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Synthese

Hi, you're certainly better acquainted with philosophy than me (even though I have Russell's "History of Western Philosophy" currently on my nightstand - I shit you not, at least a year :-). Could you have a look at this article and it's recent history and tell me whether I really am wrong about this? --Randykitty (talk) 18:17, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Hmm I'm reading a novel about Kant, almost done! And in German! I reverted--I believe you are correct. I could say more, but I gotta go to class; I'll try to weigh in on the talk page later today or tomorrow. Drmies (talk) 18:41, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Copyright issues with an editor you thanked

Hi Drmies. I noticed that in December last year you left a note of thanks on User talk:Alcuin regarding their addition to a particular Neil Young article. Not sure you noticed or are aware of the significant copyright violations in most of their edits—they have copied entire (often block quote) paragraphs from multiple sources on each article they've edited, which I think is a significant WP:COPYVIO issue. They have done this on what seems like most of Young's, Aerosmith's, and now the Moody Blues' album articles. I've left a note on their talk page about using quotes and the amount of them in moderation and paraphrasing, but I thought in lieu of raising this at CCI or somewhere (not sure it's at that level), if you get time you might like to go through Young's articles they've contributed to and cut down some of their quote additions. Some of the quotes appear unnecessary—while it may be interesting to fans of his work, I'm not sure we need to quote the artist on every facet of an album's production and recording. I've already done a few. Ss112 05:40, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Can you give me a couple of diffs? Drmies (talk) 13:16, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Extensive lifting of whole paragraphs from sources in: [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], [9], [10]... that's just from a quick scan of their contributions. Ss112 15:10, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      • I just came from looking at Tonight's the Night (Neil Young album), hadn't seen your response yet--yes, those long quotes probably violate NOTFREE, plus citations are problematic. I was wondering, a few weeks ago (when I started my latest non-stop Tonight's the Night cycle), where the unverified information about the songs came from --now I see it. Alcuin, we need to get to work on this. Drmies (talk) 15:47, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      • Time to call in the expert. Diannaa, would you mind having a look? For instance this, already reverted by Ss112, seems like a violation of NOTFREE to me. Is it enough to revdelete? I think this is OK, right? Drmies (talk) 15:49, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
        I would not do revision deletion for excessive quotations, though I would likely remove some or tag for over-quoations. — Diannaa (talk) 23:22, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your efforts being discussed at BLPN

Just giving you a heads-up -- Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#oscar_isaac -- Nat Gertler (talk) 13:18, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Thank you Nat. Drmies (talk) 13:22, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • I've NOTHEREd the user.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:23, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      • That's swift action, Bbb. Drmies (talk) 13:27, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
        • Umm, do you think it was too swift? BTW, I haven't reverted the user's latest petition edits, mainly because it feels WP:INVOLVED, but shouldn't they be reverted per WP:ARBECR?--Bbb23 (talk) 14:06, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
          • As the designated admin who handles the ARBPIA stuff, I took care of that. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:10, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
            • I will note that I reverted one insertion at Wallace Shawn (not on an ARBECR basis, just on UNDUE), which was then restored by another, more-experienced-than-the-inserter user. Whether that should be kept is a separate decision. (The issue is on a talk page; so far, only myself and the restore have waded into the discussion.)
            • If you folks don't mind my not-entirely-uninvolved viewpoint, while Ithe edits should be undone and curtailed, I think both the giving of a final vandalism warning for edits that were not individually vandalism and the harsh sentence delivered are not fully justified by these wrong-but-not-ridiculously-unencyclopedic edits by a (supposed, I'm a bit suspicious -- these edits come a day after another user was criticized for introducing the same claims from the same months-old source) newby. That's just INGHO. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 14:54, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
              • Nat Gertler, I hear you--there's no level 4 for "disruptive editing", unfortunately, and I would have used that, but in the end it doesn't really matter what that wording is. When you continue a serious streak like that and you don't listen and don't materially address the issue, a final warning seems fair to me; I don't know what a level 3 warning would have achieved. I can't speak for Bbb, but as an admin, I've seen such cases before and we know how they inevitably end; they're righting great wrongs, bypassing the fact that we're a collaborative environment. FWIW, I could not see any socking but it wouldn't be the first time that there are concerted group efforts to bring such content into a mass of articles (and perhaps this new account simply copied the text from other articles). What was that letter, a few years ago, signed by 80 or so academics concerted with academic freedom, and then they discovered the case wasn't so simple and many of them retracted that? That's the danger also of not adhering to NOTNEWS. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 15:19, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
                Fair 'nuff. There is certainly a legit range of views about long a piece of WP:ROPE is called for. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 15:28, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Data science sock

