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Teahouse edit

Did you perhaps intend this edit to be at the end of WP:TH#Visual Editing rather than WP:TH#Is it concern if draft doesn't show up in search?? --David Biddulph (talk) 09:52, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. Not sure how that happened. I was sure I clicked the right reply link to this inquisitive, but not yet hugely productive user. Nick Moyes (talk) 10:02, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

A beer for you!

Thank you for your help! Table at dorsia (talk) 14:16, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

December 2021 at Women in Red

Women in Red | December 2021, Volume 7, Issue 12, Numbers 184, 188, 210, 214, 215, 216


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List of best-selling manga (someone changes it even though sources say opposite)

Hello I read both Naruto & Detective Conan sources in the list. Naruto Shueisha (official publisher) source says it has "sold" 250 million copies, Detective Conan one says "it has 250 million copies in circulation worldwide (including copies not sold)" Naruto should be above as of now. But User:Yujoong changing the order. He first removed Mangaplus/Shueisha source (most reliable source) Now both User:Yujoong and Creating User:Cosmo Sentinel changing the order everyday as they want. Can you prevent or warn them ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ruderhymer (talk • contribs) 12:20, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, I have no interest in these topics, though you do appear to be WP:EDITWARRING, which is a blockable offense if it continues. Rather than post the same request on multiple administrators' pages, discuss content matters on the article talk page, or take your concerns of editor misbehaviour to WP:ANI. Be advised that your own editing behaviour will be scrutinised just as closely as anyone else. Thank you. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:19, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

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21:13, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (November 2021).

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  • Unregistered editors using the mobile website are now able to receive notices to indicate they have talk page messages. The notice looks similar to what is already present on desktop, and will be displayed on when viewing any page except mainspace and when editing any page. (T284642)
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A cheeseburger for you!

Hope you're not vegetarian! But if you are, I'll just send more cookies.

Plus, don't tell anyone, but it's only a digital "cheese burger." ♥Th78blue (They/Them/Their • talk)♥ 23:01, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Administrators will no longer be autopatrolled

A recently closed Request for Comment (RFC) reached consensus to remove Autopatrolled from the administrator user group. You may, similarly as with Edit Filter Manager, choose to self-assign this permission to yourself. This will be implemented the week of December 13th, but if you wish to self-assign you may do so now. To find out when the change has gone live or if you have any questions please visit the Administrator's Noticeboard. 20:06, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Serial comma edit warrior

Hi Nick, A couple of days ago you blocked the IP 2600:100F:B047:FA3C:1D7E:E7C9:A259:EF4C (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) for edit warring on serial commas across several pages. The block was for 31 hours, and as soon as it lifted ... guess what? Back on the same range he's now at 2600:100F:B056:8DF5:CDAB:FDA9:2C35:1CF5 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) to do the same thing again. 2A00:23C7:2B86:9800:86F:FE39:5743:782D (talk) 10:01, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

ps. I opened a talk page thread when the first set of reverts were going on, but he's ignored that entirely. 2A00:23C7:2B86:9800:86F:FE39:5743:782D (talk) 10:02, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
Thank you. I've block their /64 range for a week. Because your own IPv6 address repeatedly changes (which is often normal), could you link to which talk page you're referring to, please? Cheers Nick Moyes (talk) 10:21, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
Sorry - should have remembered that! They were on No Time to Die on the last revert; you'll see the thread I opened at Talk:No_Time_to_Die#Use_of_serial_commas_in_the_lead and the advice and warning I left them last time at User talk:2600:100F:B047:FA3C:1D7E:E7C9:A259:EF4C#No Time to Die. Thanks 2A00:23C7:2B86:9800:86F:FE39:5743:782D (talk) 10:31, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
Thank you. I'd already added that page to my watchlist for the next 3 months, but wasn't sure if it was one of the other articles you were referring to. (I also had a moment of panic as I thought I'd accidentally blocked you instead! There's something about IPv6 address that brings out the dyslexic in me, I think.) Please contact me again if you see this behaviour repeating, and I appreciate you opening the talk page thread, too. Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 10:36, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
  • Hi Nick, what I think is the same IP is back on the same course bit on two IP addresses (both of which are geographically close) and both on pages he’s been around before. One is here and one is here, where the article was finally protected because the edit warred so much. Thanks again for your help on this. 213.205.194.4 (talk) 08:42, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Unexplained removal of text

Please see recent history of Bruton. Now logging out again. PamD 06:17, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you. I've dealt with it. Nick Moyes (talk) 22:57, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

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22:26, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Blocked IP editor is back

Just so you know, the IP you blocked 174.246.82.87 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) is back as 174.246.52.88 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) and 174.246.82.112 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) with the same type of editing. – wallyfromdilbert (talk) 18:47, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Green Links

Hi, I once remember that you told me that you can turn links green. Can you please tell me how you do so ― ItcouldbepossibleTalk 12:24, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

