Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Swami Vivekananda/archive1

The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was not promoted by Ian Rose 22:46, 21 December 2012 [1].

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Swami Vivekananda

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Nominator(s): Shrikanthv (talk) 12:10, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

• Withdraw I withdraw from my nomination as it is found the article needs some more work as per Dwaipayanc Shrikanthv (talk) 18:38, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured article in behalf of Indian community and especially (CorrectKnowledge, Titodutta,Dwaipayanc and others, ) because the source of the article is of tremendous influence in the world over philosophy and Hinduism. on 12th Jan being the birth aniversary of the candidate we want to make it an FA on that day. The article has under gone tremendous rework for matching the FA criteria and I feel is now ready for FA Shrikanthv (talk) 12:10, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Comment - The following, which are listed as sources are not cited in the article:

• Advaita Ashrama (1983), Reminiscences of Swami Vivekananda (3 ed.), Calcutta, India: Advaita Ashrama, p. 430,
• Badrinath, Chaturvedi (2006), Swami Vivekananda The Living Vedanta, New York: Penguin,
• Bakshi, Rajni (1994), The Dispute Over Swami Vivekananda's Legacy: a warning and an opportunity, Mapusa, Goa: Other India Press, p. 32, OCLC 312292829
• Basu, Sankariprasad (in Bengali), (Swami Vivekananda in Contemporary Indian News), 7
• Basu, Shamita (2002), Religious Revivalism as Nationalist Discourse: Swami Vivekananda and new Hinduism in nineteenth century Bengal, New Delhi: Oxford University Press,
• Biswas, Arun Kumar (1987), Buddha and Bodhisattva—A Hindu View, New Delhi: Cosmo Publications,
• Dutta, Mahendranath, Dhirendranath Basu, ed., Sri Sri Ramakrishner Anudhyan (6 ed.)
• Gambhirananda, Swami (1983) [1957], History of the Ramakrishna Math and Mission (3rd ed.), Calcutta, India: Advaita Ashrama
• Jones, Kenneth W. (1989), Socio-religious movements in British India, Cambridge, England: Cambridge University Press,
• Jyotirmayananda, Swami (2000) [1986], Vivekananda: His Gospel of Man-Making with a garland of tributes and a chronicle of his life and times, with pictures (4th ed.), Chennai, India: Swami Jyotirmayananda, p. 960,
• Justice, Phyllis G. (2003), Holy People of the World, ABC-CLIO, p. 899
• Mannumel, Thomas (1991), The Advaita of Vivekananda: A Philosophical Appraisal, Chennai: TR Publications,
• Mumukshananda, Swami, ed. (1995), Vivekananda: The Great Spiritual Teacher: A Compilation, Calcutta, India: Advaita Ashrama
• Nivedita, Sister (1910), The Master As I Saw Him, London: Longmans, Green & Co.
• Nivedita, Sister (1913), Notes of Some Wanderings With the Swami Vivekananda, Kolkata: Udbodhan Office, OCLC 318175662

Graham Colm (talk) 12:26, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Comment has been corrected now Shrikanthv (talk) 13:28, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

One more:

• Masih, Y (1991), "Introduction to Religious Philosophy", Introduction to Religious Philosophy, New Delhi: Motilal Banarsidass,

And there is a problem here: During these travels he made acquaintance and stayed with Indians from all walks of life and religions—scholars, dewans[nb 2], rajas{{#tag:ref| is an Indian term for a monarch |group="nb"}, Hindus, Muslims, Christians, pariahs (low caste workers) and government officials.[62] Graham Colm (talk) 13:40, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Comment has been corrected now Shrikanthv (talk) 14:34, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Comments continued There is a problem with close-paraphrasing here:

• Article: At the Belur Math, Mahatma Gandhi was heard to say that his whole life was an effort to bring into action the ideas of Vivekananda.[162]
• Source: Ghandi, sitting on the ghat at Belur Math, was heard to say that his whole life was an effort to bring into action the ideas of Vivekananda.

