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Memorable editing tales?

The more I get involved in Wiki editing and read Teahouse and Help Desk replies from senior editors, the more I’m curious if somewhere there’s a collection of stories about intriguing editing situations they’ve been been involved in over the years. I can just picture the old-timers sitting around a campfire under the stars sharing memorable tales.

Augnablik (talk) 02:50, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Some of this may be of interest:

• WP:HOAXLIST
• WP:LAME
• WP:PRESS 24
• WP:SIGNPOST
• Depths of Wikipedia
• Wikipediocracy
• User:JPxG/Oracle/Largest AfDs

Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:39, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, @Gråbergs Gråa Sång … you’ve certainly expanded my to-do list exponentially! I delved into your first suggestion, WP:HOAXLIST, and found myself alternately in laughter and horror that so many hoaxes had actually gotten through Wikipedia’s security posts — even if they amount to only something like 1% of all posts. That’s 1% too many.

I think I have my reading all cut out for me over the next week, with your suggested list. Augnablik (talk) 09:29, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

@Augnablik One more: WP:CITOGENESIS. This [1] is a favorite of mine. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:46, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

@Augnablik You might find some of the 'hairiest tales' being dewscribed during the week-long discussion process when an editor applies to become an administrator. Quite ofte,n the applicants are asked to describe difficult or challenging editing situations they have found themselves having to deal with. You can read mine here, and you simply have to change the url by replacing the username of the editor you're interested in hearing more from.

Sometimes the questioners tease out fascinating issues the applicant has encountered - sometimes dealing with them well; other times not. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 09:59, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

My already long reading list provided by @Gråbergs Gråa Sång has expanded hugely with your suggestion to read “some of the ‘hairiest tales’ … during the week-long discussion process when an editor applies to become an administrator."

Actually, Nick, this will probably surprise you but it's the second time that I’ve read your write-up for your exam week. The first was a few months ago when, as has occurred with some frequency, you gave me a particularly helpful answer to one of my questions in the Teahouse. I don’t remember what that question was, but I do remember the deep resonance I felt. So I decided to find out more about you. When I went to your user page, I eventually found a link to your write-up.

Reading it made me feel an even closer bond with you and the other senior editors as well, even those I hadn’t yet connected with, as I became aware of some of the behind-the-scenes work you’ve all had to carry on. I think it must have been through reading your write-up that I felt an unusually strong sense of commitment to the Wikipedia mission and of belonging in its editor community that brought me to a much further point than no accumulation of editor points could have.

I hope all editors get to find out about such stories from your merry band. Augnablik (talk) 10:45, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

And for a (somewhat) fictitious cases, but based on "real" events, and also and to highlight the sometimes very pronounced hairiness of Wiki-bureaucracy, see WP:LIGHTBULB and Wikipedia:No climbing the Reichstag dressed as Spider-Man. Maybe also the BJAODN part of Wikipedia:Silly Things. Lectonar (talk) 11:36, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

😱 WP:LIGHTBULB is a scream, @Lectonar! Once recuperated from the acute hilarity attack it brought on, I'll get to your other suggestions. Augnablik (talk) 16:56, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

@Augnablik What a kind thing to say! Thank you. I'm glad my and others efforts here have inspired you. That's precisely what we need in order to ensure a good supply of younger enthusiastic and committed editors. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 16:09, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

"Younger" editors? If only you knew, Nick! 😂 Well, your other two adjectives fit me ("enthusiastic" and "committed").

Now, thanks to you and several others, I have my own private collection of memorable editing tales. Wish someone would do a great service and weave them together for the enjoyment of all involved in Wiki editing, from the badgeless to those with the largest badge collection. Augnablik (talk) 10:11, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Augnablik, you are "someone" - did I hear you volunteering? WP:JUSTDOIT - Arjayay (talk) 10:19, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

@Arjayay, I just checked WebMD to see what might account for your question and this is what I found out:

”If what you heard really doesn’t have a source, it might be an ‘auditory hallucination.’” 😂 Augnablik (talk) 10:48, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Another one for your collection:[2] Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:29, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång, you’ve contributed to this thread several times now, and you seem to be an editor who might have quite a badge collection in addition to memorable editing tales … how about you taking this project ahead? Augnablik (talk) 10:56, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

I edit pages like WP:PRESS 24 quite a bit, I also add items to "This article has been mentioned by multiple media organizations:" when I find them (see Talk:Recession for an example). With those and the other pages, I think the area is reasonably covered (with some bonus-content on my userpage). We also have a, thankfully small, number of WP-articles about WP-content, see Category:Wikipedia content. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:04, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Thing is, how to get everything available into one space rather than spread out in many different places in Wikidom. Augnablik (talk) 05:19, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

These are some interesting stories. Thanks for sharing! Fiona la Rue (talk) 10:51, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Image use policy

Hi, I just had this conversation on my talk page about an image insertion I reverted. Essentially, the editor has uploaded an image of a minor onto Commons and then placed that image in an article on English Wikipedia. I reverted that insertion, partly because I thought it was vandalism (given the edit history of that page), and mostly because I was concerned about the image. I asked the editor if they had the consent to post such an image of a minor. They said they knew the minor depicted in the image, but did not gain consent from the minor's guardians yet. I advised them to delete the image until consent via a model release was obtained.

I was surprised WP:IUP (and WP:CHILDPROTECT) was not clear about consent and images that deal with minors in this type of scenario. I did try to quickly look through those policies' talk pages and the talk pages of WP:Teahouse and WP:VP to find other similar cases. I was going to post this on WP:VPP requesting an update to the policy language, but before I do, I want to make ensure I am not overlooking some other Wikipedia/Commons policy or past discussion where this is addressed?

Do you think my actions were logical in this scenario? Did it follow policy? If so, which policies? What would you have done here? Thank you in advance, --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 05:53, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

I have now moved this conversation to help desk, because this situation has occurred a second time. If you have a response, please provide it there. Thanks, --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 03:54, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

what should be done to improve this?

