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07:20, 26 May 2023 review of submission by Jolefigliomeni[edit]

Why is declined the wikipedia page? Jolefigliomeni (talk) 07:20, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Jolefigliomeni: this draft was declined because it is promotional, inadequately referenced, and with no evidence of notability. Which is pretty much what it says in the decline notice. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:25, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Jolefigliomeni, your draft biography of a living person is entirely unreferenced, which is a policy violation. It is extremely brief and written in very poor English. It fails to make a convincing case that the person is actually notable. I recommend thst you read WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY. Cullen328 (talk) 07:31, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

11:35, 26 May 2023 review of submission by JacomeC[edit]

I would like to know what I can improve, specifically, in order to get this article approved. From my point of you, the article is written objectively, because it is basically just stating facts and numbers. Also, I have included all the references the company has in the media (most of them are in the Portuguese media, not in English, but they are still valid sources). Can you help, please? JacomeC (talk) 11:35, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@JacomeC: for starters, most of the draft is unreferenced. My guess is you've just written what your employer or client told you to write, which isn't what you should do. You need to find reliable and independent published sources (preferably secondary), and summarise what they have said about this company, citing your sources as you go so that we can verify the information and ascertain whether the company is notable per WP:GNG.
There is also nothing in this draft that distinguishes the company or tells us why it warrants an article in a global encyclopaedia; the draft simply describes a very ROTM business. As such, I can only assume that the purpose of this draft is to 'spread awareness' of the company, which is another way of saying to promote it, and promotion is not allowed on Wikipedia. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 11:59, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I understand that, but I have written the article in this way because I have seen many other companies' Wikipedia pages written like that. Some of them, in my opinion, are much more promotion-centered.
The references I have used are the only ones the company has in the media - there are a couple more about wanting to recruit new employees for the Portuguese market, but I didn't think they were relevant.
So just to clear this up, a couple of questions:
1) What you are saying is that because this company is not as relevant or referenced as other similar companies, it is not worth having a Wikipedia page?
2) The fact that the company doesn't have anymore relevant independent references means it can't ever get approved unless it grows in that way? JacomeC (talk) 12:11, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@JacomeC: Wikipedia summarises what reliable published sources have previously said about a subject; from this it follows that if no such sources can be found, then it isn't possible to summarise what they have said, and it therefore isn't possible to have a Wikipedia article on the said subject. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 12:21, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

12:11, 26 May 2023 review of submission by Hannydevelop[edit]

Hello, I'm a first time writer so I'm finding it difficult understanding some of the rules. I started an article for a non-profit organisation that I have no affiliation with. The reason I started the article is because I was reading about Women who code and saw that an organisation like that is present in Nigeria. However, the article's draft keeps getting declined because of a COI. Would anyone be so kind to tell me what needs changing or removing? I have read the notability, advertisement and COI articles. Hannydevelop (talk) 12:11, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Hannydevelop: I haven't been involved in reviewing this, but having just looked over your talk page and edit history, I can understand why someone might think you have a conflict of interest – this is the only topic you've written on, you've uploaded photos of the organisation as your 'own work', you keep removing maintenance tags (incl. COI) and moving the draft into the main space without waiting for the AfC process to complete.
And FWIW, I do agree with the last reviewer in that this has a promotional tone throughout: it's not a question of a particular word or expression that needs changing, but the overall POV – it reads like it is trying to 'sell' me the initiative, or convince me how worthwhile and beneficial it is (which it probably is, but an encyclopaedia article shouldn't describe it as such). -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 12:35, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I understand that.
1. This is the first article I've written, although I've done some edits.
2. I removed COI tags because they were added without any hint or notice on what I should've done.
3. I read the Wikipedia article on how articles can be moved and realised I could move them.
4. I have never left any message about the article unread or removed in my talk page because I want to be as open as possible Hannydevelop (talk) 13:51, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Please explain your obvious connection to She Code Africa, as revealed by a cursory Google search. Theroadislong (talk) 14:03, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

16:36, 26 May 2023 review of submission by Mk78134[edit]

Hi! I included all of the sources and from what I can tell they are all reliable. I'm just wondering if I did the submission wrong or do I need to use other sources? Mk78134 (talk) 16:36, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Mk78134: firstly, as this is about a living person, per WP:BLP you need to cite your sources inline, not just list them at the end as general references. See WP:REFB for advice.
The sources have to be published, internal documents and the like are not acceptable.
If the sources are only available offline, then you need to provide sufficient details to enable them to be verified if need be. Currently you're providing next to no useful information about the sources.
I must also say that if this is all there is, then the subject is almost certainly not notable enough to warrant inclusion in a global encyclopaedia.
You should also read and understand WP:AUTOBIO for all the reasons why writing about yourself is not a good idea.
And finally, I'm assuming you know that the title Draft:Manish Kumar has been protected, and that's why you've added the 'MBA' to the end (which shouldn't be there, BTW, per WP:TITLESINTITLES); this can be considered gaming the system, and may get you into trouble. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:59, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
(Draft deleted, user indeffed.) -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 17:18, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

18:21, 26 May 2023 review of submission by Scottalexeden[edit]

Why was my article rejected? 

Scottalexeden (talk) 18:21, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Your draft biography of a living person is entirely unreferenced, which is a policy violation. Read Verifiability. It is also overtly promotional, which is another policy violation. Read the Neutral point of view. Promotional activity is not permitted on Wikipedia. Cullen328 (talk) 18:28, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

19:53, 26 May 2023 review of submission by 187.252.197.9[edit]

Check if it meets the notability and references help 187.252.197.9 (talk) 19:53, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi IP, the draft has already been reviewed and rejected, meaning it will no longer be considered. None of the sources are reliable. S0091 (talk) 19:57, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

23:30, 26 May 2023 review of submission by 187.252.197.9[edit]

I have liked more references and corrected the text 187.252.197.9 (talk) 23:30, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Your draft is overtly promotional and very poorly referenced. It is not acceptable for this encyclopedia. Cullen328 (talk) 23:59, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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