive

I notice Draft:Daddyofive was deleted by @Drmies: on the grounds of " (G10: Attack page or negative unsourced BLP: serious BLP problems)" - Now we have a new article by a different user, Daddyofive, that is in the AFD process. If this article survives, what content from the deleted draft is acceptable and what content isn't? Also, Drmies, have you posted a detailed explanation on why that particular draft failed G10? I looked on Yoshiman6464's talk page and on the deleted talk page and didn't find any. It's good to clarify these matters so the userbase can better understand how to write articles on controversies like this without falling afoul of WP:BLP. WhisperToMe (talk) 19:26, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

• WhisperToMe, there is no "controversy", and if you had admin glasses you would see that the entire thing is completely unacceptable. Not only did I delete the content, but DGG actually suppressed it--that's how bad it is. I'm sure you understand if I don't go into more detail. I don't know if there would have been much of a point in explaining this to User4268, whose only contribution was to create that draft, and I suppose I did not look very carefully at the history, but I do agree that Yoshiman should have been warned that this kind of material falls foul of the BLP. No, we're not going to salvage anything from that deleted version. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 20:53, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

@Drmies: @DGG: Controversy by the Wikipedia article's own definition is "Controversy is a state of prolonged public dispute or debate, usually concerning a matter of conflicting opinion or point of view." - Media coverage in this case occurred for around a month and was covered very publicly. I believe this would qualify.

As an admin I believe you can't just delete it, especially when an ordinary man or woman would see the various newspaper articles published covering the subject publicly, without further comment to the article author. Deletion of sensitive material that violates BLP of course needs to come first. However you need to explain, to the public, how and why this violated policy or they won't understand why you did this (while also being careful not to violate the subject's BLP), and therefore won't learn from it. If, as an article author, you had worked on an article for say a few days or a week and it's deleted without further comment, you would be mystified and rather upset. It's best to give an explanation especially because it's BLP, because you don't want the author to do this again, and because you want the public to understand why this happened and to learn from it.

However as an admin I am also aware that it would be very easy to cross the line with this kind of subject. A longtime editor may be able to understand this and take an afternoon to review WP:BLP before writing it, but a novice may not realize how much of a minefield this is and how easy it is to screw up. Among the possible issues with a case like this (I haven't examined the draft to see exactly whether/which issues are involved the revisions are deleted so I can't say exactly which lines were crossed):

• It is extremely sensitive to discuss minors (in this case it may be necessary to not give specifics, but instead tell people to not name minors, focus on minors, etc. - make it a very generalized explanation/critique so no shaming/BLP violations occur)
• WP:BLP requires that one must not use court documents directly as a source
• Citing YouTube videos not made by professional media sources and/or directly citing the subject's YouTube videos themselves would be a no-no
• WP:BLP states that for one cannot post an accusation that a relatively "unknown" person committed a crime - I'm not sure to what degree a YouTuber would become no longer relatively "unknown" person. The subject was never charged in a court of law, further complicating this issue.
• I'm sure there are far more, but these are just alone the issues I can see with an article like this

If you feel it's impossible to cover the subject without falling afoul then it's also very important a statement is publicly made explaining how/why this is the case, because ordinary people may not know/realize/understand that. The average person is going to see a chain of newspaper/magazine articles about, say, a controversy involving a popular YouTuber and believe Wikipedia needs an article on that. He/she would be surprised to see "WP:BLP" at all (people are often not very informed), let alone a deletion without explanation. I would hand an explanation on a silver platter and tell the world why these kinds of articles can't be written without violating BLP.

BTW I went in to look at the revisions and found they're deleted, so I don't know exactly which mistakes were made with the article, whether it's bad sources/lack of sources, poor wording, discussion of minors, or any other issue. I believe people need to learn how and why this happened.

WhisperToMe (talk) 23:45, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

@WhisperToMe: I didn't create the original draft article, I added sources / information that could be found from reliable sources (eg. Washington Post). However not even these sources could help the article become a part of Wikipedia, due to the subject matter involved. Yoshiman6464 ^♫🥚 23:59, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Ahh... sorry. Realized the author was @User4268:. Anyway let me look at his/her user talk page. There's no message about this at User_talk:User4268. I feel it's especially important that this user is personally notified about how/why this is a problem even if he/she doesn't come back to Wikipedia. WhisperToMe (talk) 00:01, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

• Being careful not to violate BLP, I'll tell you that this was a serious violation of BLP, serious enough to require oversighting. Yoshiman, if you don't see how that was the case, I suggest you think about it more carefully--and I hope you understand at least this much, that I cannot discuss any of those details with you on-wiki. DGG, perhaps you have more patience than I do. Drmies (talk) 01:05, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
• WhisperToMe, you are an administrator. I don't understand why I have to explain this to you. Drmies (talk) 01:07, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Writer's Barnstar
	Thanks for writing and creating the Trump: The Art of the Comeback page. Sagecandor (talk) 06:12, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

