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10:24:54, 22 October 2021 review of draft by 213.247.64.246

• 213.247.64.246 (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Filakto (Orthodox) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I need information about the Orthodox filakto, and Wikipedia doesn't (seem to) have any. So I made a page - a stub - in the hope that anyone will fill it in. It is a draft, named Filakto (Orthodox). The filakto is very common, so I am sure lots of people will have information on it. Can I publish my stub in the hope to attract authors? I was looking for information, and then got the option to request page creation - that already means that I am not the proper person to provide that information..

213.247.64.246 (talk) 10:24, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

You need to submit your draft for review in order for it to be considered. IP users(and new accounts) cannot directly create articles. 331dot (talk) 10:32, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

11:38:40, 22 October 2021 review of submission by Kacperbeski

• Kacperbeski (talk · contribs)

Hello,

Thank you for your review. Since the article has been declined , I would really appreciate it if you could tell me a little bit more in terms of ways to improve it. I have only received vague comment saying that the article reads more as an advertisement than an entry in an encyclopedia. I have been researching this person through internet and common friends and would appreciate you pointing out which parts should be changed.

Thank you and all the best,

Kacper

Kacperbeski (talk) 11:38, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

11:47:18, 22 October 2021 review of submission by 204.18.51.131

• 204.18.51.131 (talk · contribs)
  • No draft specified!

204.18.51.131 (talk) 11:47, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi, Really I do not know how to edit my article to be accepted by Wikipedia! Is there anybody to edit this article?

Best regards, Kiumars Zamani

Hello Kiumars Zamani, this is your first edit under this IP. If you use an account to edit, please remember to login before posting. Victor Schmidt (talk) 14:02, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

15:09:26, 22 October 2021 review of submission by Kozdra108

• Kozdra108 (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Joe Kozdra (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Kozdra108 (talk) 15:09, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Kozdra108 You don't ask a question, but your draft was rejected, meaning that it will not be considered further. Wikipedia is not a place for people to tell the world about themselves, see the autobiography policy. 331dot (talk) 15:43, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

16:10:25, 22 October 2021 review of submission by JulieFr

• JulieFr (talk · contribs)

To create a page about the French mathematician Maurice Marcel Clerc, my model was the one about his colleague and friend James Kennedy. They worked together for many years on Particle Swarm Optimization, and wrote together an IEEE awarded paper. Actually J. Kennedy said once that the contribution of M. Clerc to this topic was more important than his own. So I do not really understand why my submission has been rejected. Please tell me how I can improve it.JulieFr (talk) 16:10, 22 October 2021 (UTC) JulieFr (talk) 16:10, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

@JulieFr: I assume this refers to User:JulieFr/sandbox - if so, you accidentially had overwritten the draft with an (almost) blank page), causing Theroadislong to decline it as a test. I have recovered the previous draft contents from the page history. However, before you attempt to resubmit this for review, you should add a your sources, in the form of inline citations (click this link to find out what this is and how its done), which is mandatory when writing about living people. Victor Schmidt (talk) 16:49, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

16:46:49, 22 October 2021 review of submission by Adityasharma131313

• Adityasharma131313 (talk · contribs)
  • User:PoStErYA/sandbox (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I am aditya raj sharma also known as aditya raj vashishth . I am an author of book imposior. Adityasharma131313 (talk) 16:46, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a vehicle for self-promotion. Please note that writing about yourself is strongely discouraged, as people naturally write more favourable about themselves. Victor Schmidt (talk) 16:54, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

18:21:33, 22 October 2021 review of submission by Prathamesh Tiparkar

• Prathamesh Tiparkar (talk · contribs)
  • User:Prathamesh Tiparkar (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Prathamesh Tiparkar (talk) 18:21, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Prathamesh Tiparkar You don't ask a question, but you submitted your user page as an article. Your user page is a place to tell about yourself as a Wikipedia editor only. It is not a social media style page. Wikipedia is not a place for people to tell the world about themselves. As such, the vast majority of people do not merit articles. 331dot (talk) 18:30, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

20:01:49, 22 October 2021 review of draft by Forich

• Forich (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Karoll Marquez (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I created the draft for Karoll Marquez a few weeks ago and submitted it for review.

