User talk:Uness232/Archives/2023/August

Uhhhhhhh

Bro why was my edit reverted on "anti-LGBTQ" rhetoric. BarneyTheFarmy (talk) 12:38, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Read the edit history, but I'll copy it here for convenience:

Again, not how sourcing work in Wikipedia. The things you cite should not be generalized to a point where they are no longer supported by sourced material. See WP:SYNTH, and also WP:BRD. Uness232 (talk) 12:41, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

too many big words that I can't understand. English isn't my first language. Can you explain it more simple? BarneyTheFarmy (talk) 01:28, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

@BarneyTheFarmy, Essentially, the sources you use in an article must make the same point as what you are trying to say. If a source says "anti-LGBT rhetoric is rising" and "right-wing and religious people are increasingly focused on anti-LGBT rhetoric" you can not say "Anti-LGBT rhetoric mostly comes from right-wing religious people". The source needs to actually say that the majority of anti-LGBT rhetoric comes from these people. Uness232 (talk) 09:03, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

So if I wanna make an edit on "LGBTQ rhetoric" I just can't mention it comes from right-wing or religious people. Ok BarneyTheFarmy (talk) 03:46, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

No, you can say that, you just need sources that say that. Uness232 (talk) 06:29, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

On climate sections, Köppen Cfa/Csa

For about two years, I have been reverting the edits of a group of IPs that persistently add false/contradictory information on climate pages. This includes, but is not limited to Genoa, Ulcinj and Split. In all of these articles and more, there has been a push by a few IPs to add information on how cities with only one month below 30mm count as humid subtropical and not Mediterranean per the Köppen classification. This is untrue, as noted in reliable sources, as well as the Wikipedia page itself. Yet this cycle of editing is persistent, and while I attempted to reason in edit summaries earlier, there was no answer. I am not sure on what I am able to ask for in this situation, which is why I am writing this. Thanks, Uness232 (talk) 23:29, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

I'm not seeing those types of edits on those pages, and I think you may have accidentally linked to the wrong Split. If you provide diffs showing what you're talking about I can better evaluate if the level of disruption requires protection. In the future, you can ask for page protection at Requests for page protection, and if the disruption from a single IP or account is occuring in real time, you can ask for them to be blocked at WP:AIV. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 17:29, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

@ONUnicorn: see [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10]. And those are just from these pages, there are many more that I could dig up from my contributions page, which can be found concentrated around a few periods.

I am aware that requesting page protection is something I can do, but also keeping in mind the fact that the IP address keeps changing, I was wondering if there is something less disruptive that I could do/ask for. Uness232 (talk) 18:02, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the diffs. Since the IP address keeps changing, blocking the IP won't help. It looks like these edits tend to be a few months apart; in the first diff you are here in August reverting an edit from April. In the second it was December and you were reverting an edit from September. It seems the IP is making these edits approximately every 6 months and you are reverting them 3 or so months later. I'm concerned that no one else in the community (aside from you) is noticing and fixing these when they happen, meaning that for about half the time the article has wrong information in it. I see you opened a discussion on Talk:Mediterranean_climate#An_interpretive_issue,_I_suppose, but not directly on the talk pages of the affected articles.

I'm tempted to semi-protect the affected articles, but you say you were wondering if there is something less disruptive. The only thing less disruptive I can think of is to post to Wikipedia:WikiProject Geography and/or Wikipedia:Village pump (miscellaneous) asking people to put the pages on their watchlists and watch for this specific type of disruption. I could also try pending changes protection, but I'm not sure that would be enough. Pending changes reviewers would not necessarily be versed in climate classifications and may not realize that changing the climate classification is the type of disruption they are to be looking for in that article.

I do notice that of the 3 articles, the only one where there is an explicit citation for the climate classification is Ulcinj, and for some reason when I try to click on the link it does not open for me. I'm not sure if providing an explicit citation on the other two and fixing the one on Ulcinj would help matters, but it's worth a try.