@Itcouldbepossible Crikey - that took me some finding! I had to work through all my Preferences, js and css files to find it for you. Turns out it was a trick I picked up two years ago at Wikipedia:Tip of the day/March 17. Hope you like it. Nick Moyes (talk) 11:10, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
@Nick MoyesThanks Nick. I really don't find words to thank you. You had so much to work to find the thing I wanted. And thanks again, because I came to know of Tip of the Day thing. I really did not know about it. ― ItcouldbepossibleTalk 05:46, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

I am an idiot

Apologies for this, the rollback button decided to appear right when I was clicking a diff link in my watchlist 🤦 — Berrely • Talk∕Contribs 14:29, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

no worries. 'tis easily done. Nick Moyes (talk) 15:47, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

Songs of the season

Holiday cheer
Here is a snowman a gift a boar's head and something blue for your listening pleasure. Enjoy and have a wonderful 2022 NM. MarnetteD|Talk 15:27, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

Joyous Season

I wish that you may have a very Happy Holiday! Whether you celebrate Christmas, Hanukkah, Kwanzaa, Hogmanay, Festivus or your hemisphere's Solstice, this is a special time of year for almost everyone! May the New Year provide you joy and fulfillment! Thanks for everything you do here. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:03, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

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On not seeing what the other editor is not seeing

Me: Just look at the FAQ (or other "warning" thing) at the top of the article talkpage!

Oe:I see no FAQ, where is it!?

Me: For fuck's sake... Merry Christmas to you too, NM Demo. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:20, 20 December 2021 (UTC) I couldn't see the FAQs in mobile view either - just in desktop view. Merry Xmas to you, too. NM Demo (talk) 10:50, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

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22:04, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

Holiday greetings (2021)

Nick,
I sincerely hope your holiday season goes well this year especially with what we went through last year. I'm optimistic that 2022 will be a better year for all of us: both in real life and on Wikipedia. Wishing you the best from, Interstellarity (talk) 19:05, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

WikiProject Tables

Sorry for bothering you again. I don't know if I am sane or not, but I wanted to know if there was such a project or anything other thing called WikiProject Tables? I have now grasped the concept of tables, and love creating and modifying complex tables. Is there a place or project where I can hone this skill by modifying tables or by creating tables using the data provided? ― ItcouldbepossibleTalk 13:03, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

I'm afraid the nearest fit I could find is Wikipedia:WikiProject Templates, but that's still way off. Or try browsing through the archives at Help talk:Table for interesting past threads. I know there are places where people can request graphics, but I've never seen one for people seeking help with creating tables. of course, yuu could always ask at WP:VPT, I guess. I've you've done some good ones, feel free to link me to a few of them, though I'm pretty rubbish at doing anything too fancy. Cheers, NM Demo (talk) 13:44, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
@NM Demo Thanks Nick ― ItcouldbepossibleTalk 06:24, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

Season’s Greetings

 Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!

Hi Nick Moyes, Have an enjoyable holiday season! Cassiopeia talk 09:31, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

File:Christmas tree in field.jpg Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2022!!

Hello Nick, warm wishes to you and your family throughout the holiday season. Thank you all you do. Whispyhistory (talk) 13:42, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Revdel request

Hi Nick, please delete this. Thanks! S0091 (talk) 23:33, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

@S0091 Done. Merry Christmas! Nick Moyes (talk) 23:42, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
You too, Nick and all the best in the New Year! S0091 (talk) 23:50, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

I'm back!!!!

Hi Nick. This is Colman2000. I was recently just unblocked from editing Wikipedia today and I am so glad to be back! I hope you had a wonderful Christmas and hope you have a wonderful New Year 2022. If you want to check on me on my talk page every once in a while, please feel free to do so, because I absolutely enjoy working with you. Thanks man! Greetings from Aloha, Oregon United States, Colman2000 (talk) 17:05, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Not like this, I hope! Nick Moyes (talk) 11:59, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

AWB

Hi, Nick. I am come here for your opinion, since I find you one of the most valuable administrators of Wikipedia, and also a good decision taker. Do you think, that I will be able to handle the auto wiki browser? I mean depending on my position, will I be capable of handling the Auto Wiki Browser? Seeking your valuable suggestion. ItcouldbepossibleTalk 11:34, 28 December 2021 (UTC) I have already read WP:AWB/MAN and all its related documentation.

@Itcouldbepossible That depends what you want to use it to do. You would need to explain your need.
I had it installed on my previous PC before I became an admin, but don't have it now. It was scarily powerful, and hard to understand. I only used it for mass-fixing of common typos like accomodation->accommodation, and wouldn't (and probably still wouldn't today) feel I knew enough to use most of the very powerful tools it has to offer. It's hard to say whether I'd recommend it to you at this point in time. On balance, I'd say that you're still seem to be on too much of a learning curve and probably don't need it. It's not a right I'd imagine any admin giving if it was purely to experiment with, and would suggest you first read WP:ENGVAR and then visit WP:TYPO if you wanted it for helping out fixing spelling matters. Nick Moyes (talk) 11:57, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
Well, I am going to use it to make categorizing edits, and sort of tedious spelling errors. ItcouldbepossibleTalk 12:09, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

January 2022 with Women in Red

Happy New Year from Women in Red Jan 2022, Vol 8, Issue 1, Nos 214, 216, 217, 218, 219


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Thanks

Thanks, that makes sense. I was assuming a formal link. -- Pete Best Beatles (talk) 00:20, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

Sorry and Thank You. Please forgive me. (Enjoy the Festive Season)

Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2022!