Copy of User:SHRIDHAR ADHIKARI/sandbox

Computer Engineering Future For many years, computer engineering—a profession that combines computer science with electrical engineering—has been at the forefront of technological progress. Future developments and technologies have the potential to significantly alter the field of computer engineering. The Quantum World Computer engineering is about to undergo a revolution thanks to quantum computing, which makes use of the ideas of quantum physics. Quantum computers, as opposed to classical computers, employ quantum bits, or "qubits," which are multistate entities that may exist simultaneously. This enables quantum computers to carry out intricate computations at rates that are not possible for conventional computers. Although quantum computing is still in its infancy, there are a plethora of possible uses for it in drug discovery, cryptography, and optimization issues. Both machine learning and artificial intelligence Healthcare and finance are just two of the industries that artificial intelligence (AI) and machine learning (ML) have already begun to revolutionize. Computer engineers will be essential in creating effective hardware and algorithms to enable AI and ML applications as these technologies grow. AI will probably be included into more commonplace gadgets in the future, which will contribute to the development of smart homes, driverless cars, and customized healthcare. Internet of Things (IoT) The network of physical objects, ranging from industrial machinery to household appliances, that are linked to the internet in order to gather and exchange data is known as the Internet of Things (IoT). Computer developers will face issues with data security, privacy, and the creation of high-performance, low-power technology as more gadgets become "smart." Engineering with Neuromorphic Properties A recent development in computer engineering is called "neuromorphic engineering," which entails creating systems, circuits, and algorithms that resemble the neural networks and processing power of the brain. This may result in the creation of extremely effective, intelligent computers with learning and adapting capabilities. Online safety The significance of cybersecurity is increasing along with our dependence on digital technologies. It will be necessary for future computer engineers to create systems with strong security features in order to defend against more complex cyberattacks. Conclusion In conclusion, computer engineering has a promising and bright future. Computer engineers will continue to lead innovation and shape the future of our digital world as technology advances at an unparalleled rate. References: - www.techopedia.com www.technologyreview.com www.builtin.com www.technologyreview.com www.weforum.org www.imaginovation.net www.iotforall.com www.arxiv.org www.weforum.org www.securityintelligence.com www.gartner.com www.weforum.org www.cybersecuritydive.com www.link.springer.com www.frontiersin.org www.forbes.com www.usaid.gov www.knowledgehut.com www.weforum.org

i want to know what to edit in this article in order to be published .

and how to know if our article is published or not? SHRIDHAR ADHIKARI (talk) 09:47, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

@SHRIDHAR ADHIKARI, Your draft is not supported by reliable sources which is needed to establish notability of the subject. Please cite reliable sources that will improve the article. GrabUp - Talk 09:53, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

how to improve it, sir?

please suggest me! SHRIDHAR ADHIKARI (talk) 03:37, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

See below.-- Hoary (talk) 20:18, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

SHRIDHAR ADHIKARI, the subject of your User:SHRIDHAR ADHIKARI/sandbox is "Computer Engineering Future". As explained here (NB a policy page), this is not an encyclopedic subject. For this reason, if I had reviewed this draft, I would not have declined it. Instead, I'd have rejected it. Please stop working on it. -- Hoary (talk) 10:26, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

how to improve it, sir?

please suggest me! SHRIDHAR ADHIKARI (talk) 03:41, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

In accordance with "Wikipedia is not a crystal ball", just stop. -- Hoary (talk) 20:18, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

how to do two disambiguations in a hatnote

for the page for tire there is only one disambiguation link in a hatnote leading to Tire (disambiguation). I feel there should be two since the british spelling (tyre) has its own disambiguation page (see Tyre (disambiguation). im not sure how to make it dispaly two disambiguation links at once in the hatnotes, so if someone could help it would be greatly appreciated. Gaismagorm (talk) 18:30, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Y Done. Thanks. Feline Hymnic (talk) 18:40, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

yipee!!! Gaismagorm (talk) 18:58, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

question

Hello, I've been wondering about this for some time now.

On some movie and film articles, especially where you get into the 'plot' section of it, does there need to be any sources of the plot? How do we know what is true and what isn't true about it, if there's no sources on it. GoodHue291 (talk) 19:15, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

@GoodHue291: References aren't required for plot sections, because the work itself is the source; you can verify the accuracy of the plot summary by viewing the work. See MOS:PLOTSOURCE – while quotations from the original work or secondary sources are helpful in some circumstances they are not required. Tollens (talk) 19:20, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Hey thanks. I actually had another question for you. Is there a limit on how much questions you should ask on the Teahouse? GoodHue291 (talk) 19:24, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

You can ask as many questions as you want, within reason of course – we are happy to help. Tollens (talk) 19:29, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

There's an issue at the Yahaya Bello article. There's a user that is constantly adding information there that seems out of place, also not acknowledging our edit summaries too. I want to know if you could do something about it. I feel like it's biased text. GoodHue291 (talk) 19:38, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

@GoodHue291 You should discuss the issue with User:Lakasera and User:Watercheetah99 on the Talk Page of the article because at present you are all adding/removing content without a proper discussion of what is appropriate for this biography of a living person, which by policy has very strict sourcing requirements. Please do not call edits vandalism unless they are as defined in that link. Mike Turnbull (talk) 19:58, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

A biased POV is a very different thing to vandalism, but it is still very much a problem the edit warring that is going on with that article. -- D'n'B-t -- 20:01, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Looks like UPE and/or socking to me as well. ANI thread is open at WP:ANI § Possible UPE/socking. Tollens (talk) 20:12, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

I questioned User:Watercheetah99 about the user constant reverting the text without explaining why broadly. So far they didn't respond to my message yet, I think I might question User:Lakasera about it since you've mentioned it. GoodHue291 (talk) 20:34, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

preparation on digital medis

how study and prepare for my exam on mass communication on digital medis 5.95.12.238 (talk) 19:23, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

The best option would likely be to review the material given to you by whatever person or organization is administering the exam, or alternatively look for practice material online; we can't help you very well here. If you have a specific question about a particular topic you don't understand, you could ask at the reference desk. Tollens (talk) 19:27, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Bertrand Meniel entry by Francy Pants

On March 6 the entry I created for the artist Bertrand Meniel was rejected because I didn't have the right references. I have since corrected all this following the suggestions of Utopia. I resubmitted the entry and it has now been more than 2 months. Anyone have any suggestions on what more I can do to enhance the entry for publication? I don't know how to indicate where you can find the entry now, as it is in limbo. Fracy Pants (talk) 20:25, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Haven't looked yet, but the draft is located at Draft:Bertrand Meniel. Tollens (talk) 20:27, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

I've no opinion on whether your draft establishes that Meniel is notable. But there's a couple of external links there that you'll need to remove or convert to references. Maproom (talk) 17:26, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Adding Categories