BSarara looks like another sock of Sambrama urs. - MrOllie (talk) 14:54, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Got it, thanks--and I found a few more, that you had already run into as well. Drmies (talk) 15:29, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Exciting stuff

You've got mail!-- Ponyobons mots 19:01, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • ssshhht...in the middle of an exam...modern American literature... ;) Drmies (talk) 19:03, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Well, "exciting" may be overselling it a bit lot. Mr. Ponyo's kids just finished their last exams on Tuesday, so I experience your world a teeny tiny bit.-- Ponyobons mots 19:16, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      • Ah, I see Yamla saw what I noticed as well. You can disregard the email entirely, if you wish.-- Ponyobons mots 19:21, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
        • Did you see my retag? --Yamla (talk) 19:22, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
          • Yup, which is what I was piecing together. "Get actions" can be very illuminating.-- Ponyobons mots 19:27, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
        • Emails from you are a balm for my soul. Oh, I see what this is about--that is a bit exciting. Drmies (talk) 19:23, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
          • Then I need to step up my game as the email was lame.-- Ponyobons mots 19:27, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
            • I'll be the judge of that. My students are doing quote analysis right now.

              he can back a car forty miles an hour into a tight squeeze and stop at the wall, jump out, race among fenders, leap into another car, circle it fifty miles an hour in a narrow space, back swiftly into tight spot, hump, snap the car with the emergency so that you see it bounce as he flies out; then clear to the ticket shack, sprinting like a track star, hand a ticket, leap into a newly arrived car before the owner’s half out, leap literally under him as he steps out, start the car with the door flapping, and roar off to the next available spot, arc, pop in, brake, out, run.

              Yes Yamla, Daddychill--that was very exciting and I figured how this was going to end. Still they played the split identity of the sockmaster well, for a while, no? Drmies (talk) 19:31, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

About SPI of CandyCola4444

Hello. Right after blocking ORIONIS EQUINOX, a brand new user with the same pattern of ORIONIS EQUINOX is editing Draft:Kharvela's conquests and invasions, User:Tikikam, was created recently, editing the same draft with the same pattern. Imperial[AFCND] 11:31, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • I blocked. Please add them to the SPI so they can be properly tagged. Drmies (talk) 13:01, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How tall am I?

Hey, could you take a look at Jacob Cowing? A new editor has been changing the height and weight and basing it on NFL Combine, even though the external links, ESPN and somebody else, say differently. And we're not talking about a minor difference in height, but 3". I've been posting warnings to the editor's Talk page, as well as some advice on what to do, but you know me and sports. I realize that Cowing is no longer a college footballer, but I'd hazard that you know more about professional football than I do, which is, as I've said repeatedly, nil. (This post was not generated with AI, but with the lower intelligence of a human (reportedly) being.)--Bbb23 (talk) 18:32, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Hmm NFL--sounds like a job for User:Jweiss11? Or, if all else fails, we call it American, and call in User:Muboshgu? I'll admit that I am actually more comfortable thinking in inches than in centimeters these days. I'm not proud of it. Drmies (talk) 01:25, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

MI High

Was in the process of deleting stuff on that article and saw the conflict message, thought to myself "here we go, some fan's restored it" but was pleasantly surprised to see someone else appearing and noticing it's a load of absolutely useless fan wiki trivia. Loved the description of "useless table porn" btw. Rambling Rambler (talk) 14:03, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Ha, sure thing, Rambling Rambler--sorry, didn't mean to steal the cheese from your sandwich, so to speak. I like the phrase too and I wish I could take credit for it. I just looked through the history: there were two very enthusiastic editors who added all that material over a decade ago. Thanks--I appreciate your help in cleaning up, and thanks for the note. After typing out your name I gotta go listen to the Allman Brothers, with a quiet nod to Dickey Betts. Drmies (talk) 14:06, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Well given how there was apparently only ever a single DVD of the show released (and only a partial season at that) I think we know who the sole purchasers of it were. The now-removed production section was almost entirely reliant on a single special feature from it... Rambling Rambler (talk) 14:09, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Something looks fishy

Hi,

You blocked トンボ酋長. Looking at the history of this draft, Wolfvillage raises red flags. Logs show they registered the account 15 February 2024 but have done absolutely nothing until now although their editing did start before your block of the other account. -- Whpq (talk) 03:24, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Apple RM

Thank you for closing Talk:Apple#Requested move 22 April 2024. I've removed the RM notice from Apple but RMCD bot keeps re-adding it. Does the close need to be tweaked in some way to stop this? (The problem may relate to a previous RM rather than the recent one.) Certes (talk) 15:59, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

THe move discussion needs to be closed with the usual closing templates. I think I've done that now. Let's hope the move request disappears from WP:RMCD at the next bot run. EdJohnston (talk) 16:10, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the note. Oh, I don't know what went wrong, but EdJohnston, I appreciate your help. Drmies (talk) 17:00, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Class project?

