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Review of User:Thesmartstag/sandbox

• Hi. I urgently need assistance on how to complete a football results box. If you preview this article you will notice that two teams are lacking a template. I am unsure on how to correct this. The article can be seen here Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/2012-13 Premier Soccer League Thesmartstag (talk) 10:55, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

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|gf=|ga=}} <!-- Moroka Swallows --> {{fb r |gf=|ga=}} <!-- Orlando Pirates --> {{fb r |gf=|ga=}} <!-- Platinum Stars --> {{fb r |gf=|ga=}} <!-- Supersport United --> {{fb r |gf=|ga=}} <!-- Tuks FC --> {{fb r |gf=|ga=}} {{fb r2 team |bg=y |t=[[AmaZulu F.C.|AmaZulu]]}} <!-- Ajax CT --> {{fb r |gf=|ga=}} <!-- Amazulu --> {{fb r |r=null}} <!-- Bidvest Wits --> {{fb r |gf=|ga=}} <!-- Black Leopards --> {{fb r |gf=|ga=}} <!-- Bloemfontein Celtic --> {{fb r |gf=|ga=}} <!-- Chippa United --> {{fb r |gf=|ga=}} <!-- Free State Stars --> {{fb r |gf=|ga=}} <!-- Golden Arrows --> {{fb r |gf=|ga=}} <!-- Kaizer Chiefs --> {{fb r |gf=|ga=}} <!-- Mamelodi Sundowns --> {{fb r |gf=|ga=}} <!-- Maritzburg United --> {{fb r |gf=|ga=}} <!-- Moroka Swallows --> {{fb r |gf=|ga=}} <!-- Orlando Pirates --> {{fb r |gf=|ga=}} <!-- Platinum Stars --> {{fb r |gf=|ga=}} <!-- Supersport United --> {{fb r |gf=|ga=}} <!-- Tuks FC --> {{fb r |gf=|ga=}} {{fb r2 team |t=[[Bidvest Wits F.C.|Bidvest Wits]]}} <!-- Ajax CT --> 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What templates are you talking about? This table doesn't use any team-dependent templates, and to me it seems ready to be filled with the results. Since we don't have any results yet, I don't think we currently need the table in the first place, though. Huon (talk) 14:38, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

• Hi, I managed to resolve the issue. I was having difficulty with the individual club templates that run across the top and left side of the table, but as mentioned, I managed to work it out. The season kicks off in a months time, so I figured I would prepare the article so as to make it easier to update once the season starts. Most football articles create the league table before the season has even started as well, so I figured no harm in creating the results table as well. Thesmartstag (talk) 05:41, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

declined article Adolph Fuchs

How do I get this article published? It was declined for unreliable resources. Since when is a published memoir not reliable enough? How about this? The German Wikipedia page already has a site on him. So why can't the English page??? This is crappy. He's other pages, specifically German web pages dedicated to honor his history. Why can't we add him here too? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fam.Fritsch (talk • contribs) 15:54, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

There need to be more than one source, therefore I have declined the article again. Please read WP:RS. Mdann52 (talk) 15:59, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Besides, that one reference is not a reliable secondary source. We need significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject to establish its notability. The memoirs of a close relative are neither reliable nor independent. Huon (talk) 23:16, 18 July 2012 (UTC)