Hi,

I'm trying to add Category:Wikipedia-related user templates to User:Myrealnamm/Userboxes/Likes blowing up Wikipedia through the doc page. The current code is:

<includeonly>{{Sandbox other|| <!-- Categories below this line --> [[Category:Wikipedia-related user templates]] }}</includeonly>

However, it's not showing in the template. How do I fix this? Myrealnamm (💬talk · ✏️contribs) at 20:35, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

How do I remove a reference and mark it as [citation needed]

I updated an out of date level count number on the article for the game Baba is you but the old reference is still there, how do I remove it and replace it with either a newer reference or the citation needed thing? Personfromthegalille (talk) 21:48, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

You probably shouldn't change it until you find a source with the updated number, as the new number would be unsourced, and could be reverted by someone else. I'd just leave it as it is until a new source is found. miranda ^:3 21:54, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Question regarding 'Draft:Nicole Sahin'

Hi there, I wrote this article (Draft:Nicole Sahin) a few weeks back, and subsequently received feedback that the tone of some of the content was promotional and that some of the references weren't reliable. I have rectified the issues (or at least I believe I have) and I would now like to know where and how to ask one of you special Wikipedia souls to review it. Can you advise, please? KWriteReturn (talk) 23:29, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

KWriteReturn I (who am soulless) just looked at a single sentence, namely:

In 2005, Sahin joined the newly founded High Street Partners (HSP), a software-enabled international business services firm which facilitated the international expansion of fast-growing tech companies including Tesla and Duke University.

This cites one source, which doesn't mention "Sahin" (whose referent I think I understand) or "software-enabled" or "business services" (whose meanings, if any, I don't understand). (Does "business services" here mean advising businesses about all sorts of regulations? The source does talk about that.) It doesn't say that Tesla was growing fast.

Incidentally, "an extended period of time travelling" made me think of something about Doctor Who; but on rereading, it seemed to mean just "a long period travelling". Well, how long? (Just be direct: "after two years travelling" or whatever. Citing a reliable source, of course.)

The whole thing is in a kind of corporate-advertising-speak.

Thank you for being upfront about article creation for income. Hope you're being paid handsomely! -- Hoary (talk) 01:48, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

The lead of the article gives the latest valuation of her company, without providing a clear explanation of what it does. This makes it look like a WeWork-style scam - such scams often try to use Wikipedia to promote themselves. It doesn't look good. Maproom (talk) 18:20, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

@Maproom: what's WeWork? —usernamekiran (talk) 12:04, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

If only you had a good encylopedia to hand, you'd be able to look up WeWork.   Maproom (talk) 16:38, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Is this a split or a merge?

Hi! I was looking to create a discussion on combining parts of two articles (SEPTA City Transit Division surface routes and SEPTA Suburban Division bus routes) into a new, separate article called List of SEPTA bus routes. The City Transit Division and Suburban Transit Division are each notable enough to have their own content (they have distinct histories and strikes will be specific to either the city or suburban divisions), but with modern wayfinding changes to SEPTA, it makes no difference to everyday users whether they are on a city bus or suburban bus. Therefore, having a listing of SEPTA bus routes on Wikipedia would be best achieved in its own article rather than straddling two separate ones.

My main question is whether such a thing would best considered to be a split or a merge. It would be splitting the content from both articles, but also merging them both simultaneously... which approach would I take for starting that discussion? Emma Lexi Triphora (talk) 23:49, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

I think the only way that distinction matters is if you're trying to find a top-of-page banner to draw attention to your proposal. It sounds more like a split, since that offers ways to have the target be an article that does not yet exist, whereas merging seems to require that the target does exist. As long as both articles are tagged and point to the same one location for discussion, that's all that I think really matters. Be sure to alert WT:PHILLY. DMacks (talk) 03:20, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Indeed, that (having a banner) is why I was asking. Thanks! Emma Lexi Triphora (talk) 13:42, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Refrigerator article vandalized

Hello. Someone vandalized the Refrigerator article. Please roll back. 2A04:EE41:3:12EA:C936:AAB5:46EB:1C (talk) 00:11, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

 Already done by Sigma440 '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 00:14, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Oh no! My photo of Ernest Hemingway's refrigerator is in that article. Cullen328 (talk) 00:37, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Question about the article "Yatai City"

I was browsing through categories when I found the article for Yatai City. The point of view seems skewed and the sources seem either dubious or outright deprecated, as in the case of the Epoch Times. When I tried to find better sources with a quick google, there are only a few that seemed good. I just wanted to check that attempting to fix the article (which would probably require a full rewrite) was the correct course of action given that based on its recency and lack of a talk page I don't think it's been reviewed. Zygmeyer (talk) 02:26, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Yes, it's very much the correct course -- unless, of course, the reliable sources aren't sufficient, whereupon AfD is called for. I note that the city is "strategically situated" (as if many others were situated by somebody blindfolded and sticking a pin into a map); and that "infrastructure construction" [can't we coin "infrastruction"?] was "on wasteland" -- as major "development" so often is, at least until one examines the criteria used to dub it "wasteland". Et cetera. Unfortunately I can't read either Chinese or Burmese and so can't help, but I wish you well. -- Hoary (talk) 03:02, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

@Hoary: "strategically situated" is actually a term, and used often in military/conflicts related stuff. —usernamekiran (talk) 12:01, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Suco: Letemumo

Suco nebee ho populasaun 11, 678 habitantes, iha aldei 6 nebee localiza iha posto administrativo quelicai ho nia aldeia mak lebenei, laumana, ruta, manume, waidora Iueus (talk) 03:13, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

If you want to ask about something in Portuguese-language Wikipedia, please do so there. -- Hoary (talk) 03:30, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

How do you save edits/changes to an existing article?

Sorry, a bit new here and can't seem to find the answer to this question. Also, where do you put the recommendations for new edits/editors to an existing article because you don't have enough knowledge about the subject to do the necessary changes? Eleniofillyria (talk) 04:14, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Your first question: First use "Edit", and edit. Then "Preview changes", and check that what you did doesn't have any unwanted problems. Then "Publish changes". Your second question: At the foot of the article's "Talk" page. -- Hoary (talk) 06:38, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

User Contributions

On the user contributions, I wonder if I can search for the specific page e.g. 'France' to see how many times or not they had edit this particular page? MoCars (talk) 05:08, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

@MoCars There is a good tool which includes this information and is reached from the bottom of any user's contributions page. The tool is the "Edit count" link and in your case gives this from which individual counts are part of the output. I can see you made 16 edits to Toyota Yaris Cross, for example. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:03, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Request consideration of increased page protection for all political candidates

I have submitted a request for page protection for one state legislator page after seeing that Other Editors have noted changes to the page that may be from a political opponent.