You welcomed] Delphi07 as a student apparently involved in a class project. Have you been able to identify the class or the teacher? Because during WP:RCP I've noticed a spike in activity in the area of socio-economics, including Delphi07's editing of Medical debt and Distribution of wealth as well as Briannahh's editing of Environmental racism. These edits all involve large blocks of changes involving copyright violations. I'd like to contact the teacher, if possible, and have them rein in their students' editing until proper copyright respect can be instilled. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 16:45, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Yeah, a colleague figured it out for me--the link is this, but MS won't let me open it now. It worked this morning. It's a project from Charles University in Prague. Drmies (talk) 16:59, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

IP

109.242.74.60 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Does this look like meatpuppetry/sockpuppetry to you? Another IP arrives while IP109.242.73.191 is still blocked, doing edits to Georgian topics.

Does this look like block evasion to you? --Kansas Bear (talk) 17:01, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • I think you should have a look at 109.242.72.0/22 and revert where necessary. Drmies (talk) 18:32, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Your e-mail

Hey Drmies, just a heads up that I haven't forgotten your 4/30 e-mail, but it is a greater challenge to my tired brain than other things, so it's still sitting in my inbox waiting for me to rise to the challenge. Thanks for your patience.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:38, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • No worries Bbb--maybe I was just venting anyway. Get some rest. ;) Drmies (talk) 18:39, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Easier said than done. I have time to "rest". I try to rest. But I don't rest (translate sleep).--Bbb23 (talk) 18:58, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      • I'm sorry Bbb. Have you exhausted the supply of "new" pharmaceuticals, including those not for sale in my state? Drmies (talk) 21:48, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
        • I avoid new and old pharmaceuticals. I'd much rather suffer.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:15, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Door Redactie/Redactie meaning

Hi Drmies, I have noticed UPE/suspected UPE editors citing articles published by nl.mashable.com. In the vast majority of instances, the by-line is Redactie. Some examples are this, this, this and this link to a list of recent articles by Redactie/Door Redactie. I get different Google translate results for "Redactie" such Editorial or Editorial Staff. What does it mean in this context? I also noticed looking at recent articles some are in Dutch and some in English. Is it normal for a Dutch publication to have some articles in Dutch and others in English (or a different language)? Happy Friday! S0091 (talk) 17:51, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • "Redactie" simply means "staff", yes. Sure, the Dutch know English, and while I don't read any bilingual publications myself, I'm sure they exist. But I would NOT accept Mashable articles (any of the ones that I just looked at) as acceptable sources: it seems to me that it's all marketing-driven. Look at this shit, for instance, written by the same "Redactie". This is just an ad for this. Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources has a note on it--and I haven't seen anything on it yet that is not "sponsored content". That movie review for The Fall Guy has a by-line, but no one should cite that here. Drmies (talk) 21:42, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • OK I saw the article created by Wellington. Are there more? Drmies (talk) 21:47, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • This started with Justin Jin (entrepreneur) created by User:Deondernemers (AfD, last batch of socks listed at User talk:Blablubbs#Shewasafairy). Deondernemers states on their user page their wife works for Mashable and they used it for the JJ article [11] along with Draft:Poybo Media (JJ's company) and Undetectable.ai [12]. I did an insource search for "nl.mashable.com" out of curiosity and that's how I found Wellington's articles along with articles created by other likely UPE editors such as 12Go and Andrew Masanto. Take a look at the glorious WP:CITEOVERKILL at Georgina Lara Booth. S0091 (talk) 15:39, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      • S0091, that last article is absolutely awful and I'm not done with it. In the meantime, and maybe you can pass this on to that section on Blablubbs's talk page, I blocked Wellington, a pretty obvious paid editor, for socking with User:Goodmans238; note the overlap which isn't huge but is significant. I ran another check or two but found no connection to the sockfarm(s) discussed in that section. Drmies (talk) 16:33, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
        I'm not sure they are connected but I'll leave a note for B just in case. Based on off-wiki research and what I see here, there are several publications that are for hire so used by various UPEs. Mashable is just one and the JJ articles serve as an excellent guide to several others. Every single source was paid for and much of what they say is at best stretching the truth if not pure bullshit. The other UPE tactic I've noticed is drumming up a "controversy", either fake or something mild, because they believe it will protect them from NPOV/UPE speculation and it does work as you can see with Wellington. Both EV.com and Gulstan Advisory passed NPP review. See also this example of having a controversy section being used as a reason to remove the UPE tag. Thanks for entertaining my rabbit hole. I know there's more to come as I keep digging. S0091 (talk) 17:10, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