Hello Nick Moyes, may you be surrounded by peace, success and happiness on this seasonal occasion. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Sending you heartfelt and warm greetings for Christmas and New Year 2022.
Happy editing,
ItcouldbepossibleTalk 12:57, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

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Just Another Rev Del Request

Hi Nick. Would you please delete this revision. It is not a vandalism. It is true, but a political edit. It was used by one of the competing prime ministers of India to acknowledge the current minister. You can search by the particular phrase on google for verification. Thanks ItcouldbepossibleTalk 14:32, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

I don't feel that needs revdel-ing. It's been removed from the article and the translation I get is not sufficiently offensive or revealing to merit it. But let me know if I've misunderstood anything. Nick Moyes (talk) 15:40, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
Please take the right decision after reading this page. Thanks. ItcouldbepossibleTalk 05:55, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
Ok thanks. I’ve read the article on that political slogan, which you’ve asked me to revdel. I stand by my view (admittedly from a different cultural background) that it does not meet criterion 2 of WP:REVDEL. The fact that the edit was removed from the page seems sufficient, and the article on the slogan did not indicate any wider offence caused to a particular ethnic group or religion. Sorry Nick Moyes (talk) 09:43, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

Saulo Oliveira S.

Saulo Oliveira S. nominated at AfD. Given five Declineds, I doubt the creator (either subject or COI) would have been interested in draftified. David notMD (talk) 05:35, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

I think you’re right. But it seemed reasonable to invite a coi editor to choose between a rock and a hard place! Nick Moyes (talk) 09:35, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

Happy New Year

Happy New Year, Nick Moyes!

Happy New Year!

Nick Moyes,
Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.
ItcouldbepossibleTalk 02:58, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

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ItcouldbepossibleTalk 02:58, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

Thankyou

thankyou soo much for solving my query and helping me. Stobene45 (talk) 12:08, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

Saulo Oliveira S. again

The creating editor pulled a nasty trick at the AfD for Saulo Oliveira S.. By removing the period after the S in the article title in the AfD notice, all of the AfD vanished, and the creating editor replaced it with a plea to not delete the article. I reverted this, and warned the editor on Talk page that this could lead to an indefinite block and the topic being 'salted.' I have seen editors delete AfD notices, but that shows up in the AfD View history. By changing the name of the article inside the AfD, the AfD View history content vanished. Only after I reverted the change to the article itself did the AfD content reappear. David notMD (talk) 23:18, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – January 2022

News and updates for administrators from the past month (December 2021).

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  • Following consensus at the 2021 RfA review, the autopatrolled user right has been removed from the administrators user group; admins can grant themselves the autopatrolled permission if they wish to remain autopatrolled.

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A barnstar for you!

The Barnstar of Diligence
Your diligence at the Teahouse is deserving of something better than a Barnstar. Thank you for your diligence, you have been an inspiration to all of us. Celestina007 (talk) 17:36, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
@Celestina007 Thank you. You are too kind. In fact I think you deserve a Barnstar for your own contributions far more than I do. Please keep it up - I love seeing you helping people in the way that you do! Nick Moyes (talk) 23:45, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
Oh boy! Now you gonna make me blush. Thanks for the kind words mate it is appreciated. Celestina007 (talk) 13:51, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Special Barnstar
Thank you so much for the great, explained answer to my question in the Teahouse! Cheers! Firebanana (talk) 15:55, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Original Barnstar
I submitted an AfC, but unfortunately it got declined. However, the editor recommended your help guide on referencing. I am currently resubmitting it, and hopefully it will get accepted. I decided to give you a barnstar for you, but as I scrolled through the various options, none of them really applied to this situation, so I just gave you an original. Peartree42 (talk) 22:47, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

Citizen News

If you are still on here, the copyvio returned after you revdel, on another IP address. -.- – robertsky (talk) 12:25, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

@Robertsky Which article please? That saves me having to wade through your or my contributions if you could tell me when you post. Thanks Nick Moyes (talk) 13:06, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
it is linked in as the heading. anyway, it is settled by a couple of other admins (block of last ip and pp on the page as well). :) – robertsky (talk) 13:15, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
Doh! I was in such a rush!!! Thanks Nick Moyes (talk) 13:16, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

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18:14, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Barnstar of Diligence
For your perfect works at the Teahouse, I find your responses to new users not to be just polite but also, (which is what I appreciate the most) is the patience and diligence you exhibit when giving out well thought out responses to new editors and the humble manner in which you follow up, when they have more questions to ask. Thank you once again for your good works mate. Celestina007 (talk) 15:14, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