Right now the page I reviewed has been edited recently to focus mostly on political positions rather than on the person's biography. I recommended that protection be installed immediately for that page to prevent any further biased posting and vandalism.

Now it occurs to me that perhaps we need a blanket increase in page protection for all political candidate pages at this point, since primaries are coming up in many states in the next few months. ProfessorKaiFlai (talk) 05:29, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

We do not preemptively protect pages. EvergreenFir (talk) 05:38, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Support on declined submission: Talkio Mobile

Team, please help me get my draft page done better and approved faster. The page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Talkio_Mobile) is of a telecommunications company launching in a few months in Uganda. This implies that not much information on it is available for reference, but quite more will be in the near future. There have been questions of how related I am to the party, or if I have a conflict of interest in the submission. The answer is NO! I have been a growing technology journalist for the past 8 years and I have helped report on the underreported sector here in Uganda and Africa. It hurts when efforts like these, to make the unknown more known, are instead painted to be for selfish and personal interests. It discourages us as editors and makes us think that probably we are undervalued and have no regard paid to us. Kikonyogod (talk) 05:36, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

@Kikonyogod: I asked you a perfectly standard question about a possible conflict of interest, no need to get worked up about it.

And Wikipedia is not here to help you promote upcoming anything. If the company hasn't even been launched yet, it is virtually guaranteed to be non-notable, and you will find it pretty much impossible to have an article on it accepted. Sorry to be blunt, but that's just a fact. Maybe give it a year, and try again then? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:10, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, @DoubleGrazing, feedback well noted. We'll give it the time it deserves. Kikonyogod (talk) 06:54, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

@Kikonyogod: Welcome to the Teahouse. As DoubleGrazing has said above, the subject appears to be too soon to have its own article for the time being. As an aside, your §Services section comes off as very promotional and would be unfit for an encyclopedia. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:19, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, @Tenryuu. Services section omitted. Feedback noted! Kikonyogod (talk) 06:54, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Kikonyogod, this draft comes with one reference. The source to which it points doesn't mention Talkio Mobile. You give me no reason not to think that an article on Talkio Mobile would contravene WP:CRYSTAL. I do not understand why you can't wait till more information about Talkio Mobile becomes available. (NB This information would have to come from reliable, disinterested sources.) -- Hoary (talk) 07:06, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

@Kikonyogod, Tenryuu, DoubleGrazing, and Hoary: Please see this essay. Shirt58 (talk) 🦘 11:54, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Shirt58, I did. Why the "located" within "Poland is a country located in Central Europe"? ("Poland is a country in Central Europe" sounds better to me.) -- Hoary (talk) 12:19, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

I like metre-form laws. Do the Income Tax Act 2007 next. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:15, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

I'm not seeing the relevance here as the draft's avoided the use of first- and second-person pronouns. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 13:39, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Use of a Picture from the Commons on my Free Web site

I have a blog I use for very nerdy articles. Most are very nerdy topics. I'm stretching myself a bit by writing up an article on the Turing/Church proofs that the Entscheidungsproblem has no solution. I have no adds on my site, I don't have any way for people to even give me money if they want to. It isn't all altruistics. I'm more interested in attracting a (very small but focused) audience and that sometimes leads to business. Anyway, sorry this is way too much detail My question is if I take an image from Alonzo Church's Wikipedia page and use it on my blog are there any ownership issues? All I know about content ownership, copyright, etc. is I don't understand it but know its easy to do something you shouldn't. I would think this is fine perhaps I should provide some attribution. Please any suggestions. Sorry for the long email, its late and I've been working since... actually 5am. And I'm more or less retired. What can I say I like my work. Wikipedia rocks! I used to edit and still do once in a while and when my old boss gets depressed that the Internet didn't turn the world into a utopia of open information as he thought it would I remind him that we have things like Wikipedia one of the most wonderful examples of people doing things because they want to. Cheers! MadScientistX11 (talk) 06:26, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, MadScientistX11. Your header indicates that you are asking about images hosted on Wikimedia Commons. Every image or media file there (and there are an amazing 105 million of them) can be used by anybody for any purpose including commercial purposes without any restriction or asking for permission, except that many of them require attribution to the source. So, that is the general answer about Commons images, but then you mention Alonzo Church, and it is there that a problem arises. The portrait photo in that article is not hosted on Wikimedia Commons but rather right here on English Wikipedia. That is because the presumption is that the copyright to that photo belongs to Princeton University and that the photo is therefore neither in the public domain nor freely licensed. The English Wikipedia has a policy on use of non-free images. The policy is strict and the image must be low resolution, as is the case here. The circumstances where non-free images can be used are limited. One of those allowed uses is in biographies of people who have died, when no freely licensed or public domain image is known to exist. Clearly, it is not possible to take a photo of a man who died in 1995. So that justifies the use of the photo on English Wikipedia. The bottom line is that neither English Wikipedia nor Wikimedia Commons can give you permission to use this portrait photo, because the copyright presumably belongs to Princeton. The charmingly nerdy non-profit nature of your website has no bearing here. The principles I am describing apply to giant multinational corporations the same way as they apply to your website. If you decide to use the photo under the legal principle of fair use, then I suggest that you look for a higher resolution version on Princeton's websites, and credit them on your website. Cullen328 (talk) 07:51, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi MadScientistX11! The specific image you are referring to appears to be under copyright, and you should generally only use it if you believe it falls under the fair use doctrine, or the equivalent in your jurisdiction. You can see the guidance at Wikipedia:Reusing Wikipedia content § Fair use materials and special requirements for more information.

Almost all of the images on Wikimedia Commons should be freely reusable, but the requirements surrounding attribution and similar may vary, you can see c:Commons:Reusing content outside Wikimedia. However, some images on English Wikipedia, including the image on Alonzo Church(File:Alonzo Church.jpg) would be, or are assumed to be, under copyright, and can only be used under the fair use doctrine. This is generally because no freely reusable alternative can be located.