One reviewer responded that:

Nothing shows notability here, there appears to be no coverage on the athlete in reliable, secondary sources (YouTube cannot be cited). The television he is "known for" doesn't appear to be notable either, as the shows themselves don't yet have an article.

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I have read the review, and improved the draft in the following ways:

1. The article is not about an athlete, as the reviewer interpreted, Marquez is an actor and singer
2. There are now two reliable secondary sources on the draft: Revista Semana and El Tiempo, both very reputable news sources in Colombia
3. Many of the television shows he has acted in now have wiki links to their pages. Oye Bonita links to english wikipedia, the others link to spanish wikipedia
4. The song Mentira links to an english wikipedia entry
5. At least two works of Marquez then have their own entry in English wikipedia, with many more having an alone entry in the spanish project

Please comment on whether this changes have improved the draft Pinging @Clearfrienda: as well.

Forich (talk) 20:01, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

@Forich: Refer to the top table at User:Jéské Couriano/Decode:

• https://www.semana.com/gente/articulo/karoll-marquez-habla-de-su-orientacion-sexual-esto-fue-lo-que-dijo-el-cantante-sobre-salir-del-closet/202100/ is useless for notability (connexion to subject). It's basically re-iterating what he's said in an interview, and given the focus on their personal life I would consider this a scandal rag and dismiss it per WP:BLP.
• https://www.eltiempo.com/cultura/gente/karoll-marquez-se-refiere-a-rumores-sobre-su-sexualidad-580425 " " " " (" " "). " " " " " " " " ", " " " " " " " " " " " " " " " " " " " WP:BLP.
• https://www.lanacion.com.co/karoll-marquez-la-musica-me-llevo-a-la-actuacion/ is borderline at best, and more likely useless for notability (Connexion to subject). Interview with semi-substantial lede.
• We can't use https://www.larevistaactual.com/ellas-en-mi-el-show-de-karoll-marquez-que-desafia-los-preceptos-de-genero/ (unknown provenance). Omitted byline. Who actually wrote this?
• We can't use https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TJa0itRXeQ (Unknown provenance). YouTube as a source is very dicey. We can only use videos that were (1) produced by an outlet that we would ordinarily consider reliable in the first place (such as, say, the BBC or Reuters) and (2) were uploaded by that outlet to their own verified YouTube channel.
• https://www.vanguardia.com/entretenimiento/galeria/karoll-marquez-LEVL12368 is useless for notability (connexion to subject). Interview with non-substantial lede.
• https://www.radiosantafe.com/2011/11/28/karoll-marquez-lanzo-su-nuevo-video-solo-para-ti/ is borderline. It has some details about him, but the article doesn't go into that much depth with anything unrelated to the song.
• I cannot assess https://caracol.com.co/programa/2007/10/30/audios/1193754240_500208.html (language barrier). Google Translate does not work for A/V media like podcasts.
• https://www.vanguardia.com/entretenimiento/farandula/karoll-marquez-presenta-su-nuevo-sencillo-tu-juguete-MBVL335810is borderline. It provides some detail, but a fair chunk of the article is direct quotes from him.
• We can't use https://www.eluniversal.com.co/farandula/karoll-marquez-y-martina-la-peligrosa-juntos-en-nuevo-tema-mentira-NM2824179 (Unknown provenance). Role byline. Who actually wrote this?
• I can't assess https://www.elheraldo.co/sociedad/karoll-marquez-celebra-la-feminidad-con-ellas-en-mi-776266 (language barrier). Google Translate refuses to work on this one.
• https://www.las2orillas.co/el-regreso-de-karoll-marquez-como-uno-de-los-reyes-de-la-plancha/ is useless for notability (connexion to subject). Interview of a group he is part of.
• https://www.canalrcn.com/super-like/gente/articulo-nota/la-escultural-hermana-de-karoll-marquez-que-enloquece-muchos-en-instagram-10481 is useless for this subject (too sparse). Article is about his girlfriend and her bikini photos and I would classify this as scandal-rag coverage and thus worthless from a WP:BLP standpoint.

