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Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/American Jerusalem

Hi my article was declined seconds after submission, with no reasons given. I am not sure of the article creation process but I suspect the reason was my lack of technical skill, would like to see the article created. Observer55 (talk) 06:46, 30 December 2013 (UTC)Observer55

You are welcome to resubmit for another opinion. I think the article does need some additional work in terms of formatting and content. It might be difficult for reviewers to see past those deficiencies. I would suggest you look at some other articles about songs for examples. here's a big list. ~KvnG 16:06, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

As the one who reviewed the article, I take exception to the unfair and untrue statements made here and on the submission page about me by the submitter, Observer55. If anyone cares to check the article's history, they will see that I spent considerable more than "seconds" reviewing the article, and not only did the decline template identify the one problem with the article (lack of references to independent sources to demonstrate notability), but I also left an explanation clarifying what was needed. The article was otherwise well written, but now it has been changed considerably for the worse and the changes should probably be undone. The independent sources weren't hard to find; for example, here are four:

• Walters, Neal and Mansfield, Brian. “Music Hound Folk”. Visible Ink, Oct 1, 1998 .

• “Shawn Colvin tells all, on new album and in her new book”. New York Daily New, 31 May 2012.

• Lalor, Peter. “All Fall Down (Shawn Colvin)”. The Australian, 7 July 2012.

• Webb, Steve. “MacDonald's songs have a columnist's perspective”. The Ledger, 27 Aug 1993.

I would ask that another reviewer help Observer55, as in the mean time I have received a request to work on another article. —Anne Delong (talk) 04:10, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Hell's Kitty

I don't understand why my article was rejected when I provided several resources. Please assist.

Thanks! Foxility Foxility (talk) 07:37, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

Hello, Foxility. I looked at your list of references, and what I see is that most of them are not what Wikipedia considers "reliable" and "independent". A reliable source is one that is trusted to do fact-checking, such as a newspaper, magazine or book with an editorial staff. An independent source is one that is not connected with the subject. Information on sites such as Youtube, forums, and the IMDb can be added by anyone, anonymously, so it isn't necessarily correct. The same is true for information on personal web sites, since the person can write whatever they like. Listings of events or announcements of items for sale are not independent, since the content is usually provided by the company or organization behind the event or item, and they may not have a neutral view of the subject.

Please look around for some source material that is written by professional journalists or authors. If you add these the article will be much improved. —Anne Delong (talk) 04:33, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Gunna Schmidt

Hi, can anyone help me to find out if this article is now valuable enough to be resubmitted? I had some voices via Live chat, and did some fixing concerning formatting. But also tried to use more own words, in the prescription of the Artists Work and contextualizing her position. And I threw out a quote that seemed to give the impression of being bias (as mentioned in the chat - where in the German platform they asked for "voices" on the Artist). This is the first of a series of articles around the subject of abstract painting with a specific use of the material, that I consider to be a topic in contemporary painting. Thanx for help! --Esma789 (talk) 18:14, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/WOW 1 DAY Painting

I have submitted a page on the company 'WOW 1 DAY Painting' but it was rejected due to it 'being written like an advertisement'. I'm wondering what I can do to improve this page as I have pulled all sources from national media outlets and am unsure what portion of the page seems non-objective. The company is notable because it's one of entrepreneur Brian Scudamore's three companies (he's well-known for professionalizing home service industries), it has received much national media coverage from which I've acquired the content, and interested parties should be able to find information by linking from the 1-800-GOT-JUNK? Wikipedia page. Please advise--thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hemorastificus (talk • contribs) 18:32, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

Hemorastificus (talk) 18:47, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

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Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Hou De Kharcha

Thank you Matthew for the feedback.

This is my first wiki page so trying to understand the rules. Do you mean you need actual examples of "hou de kharcha" memes or do you need article discussing about Hou De Kharcha meme? I m guessing you need reference from newspaper - Below are two more links to newspaper article. Since these Meme's are in Marathi language there are not many articles in English newspaper. As actual meme, there are thousands of images of Hou De Kharcha (search google images - Hou De Kharcha). plus there are t-shirts which are sold with Hou De Kharcha written.

Here are some more reference apart from Indian Express
1. DNA is also an indian leading newspaper and article on DNA --> http://epaper.dnaindia.com/story.aspx?edorsup=Sup&wintype=popup&queryed=820040&querypage=2&boxid=34774&id=55133&eddate=2013-11-14&ed_date=2013-11-14&ed_code=820040
2. Marathi newspaper article (Language in which these Meme are primarily created) http://maharashtratimes.indiatimes.com/infotech/mobile/hou-de-kharcha/articleshow/25271070.cms
3. Article Describing Hou De Kharcha --> http://wrelax.com/content/hou-de-kharcha

4. T-Shirt sold with Hou De Kharcha (english) -->http://www.keepcalm-o-matic.co.uk/p/keep-calm-and-houde-kharcha-3/
5. T-Shirt sold with Hou De Kharcha (marathi) --> http://s4shopping.in/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=64

6. Facebook group of Hou De Kharcha --> https://www.facebook.com/groups/570659686321710/
7. There is an android app on google play to create hou de kharcha meme: --> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.pocketappsolutions.houdekharcha&hl=en

I m guessing Facebook reference doesn't work - which needs to be removed. Don't know if Android App generator reference works. Coolflip9 (talk) 18:50, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

Hello Coolflip9! Yes, the answer is article discussing about Hou De Kharcha meme?. We don't need links to shirts, or to app generators or whatnot. We don't need evidence of the meme itself, rather we need evidence that professional have found it worthy of comment. For an example, see our article on the meme I Can Has Cheezburger?, which we count WP:Notable because publications like Wired, Business Weekly, etc. have found it a subject worth discussing. Articles in Tehelka, DNA India, etc. are just what we need, provided they discuss the meme, its history, its impact.