For the use of copyrighted works under fair use in US law, 17 U.S. Code § 107 considers the following 4 factors:

1. the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;
2. the nature of the copyrighted work;
3. the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and
4. the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.

Alpha3031 (t • c) 07:17, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Requested Articles

So, I've written and fulfilled nearly a dozen article requests in the Military History section. Are the fulfilled requests supposed to be removed from the list or should they stay as is? Thanks. TheBrowniess (talk) 07:12, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, TheBrowniess. I commend you for working on requested articles. Once the new article is in main space, then please remove it from Requested Articles, with an edit summary stating that you wrote the article, with a wikilink to the new article. Cullen328 (talk) 07:57, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

So should I include links to all the articles in a single edit summary or should I create a separate edit summary for each one? TheBrowniess (talk) 11:22, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

That is up to you. My choice would be individual edits and summaries for each article. Very lengthy edit summaries are unwieldy in my opinion. Cullen328 (talk) 17:16, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! I did the latter. TheBrowniess (talk) 08:11, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Editing contentious article

Hi. The "Gaza floating pier" article has a message that users with <500 edits may not edit it, but the article is not explicitly protected. I made an edit request, but the wizard gives an error message because the page is not protected: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Gaza_floating_pier#Adjust_short_description

Does the protection status of the page need to be adjusted, or is this simply an edge case not covered by the wizard? Will my edit request still be processed even if this warning appears? Yawkat (talk) 07:53, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Main page changes

Hi all hosts and newcomers,

In case you miss it, there has been/will be a change in the default settings for the Main Page. The Main Page will be full width mode by default.

Extract from the latest edition of Tech news:

In the Vector 2022 skin, main pages will be displayed at full width (like special pages). The goal is to keep the number of characters per line large enough. This is related to the coming changes to typography in Vector 2022. Learn more. [3]

This was raised as a bug report at WP:VPT. I thought that it might be beneficial to Teahouse here to be notified here as well. – robertsky (talk) 09:32, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Divisive Examples of Neutral Point of View on Help Page

Hello. I have recently commenced as editor here and am excited about all the great work being done to preserve our knowledge.

I was kindly guided towards the help page and ended up at the quiz on Neutral Point of View (NPOV) writing, Help:Introduction to policies and guidelines/neutrality quiz.

I find the examples to be a bit contentious and the explanations to be paternalistic.

Examples include objective truths which you are taught should not be mentioned. And lack of evidence of causation presented as evidence of no causation.

I can see that the page has not been commented on since 2022, and wonder if it is time to discuss the examples again, as this is a page that many new user will visit.

Cheers, Nielsen Lasse (talk) 09:41, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello. The point is to provide examples that are obviously incorrect in order for the user to be able to see the correct ones. That said, you should discuss your concerns on the associated talk page. If it doesn't get enough interest, you can make a formal Request for Comment. 331dot (talk) 09:47, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi there Nielsen! If you put some specific suggestions on the talk page, I would be happy to discuss them with you. Toadspike [Talk] 12:24, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi

Hello everyone. I've been looking for what to do in this encyclopedia, but it looks like everything is in order. Is there a to-do list or something like that to get started? JLCop (talk) 12:32, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

@JLCop First off, welcome, nice to have you here. Second, there isn't necessarily a to-do list, more a rather insane amount of things you can do. I'd personally advise going to the task hub to see some of these examples. Citation hunting is a good way to find articles to improve, as you can come across articles in rather desperate need of improvement.

You can also find a WikiProject that interests you, as most will have a list of stub or start class articles. These are the bottom two rungs of our assessment categories and most are ripe for improvement if you can find the sources to back them up.

I'm gunna pop you a welcome message as well, as that'll have a bunch of useful information on it. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 12:39, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi @JLCop, when I first started I found the homepage really useful, it gives suggested edits. Once you spend some time doing this to get used to how to use Wikipedia, there are then plenty of projects you can get stuck into :) Qcne (talk) 15:10, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Request userboxes

Hello! I'm SniperTron12, for a living, I put a nuclear block on a vandalizer, but I'd want to do something different! If you want me to create userboxes, I'll be there to help!

PS - I dont know where I SHOULD place this statement.

Snipertron12 (talk) 13:32, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello @Snipertron12! I think a good place that people might hear up on your help would be the WikiProject Userboxes, although it doesn't seem too active as of right now. Cheers! Kline • talk • contribs 15:43, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Id like to add something but theres not really any citations for it

So i wanted to add an Imageboard to the page for them, but i cant post it since my only valid proof is a reddit post by the creator of the Imageboard on Reddit (aswell as the site link of course)

This is what i tried to post

9chan is an imageboard that emerged on Reddit around April 2024.<ref>"9chan Introduction", blaqberry, Reddit post, January 2024, [Uhh i made an imageboard : r/teenagers]</ref> Not much is known about its past since it seemingly hasn't been archived, although it appears to have originated in 2022. It was created by two people, 'blaqberry' and 'njln_'. The imageboard itself resembles 4chan from around 2004, with a few slight changes. It's not indexed by Google, according to blaqberry, but you can visit it by going to https://9chan.000.pe.

Most of it is either visible on the site itself (like the date of its origin and the creators) or visible by just Googling it (the indexing of it) 2A02:908:F62:D5A0:C009:C645:8677:A9D6 (talk) 14:25, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

I am afraid that Reddit is not a valid source, as it is not reliable. Not every single image board that exists should be added to the Imageboard article - only ones which are "notable" by our definition. Qcne (talk) 15:08, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Company logo reverted to outdated logo on company page

I updated my company logo on our company Wikipedia page as we rebranded last year but the logo reverted to our old logo. Justin Oram (talk) 15:16, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Agilysys

Hi Justin Oram, Since you have a conflict of interest then Wikimedia's terms of service require that you make a paid-contribution disclosure. You can then make an edit request on the article's talk page. Updating the logo is probably fine. Promotional language and puffery, such as in your earlier edits is not. -- D'n'B-t -- 15:38, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Justin Oram

 Courtesy link: Agilysys

Your edits were reverted wholesale, as they were found to be promotional. The logo was collateral damage in that.

You must disclose your paid-editing status. After that, you should not edit the article directly, but make edit requests via its talk page instead.