IP block evasion

I recently noticed that a disruptive IP editor operating on the 6-month blocked 2003:C0:6F00:0:0:0:0:0/42 range has been utilizing the 2003:C0:6F00:0:0:0:0:0/41 range (despite the block notice for the /42 range being visible when viewing contributions from the /41 range). As the blocking admin, I request some sort of broadening of the net, if possible. Thank you, ~ Pbritti (talk) 03:42, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • OK, but I want you to know that I was the blocking admin. That person is persistent, aren't they. Drmies (talk) 13:18, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • My grammar was terrible there, as I was trying to be clear that you were the blocking admin. Clearly, I wasn't clear. Best and thanks, ~ Pbritti (talk) 13:34, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      • Gotcha. No problem. BTW I also found that notice to be confusing, and it's not the first time I see that. Thanks, and keep up the good work. Drmies (talk) 16:18, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
        • For some reason, it just occurred to me to ask: if it's a 6-month block that began 1 December (link), why is the notice still visible? Additionally, your most recently applied block is only visible when viewing individual IP's contributions on the /41 range—of no consequence but still odd. I feel like something funky must be occurring with the blocks on that particular range. In any case, best to you and thanks for your great help! ~ Pbritti (talk) 14:58, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
          • Pbritti, I don't know what to tell you. I checked the logs, including my own, and I see what you see but it also clearly says, when I try to confirm the block, "2003:C0:6F00:0:0:0:0:0/41 is already blocked". Strange--but again, I've seen similar strangenesses before... Drmies (talk) 15:04, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
            • Considering your experience with it and the fact it hasn't been a real problem, I'll not worry about it. Again, thanks for your help! ~ Pbritti (talk) 15:06, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
              I believe this may be because both /41 and /42 begin at "6F00". I don't think think the code is taking the /range portion into consideration at all, but just "blocks that apply to 2003:C0:6F00:0:0:0:0:0". If that's true, then the /42 is older so shows first. Someone smarter who's actually read the code could say more. -- ferret (talk) 15:11, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mistakes are being made

So, I'm back and I have this thing being written up. Any chance you'd be able get me a copy of Sandeep Ray's article about it? Or if there are any Dutch sources... — Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:57, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • YOURE BACK!!!! (tandfonline--probably not; I'll look for dutch sources later) Drmies (talk) 01:46, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Kinda, sorta. One person I'd met and one I'd cited extensively passed, so I cleaned up their articles enough for ITN, then I found myself writing about some other women's rights activists, and then ... boom. I'll try the desk for that Ray article.  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 01:50, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • And the quality of new articles in the Indonesian project has just gone up... JarrahTree 10:38, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      • Chris, my library actually has that journal (online), but not this issue--not until a year after publication. I'd ask the fine people at the WP:LIBRARY. Drmies (talk) 15:07, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      • Hmm I found a few hits, including in this book which looks interesting ;), but not much else. Apparently the VPRO had it on their site, and here is something really interesting (I'm watching). I'm sure you saw this already. Drmies (talk) 15:15, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
        • Thanks - I did manage to get the article through the Wikipedia Library; didn't realize we had this program up. I'm seeing that a lot of these references to Mecca are after I touched on Krugers in my thesis; nice to know I was on the vanguard! I'll take a look at those sources after work. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 15:33, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Seeming IP sock of block USER:SteveBenassi making POV edits and edit warring

Hello. I am unsure whether you are the one to contact about this or of the procedure. But I am messaging because I suspect the IP user https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/2601:444:300:B070:E90B:1155:46C0:DBB0 to be a sock of the user USER:SteveBenassi who was blocked for being WP:NOTHERE. I thought I might bring this to your attention because you were the one who blocked SteveBenassi last time.