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01:22, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

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19:53, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Removal of false, libelous, and retracted reference

After becoming more familiar with Wikipedia policies I understand the reasons for your concerns and undoing my edits. I certainly had no intention of creating an edit war. The intention is to remove defamatory content which was discredited and the false claims acknowledged and reversed in writing by the perpetrator. The newspaper article containing the false and defamatory content was linked to multiple Wikipedia subjects. I will gladly locate and provide the substantiating references and documentation to support the need for my edits on the pages of the affected subjects. The statement - which follows - by @ToBeFree on another Adakiko section is directly relevant here: "In most cases, when someone explicitly complains about "defamatory content", that's a good point to stop reverting and to thoroughly analyze the situation. Even if you are completely convinced that the material a) qualifies for inclusion in the article (WP:UNDUE may be a concern), and b) is completely perfectly verifiable: Even then, we should wonder whether it's really worth insisting on keeping the material." Thank you for your attention to this matter CineMG (talk) 02:55, 19 January 2022 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by CineMG (talk • contribs)

@CineMG: I see nothing libellous in that source that would affect Wikipedia reporting the news article. Even if the claim were proven false, the fact that such a claim was made could, in itself, be relevant to the topic. We might simply deem it relevant to then state that the claim was subsequently shown to be false. The issue for us editors would then be to decide if the whole story is relevant to our encyclopaedia.
Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to cite evidence that person x's claim was subsequently proven incorrect. Even so, claims of libel action can still be reported here (with due care over wording) where those claims, counter-claims, law suits and punishments are relevant to the subject of the article.
What we don't do is censor content because you don't happen to like seeing it, or are kicking up a fuss with nothing to back up your disruptive actions. You need to work with us, not against us, if your desire is to see balance and factual accuracy. BTW: If you have a Conflct of Interest in this matter, you need to declare it on your userpage. Nick Moyes (talk) 08:28, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

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Hi, Nick Moyes. I found 5 pages obviously created in error. They're derived from your wrong use [13] of ClueBot III. So I restored 4 threads [14] and tagged error pages for speedy deletion. But User:Amortias obstructed the progress. Sawol (talk) 18:30, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, Sawol. I saw you’d csd-ed them, and was grateful. I’ll delete them when I’m back on a PC. I had seen my archives had all got badly messed up quite some while ago, presumably through my own incompetence. I’ve had other priorities, so never got to fix them. If you care to advise on resolving the mess, I’d welcome it! Cheers Nick Moyes (talk) 21:26, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Joseph Vallot

Hello! Your submission of Joseph Vallot at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) at your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! David Eppstein (talk) 22:43, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

@David Eppstein Thanks. I’d forgotten I still needed to add that citation. Will address it when I get home at the weekend. Cheers. Nick Moyes (talk) 08:32, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Una birra per te!

I appreciate your efforts for Wikipedian sustainability GiovanniPen (talk) 22:13, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

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@Johnceodoe007 Oh no, I haven't! Nick Moyes (talk) 23:13, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Second Adminship Anniversary

Wishing Nick Moyes a very Moyes happy adminship anniversary on behalf of the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! Chris Troutman (talk) 00:23, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
@Chris troutman Oooh! I didn't know that was a 'thing'. Thank you kindly. Nick Moyes (talk) 01:13, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
Wishing Nick Moyes a very Moyes happy adminship anniversary on behalf of the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him | talk) 03:14, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

Happy Adminship Anniversary!

Wishing Nick Moyes a very Moyes happy adminship anniversary on behalf of the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! Bobherry Talk Edits 04:52, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

WP:ERB

Hi Nick, just wanted to thank you for creating WP:ERB. As an AfC reviewer, I send new editors to your guide frequently as I think it is easier to understand and certainly more approachable than the other guides. There is a actual human walking a person through the process and a very friendly one at that!. S0091 (talk) 21:33, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

@S0091 That’s very kind of you to say that. I did wonder whether the page with its amateurish video was irrelevant, now that Sdkb, Moxy and others had invested a lot of time in improving WP:REFBEGIN. But glad to know it still has its uses. BTW: I’ve been forcing myself to use WP:VE recently and have only just discovered how wonderfully easy it is to modify and add new fields to an existing inline citation- something Source Editor can’t do. Kind regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 22:28, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

Belated anniversary

The Administrator Barnstar

The Administrator Barnstar
I hereby award thee the Administrator Barnstar. You are truly one of the best and nicest administrators I've come across. You are definitely a great Teahouse host too. Thank you for all your contributions and help to make Wikipedia better! We need more Wikipedians like you. Keep up the good work! ― Kaleeb18TalkCaleb 01:09, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
@Kaleeb18 Thank you most kindly. Like everyone, I do have my grumpy moments, but I try to keep them to a minimum and help as many people as I can. It's appreciated. Nick Moyes (talk) 01:12, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
I dont doubt you have some grumpy moments like all of use of course, but you do a good job at keeping it to a minimum. You totally deserve this barnstar. ― Kaleeb18TalkCaleb 01:38, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Declined AIV report