Regarding language, references need not be in English. On en.wikipedia, English is preferred, but if there are key facts only documented in Marathi, by all means include those articles as footnotes. Fortunately, GoogleTranslate now offers Marathi, so even English speakers can review said references. Please try to code references in as WP:Footnotes using the "ref" tags, so that readers can see which source they should read to "prove" a given fact.

After the article publishes, it'd be great to get a photo example, but we must tread carefully due to copyright. So wait until after publication to work on a photo, and I suggest you inquire at WP:Teahouse to get advice from mentors there about getting the right copyright coding, since this is a somewhat unusual situation.

Thanks again for working to expand our coverage, and for being to conscientious about improving the article for publication. If you can find several more serious news media references (English or Marathi) we can probably publish in a draft or two. Make sure the intro paragraph clearly tells the timeframe in which this appeared, and who/where was the origin point if known. Should end up being a good article! MatthewVanitas (talk) 19:22, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

Thank you MatthewVanitas! That was helpful and does make total sense. I have made the changes you requested for and added more references and removed the ones which were not good reliable source. I found out some legit multiple articles from Marathi newspapers and added. If required I can dig more of Marathi articles. Since its internet phenomenon, I don't know exact date this started - I have put down approximate timeline. Please let me know anything else needs to be corrected and should I resubmit?

Coolflip9 (talk) 21:01, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

You want to make sure you're avoiding WP:Original research, so you don't want to put your guess as to when it started, but instead find one of the articles that mentions a date or timeframe, give that date, and then footnote to the source which provided the date. So if DNA India said "this meme established its official website in 2012", you can cite that date for appearance of the website, and footnote it to DNA India.

A word on footnote citations, don't write "From a Marathi newspaper that says...", instead, give us the basic facts of the source. The easiest way is copy the code Template:Cite news: {{cite news |last= |first= |date= |title= |url= |newspaper= |location= |publisher= |accessdate= }}. Just paste that in your footnote and fill it out, and readers will have all the details to find the article. If the article is in Marathi, still paste the title in Marathi into the "title" field, but for the name of the paper/author you probably want to put the Marathi spelling but then type a quick transliteration in Latin script so English-speaking readers can know the name of the newspaper.

I wasn't sure you were using "literally" right, but I googled it and "kharcha" is indeed literally "expenditure" in Marathi. To avoid confusion, I'll rephrase it slightly.

The article could use some additional facts about how significant this meme is. Have politicians mentioned it in public statements, or any artists included it in songs or films? Again, we don't need your personal analysis ("I noticed that the wewbsite gets X hits a day"), but we want to cite media sources that say "We [at DNA India] assess that 70% of college students in Pune use this meme.--FOOTNOTE TO ARTICLE---". Instead of just listing unused references at the bottom, see if you can extract more interesting facts/observations from published sources, add them to the article, and footnote them. This is getting better and better, but let's make it the strongest article possible before we publish! MatthewVanitas (talk) 22:30, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

I have made the requested changes with new reference and better details. Can you please review the page and see if its read for approval. I have not removed your comment

Coolflip9 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 21:18, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

Really nice work! It needed a little cleanup to get it into Wikipedia's "tone of voice" but you've given some great info and provided very clear and correct sourcing to Indian media! You may hit "Resubmit" whenever you like to get a (likely final) review from another editor. I would suggest submitting this article for Wikipedia:Did you know (winning articles appear on the front page of Wikipedia English for a day); unfortunately I am not skilled in this process, so you'll have to find someone else who can help apply. Note that an article has only a [b]5 day window[/b] to compete for DYK, so I would recommend applying for DYK as soon as it publishes.

Unfortunately I'm going to be off Wikipedia for the rest of the month, but this page can help you with any last things needed to publish. You may also wish to introduce yourself and link your draft in the discussion-space Wikipedia talk:Noticeboard for India-related topics. Finally, if you would like assistance from a mentor in choosing and properly-licensing an example HDKh meme, or in applying for DYK, please visit WP:Teahouse and request assistance there. Glad I could help out early, sorry I'll be absent for a while and can't help push all the way thru. Publication is almost totally assured, but if you don't get the chance to apply for DYK it's no tragedy, it'd just be a neat accomplishment with a little luck. MatthewVanitas (talk) 15:43, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

Thank you so much MatthewVanitasI resubmitted the article; Thanks for all suggestions and critics. I'm glad you made me rewrite multiple times the article and had a vision of how the article should look like. Now it makes total sense :) I'm glad you like it and want to enter into Wikipedia:DYK! Even if it doesnt make it; I think I'm starting new year with a positive note :) I hope you all the best wishes!

Coolflip9 (talk) 16:25, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

MatthewVanitas Did resubmit it correctly - Do I just need to wait this is approved from someone? Just want to check before you went on Wikileave

Coolflip9 (talk) 16:48, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Brooke Sorenson

Resolved

I submitted an article for review, but the page says it isn't submitted for review, and then below the article draft, it says it is waiting for review. I'm a bit confused...did I submit it properly? Please advise!

Thank you!

2605:E000:4C00:AB00:CCB5:D83F:CD8D:ED2F (talk) 21:24, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

It's a coding error, not your fault. As long as you have a yellow box anywhere on the page, you're in line for review. MatthewVanitas (talk) 21:37, 30 December 2013 (UTC)