I thorough check for similar issues will be needed at some stage. It would be more condusive to this candidate's success if the nominators made sure no similar issues come to light. Also, no page numbers are given for reference #90. Graham Colm (talk) 14:59, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Ref 90 is a 30 pages JSTOR document. And this citation has been used thrice in the article from three different parts of the document (page 7–26? as mentioned in bibliography section?) Do you suggest to write it more precisely? --Tito Dutta (talk) 15:30, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Comment : reworded the close paraphrasing to new sentence. also added the page numbers in the citation itself, have checked in the citation for other missing page numbers Shrikanthv (talk) 07:40, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

More Has this nomination been discussed with the principal contributors? The FAC instructions state, "Nominators who are not significant contributors to the article should consult regular editors of the article prior to a nomination." Graham Colm (talk) 15:22, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Please not here that all top 5 contributors were in final discussion and it was matter of hours before it was being nominated. i think the above is not a problem Shrikanthv (talk) 07:13, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

Remove FAC, out of process. The discussion linked above most clearly shows Dwaipayanc (a competent editor) not indicating the article is ready, and others indicating they are not available. I do not see where Dwaipayanc indicated the article was good to go. He said to wait some hours, and no followup is posted. Significant contributors should be consulted, agree the article is ready, and be on board. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 03:12, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

Comment please have a look here we had a basic review before nominating aslo here Shrikanthv (talk) 11:18, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

Can you please eloborate the word "competent" in wiki rules and regulations ? . Please note check the edit history and timing it was nominated after the timings were mentioned and after edits were made by dwaipayanc, is it considered if some body says good to go or not this as the standard of doing an FAC ? , please have a neutral mind and check the article for FAC any other things of just saying the "competent" said wait for hours or not is just political and nothing to do with article itself. Shrikanthv (talk)

Oppose -suggest withdrawl. Substantial sections of the article are the same or very closely paraphrased as in this article, [2] which is "© Swami Vivekananda, Sports, Youth & Cultural Activities Department, Government of Gujarat.All Rights Reserved." Graham Colm (talk) 19:02, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

Not copied: That's a mirror of Wikipedia (or they have followed our basic structure and then changed some wordings). We have not copied! Also, the chronology they are using is very similar to (I avoided the word "copy" deliberately since it is a Government website, but actually it is "duplicate") the chronology of official Belur Math's Vivekananda biography. See bottom of the page of this. Also note, I proposed multiple spelling changes at that time, see two sections here. I can see that site is still using the old and wrong spellings (though no one will catch it unless he is an expert of the subject) which we had in first half of 2012. --Tito Dutta (talk) 02:48, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

They are claiming copyright. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 03:12, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

I have nothing to do. All I can think at this moment is sending them a Standard license violation letter. But, 1) if we have to do it, I want to learn exactly when that Government site was created, it seems to be a new site to celebrate Vivekananda's 150 birth year. But, in Wikipedia we have this content for a long time now (any idea how to find the information? I could not find the information in their site when they created that site!) 2) since that is a Government document they have not given any email to contact. It seems I have to contact them in person or send them postal mail which will be almost impossible for me. Wikimedia Foundation India can help here? --Tito Dutta (talk) 04:13, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

Please note that the figure in the article is famous and known to India and related people all over the world , and the article is a biography and not a article about fiction, so the facts are bound to look similar given there are thousands of articles about biography of the said person present all over the world. please have a neutral look at the article and the sources cited. Shrikanthv (talk) 11:11, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

Note: The website's disclaimer says "Some information on the web-site is collected from external sources. We have no control on accuracy, relevancy, study or completers, nor do we give any such guarantee. As the information in the web-site is for the benefit of the people only, no legal right or responsibility arises there from." §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 12:31, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

• Withdraw I would suggest withdrawal of this nomination. There persist severe copy-vio/close paraphrasing problem, especially from Banhatti book and Chandrakunnel book. I started abruptly from the middle of the article, and proceeded downwards, and found awful lot of copy-vio. I am trying to fix those. However, an FAC during fixing copy-vio does not look good!

That website of Gujarat government probably is not a major problem, they might have copied from WP.

I suggest withdrawal now, continuation of the recent spurt of activity in the article, and re-submission soon. I quickly discussed this with TitoDutta, the major contributor; he is ok with this plan. --Dwaipayan (talk) 15:57, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

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