You were right to decline this, but it wasn't so much an insufficient warning as a stale one ... the last warning of any level was a week old. You can use "ow" in the AIV template followed by another pipe and the time to indicate this ... it would have saved you some time typing what you typed. Daniel Case (talk) 20:39, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

@Daniel Case Thanks. I tend to try to communicate with the reporter to explain why their report was declined so they don't repeat the mistake and waste everyone's time. I think I focussed more on the low level caution than on its staleness (which I'd not spotted). I guess either/both are valid reasons to decline. Nick Moyes (talk) 20:42, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
Both are, IMO. But sometimes when I see a user recently reported with a first- or second-level who's already had several final warnings amid many warnings over a long period, I think it's time to block. They knew what they were doing and kept right on doing it. Daniel Case (talk) 20:45, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

UrMom1000

Hi, UrMom1000 has edited. However, this user has not changed his username yet, and users may shortly bring attention to it. What actions need to be taken? Severestorm28 00:10, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Not a problem. I've repeated my request. This is borderline offensive, yet a name change is for their own good. Nick Moyes (talk) 00:17, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

DYK for Joseph Vallot

On 28 January 2022, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Joseph Vallot, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that in 1887, after spending three nights on the summit of Mont Blanc, scientist Joseph Vallot and his party were greeted with flowers by the mayor and all the inhabitants of Chamonix? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Joseph Vallot. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Joseph Vallot), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:02, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

New Category

Hi again. I am thinking of creating a category titled as Category:Alumni of Zurich University, and thought of asking you first, since the last time I created a category in a haste, I got into a lot of trouble. Many notable alumni should be in that category. So, please suggest me the right thing. ItcouldbepossibleTalk 09:14, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Your question surprised me as I felt such a category ought to exist already. Sure enough, it does, albeit worded slightly differently. It’s really important to check thoroughly before making a new category. I’m not going to tell you the right answer as it’s a better learning experience to discover some things for yourself. But please pop back and tell me if you’re successful, or if you need further help to find the answer. Nick Moyes (talk) 09:56, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
Gotcha, finally got it. The category is Category:University of Zurich alumni. But how did you know that such a category already exists. Though I know that you are really experienced, and know a lot, but still, how can one know everything and every category that is there? Please clarify this doubt of mine. ItcouldbepossibleTalk 11:36, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
@Itcouldbepossible OK - it's actually quite simple. Categories are part of a hierarchy - like roots of a tree spreading down into the ground, getting smaller and smaller as they go, splitting into finer categories. So you feel you need a new sub-category? Then go to a related article - or one higher up - and see what categories are used there. They're shown at the bottom of the page.
Thus University of Zurich is in Category:University of Zurich. Visit that category and see what sub-categories are already there.
That reveals Category:People associated with the University of Zurich - ah- looking hopeful now!
The sub-category list at that page shows Category:University of Zurich alumni already there, so now you can pop it in.
Another way is sometimes to go to the page of an alumnus you know about and look at what has been placed there. But that is not always reliable. Hope this helps Nick Moyes (talk) 12:00, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
Thanks but I have some more things to ask you. First of all, am I allowed to contribute to other language wikipedias, along side the English Wikipedia? Is that allowed? I don't know how they know me, but administrators of the Bengali wikipedia, are begging me to contribute there. So, should I say "yes"? ItcouldbepossibleTalk 06:33, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
I have also created a bot password, but cannot use it, can you tell me how to use it? ItcouldbepossibleTalk 05:48, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
I don’t know what you mean. You have an authorised bot? I have no experience of that I’m afraid. Sorry I cannot advise you. Nick Moyes (talk) 09:12, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
No, actually I have created a bot password from Special:BotPasswords. ItcouldbepossibleTalk 09:16, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
I've not seen that page before. However, I recognise my quite old password used when I had access to WP:AWB, which I've not needed to run for a few years. Have you requested access to such a tool? if so, that might be why you're seeing something there. But if you haven't, then simply ignore it. I would! If you're still unsure, I'd suggest asking at WP:HD. Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 11:52, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
Ok thanks. ItcouldbepossibleTalk 12:35, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Two minds ...

.. with but a single thought. Sorry about that – didn't mean to step on your toes (well, on your heels really, as you got there first). Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 22:27, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

@Justlettersandnumbers No worries. I've done that too. Just a passing question: what would have been involved for that account to have been "created automatically". It had clearly edited, so what does that actually mean in practice? Nick Moyes (talk) 22:41, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
I really don't know for sure. I've always assumed that it meant that the user had actually created his/her account on some other project. This account shows as automatically created on Commons too, so my guess is that it has deleted contribs somewhere else too. Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 10:51, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
Just glanced at Help:Unified login, seems roughly to confirm the above, but not the details. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 10:55, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Thank You

I want to Remove Brawl Stars#Season. Thank you! 💻HACKER (talk) 04:28, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Be bold - just do it. Nick Moyes (talk) 09:07, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

A Barnstar for you!