+1. Thanks for your work on several Trump book articles. It'd be nice to see articles for most of the works listed at Bibliography of Donald Trump. Keep up the great work! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:17, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

@Another Believer: You're welcome. Just today, I created a page for Newt Gingrich's Understanding Trump because his work topped The New York Times' Hardcover Non-Fiction Best Sellers list on July 2. Yoshiman6464 ^♫🥚 18:25, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

CNN controversies

The section you added is duplicative — the article already discusses the issue in another section. I don't have a preference which section remains, but they do need to be merged so that we're not writing the same thing twice. Do you have a preference? If so, feel free to do the merger yourself. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 15:54, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

@NorthBySouthBaranof: I merged the sections to the specific journalist, Andrew Kaczynski. Yoshiman6464 ^♫🥚 15:58, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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	For quickly, accurately, concisely and fairly summing up a hot-button controversy involving sensitive living persons issues on both sides of the debate - nicely done. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 16:20, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

List of best-selling singles of the 19xxs in the United Kingdom

Forgive me, but I'm a bit puzzled by your labelling of the Music Week Anniversary Special as a "dubious source". Music Week is the official trade paper of the UK music industry, and the only publication to carry the official UK charts. The 2009 Anniversary Special was a special edition to mark Music Week's 50th anniversary, and contained the top ten for each decade as calculated by the Official Charts Company. So I'm not sure how much more official and verifiable a source you can get for these charts. Richard3120 (talk) 18:51, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

@Richard3120: I am not calling "Music Week" dubious; I am calling it's 50th anniversary issue a dubious source. I couldn't find a copy of the 50th anniversary issue anywhere on the internet. In fact, when I type in the exact phrase, "1959-2009: Anniversary Special", on Google, I only get links to the Wikipedia. I also couldn't find the issue on the archives of the Music Week website (around 18 September 2009) as seen here. Unless I could find the exact copy of the issue (with its ISBN number), I would have to label it as dubious. Yoshiman6464 ^♫🥚 18:59, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

Um... well, I can tell you it certainly exists, because I've seen it in the flesh (as it were) and used it for the charts – there's a copy in the British Library in London. But as I'm not in the UK at the moment, I will have to wait until I get there to check its ISBN number. It certainly won't be on the internet in digital form, because it was a special issue, not part of Music Week's normal issues. Richard3120 (talk) 19:10, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

Thank you. I also found that you have begun adding the source around October 2015 (for example, for Bohemian Rhapsody). I was just skeptical since the book itself isn't easy to find. Yoshiman6464 ^♫🥚 19:12, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

http://www.musicweek.com/news/read/music-week-celebrates-landmark-birthday-with-50-years-of-coverage/040699 Richard3120 (talk) 19:22, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

I removed the dubious label because of this URL. Again, thank you very much. Yoshiman6464 ^♫🥚 00:24, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

Actually I must thank you: that URL suggests that the anniversay special was a pull-out supplement included in the 19 September 2009 issue, and not a stand-alone special issue – if it's the former that would explain why you couldn't find any reference to it online. I need to check this the next time I go to the British Library (probably in October) – the anniversary special is certainly by itself away from the main collection of Music Week issues, but maybe that's because the staff had pulled the supplement out. The easiest way to check if it was a stand-alone issue or not will be if it has a price on the front cover, and if the 19 September issue mentions a pull-out supplement inside.

Trying to get accurate official decade-end charts in the UK, particularly for the 1970s and the 1990s, has been a difficult task, so I'm keen to get them 100% verifiable! Thanks again. Richard3120 (talk) 14:25, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

I've now been to the British Library and checked, and you are correct: it wasn't a special issue, it was a pull-out supplement included in the 19 September 2009 issue of Music Week. I've updated the articles with the corrected wording. Thanks for noticing this – no hard feelings whatsoever for the original tagging, very happy for anybody to point out errors so we can get these lists absolutely 100% correct and verifiable. Richard3120 (talk) 15:42, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

@Richard3120: You are very welcome. I would also like to thank you for verifying at the Library itself. I knew that the sources might be valid at the time, but labeled them dubious because I couldn't find the issue under the exact title listed originally. Yoshiman6464 ^♫🥚 16:20, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

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List of Most Viewed Videos

The section you want removed is updated according to the YouTube site view counts and the top 100 list. It does not constitute Original Research. Actual administrators have had no problem with this section. Please stop attempting to remove it. Dramaticmusic (talk) 02:41, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

Also, you state that directly linking to YouTube videos is violation of WP:OR, but if this was the case, the entire article- including the top 100 and historical most viewed videos- is a violation and should be nominated for deletion. Since you haven't taken this step, your edits appear subjective, favouring particular parts of the article. Dramaticmusic (talk) 02:48, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

@Dramaticmusic: Did you talk to any administrators? Also, the entire article does NOT violate WP:OR since various news sources commentate the most viewed videos of all time. However, since news-wide "Top 10" lists are not well-updated, it is alright to cite other videos with similar rankings, but not anything else. Yoshiman6464 ^♫🥚 02:49, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

