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The list was not promoted by SchroCat 07:08, 1 July 2014 [1].

List of Sword Art Online episodes[edit]

List of Sword Art Online episodes (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

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Nominator(s): FairyTailRocks 05:51, 10 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hey everyone! I believe that this is another anime list qualified for FL quality. I have expanded and fixed all tweaks regarding the article all in one edit [2] because I have experimented it first in my sandbox before publishing it. Plus it will be amazing if it passed the criteria because this is one of the interesting animes I have watched. Thanks! FairyTailRocks 05:51, 10 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I also want to add that Sword Art Online was ranked seventh in the most viewed anime and manga articles as of April 2014 with the list ranking 84th. Thanks! FairyTailRocks 12:43, 11 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by DragonZero[edit]

Resolved comments from DragonZero (Talk · Contribs) 11:36, 17 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
*Anime Calendar is not a reliable source, especially since they are advertising illegal links to anime and manga.
  • Already replaced it by a link from SideReel. As I look from its information, I assume that this is a reliable source because not alike the Internet Movie Database which is a user-generated website. Also there are alot of people who has visited making it more reliable. FairyTailRocks 10:06, 12 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Why not show director and writer? They are available after all. Ep 1
  • Added in the Aincrad arc. Since I cannot understand Japanese and Google Translate is not even helping, I used Anime News Network's encyclopedia for this, but the sources are from the official website. I will continue tomorrow. Done.
  • Inconsistent sourcing. Why is TV guide sourced in the first table in the header, while the second table has it all besides the English dates?
  • Fixed
  • Why are you sourcing to Toonami Faithful instead of their source? Toonami Faithful has not established reliability as a source as far as I know.
  • Fixed.
  • Why are the tables divided by arcs?
  • Before I nominate this, I read the criteria and in no. 4 which it says "easy to navigate and includes, where helpful, section headings and table sort facilities." That's why I added it.
  • There's probably something about using in-universe terms as a subheading but I don't care enough to push this further.
  • Why is the first English media release double sourced when you got a source from the official publisher?
  • Fixed.
  • The uploaded picture needs to be reduced in size.
  • If I did not put the size, it will be very big. [3] FairyTailRocks 09:04, 13 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • I also fixed the image. Unlike before, I added more description and reduced its size. But it is still large: [4]. Thanks! FairyTailRocks 13:12, 13 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • If you reduce the image further, you won't need size restrictions on the thumbnail. Then you'll have to put the old revisions for deletion.
  • It looks like the picture degraded due to the nature of JPEG and multiple saves. I suggest uploading a png version. DragonZero (Talk · Contribs) 07:54, 14 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed, but I used jpg instead. I nominated a speedy deletion for the former image and added a new one.
  • It would've been easier to upload a new version and use orfurrev for the file.
  • But you said I have to delete the old revisions of the image. It is just the same, I only added a proper name for the file.
  • That was advice for the future, not what should be done here.
  • Sword Art Offline is only included in the Japanese volume releases?
  • Nope, Aniplex of America added these episodes in the English version.
  • Then is placing the series under the Japanese media release correct?
  • I putted the episodes under the "Japanese media release" because they were released in Japanese with English subtitles and not dubbed, also the Sword Art Offline: Extra Edition has not yet distributed outside Japan. Aniplex of America added the 25 episodes in English dubbed in North America. FairyTailRocks 10:42, 14 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Your response was unclear. If Sword Art Offline was also included in the English media disc releases, subtitled or dubbed, it should not be exclusively under the Japanese media release.
  • Deadurl=no for archived links that are live.
  • First general reference link is not helpful. Also, general references is an outdated way to source episodes.
  • I added that so that the readers know the director and producer of the overall show. I already added the director and writer of an individual episode, not to get confused though.
  • Fixed. Removed the director. FairyTailRocks 01:28, 18 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know what you did but I was referring to the general section under the reference header. DragonZero (Talk · Contribs) 02:19, 19 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Looks like I misunderstood, I thought you were referring to the first specific reference. Already removed. FairyTailRocks 03:29, 19 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I'm going to note you don't need to take every suggestion thrown at you. Unless it goes against some MoS or criteria, you could argue against it. Here is my suggestion for the general reference. The final general reference are English summaries. You could copy the style in the Code Geass lists or not.