The IP is now active on some of the same pages and engaged in edit warring and POV-pusging edits. Similarities include POV-pushing in favor of the minority views on Jewish genetics of Eran Elhaik and Yardumian and posting their studies on the Talk pages of a range of articles related to Jews (especially Genetic studies of Jews and Ashkenazi Jews), insistence on edit warring, ignoring revert explanations and objections to their changes, and a refusal to build WP:CONSENSUS.([13]), as well as WP:SOAPBOX-like starements in Talk pages. The same claim/insistence that, "Elhaik is a Zionist but is not biased." was also made by both this IP and the blocked user. See here [14]and here: [15]

[16]

SteveBenassi also claimed to be from Minnesota on his user page. And this IP geolocates to same region of the north Midwestern US.

Here is the article's revision history for reference. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Genetic_studies_of_Jews&action=history

Their edit warring seems to be getting worse. Any attention to this matter is appreciated. Skllagyook (talk) 12:31, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

BeauSuzanne

You told BeauSuzanne (talk · contribs) to lay off editing while logged out, but they're still at it, making drafts using unreliable sources and even voting on AfDs, which feels like they're trying to WP:GAMING. —Saqib (talk | contribs) 15:03, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Saqib. It wasn't me. I am not doing any edit outside of my account. I am active on my account.(BeauSuzanne (talk) 15:09, 6 May 2024 (UTC))[reply]
    How did you just appear out of nowhere? —Saqib (talk | contribs) 15:12, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Saqib You pinged them in your message. -- ferret (talk) 15:17, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Oh ok - but they've been inactive for over 6 hours now. —Saqib (talk | contribs) 15:23, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Saqib Pings can cause emails to a user. I personally turn that off but. -- ferret (talk) 15:32, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I am right here. And checking some articles.(BeauSuzanne (talk) 15:14, 6 May 2024 (UTC))[reply]
    • Oh I'm going to have to be stern. User:Saqib, there is NO technical evidence whatsoever that BeauSuzanne is socking. I will grant you that there are similarities, but please don't state as a fact what you can only hypothesize--again, there is NO evidence, and I just checked. I appreciate that you're trying to keep the place clean, but the IPs you are pointing at are not them--they do, of course, warrant scrutiny, and I'll ping Liz and User talk:ToadetteEdit so they know what they're dealing with. However, BeauSuzanne, there is a WEALTH of evidence that you have been editing while logged out, for a long time and in many articles. Marina Khan shows it, as do a host of other articles, so just stop that talk--and consider yourself lucky you weren't CU-blocked for logged-out collusion. Drmies (talk) 15:49, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      • Okay, I don't recall you specifically telling me that this IP range isn't linked with BeauSuzanne, otherwise, I wouldn't have accused them again. But I'm just curious, why isn't anyone bothering to look into behavioral evidence? Why do we have to rely solely on technical evidence? —Saqib (talk | contribs) 15:55, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
        • I didn't specify this or any other range, but I said last time there was no evidence of them socking, if I remember correctly. As for behavioral evidence--I didn't look at that because I don't really see the need to. The technical evidence tells me they're most likely not socking unless they travel a lot of miles very frequently, and for me that's all there is to it. If BeauSuzanne's editing is problematic, there are ways to address it. Keep in mind that, for many of us, socking doesn't really become interesting unless the edits are problematic. Does that make sense? Drmies (talk) 16:59, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
          • Yeah, that makes sense. And if you recall, I started a discussion on WP:AN and explained why I see their editing behavior as similar to paid editing, but it didn't get much attention, and it's now archived and such lack of action gives more encouragement to paid editors. —Saqib (talk | contribs) 17:11, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
            • Right. Well, AN and ANI, it's always a grab bag. You can try WP:COIN also... Drmies (talk) 17:30, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
              • Seriously? I'm not going to go down that route. After presenting my case at WP:AN, which unfortunately went unnoticed, I feel like another report on BeauSuzanne might lead people to think I'm personally attacking them, especially since BeauSuzanne has mentioned it several times now, even on Liz's tp. On a different note, some sock farms created and contributed extensively this page to WP:GAME and now my concerns have been confirmed because this IP range is defending their questionable sources and citing WP:PKRS as a reference. I'm just curious if this IP range can be checked for socking. —Saqib (talk | contribs) 17:42, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

BTW I don't think that the sourcing in Draft:Gumn is significantly worse than for comparable articles in article space. Drmies (talk) 21:52, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It appears you're focusing on quantity here. At first glance, the references seems sufficient, but upon closer examination, many of these sources fall into non RS category. While the remaining sources, which are considered RS lack sufficient coverage according to WP:SIRS. If you're up for it, I can evaluate each and every one of them for you. —Saqib (talk | contribs) 22:45, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've removed CRAP sources. They don't even meet the borderline criteria for WP:RS and can't be used for WP:V. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 11:36, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