The Helpful Barnstar
For helping other newcomers at the teahouse, as well as me. You totally deserve this barnstar! TheAlienMan2002 (talk) 00:56, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

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hi ya

thanks for asking good questions here. I appreciate your volunteer efforts! I clarified my question, can you help me please?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#make_a_template_stop_collapsing

Have a great day. Quiet2 (talk) 21:42, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

 Done Nick Moyes (talk) 11:18, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

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Question from NM Demo 2 (10:41, 5 February 2022)

Hello. I'm just testing to see if you get my help message, sent from the new Mentor 'Ask a Question' box in my Homepage. --NM Demo 2 (talk) 10:41, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

@NM Demo 2 Yeah, I got it mate. I charge £5 to answer a quick question, and £30 to spend the rest of my life holding your hand. You choose. Nick Moyes (talk) 10:43, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

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What’s with that?

I’ve been off wiki for a while due to real life work, upon my return I note the "Growth Team Features”, I haven’t had the time to go through it, but in summary just what is it? Objectively speaking in your opinion Is it any good? Or can you just break it down for me as to what it really is about ? Celestina007 (talk) 23:33, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi Celestina007. In summary, yes, "Growth Team Features” is a great new idea.
It's all about offering a new, structured way to encourage and retain new users. When activated, they get to see an extra tab called 'Homepage' This contains three elements 1) they are given a feed of suggestions for small editing ideas to perform, and with different levels of difficulty that they can select from. If you choose to edit one of the suggested article, they are guided with some on-screen prompts. 2) They have the ability to ask questions of an experienced 'mentor' who gets automatically assigned to them. In turn, the mentor is allocated a new button called 'Mentor Dashboard' where they can see who has been assigned to them. Obviously only a tiny proportion of new users will ever get around to seeking help - but they know a real person is actually willing to help them, if necessary. 3) A Help panel - with links to other help and support.
I can see it becoming a way for those who enjoy helping others to make themselves available to answer basic questions - just like you already at the Teahouse, but in a more one-to-one manner. I believe it would suit you perfectly, so if you wanted to give it a try, you can add your name to the mentor list here: Wikipedia:Growth Team features/Mentor list
I hope this is just enough for you to explore it further.
PS If you haven't already been contacted, you might get a shout from the Signpost Editor about your Teahouse work. Hope you don't mind me suggesting you as an ideal person to speak to. Best wishes. Nick Moyes (talk) 00:08, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
If you say it’s a good development then I trust you and would enroll. Of course I don’t mind, teaching at the Teahouse gives me joy. Celestina007 (talk) 00:13, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
Enrolled, thanks for explaining the development to me Nick. Celestina007 (talk) 00:32, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Corporate account

Gooday Nick - I hope all is well with you. Could you please take a look at User talk:Ntucadbe#Conflict of interest editing which has evidence of being used multiply over the years. Most recent has advised of being an employee in marketing at Notingham Trent University, and inexperienced in editing WP. I didn't know how to proceed politely, as there is a draconian list of do's and dont's preceding any listing at WP:UAA, and COIN has little regular admin activity from my brief experience there. Thanks, Steve.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 16:46, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

A cookie for you!

As promised! Thanks for the info! Th78blue (They/Them/Their • talk) 22:39, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

A cookie for you!

Another cookie. You're so helpful! Thanks! ♥ ♥Th78blue (They/Them/Their • talk)♥ 03:51, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Question from NM Demo 2 (15:08, 12 February 2022)

Hello again. I've heard about a thing called the Teahouse. What is it? --NM Demo 2 (talk) 15:08, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

If you don't know by now mate, there's no helping you! Nick Moyes (talk) 01:36, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
Talking to yourself again? :) S0091 (talk) 01:39, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
Yep! No other friends. Shall be sending myself a Valentines Day Card tomorrow too! Nick Moyes (talk) 02:25, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
Don't worry, I'm single too. Panini!🥪 15:03, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
As am I! Panini 2!🥪🥪 15:04, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
Nick Moyes (talk) 15:33, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Thoughts?