After this, I'll have to fact/prose check the list. DragonZero (Talk · Contribs) 10:05, 14 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I might not be able to complete my review. Don't wait up DragonZero (Talk · Contribs) 10:16, 25 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think I can complete my review. I'll note you should keep improving on concision and removing unnecessary information. Randomly jumping into the list "Kirito accepts the invitation, but hides the fact that he is Level 40, twice the average level of the guild" is the level thing necessary? Being level 40 has no meaning what-so-ever to a general reader. "June 12, 2023" Same thing. As of now, I don't think the prose is at the level to garner my support (Haven't fully checked). I also want to note having the ref tab satisfies 5a better, in my opinion, as it prevents crossovers ([5]) on higher zooms and mobile devices. DragonZero (Talk · Contribs) 21:32, 8 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed some minor issues. FairyTailRocks 13:06, 22 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I'm going to agree with PresN's points, while again noting the concision and removal of unnecessary information in the summaries should continue. DragonZero (Talk · Contribs) 08:48, 27 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by KirtZJ[edit]

I'm going to list some of the things wrong with this page which I feel pose a hindrance to a potential FL. I might be judging the page a bit harshly, but it's probably what's expected given the high standard a FL has to live up to.

Resolved comments from —KirtZMessage 20:35, 9 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
:*The actual episode template doesn't conform to Template:Japanese episode list
  • Code Geass is a really old page by Wikipedia's standards and at the time, that was the accepted template format. Since it has been updated, the newest format should be used. DZ knows this. —KirtZMail 05:49, 21 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Okay, already fixed. Thanks!
  • The lead is confusing. There isnt a clear distinction between anything. A suggested division would be as follows: four paragraphs — Plot/Intro — Production/TV airings — Licensors/Home media — Musical themes. (Also the plot in the lead is way too long, a series overview is enough, no need for arc-descriptions)
  • I added those arc-descriptions because Sword Art Online spans several virtual-reality worlds and not only in the Sword Art Online game. It is a general idea for the readers to know which it summed up the whole episode list per WP:LEAD. Fixed some of it. FairyTailRocks 11:28, 21 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • The arc descriptions might look nice on a fan website, but not here. I still feel the intro can be further generalized. —KirtZMail 19:29, 21 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Then why the Bleach anime has descriptions of arcs in each seasons?
  • Bleach has a mixture of plot and filler episodes in addition to being much longer than this anime so in that particular case, those can be distinguished. Also if youre citing the Bleach lists, much like the Code Gease case, those pages are old by Wikipedia's standards. —KirtZMail 05:46, 22 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Plot already shortened. The lead is still long because of the nihongo template. FairyTailRocks 08:13, 22 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • The reference column in the episode template is unnecessary if most of the references are next to the airdates. Sort of defeats the purpose.
  • That's to cite the director and writer of each episode, per DragonZero's comments.
  • I dont think you understand. Every single reference inside the template should either be moved to the reference column or remove that column altogether if it is not being used like this. —KirtZMail 05:49, 21 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Removed. The ref is beside director and writer of each episode.
My comments were to add the directors and writers. The ref slot is an aesthetic choice to prevent repeated linking in the same row and to include an English summary which caused opposition to an old FLC. It will also prevent cross overs on mobile and higher zooms ([6]) DragonZero (Talk · Contribs) 10:16, 25 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • The note next to the "Ep. no." is absolutely unnecessary. People know what "Ep. no." means. Also, reducing THAT particular column's size opens up valuable real estate to be added elsewhere.
  • The summary for Sword Art Online: Extra Edition is way to short considering that it is about 1 hr and 40 mins long. I might add that the second half of that episode summary was completely deleted for whatever reason. Wikipedia has spoilers. See WP:SPOILER.
  • Plot needs check by third party for consistency and tense. —KirtZMail 19:39, 21 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The length of the episode should not be related to the episode summary. Conciseness and completion should be enforced. DragonZero (Talk · Contribs) 10:16, 25 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • The episode summaries have in-universe jargon which, even though some are wiki-linked, need to be generalized. See WP:INUNIVERSE
  • Fixed.
  • Abbreviations such as "VR" and "PK" (to name a few) need to be written in a generalized, non-universe form. WikiLinking those terms to save space is a tad bit lazy. —KirtZMail 19:29, 21 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Then what is purpose of having Wikipedia articles? It is just one click away for accessing information to that particular subject. Added some a few.
  • Better. A summary is meant to give a person a firm grasp on a large concept without having to do extra research. In this case, an episode summary should appease a person without them actually having to watch the episode to understand what happened. This needs a consistency check now to make sure the terms make sense with the plot. —KirtZMail 05:46, 22 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Some of the episodes have plot breaks at strange places. They may need to be completely rewritten from scratch instead of being reduced forms of what was already there.
  • Not Done—Since the episode list is the main part of the page, this needs checking over and rechecking by a third party for plot and tense consistency. Mostly plot though. —KirtZMail 19:29, 21 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Expanded some episodes. The ANN sources in the lead covers the episodes. FairyTailRocks 12:27, 27 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Japanese airdates are unsourced. Also I am unsure of the reliability of TVguide.com to source the English airdates. —KirtZMail 19:43, 21 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • They are not unsourced, someone just removed it from the table and I reverted it earlier. TV Guide publishes its own magazine and provides television program listings information. FairyTailRocks 03:31, 22 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Persons from the WikiProjects covering this page should verify its reliability. —KirtZMail 05:46, 22 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • TV Guide was an American program listings from the 1990s gone digital. Being non-user edited/suggested and that I have not encountered an error when using it, I'd consider it acceptable on the same level as amazon; so it should be replaced if better sources exist. DragonZero (Talk · Contribs) 10:16, 25 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Also I questioned the WP:TELEVISION community about this WT:TV#Reliable sources which is TV Guide is one of the reliable sources there is. Please see Wikipedia:WikiProject Television/FAQ. I may not edit for a while because my computer crashed. FairyTailRocks 04:56, 26 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Replaced the SideReel link with Hulu due to my question in WP:TELEVISION. It now cites the subbed airdates and the official english title of each episodes, while the refs column cites the english airdate, director, writer and the original title. I hope this clears up the sourcing in the template. FairyTailRocks 11:18, 26 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by CAWylie[edit]