Let me know if you want me to semi-protect them. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 19:50, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

@ONUnicorn, it is unfortunately difficult to watch large amounts of pages while only being occasionally active on Wikipedia. I believe that misapprehensions on this rule are common, especially due to disagreements about how to interpret the Mediterranean/humid temperate line in Köppen. Sourcing is also uncommon for Köppen types, as climate charts often override maps as they have higher accuracy, and the calculations made on climate charts are not considered SYNTH because of a years-old silent consensus.

None of the other options seem reliable enough to me. At this point, protecting these three pages, and others if more disruption happens seems to be the best option to me. Obviously that's not my decision to make though. I'll search using the exact wording they use from time to time, so that I don't miss disruptive edits. Uness232 (talk) 22:58, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

I've gone ahead and semi-protected all three pages for a period of one year. If you notice similar disruption on other pages or after the semi protection wears off, let me know or visit WP:RFPP. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 13:22, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Cheers

Hey, just wanted to let you know your contributions are worthwhile even when you run into disagreements. Sorry your energy is low, I hope everything is ok. Andwats (talk) 01:43, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

You reverted my edit on the "LGBT rhetoric" article where it says LGBT rhetoric is usually lly done by conservatives. It literally says that in one of the sources I linked so why did you revert my edit this time. The other one you removed kind of makes sense but what about the one you removed for no reason BarneyTheFarmy (talk) 22:56, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

@BarneyTheFarmy Perhaps I missed it, could you quote that from the article? Uness232 (talk) 22:59, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

I don't know if this is the right link but uhhhhhhh, I think this article mentions conservatives. https://abcnews.go.com/US/rise-anti-lgbtq-hate-extremism-captured-new-reports/story?id=100304706 BarneyTheFarmy (talk) 23:05, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

@BarneyTheFarmy Yes, but does it make the claim that you made? Uness232 (talk) 23:07, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

I think so, I didn't read the full article, but I think the title of the article says anti-LGBT rhetoric is rising, then it says something about conservative politicians. BarneyTheFarmy (talk) 23:11, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

@BarneyTheFarmy You should read the full article before citing it, and not use it if it does not make the claim that you want to make. Uness232 (talk) 11:01, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

merhaba

https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:ListFiles&limit=500&user=Modern+primat&ilshowall=1 burada ctrl+f ile "mezar" sözcüğünü aratıp ilgili görselleri maddelere ekler misiniz? ben açıkçası ingilizce vikipedi'de pek yapamadım yav.. 1 saattir uğraştım, 10 tane ekleyebildim... ama eklenecek..... daha..... 100 vardır hahah, kolaygelsin. umarım yaparsınız :/. ----modern_primat ඞඞඞ ^TALK 14:47, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

@Modern primat

Merhaba. Planladığınız değişikliğin harcanacak çabaya değmeyeceğini düşünüyorum. WP:POLICY'ye karşı değil, isterseniz yapabilirsiniz, lâkin gereğini de görmüyorum. Uness232 (talk) 15:36, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

mis gibi mezar fotoları... maddeye doğrudan katkısı olacak... neyse, yapmak istersiniz diye düşündüm.. benim için zor olacak..... görüşürüz. ----modern_primat ඞඞඞ ^TALK 15:41, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Fijian/ iTaukei

Hi,

We keep going back and forth over the term for the language on the Fiji page. It's in the constitution as iTaukei. Where are you getting that the language should be Fijian? And I also created a discusion over at the Fijian language talk page. Here's the link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Fijian_language Wkpdsrnm2023 (talk) 15:43, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

@Wkpdsrnm2023 Wikipedia articles are named after the most common name. The constitution does not necessarily matter if most sources use Fijian, which in the language article, they do. I will revert the change for now -- please do not revert back until the dispute resolves per WP:BRD, and for this dispute, it could be better to start a move request (accidentally called it an RfC before, which is something else, you should make a move request), which will undoubtedly bring more people to the table.

However, your RM will likely only be accepted if third party sources use iTaukei and not Fijian. Similar discussions have happened in Turkey for example, despite the official name of the country being Türkiye, Wikipedia keeps the common, unofficial name. Uness232 (talk) 15:56, 24 August 2023 (UTC)