Please note also that this is not "[y]our company Wikipedia page", but rather a Wikipedia article on your company. It is editable by anyone, and not 'owned' by your company in any sense of the word. HTH, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:40, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: c:File:Agilysys, Inc. logo.png – Image

I have changed the license to {{PD-textlogo}}, as it is below the threshold of originality; the logo only contains 2 circles and text, and is in the public domain. ~~2NumForIce (^speak|_edits) 16:05, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

@Justin Oram: The logo update was OK. I have redone it and added the official website.[4]. I guess you also made this edit four minutes before creating your account. That was not OK. It said customers use your product to "consistently delight guests, retain staff and grow margins". The revert said "promotional b*llsh*t". I have to agree. We are an encyclopedia, not your marketing department. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:11, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Reviewed page created from redirect

If a redirect is turned into a full page, does it need to be reviewed before it can been seen on search engines, or does it just take time for the search engine to realise that it is no longer a redirect page? Anguswiki (talk) 15:54, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Yes, it has to be reviewed by new pages patrol. Turning the redirect into an article marks it as unreviewed and adds it to the NPP queue again. Toadspike [Talk] 17:07, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! Anguswiki (talk) 09:38, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

@Anguswiki: also to be noted, regardless of the time of the review, it is totally upto the search engine when to list/index the article on the search engine. —usernamekiran (talk) 11:45, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Website blocked

I was attempting to edit Elaine Carroll to add their website, but the edit was blocked because the site uses .xyz as the TLD. The notice about this issue indicated that I could submit a request to have the specific domain allowed, but I'm not totally certain how to submit a request about this. The noticed mentioned two different filter lists and I couldn't tell which one was blocking this edit. I created a note about this under the discussion section at MediaWiki talk:Spam-blacklist as well. – OdinintheNorth (talk) 16:03, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

@OdinintheNorth, there is a general block on .xyz TLD. I am adding this to the MediaWiki:Spam-whitelist. – robertsky (talk) 16:19, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! – OdinintheNorth (talk) 16:59, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Can someome do a small edit in Template:Infobox Paralympic sport?

Hi! I'm not new, but ask here anyway. Can someone please add 2024 to Template:Infobox Paralympic sport? I was looking at the code, but think I better ask for help. (I don't want to mess up things, and I'm not so used to the en-wp version of Wikipedia.)

Thank you! :-) // Zquid (talk) 17:39, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

@Zquid I have just updated the template to include the 2024 Summer Paralympics, it should be all good now. Cheers! Kline • talk • contribs 17:45, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

@Kline Great! Thank you! :-) // Zquid (talk) 17:49, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

question

Is there a section on Wikipedia where it talks about sources for persons? GoodHue291 (talk) 19:25, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons certainly covers much of this, but if you have further questions in this area that it doesn't answer, feel free to return here and specify them. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.2.67.173 (talk) 20:27, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

If an article detail data is not available in any site except on one then I can put it's external link

I write article on much unique famous peoples who are not on Wikipedia then what is good way to publish here can it's necessary to add external link or citation because when Wikipedia has no any data then how can i add links or citation on Wikipedia AimaanKhann (talk) 19:37, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

"Courtesy link": This seems to be about the article Quenlin Blackwell (which I suspect is ripe for deletion). -- Hoary (talk) 20:25, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

I would support deletion. But the user is new, and that might appear harsh. At the minimum, I think it should be draftified; it's certainly not fit for main space. Feline Hymnic (talk) 20:35, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

User:GoodHue291 tagged it for PROD (article was moved to Quenlin Blackwell-The Journey of a Social Media). I think it's speediable. The article as written needs TNT to solve the overwhelmingly promotional tone and claims, and it failed AFD-notability 13 months ago (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Quenlin Blackwell). DMacks (talk) 13:57, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi AimaanKhann. You might find the information in Help:Your first article and Help:Referencing for beginners helpful, but basically only articles written about subjects deemed to meet Wikipedia:Notability are considered OK for Wikipedia. It's makes no difference how well written or how many images/links/citations an article includes, it will alost cerainly end up being deleted at some point if the subject matter is not considered Wikipedia notable. Adding citations is certainly necessary to establish how the subject of an article is Wikipedia notable, and citations are also need to verify article content; but, subjects are generally only considered to be Wikipedia notable when others (i.e. secondary reliable sources) have written about them in some significant way. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:21, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Why "Teahouse," not "Coffeehouse"?

Just curious about the above question in regard to the name of this Wiki area. Perhaps it was the preferred beverage of the members of the naming committee?

☕ I wonder if any of my fellow coffee fans have had some beans to grind about this over the years ... Augnablik (talk) 20:53, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

@Augnablik: A question like this is probably more suited for Wikipedia talk:Teahouse. Despite it's name, the TH isn't really a forum for water cooler types of discussions like this or even the WP:THQ#Memorable editing tales? discussion that you started above. This my personal opinion perhaps, but it's probably best to not try and stray too far outside the scope of the TH with your questions. Having said that, you can probably find out much more about the "history" of the TH in its talk page's archives, and there might be relevant discussion related to its name. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:09, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Ooops. Augnablik (talk) 21:17, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

@Augnablik The answer lies in the very top of the page, in the "About the Teahouse" link, where it says The name Teahouse is meant to evoke the idea of a comfortable social space for meaningful personal interaction among peers. The name Teahouse is also a nod to the English Wikipedia essay a nice cup of tea and a sit down, which urges editors to acknowledge one another's good points, and is often used to nudge people towards being congenial when things get heated. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 21:12, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Yes, though it could also have been a nice cup of COFFEE and a sit down. But how about we clear the cups and table the discussion — I guess it was more of a fun question than a true help topic (even though I really did come to wonder about the name). Augnablik (talk) 21:41, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Trying to translate Wiki page but confused about requirements

Hey, I'm trying to translate a wikipedia (specifically, Yuba County Five) to Russian to help practice and keep up-to-date my Russian skills (I've been studying it for multiple years at University). However, I'm confused about the requirements that I must meet to do so. I got a message that says I should set up my Babel, I did that, but I'm unsure where to go from here to be able to edit the Wiki page. Roblewi (talk) 22:52, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

@Roblewi: I am not sure why you need babel, unless it is part of the translation tool? See WP:TRANSLATEUS for guidance from en wiki and ru:Википедия:Перевод_статей for the rules on RU wiki. RudolfRed (talk) 23:01, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

@Roblewi There are no official "requirements". If you believe you are able to translate the article, you may. WP:Babel is just something you put on your userpage to let others know what languages you speak. Toadspike [Talk] 08:36, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Ok f we want to help translate, is it okay to use Google Translate if we get stuck? Fiona la Rue (talk) 10:52, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi Fiona la Rue. When it comes to English Wikipedia, machine translations aren't really desirable for the reasons given in WP:MACHINETRANSLATION. Russian Wikpedia might have policies aren't as restrictive, but you'll need to ask there to make sure. Personally, I wouldn't really recommend using Google translate unless you're fairly competent in both the source language (English) and Russian to be able to check the translation for mistakes. You might be better off seeking help from one of the users listed at WP:TRANSLATORS to see if you can find someone good enough at Russian to help with the translation. You could also try WP:RUSSIA since there may be some members of that WikiProject who are also good at Russian.