To ask them whether they had issues with that part of the article? No, I relied on the fact that administrators have edited the article and pulled up people who vandalise it, and even though they've seen it, you're the first to raise a problem with it. And it's okay to use an out-of-date and therefore invalid source if you also (according to your comment) violate Original Research rules at the same time? That doesn't make any sense. Dramaticmusic (talk) 02:53, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

@Dramaticmusic: The issue is that the only source for the list of annual YouTube videos is from the "MyTop100Videos" channel, and this section detracts from the main focus of the article (which is the "Most Viewed Videos of All Time"). Also, the use of the "MyTop100Videos" source was seen as problematic when this article failed to be nominated as a featured article, as seen Here. Also, in that failed nomination, the article needs to focus more on the videos on the list itself instead of adding more charts that detract from the main purpose of the chart. Therefore, I have undid the edits again. Yoshiman6464 ^♫🥚 03:53, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

There are several more sources than that; each video has a link to its YouTube page, which displays its view count, which is used along with other sources for the top 100 chart, and the 'most viewed by year of release' chart is based on the top 100 listed above it. Also, the article's name doesn't specifically mean 'all time', so having a second chart for most viewed by year of release doesn't at all detract from the article. Dramaticmusic (talk) 05:58, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

@Dramaticmusic: I get that are several more sources, but all of these sources are just links to the original YouTube video, which again violates WP:OR Plus, unlike the "most viewed videos of all-time" list, there are no secondary sources that analyze the top videos per year. In addition, using your logic that the article's name isn't called "List of most viewed YouTuhe videos of all time", you could also add a similar list to some of the other YouTube-related lists. Yoshiman6464 ^♫🥚 13:50, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

I also started a discussion on the Main wikipage. Yoshiman6464 ^♫🥚 14:41, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

Help me!

"Notability on List of most viewed YouTube videos"

I was requested by PSNFinozzi1696 to get some help from you. I was wondering about the level of WP:Notability used on the page, List of most viewed YouTube videos. I tried arguing that I wanted to remove one category, or "By year of release", since the entire section consists of WP:OR and doesn't really add anything to an overall "List of most viewed YouTube videos". I also was wondering the appropriate length of the article. In other words, the number of videos present on the list, as argued on the article's discussion page. Yoshiman6464 ^♫🥚 04:05, 10 September 2017 (UTC) Yoshiman6464 ^♫🥚 04:05, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

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I've just tagged the page, using our page curation tools, as having some issues to fix. Amazon is an unreliable source so can you replace it with reviews from newspapers, magazines, reliable websites, thanks

The tags can be removed by you or another editor once the issues they mention are addressed. If you have questions, you can leave a comment on my talk page. Or, for more editing help, talk to the volunteers at the Teahouse.

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@Atlantic306: I didn't create the page; I only created the redirect to the first novel. Yoshiman6464 ^♫🥚 00:06, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

Sorry about that Atlantic306 (talk) 00:10, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

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DO NOT CHANGE THE LIST OF MOST VIEWED VIDEOS IN THE FIRST 24 HOURS!!

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SInce you say that "kworb" is not reliable, I will take Ready for it off the list.

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My name is Ramesty (real name Riley) and I know you work on Nintendo related articles. I was wondering if you would give me some help and advice (or possibly even to write part of it) on the following draft I'm working on Draft:Paper Mario (series). Thank you! Ramesty (talk) 04:33, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

@Ramesty: I could help some. By the way, how did you find me? Yoshiman6464 ^♫🥚 04:34, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

Well, there are two ways I found you (1) I decided to look up Donald Trump tonight and found you in the "edit history" section and (2) I remembered your name from a while back when I looked to see who created some Mario page (I can't remember which one (article) it was, it could have been the Mario page, Mariokart page, Paper mario page.) When I saw your name on Donald Trump's page tonight, I remembered you, and that's why I asked you. Ramesty (talk) 04:47, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

In my personal opinion, I thought the Paper Mario series deserved a better place than what it has currently. That's why I made it. Ramesty (talk) 04:51, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

I think it needs more writing and more references. Do you agree? Ramesty (talk) 04:57, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

I agree. I would also include a box that includes all the review scores for the game, similar to the Reception section in the Super Mario article. There are several articles that discuss the Paper Mario series as a whole, such as "A Decade in the Life of Paper Mario" and "What Sets Mario RPGS Apart". I would find more articles, but It's getting a bit late. Yoshiman6464 ^♫🥚 05:20, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks! Ramesty (talk) 06:02, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

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Looks much better on the image crop, it's been forever since I worked on wikipedia. Wanted to try to include one of the professional renditions as well, especially since many of them refined the design a little namely with a tail not in ayyk92's, think the Goblin Slayer one should suffice?--Kung Fu Man (talk) 05:56, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

I believe it does. Especially when it was reimagined by a notable Japanese manga artist. Yoshiman6464 ^♫🥚 15:35, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

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