I feel the Ref column is also unnecessary since the episodes have aired. Removing this column also frees up "real estate". — Wyliepedia 05:47, 21 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
This is what I'm trying to explain. —KirtZMail 05:50, 21 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

  • "The players discover that they cannot log out where the creator of the game, Akihiko Kayaba issues them an ultimatum" - when, not where; needs a comma after Kayaba
  • "The series premiered from July 7 to December 22, 2012" - it can only premier once, it's just broadcast after that
  • "Eventually, Aniplex of America announced that the English version will be airing on Adult Swim's Toonami block starting from July 27, 2013" - eventually is editorializing, and the tense is wrong
  • "The first DVD and Blu-ray Disc volumes[...]concluded on June 26, 2013" - you need a new subject for that second verb
  • "An English dubbed version was released in North America on August 13, 2013" - dvd, or broadcast?
  • "While its second ending theme, used from episodes 15 through 24, is "Overfly" sang by Luna Haruna." - sentence fragment
  • "The third ending theme used for the final episode, is "Crossing Field"." - comma is unnecessary
  • Note A has a sentence fragment
  • "If they die in the game, their real bodies will perish, as well." - don't need that second comma.
  • "Kirito tries to warn him, but Illfang strikes down first" - strikes down?
  • "When Keita learns of his guild's demise, and Kirito's player level, he jumps to his death." - why would he kill himself because of Kirito's player level?
  • "However, their meal is interrupted by a scream." - you do this a few times, the "however, simple phrase" is really choppy- consider combining it with the previous sentence with ", but"
  • "Later, Yolko, Kains' girlfriend mentions" - comma after girlfriend, whenever you have an appositive where you define a name you just stated you need commas before and after it
  • You switch from Lisbeth to Liz in episode 7 without ever mentioning that it's the same person
  • I'm just going to stop here, I feel like I'm starting to skim the sentences and missing a lot. There's a lot of prose problems, even after all the comments above, and the whole list needs a copy-edit.
  • Additionally, I feel like the episode summaries could really be cut down. I know people above have said the same thing, but they still get a bit too in-depth even now.
  • --PresN 19:15, 24 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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