In addition, one important thing to remember about WP:TRANSLATEUS is that not all Wikipedia projects have the same policies and guidelines. Translating an English Wikipedia article into Russian is fine if you're just doing it for practice and for personal enjoyment. Translating and English Wikipedia article into Russian for Russian Wikipedia, however, can be trickier because you're going to need to make sure that the subject matter meets relevant Russian Wikipedia policy and guidelines, particularly when it comes to Russian Wikipedia's guidelines on Wikipedia notablity (ru:Википедия:Значимость). You shouldn't just automatically assume that because an article exists on English Wikipedia, it also should exist on Russian Wikipedia. This is also something else you're going to need to ask about at Russian Wikipedia.

Finally, in your post above you stated Ok f we want to help translate, but it's not clear who the "we" is. Assuming that you're only referring to yourself, then it's not big deal. If, however, you perhaps referring to yourself and others who might also be working with you on this project, the please take a look at WP:SHAREDACCOUNT for some information you should be aware of. As long as everyone creates their own Wikipedia account and only one person uses it to edit, things should be OK. If, on the other hand, people start sharing accounts, then that would be a problem that could possibly lead to the account being blocked. -- Marchjuly (talk) 11:24, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Disruptive editing question.

This is my first time asking a question here so forgive me if I do something incorrectly.

There's an IP user who is spamming numerous automotive vehicle articles with very excessive wikilinks to other vehicles that are at best tangentially related. It's not just a few vehicle links, but sometimes dozens, for example: [5] [6] [7] [8]. It seriously harms readability and is completely unnecessary.
I've left more than one message on their talk page trying to describe why these edits should stop but they keep on putting these links to other vehicles in. I don't want to revert them too much lest I breach 3RR and I don't know if these edits cross the line into outright vandalism. I'm not exactly sure what I should do in this situation. Is this something for ANI or some other forum perhaps?
Any assistance from more experienced editors would be much appreciated! Sigma440 (talk) 00:08, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, @Sigma440, and welcome to the Teahouse. (deafult welcome response))

Unfortunately I'm not an expperienced editor here, but I've seen the vastly redundant addition of information in one of the edited articles. I think this is vandalism to some extent.

maybe you could contact a moderator here, ask that mod to place some restrictions on this IP user, or to contact this user.

or you could summarise all the added info.

Or you could just painstakingly remove all the addidions one by one.

Either way, all the best. Garethphua (talk) 07:11, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

@Sigma440 These edits seem non-constructive, and if they don't stop when told, could be vandalism. You should leave a warning on the IP editor's Talk page telling them not to do this. If they still continue, you can report them at WP:AIV, which is the usual place for reporting vandals to admins. Toadspike [Talk] 08:39, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Recreating a deleted article

Can a deleted article be recreated where by the article is been improved? Abigailka (talk) 00:39, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

@Abigailka: It depends on the reason for deletion, but yes this can happen in some cases. See WP:REFUND RudolfRed (talk) 02:40, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Assuming Abigailka is talking about RG Qluck Wise (based on their creation of Draft:RG Qluck Wise, REFUND is not an option because the article was deleted via Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/RG Qluck Wise. That AFD provides important information about what you will need to include in any attempt at creating an article on that subject. DMacks (talk) 13:49, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Addition to an article

The page on B-24 Liberator Accidents could be updated with information I recently discovered about my great-uncle, Robert Larsen. Sergeant Larsen served with the 539th Bomb Squadron, 382nd Bomb Group, from Pocatello Army Air Base during World War II. While on a flight from Pocatello to Hamilton Field in Northern California, a fire caused an explosion aboard B-24D Liberator #41-24255, and the bomber crashed one mile northeast of Nubieber, in Lassen County, California. (His death was Aug. 5, 1943) Nine Crew members were killed: 2601:603:1081:60E0:6C7C:992E:4F8E:8484 (talk) 03:29, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, IP user, and welcome to the Teahouse. The article might indeed be updated - but only if you have a reliable published source for the information. I'm afraid unpublished documents and personal recollections are not accepted as a basis for information in Wikipedia articles.

If you have such a source, I suggest starting a discussion on the talk page (I presume that's Talk:Accidents and incidents involving the Consolidated B-24 Liberator). ColinFine (talk) 04:03, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

How to stylize your signature?

I would like to know how to stylize your signature. Thanks! Snipertron12 (talk) 08:37, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

@Snipertron12 WP:Signature tutorial is great; it's where I got inspiration for mine. But be sure to follow WP:SIG. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 08:40, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! 𝗦𝗻𝗶𝗽𝗲𝗿𝗧𝗿𝗼𝗻𝟭𝟮 [|User|Talk|] 08:51, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Like '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 09:04, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Snipertron12. Please be aware that Wikipedia is a project to build an encyclopedia, not some gigantic video game. Always keep your eyes on the prize, the real prize, which is improving the encyclopedia. Improving articles should always takes precedence over stylizing your signature. Cullen328 (talk) 09:13, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Alright. 𝗦𝗻𝗶𝗽𝗲𝗿𝗧𝗿𝗼𝗻𝟭𝟮 [|User|Talk|] 13:01, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Questions off limits?

As a Wikipedia member since 2009, with just dozens of dozen edits over that period of time, I hope you can help clarify participation in Talk discussions.

I asked two questions today in discussions, related specifically to article information policy, and making no content changes. Both questions regarded editing clarification. Both questions were deleted without explanation. I have linked the two instances below for your easy access. Can you help me understand why questions would simply be deleted rather than at least referred to sources relevant to answering them?

