Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Tampa Bay Lightning seasons/archive1

The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by Dabomb87 22:48, 18 February 2011 [1].

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List of Tampa Bay Lightning seasons

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• Featured list candidates/List of Tampa Bay Lightning seasons/archive1

Nominator(s): Nomader ^(Talk) 22:45, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured list because I feel it now meets the FL criteria. I've based it off of my work at List of Washington Capitals seasons and other FL NHL season articles such as List of New Jersey Devils seasons and List of New York Islanders seasons among others. Glad to be back at FLC and I look forward to addressing your comments and concerns. This is also a WP:WIKICUP nomination. Nomader ^(Talk) 22:45, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

• Comment the most obvious thing is that "hockey" in the first sentence should be expanded to ice hockey, or at the very least piped to [[ice hockey|hockey]] because to me, and probably a substantial chunk of the world's population, the sport called "hockey" does not involve blokes in armour on ice skates...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:14, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

• Good point, I never actually thought of that before. Changed. Nomader ^(Talk) 13:45, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 15:53, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Comments Would consider moving the "founding" part of the lead before the "where they play" part as it seems more relevant that way round. I moved the sentence. "been renamed as St. Pete Times Forum" no need for "as". Removed. "5 times in 18 completed" would prefer to see "five times in eighteen completed". Switched. Lots of obvious switches from singular to plural to singular again when referring to "Tampa Bay" or "the Lightning" makes the lead feel a little awkward to read. I did my best to address this-- I've changed it to the mostly plural form, but I'm not sure I like the way the lead's turned out right now. I'll try to keep fine tuning it in the next couple days. Link "expansion team". Linked. "their only Stanley Cup in their following" -> "... in the following..." Switched. Please check that symbols used in the key meet WP:ACCESS guidelines which means they can be read by screenreaders. If you have trouble with this, I suggest you ask User:RexxS to give you some advice. Hmm... if I were to use Latin-1 characters instead, would it then be acceptable? Looks like I'll need to send RexxS a note about this. Note (d) has a different year range format from that in the table. Corrected. Could add publisher info for the New York Times and Washington Times references. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:14, 20 January 2011 (UTC) I added The New York Times Company for the NY Times, but I wasn't aware that the Washington Times had a publisher other than itself. I'll check around and see if I can figure out if that's the case. Either way, thanks for the comments TRM. Nomader (Talk) 22:19, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Comments from RexxS:

• Accessibility of symbols: As there are numerous screen readers in use (as well as text-only browsers for those with limited bandwidth), the safest symbols to use are those you find directly on a standard keyboard, i.e. the first half of the codepage for Latin-1. As you know, that doesn't give you much choice for use as a key, although I'd suggest the '#' symbol as a replacement for the '¤' symbol. As TRM says, italic text will not be distinguished from normal text by a screen reader like JAWS, unless the user is warned beforehand to turn on announcements of presentational markup. I see you've moved away from using italics anyway for denoting Stanley Cup winners, and replaced it with a dagger. I'd agree with using a symbol in preference to italics, but the '†' symbol is read as a question mark by some screen readers. To overcome that, we've created a template {{†}} or {{dagger}} that uses an image with alt text to produce the symbol and to give a screen reader sensible text to read out. The alt text defaults to 'dagger', but you can use it to actually read out something like "Stanley Cup champions". I've made that change for you to have an example to work from on other articles. Feel free to change it if you'd prefer different alt text, or just the default. There's also a template {{‡}} or {{double-dagger}} if you ever need it. Templates for other symbols could be created on request. Hope that helps. --RexxS (talk) 19:17, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

• Thanks for the help, it's really appreciated; I've never really looked at lists from this accessibility point of view before. I've changed '¤' symbol to '#' per your suggestion in the key, and I'm going to go ahead and retrofit the other featured hockey lists. I'll let you know if I have any other access questions on your talk page. Nomader ^(Talk) 21:07, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

• Comment Support – The key says Stanley Cup-winning seasons are denoted with italics, yet I see no italics for 2004. If you're not going to use italics due to accessibility concerns, don't advertise them in the key. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 22:14, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

• Good point, I went ahead and removed them from the key. Sorry that it took me a few days to get back to you, my internet went out on my computer there. Nomader ^{(Talk</spanEastern>)} 22:54, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Resolved comments from KV5

Comments from KV5 The lead seems awfully short. Things from the list that could be discussed: best/worst regular season records and points totals, changes in division (especially since you say they were established in one and are now a member of another - why? how?), etc. I added in notes about their worst season, their loss total, and their point totals. I'll get to working on adding a little bit more to it. To be honest, I wasn't really comfortable with how short it was either, but I didn't want to pad it too much. Nomader (Talk) 20:58, 2 February 2011 (UTC) I've tweaked the lead a bit more. I haven't added in a bit about the division change, as it's linked in the notes of the graph with an explanation. If you still feel it should be included though, I'll put it in. Nomader (Talk) 19:01, 11 February 2011 (UTC) Remove spaces between indicators and their entries in the table; superscript daggers and carrots. Sorry, somehow I missed this one. I went ahead and superscripted the daggers and carrots and I removed the spaces between them. Nomader (Talk) 09:06, 6 February 2011 (UTC) In the lead: "25th highest victory total" - 25th-highest Switched. Nomader (Talk) 20:58, 2 February 2011 (UTC) You say they have won "over 500" games, but neglect that they have lost nearly 700. Be neutral: don't promote the good and skate over (bad hockey pun) the bad. Added. Nomader (Talk) 20:58, 2 February 2011 (UTC) Hope these comments help. — KV5 • Talk • 13:04, 2 February 2011 (UTC) Thanks for the comments! Nomader (Talk) 20:58, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Support — KV5 • Talk • 14:47, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

• Weak support perhaps you be good enough to be consistent with spaces (or without) before notes (e.g. there's a space before the dagger in the 03/04 season but no space before the * and Eastern, and ^ and Southeast), and NYT is relinked in the refs while ESPN isn't relinked, so consistency there would be good, otherwise all good. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:43, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
  • I went ahead and fixed the spaces. Looks like I missed the daggers when I went through it and removed them before. I also wikilinked ESPN for the second time. Thanks for the comments! Nomader ^(Talk) 22:43, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

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