I’m not particularly sure how to go about this but the list of my potential mentees keeps expanding exponentially, is there a way I can just select the few I intend to mentor? Is that even possible? In retrospect I now perfectly understand what Usedtobecool meant when he said he barely has time to work in areas he has perms to function in let alone RFA. I’m literally inundated with both backend and frontend work that it’s beginning to tire me. Forgive the digression but is there a manner in which I can just select who I want to mentor? Celestina007 (talk) 15:34, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi there @Celestina007 First off, are you actually getting any questions from them? Because I'm viewing it as a passive role, in that they come to you if they need help, not you going to them. These usernames get assigned automatically, and by far the vast majority never make more than a single edit, if that. Of the remainder, most have no need to get advice, and only a few will take up the offer of contacting a Mentor with a basic Teahouse-like question. (I've not had a single one yet in two weeks I've been signed up to help)
If I remove all my Mentor Dashboard filters, I see I've now got 5 screens of mentees (total 50), but not a single one of them has sought help by asking me a question yet. So there's really nothing for me to do. Of course, you can reduce how many are shown to me by using the filters: If I set minimum edit count to 1, and last edit to within 7 days, it falls to just 9 editors. And if set to 1 minimum edit and activity within the last day, it falls to just two editors!
There are still things that need sorting out with the Dashboard. The Filter settings aren't currently 'sticky', which is annoying (that is to come), Nav Popups doesn't yet work there, and I've already commented that I don't think you or I should be seeing any editors who haven't actually edited yet, as it look overwhelming. And this post suggests I'm right in fearing that.
I can't see any sign of anyone asking a new user question on your talk page, so I wouldn't worry if I were you. See it as a bit like my local doctor who might have 10,000 patients on his register. He/she never gets them all turning up at once with an issue, so they shouldn't feel too swamped (covid excepted!). Over atWP:Growth Team features/Mentor list our friend @Panini! recently commented that "In the past month, I've received about 9 questions, ranging from two weeks with none to two in one day". So that doesn't sound too onerous, does it?
But I do know what you mean. (I'm also personally feeling rather swamped at the moment, both off- and on-wiki as maybe shows in my recent threads here and through some complex Teahouse engagements.) So, my advice is give it some time to settle in, and do feel free to raise any broader concerns or suggestions either at Wikipedia talk:Growth Team features or at Wikipedia talk:Growth Team features/Mentor list. I know the team leader (@MMiller (WMF)) would be interested to learn of them there.
If you then felt offering to be a Mentor isn't for you there is a way to only act as a mentor of individual names users by removing yourself from the main Mentor list and adding it to the alternative list linked from it. But that is intended more for mentors hosting events like editathons and training course, but it could be used if you wanted to simply offer to be there to help one individual - though that was not its real purpose.
If you decided you wanted to offer to only mentor someone who, say, you'd met at the Teahouse and felt you wanted to put a metaphorical wiki-arm around them and encourage their learning journey on a 1-1 basis, then there's nothing to stop you doing that. A formal way to offer that is via Adopt a User which I advocate is only suitable for new but committed users who want to be guided in more depth, and have a clear recent history of trying to edit across different areas. It's certainly not for someone wanting to be guided to making their one and only page about their favourite musician and then disappearing forever. I make it very clear what my terms for adoption are, or were. But adoption can be very time consuming and demanding, whilst also being very rewarding. I would cite @Clovermoss as someone who I found well worth investing time and effort into supporting via Adoption and who has gone on to do great things here.
Finally, just to help any new mentee who sees my name on their Dashboard, and wonders who this unknown person is, I've added a new top-of-the-page note to my Userpage to help them understand why they've randomly got me 'assigned' to them. I hope this all makes sense; let me know what you feel. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 17:18, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
    • I got hit with what I presumed to be a random question but having checked my mentees alas the individual was assigned to me. I’m quite relieved to hear it’s they coming to me rather than me “chase” after them as I erroneously presumed. I’m happy to answer questions from them tirelessly but my sole fear was what I described above now I know this isn’t necessarily the case I’m very much relieved. Coincidentally, I had also thought of the hypothetical scenario which you addressed above wherein a new editor just wants to create an article on their favorite artist/singer/actor and whatnot and just leaves the encyclopedia after they have achieved this, it’s great an intelligent mind has envisaged such possibility/outcome. I believe i shall adopt your philosophy and also include a brief note at the top my UP. Thanks NM, always a pleasure interacting with you. Celestina007 (talk) 17:59, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
Forgive me if I repeat anything said above. I currently have 34,742 mentees assigned to me. Sounds like a lot, right? However, this for one includes users that are blocked and have zero edits, which is basically redundant. On top of that, according to xaosflux, "we can lead the horses to water but can't make them drink"; the user also has to be the one to reach out, not vice versa. So, this also excludes anyone who makes one edit and leaves forever, any user who quits out of frustration, or users who simply fear social interaction. Just like me! Haha...anyways...
I went back and did some math on the number of questions I received monthly (I measured "months" as in February 13-January 13, for reference). I got 8 in January, 3 in December, 2 in November, 7 in October, 1 in September, 4 in August, 1 in July, 9 in June, and 1 in May. If I had to make estimates on why these fluctuated like these, it might be school and holiday patterns: people joined Wikipedia during summer break and they died down as school went back in session, and people edited less during November and December due to Thanksgiving and Christmas. That, or it's just entirely random. In short, this means the average number of questions I receive monthly is a whopping 4. Doing the math (by "doing the math" I mean "putting the numbers in a percentage calculator"), 4 out of my 34,742 mentees means only 0.01% of them actually ask questions.