I am uncomfortable saying whether or not the sources work for notability given the two sources I cannot assess. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 20:28, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for your time reading the draft. I carefully read the observations made above. These are my improvements made since then:

1. I eliminated some of the problematic sources (i.e. the one from "las 2 orillas" and the youtube interview).
2. I now establish notability directly with a quote from a 2014 piece from "El Tiempo" saying that Márquez is a "reconocido actor y cantante".
3. I kept the piece from Semana that talks about his sexual orientation, but to tangentially serve as the source of the date of his first music album. All controversial mentions of sexuality were purged from the article
4. I also added many new facts about Márquez based on reputable sources (i.e. El Tiempo, El Espectador, El Heraldo), including two or three facts relevant to his notability
5. I fixed some minor issues with other sources, which can be seen in the history of the draft

Please review the current version of the article and run a thorough review of it. Pinging @Jéské Couriano: Forich (talk) 23:08, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

20:53:28, 22 October 2021 review of submission by Navnine9

• Navnine9 (talk · contribs)
  • Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/ (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Navnine9 (talk) 20:53, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi everyone,

I wrote a draftthat was declined because of the question of notability in independent sources. I've added new links to show that Choksi was named a global influencer by the UN Foundation, profiled for her work in an independent Indian magazine, named a star contributor for VICE magazine and received several awards for her work from New York University, Fulbright Program, Wallace House and International Women's Media Foundation.

Does this sound like it addresses the problem?

Thanks so much for your time.

--Navnine9 (talk) 20:56, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Get some coffee, refer to the top table at User:Jéské Couriano/Decode, and watch this space; this is going to be a minute. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 20:59, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

@Navnine9: Here is my source assessment.

• https://www.mansichoksi.com/about is useless for notability (connexion to subject).
• I am not sure how prestigious the Arthur L. Carter Reporting Award is, and thus don't know if https://journalism.nyu.edu/about-us/awards-and-fellowships/the-reporting-award/recipients/mansi-choksi/ would help for notability.
• https://womeninjournalism.org/our-mentors is useless for notability (Connexion to subject, too sparse). Listing in an organisation she's part of/works for.
• https://unfoundation.org/blog/post/the-abcs-of-global-influencers-to-follow-in-2016/ is useless for notability (too sparse). Listicle.
• The PDF is useless for notability for some of the same reason the main Women in Journalism source is (connexion to subject).
• https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/The-Newlyweds/Mansi-Choksi/9781982134440 is useless for notability (connexion to subject). S&S is a publisher for her book, and thus is considered a surrogate for her.
• We can't use https://www.chapters.indigo.ca/en-ca/books/the-newlyweds-rearranging-marriage-in/9781982134440-item.html (online storefront).
• We can't use https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/59364093-the-newlyweds (deprecated). Goodreads is crowdsourced, and discussions about it on WP:RS/N have concluded it's not a usable source.
• We can't use https://www.vervemagazine.in/people/this-is-my-normal-mansi-choksi-dubai (connexion to subject, too sparse). Even if she didn't basically write it herself, the "article" is incredibly brief to the point that, if it were actual journalism, it'd be virtually content-free.
• https://www.usief.org.in/Current-Fellows/IndFellows2012-Masters-Fellowships-for-Leadership-Development.aspx is useless for notability (too sparse, connexion to subject). Listing in an organisation she's part of/works for.
• We can't use https://www.nytimes.com/search?query=Mansi+Choksi (too sparse). Search results are never acceptable sources, and given the search is for articles that she wrote, none of them would help a whit for notability as they would be connected to her.
• " " " https://harpers.org/author/mansichoksi/ (" "). " " " " " ", " " " " " " " " " ", " " " " " " " " " " " " " " " ".
• " " " https://www.theatlantic.com/author/mansi-choksi/ (" "). " " " " " ", " " " " " " " " " ", " " " " " " " " " " " " " " " ".
• " " " https://slate.com/author/mansi-choksi (" "). " " " " " ", " " " " " " " " " ", " " " " " " " " " " " " " " " ".
• https://www.nationalgeographic.com/culture/article/040609-tenberken-blindness-kerala-india-school-tibet-braille is useless for this subject (connexion to subject). She wrote this source.
• We can't use https://longreads.com/picks/authors/mansi-choksi/ (Too sparse). Yet another fucking tag search.
• " " " https://longform.org/posts/the-newlyweds (" "). " " " " ".
• We can't use https://barryyeoman.com/longform/ (too sparse). Listicle.
• We can't use https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyeerxJ7gmY (unknown provenance). YouTube as a source is very dicey. We can only use videos that (1) are made by an outlet we'd ordinarily consider reliable (such as CBS News or Al-Jazeera EN) and (2) uploaded to that outlet's own verified YouTube channel.
• We can't use https://www.vice.com/en/article/avy5bp/employees-of-the-month-v23n3 (too sparse). Listicle.
• We can't use https://wallacehouse.umich.edu/library/the-newlyweds/ (too sparse). Library catalogue search. Merely being in a library catalogue does nothing for a book or magazine article's notability (or that of its author); that's what libraries are supposed to be doing in the first place.
• " " " https://wallacehouse.umich.edu/library/a-chance-to-rewrite-history-the-women-fighters-of-the-tamil-tigers-2/ (" "). " " ". " " " " " " " " " " " " " " " (" " " " "); " " " " " " " " " " " ".
• As with the Arthur L. Carter award above, I don't know how prestigious https://opcofamerica.org/Awardarchive/the-madeline-dane-ross-award-2018/ is, and thus whether it could help for notability or not.
• https://www.iwmf.org/community/mansi-choksi/ is useless for notability (connexion to subject). IWMF gave her a grant to do her work.
• https://www.saja.org/pastawardwinners is useless for notability (too sparse). Being a runner-up on an award does not in and of itself grant notability. On a side note, this site is physically painful to read due to the light grey text on a white background.

