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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was not promoted 22:28, 29 April 2008.

List of storms in the 2006 Atlantic hurricane season[edit]

Based off of the 2003 Atlantic hurricane season and 2005 Atlantic hurricane season, I rewrote 2006 Atlantic hurricane season with the same format, splitting the storms section into its own list. While there might be very minor stuff that I can't see, I think after a few months of on-and-off work, this meets the FL criteria. If not, I will be happy to address any issues that come up. Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 21:51, 15 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved stuff from The Rambling Man (talk) 16:53, 17 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from The Rambling Man (talk · contribs)

Hello Julian, good work as usual, so my comments are here:

  • No image for the lead looks a little odd.
  • References (currently [23] and [38]) need to be templated.
  • " It started " I'd go back to "The season started..."
  • "These dates conventionally delimit ..." can this be cited?
  • " for 2 indirect " two.
  • "least 7 people " seven, and why "at least"?
  • The little Storms key/box thingy, what is it? To a non expert it's not very enlightening!
  • Why are "main" articles placed in bold? I think the template should be modified to not bold, there's no reason for using bold here. Is there any reason why the normal {{main}} template isn't used in these articles?
  • "45 mph.[6]" needs conversion.
  • Why the bullet points and in-line linking?
  • "19 foot seas (5.97 m)" shouldn't this be "19 feet (5.97 m) seas"?
  • "10 feet " needs conversion.
  • Merge last to paras of Enersto to avoid short paras.
  • " 405 miles " needs conversion.
  • "1000 miles " ditto.
  • 4 injuries, 1 injury - four, one.
  • Link relevant Ryder Cup

That's it for now, mainly trivial stuff. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:55, 16 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    • Good comments and suggestions, as usual, thanks! As for the storms box thing, it's in the List of storms in the 2003 Atlantic hurricane season and the List of storms in the 2005 Atlantic hurricane season, so I fiqured I'd stick it in. I took it out, because your'e right, it really doesn't do much good. As for the bold main article links, most if not all of the tropical cyclone and season articles write them that way, so it's became a kind of custom, I would guess. I'm working on the other stuff in a different tab, so I should be done fixing this stuff in a half hour. Thanks, Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 12:18, 16 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Oh, and as for the bullet-point in-line linking, that's another thing that the Tropical Cyclone WikiProject does for all of the season articles and season lists. Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 12:23, 16 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • Yeah, I saw that you hurricane guys use your own template instead of {{main}} - any reason why? The only difference I could see is that it's bold. Which is a little odd.... 12:24, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
        • It is a little odd, I guess. Remember, I didn't write the guidelines, I just follow by them.;) Anyway, I think I got everything, so it should be good. Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 12:29, 16 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
          • Of course, Julian, I understand, don't shoot the messenger, right?! Yeah, things like that which are project based I will probably keep pointing out until the projects in question fall in line with the general manual of style, seems strange for all of Wikipedia bar the Hurricane project to use {{main}}... Still, not to worry. I'll check over the article again shortly. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:35, 16 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Actually "working" at the moment, I'll get back to you! The Rambling Man (talk) 13:25, 16 April 2008 (UTC) More[reply]

  • Still don't think the in-line linking is good for featured content.
  • Nor the bold See also but that won't kill it for me!
  • CHC is used without explanation.
  • Refs 28 and 30 need to use the {{cite web}} template.