In addition to these low numbers, in the very near future, you will be able to determine the volume of mentees you receive, set to either low, medium, or high. People that are short on time can set this to low to make things more manageable. Panini!🥪 18:23, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
Panini!, my thinking is as aptly stated by Nick is if ever I feel inundated I could always opt out of being a mentor. Nick also made a valid point some time in the past as to how this would or may affect the Teahouse. I really hope this development is a success, I noted this entry & the tone felt a little too harsh for a new editor who is supposed to be a mentee of the editor who gave the response I’m pretty sure at the Teahouse proper, the editor may have gotten a friendlier response. In any case, the whole development is still a work in progress, so I’d love to see how it all pans out. Celestina007 (talk) 19:54, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
Thanks for the reassurance, @Panini!. In fact, I found a feed of Mentor Questions (see here) showing between 3 and 10 questions a day, spread across all mentors on the list. So not a huge amount at all. As a result of @Celestina007's comment about the surprise question, I've further updated the information above the mentor sign-up list (see here).
My personal view is that The Teahouse could well be a good breeding ground for future mentors once they've become familiar with acting as hosts. At the Teahouse other editors can always correct any bad habits a new host might start off with, whereas they're very much on their own with mentorship. For that reason, I'd be happy to go along with any consensus that might move towards a slightly higher minimum experience level than the Teahouse currently has. Nick Moyes (talk) 02:03, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
  • You are apt Nick, I agree with your analysis, I had in the past erroneously thought of hosting as a process wherein one could only get officially invited, i was amazed to discover it required just signing up. This in my opinion has led to bad advice given to editors asking questions there, in some cases not so much the wrong answers, some new editors do grasp really fast and are capable of giving correct but very premature answers due to lack of experience which unfortunately can not be taught, for example, I once noticed a new editor barely 3 days old asking how to become an admin and to my greatest shock a host literally pointed the new editor to WP:RFA and that was all they said, not necessarily wrong but beyond premature, due to the fact that the host is very inexperienced, thus the reason I advocate for a threshold of perhaps arbitrary, being a year old, answering questions there without anyone correcting you for at least a month, a clean block log, record of no incivility whatsoever at the Teahouse whilst answering questions, but those are just my arbitrary hypothetical requirements an ideal host should possess, you know, just like you possess. Celestina007 (talk) 12:47, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
    I see little problem of a new editor not answering TH questions very well, because there are always other hosts able to follow up and correct any misinformation. For that reason I don't think we need to make becoming a TH host too onerous. There's nothing wrong with a keen, young editor learning to help out, providing we can steer them if they don't do it quite right to start with. Mentorship is slightly different as it's a one-to-one interaction, with little to no oversight by anyone else. But I still don't think it needs to be a proper permission with lots of administrative checks. Let's see how it works out. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:04, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
  • You do make a valid point Nick, you are correct when you say we do not need to make TH onerous, but my thinking is, isn't a host cleaning up after another host tiresome? In any case, Nick, I have absolute trust in you to remove new inexperienced editors proffering wrong solutions, premature ideas and wrong answers at TH. Celestina007 (talk) 21:38, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
@Celestina007 -- thank you for signing up to be a mentor and for talking about your experience! And thank you, @Nick Moyes, for helping represent this work and spreading the word -- everything you said is right! The reason that mentors have the ability to view all their mentees in their dashboard (and not just those who have edited or who have asked a question) is to empower mentors to be more creative or proactive if they wish. Perhaps some mentors might want to proactively get in touch with mentees who appear to be struggling, even before they are asked. That's certainly not the expectation, @Celestina007, but we wanted to err on the side of exposing more information, not less.
I think some upcoming changes in the next few weeks are going to help. We're going to filter out by default mentees who have made 0 edits. We're going to add functionality to let mentors regulate how many mentees are assigned to them (as @Panini! said), and we're going to let mentors click a button to set their status as "Away", meaning questions will be redirected to other mentors until they change their status. This can be helpful to mentors who do a lot of different kinds of wiki work and need to balance it all from time to time. Please watch the mentor signup talk page to hear when these changes are available.
I hope this helps, and please stay in touch! MMiller (WMF) (talk) 18:37, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

European University (bis)

Hello,

I wanted to thank you for your help the other day on the Teahouse forum. May I give your contact info to my Professor?

Thanks in advance, Kind regards, Qwerty1999 (talk) 15:32, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

@Qwerty1999 Hello. Yes, if I can help, I will try to do so. You may want to link them to our archived discussion at the Teahouse. You can find it at here or you use this shortcut: https://w.wiki/4qBg
I have no knowledge of the field of economics, but am happy to help explain how we work to a course leader or point them to other resources. The key thing I was trying to get over was that the Teahouse is there all day, every day, should any student need practical help. I always advise any course participant to put a short statement about who they are and why they're editing on their userpage (no need for personal details), but it helps if editors like me can understand where a new editor is coming from, and their rationale for editing in the way they do. (They usually get more leeway from me if I can see that background information). Regards Nick Moyes (talk) 15:42, 14 February 2022 (UTC)


Hello, Thank you for your helpfull advice. I will pass along these informations. Regards Qwerty1999 (talk) 16:02, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
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