1: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=1224569412

2: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ANakba&oldid=prev&diff=1224554040

Any and all direction is greatly appreciated. Jetpower (talk) 09:47, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi Jetpower, welcome to the Teahouse. The reason for the reverts was explained in the edit summaries: [9] [10]. Blue text like WP:ARBECR and WP:ECR is clickable links (leading to the same place here). "see header notice" in the first edit summary refers to the box "Warning: active arbitration remedies" near the top of Talk:Gaza–Israel conflict. The box can also be seen at Template:ArbCom Arab-Israeli enforcement. Your account has too few edits to participate in discussions about the Arab–Israeli conflict, maybe the most contentious topic in Wikipedia where numerous unproductive discussions have gone out of control. The account must be over 30 days old and have over 500 edits. Your account creation was actually in 2008 but you only have 64 edits. It may seem unfair that you aren't allowed to participate in those discussions but the decision wasn't taken ligthly and you haven't seen the problems which caused it. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:33, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Jetpower. The articles and talk pages you are trying to edit are under strict Extended confirmed protection. All articles without exception having to do with the Arab-Israeli conflict have these heightened restrictions. Edit requsts are limited to utterly uncontroversial things like typographical errors or misspellings. Other than that, you are not permitted to edit in that topic area. Your account is old enough but has made only 64 edits. You need to make at least 436 more productive, useful edits, and do not try to crank them out thoughtlessly. Cullen328 (talk) 10:39, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Draft Review

Can anyone review Draft:RG Qluck Wise

Best regards, Abigailka (talk) 14:40, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

@Abigailka Reviewers usually don't review drafts on request. Like the template says, This may take 3 months or more, since drafts are reviewed in no specific order. There are 2,709 pending submissions waiting for review. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 14:44, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Abigailka, the text of Draft:RG Qluck Wise cites only two sources. The first appears to have been written by the subject, and the second is based on what he's said, so neither is independent of him. Please read about Wikipedia's concept of notability: to get your draft accepted, you'll need several reliable independent published sources. Maproom (talk) 19:26, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

searching for the appropriate place to discus misconduct by fellow editor?

Hello, What is the appropriate place to raise my concern regarding Gaming the use of Policies and guidelines of Wikipedia?

I have tried writing in the reliable source notice board and Found out it was not the right place, what is the right place? 79.180.47.77 (talk) 14:53, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

It's not clear what is exact issue. First official policy you need to consider WP:AGF i.e. assume good faith.

Usually I always say is if content dispute goes of the track then go back to the track according to the WP:DR. If your real concern is content then Would strongly advice to avoid personalization of dispute as much as possible.

Any personal issues still remain discuss at user talk page. Next step you can inform at admin talk page if any admin has handled the article or talk page. Follow WP:DDE protocol.( Emphasis added). Last resort is WP:ANI. Before going to WP:ANI you need to know WP:BOOMERANG. Bookku (talk) 15:08, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Hey Bookku, thanks for the replay!

unfortunately, the editors from the group which I have suspicion in collaboration and "gaming the system" have also informed me I am Not Allowed to describe or discuss my Issue related to the topic as non-register user or it will count as "forum shopping"/"canvasing", and that basically I am Only allowed to Raise Edit Request that ~99% with the editors will agree with in that topic. (at least that what I was able to understand from the response)

.

for that reason, I will keeping my question Hypothetical and not exact to understand the policy and good editorial standard.

I've re-read all the policies and I am more confused then I was before :)

according to WP:DR,

if an editor try to gain consensus thro BOLD editing, and another editor remove his sources material, in requisite that the source is biased source, and he re-instate it without gaining consensus, then he has started an "edit-war", am I correct in my interpretation of the rule?

basically, I am Asking is what are the correct steps that I should Take if I see something like this happen again as an unregister user see Wrong Information That Have been inserted to Wikipedia. 79.180.47.77 (talk) 19:34, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

IP, you are trying to edit contentious articles with an IP. Some but not all contentious areas have seen enough disruption in the past that more severe remedies are in effect and more stringent rules apply than are explained for the general case in our policies and guidelines. The other editors are correct that you should not be editing Isreal-Palestine area as an unregistered editor. You need to register an account and gain sufficient experience editing elsewhere. This is so that everyone can get to know you as an editor and you get to know Wikipedia better before you dive into controversies from which very few editors emerge triumphant. — Usedtobecool ☎️ 19:48, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Hey UsedToBeCool, thank you for your comment,

just a clarification, I Am not trying to Edit contentious articles without register, I am trying to understand how unregister users can ask for clarification regarding violation made by registers users in the contentious fields articles, via edit request like it is allowed according to the policy.

thanks. 79.180.47.77 (talk) 21:00, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

How do I create a page on mobile

How do i create a page on a mobile device Polarbear1224 (talk) 16:57, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Same as on desktop. Since you're new you'll need to go through Articles for Creation. Read and inwardly digest the instructions there, then click on "Click here to start a new article". -- D'n'B-t -- 17:10, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Polarbear1224. Please read my essay User:Cullen328/Smartphone editing. Good luck. Cullen328 (talk) 21:04, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

formatting table

Where can I learn about making a table with text in columns? Thanks. rootsmusic (talk) 17:05, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

@Rootsmusic: Welcome to the Teahouse. Does Help:Table address your question? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:07, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Yes @Tenryuu, thanks! rootsmusic (talk) 18:36, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Help With Editing

Hi, let me tell you a scenario. I want to create a battle but I'm not sure how to add references in the battle infobox. Could you please tell me? I want to use a reference i got for the infobox, and for something else. Basically, I'm going to reuse the reference i put in the battle on other paragraphs as well. Thanks. Also, what is the difference between footnotes, references and sources? Thanks so much and have a good day! :) Fauji Enthusiast (talk) 17:30, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Sky Source

How Poor Can Sent Own satellite to Space or Raise money for Completion of Moon Visit? Word " Poor " is changeable with " Deserving " AG.PAK (talk) 17:55, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

This is a forum for questions about editing Wikipedia. Do you have a question about editing Wikipedia? -- D'n'B-t -- 18:14, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Navbox on Mobile?

How can I enable NavBoxs in the when using the mobile view? I've tried to edit my user CSS, but the navboxes still do not render. — BillHPike (talk, contribs) 20:43, 19 May 2024 (UTC)