The Rambling Man (talk) 16:53, 17 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    • Alright, I can do most of those, but if you look at all FA and FL tropical cyclone season articles, they all have in-line links to the Tropical Cyclone Report and such. Also, I don't know what I can do about the bolding, because the majority of the WP:WPTC thinks we should maintain consistency with what we have always done. So, I'll see what I can do. Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 00:16, 18 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - while I'm concerned over Wikiprojects using their own pseudo-templates in contravention of the general manual of style, this is not the place to get all uptight about it. My major concerns have been addressed and I'm happy to see this become a featured list. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:34, 18 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • As usual, thank you for your helpful comments and suggestions. I'll ask some people about those templates, and I'll see what I can do. Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 17:36, 18 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sorry to rain on the parade a little - but 11 dead links? Surely this needs rectifying? weburiedoursecretsinthegarden 19:22, 19 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Support - I will fully support once the article's dead links are fixed. Article now meets standards for a support.Mitch32contribs 19:02, 23 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Oppose. There are a few sections that don't end with a reference. Be sure every paragraph ends with a ref. ♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 19:03, 23 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • Alright, I think I added a reference to the end of every paragraph. Do you support, oppose? Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 01:10, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        • If I have to decide, I oppose. Overall writing is weak. On June 10, an area of disturbed weather associated with a broad low pressure area off the coast of Belize organized over the warm waters of the Caribbean Sea and became the first tropical depression of the season. Just for example, there are redundancies, unexplained terms (and un-Wikilinked), and too many words for a single thought. Either split it into two sentences, or organize it better. That said, given that the first sentence in the article is poorly worded, I have concerns for the writing of the rest of the article, and indeed the first sentence of each of the remaining sections aren't the best they can be. I notice the writing wasn't changed at all from the original season article, which heightens my oppose. When the season was active, the storm summaries were being written at the same time, leaving the sections with a jumbled feel. The sourcing is weak in the article, with several sections having inappropriate referencing (first paragraph of Alberto is all sourced to one single discussion, though all of the info in the first para is clearly not in that ref). Also, the ref you put at the end of the Alberto section is inappropriate, since the TCR does not mention any damage totals. The section for Helene seems inappropriately short, given that Debby's is just as long, despite the latter lasting much shorter time and not being nearly as strong. The article needs a lot of work, IMO. ♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 03:21, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
          • I did exactly the same thing you did to the List of storms in the 2003 Atlantic hurricane season. So, it was fine when you did it, but you're going to oppose when I did it? Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 12:55, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
          • Also, I don't see what you want to be further explained or Wikilinked. And what is jumbled about it? Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 13:08, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
            • JC, the difference is that I rewrote the sections before splitting it! This FLC is about this list, not about any other lists, so my objection remains. That first sentence I mentioned was 38 words long, with only one comma when I pointed it out. Since this list was once an article (and that it has a significant amount of prose), it needs to be well-written. A few other writing comments- a vigorous tropical wave formed off the coast of Africa - tropical waves generally don't form off the coast of Africa. At 3:15 p.m. EDT (1915 UTC) on August 24, - any reason so specific? In the Florence section, "science had prevailed" - is there any reason that quote was included? It appears it's the only quote in the article, and it doesn't seem NPOV, since it seems biased toward forecasters. As Florence moved away, a low-pressure system gradually became more organized northeast of the Lesser Antilles - this is very awkward how it opens the entire section. Outside of the writing, the sourcing is weak, as pointed out before. Double check the refs in the article, since many are to a single discussion that don't source the previous section. ♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 16:25, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
              • Well, I gave it a copyedit and fixed all of the issues you pointed out, I made sure all of the references agreed with the information, I made sure everything is factually accurite. I'm sure you'll find more things to complain about, thought. :P Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 18:33, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
                • It's a little better, but I'm still opposed. For example, the entire section on Isaac is sourced by a single CHC statement that does not talk about the early history of the storm. The second half of the second paragraph on Gordon is sourced by a single NHC advisory; said advisory was released before the storm dissipated, so how does the ref also cover information that happened several days later when it was extratropical? The Florence section goes way too much into the early portion of its storm history. The last sentence, which is unsourced, jumbles the peak intensity and extratropical transition without going into detail of impacts. Additionally, six lines in the Florence section are referenced to a single NHC discussion that doesn't even cover those six lines. I could go on, but given all of these problems, and how many problems that were unnoticed until FLC, means I am opposed to this being considered the very best work of Wikipedia. ♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 21:18, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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