FYI: Account you indef blocked is back on an alt to ask for an unblock

FYI: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:SpooderMan6920no1#May_2024 Pilaz (talk) 17:09, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page stalker) i opened an SPI -- Aunva6talk - contribs 20:26, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
aand they blocked -- Aunva6talk - contribs 21:53, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks--and thanks, Ponyo. Drmies (talk) 21:55, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

The Admin's Barnstar
Thank you for stopping the vandalism on the Wayne Brady page. You deserve this star for your effort. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 00:15, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I absolutely did not expect you to tell the sock account to "get a life". I laughed so hard. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 00:17, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I probably shouldn't have, but it's so sad. I'm the supposed "gender-confused moron", and he is the sad person who's got nothing better to do than to go from public place to library to coffeeshop, vandalizing articles. I'm at home, not confused about anything at all except for why the Knicks aren't up by ten points; he's being doing this lonely stuff probably since the last time the Pacers bead the Knicks in the conference semifinals. He hates women, he hates Black people, he hates successful people. Drmies (talk) 00:31, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's just like some people say: "Those punks will never learn." And yes, my brother goes to IU, so he's obviously supporting the Pacers. I mean, I sometimes watch NBA games, but for the most part , I'm not sure if the Pacers/Knicks are doing well this season. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 00:35, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
By the way, he's probably not done. Look at the writing, look at the size of the edit--don't revert, just report to AIV. If you revert, he reverts, and he gets off on that. Yeah I know, that's sad and crusty too. Drmies (talk) 00:32, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Did not see that after I wrote my comment above. Ack. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 00:35, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wherefore art thou English majors?

I saw this and thought of you. -- Ponyobons mots 17:21, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's the end, and yet I feel fine. Geoff | Who, me? 17:27, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ugh. You should see how badly my students did in Intro to Linguistics on basic matters of grammar and sound. Also, yeah, I'm sure we're not the only ones losing English majors--countdown to retirement. God I never thought I'd say that. Thanks Ponyo--I'll read it after my nap. ;) Drmies (talk) 17:38, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm at least glad that they retained English classes in high school (even though I'm about to go to college). I have no idea if they are going to keep English in schools, or if they'll just get rid of it entirely. The possibilities are endless NoobThreePointOh (talk) 18:18, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not an English major, but I will chime in to say that I'm feeling pretty useless as an Indonesian lit major in... a city with an Indonesian population of less than 300.  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 19:53, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah it's depressing. Funny, I know Cohen, the ASU dean--he works in my field and has written interesting material on monsters. There are so many factors here, like the lack of state funding, the fetishistic focus on STEM (at my wife's high school, teaching STEM gets you a 20k bonus), the enduring treatment of English faculty and English departments as service people--we get to teach the hard stuff, at half the salary, and the fad of Writing across the curriculum is probably over now because it turns out that the rest of the faculty can't teach writing and can barely write themselves, so it became English professors teaching everyone else how to write in their field.

No one talks or listens to the staff or the cleaning crew, and that's what we are, teaching freshman comp and lit survey--core curriculum, for as long as it lasts, and ChatGPT isn't helping. My colleagues in history have five years to bring up their number of graduating students, an impossible task given their current number of majors, which declines every year; in five years, they'll have to merge into something else. And a decade or more ago (there's much talk of institutional support and fancy new buildings in the article)--OK, 17 years ago, when I came to this place, the plans for a new Liberal Arts building were hanging in our conference room, but the old-timers were already laughing at that: a pipe dream. Ten years ago the repainted the room and quietly took the plans down; where that building was going to be are now a set of smaller labs, not far from the brand new science building. And of course we built a state of the art rec center because that, apparently, draws students. Ah well. The article included someone who was "late-career": I wouldn't have thought I'd feel that way so quickly. Drmies (talk) 21:38, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Likely IP sock of User:Sudsahab making PoV edits

Hello @Drmies. I wanted to inform you that an IP [17], likely a sock of User:Sudsahab, is trying to restore the article Northern Campaign of Raghunath Rao. It's likely that this will continue and so I suggest that you indefinite protect the page. PadFoot2008 11:42, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Hmm sorry, but there's no technical evidence for socking that I can see. Drmies (talk) 16:04, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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