Even if the awards do help for notability, the problem is that with an article like this you are beholden to two policies for an article: Notability and WP:Biographies of living persons. It is both possible and very probable, especially in this instance, that you can meet one but fail the other. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 21:32, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi there,

Thanks so much for spending the time and energy to walk me through this. I think I understand the distinction now and went ahead and added appropriate links that I believe better establish Choksi's notability.

I'll sum it up here:

1. https://opcofamerica.org/Awardarchive/the-madeline-dane-ross-award-2018/ An award that describes her work and that was presented at an award ceremony hosted by a CBS anchor and uploaded to the official OPC site.

2. https://medium.com/the-coalition-for-women-in-journalism/mansi-choksi-represents-cfwij-at-article-19-mexico-ad54f5d895a This article sums up a speech she gave at an Article 19 conference in Mexico about her work in journalism. Article 19's official channel. Article 19 is a human rights organization that is linked to a Wiki page above. I have also linked to a Youtube video aired on an Spanish news TV. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIDlYSZnUl4

4. https://www.iwmf.org/reporting/a-chance-to-rewrite-history-the-women-fighters-of-the-tamil-tigers/ This piece, although written by her, includes an intro by the editor since it was the last piece written by the murdered Swedish journalist Kim Wall. It also won a nomination for the Livingston Award, which is the most prestigious award for journalists under 35, they are referred to as the Pulitzer of the Young, as seen in its Wiki page.

5. https://longreads.com/2017/12/22/the-top-5-longreads-of-the-week-201/ Her story has been picked as the top 5 long reads.

6. https://wallacehouse.umich.edu/2018-livingston-award-finalists-announced/ I changed the link to Wallace House to show that she was a finalist for the most prestigious award for journalists under 35.

I'll look forward to your thoughts.

Thanks once again!!!

--Navnine9 (talk) 12:39, 23 October 2021 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Navnine9 (talk • contribs) 12:23, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

I have replied to this query on my talkpage. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 00:29, 24 October 2021 (UTC)