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The article was promoted by User:Raul654 19:07, 14 December 2008 [1].

Over the Rainbow (Connie Talbot album)[edit]

Nominator(s): J Milburn (talk)

Connie Talbot is now featured, and her new album was released today, meaning that there is now unlikely to be much further coverage of this one. I am more than happy to work with any suggestions posted here. J Milburn (talk) 20:15, 24 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image review - I see no reason for three album covers. Yes, they are different, but not sufficiently so that we need to see them all. Choose one and then I'll review the fair use rationale for that cover. Awadewit (talk) 22:34, 24 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that there are too many. I feel the original cover (the Christmas one) and one other should be kept- the article does make a clear distinction between the two releases. I wasn't sure which to remove, but I guess the UK version was released first- I have removed and deleted the U.S. cover. For those interested, the U.S. release cover looks like this- practically the same as the UK rerelease cover. I'm happy to swap them over if anyone thinks that the U.S. release cover should be used instead. J Milburn (talk) 23:10, 24 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, there are multiple releases of the album, but the article does not discuss the different covers. There is no reason to have both of the images. Note that WP:NFC states that cover art can only be used "in the context of critical commentary of that item (not for identification without critical commentary)". That means, technically, that we should really have critical commentary on both covers. However, we have come to accept one cover image, whether it has critical commentary or not. Two is out of the question, however. Awadewit (talk) 23:21, 24 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, that's fine. Which cover should I go for? The original? J Milburn (talk) 23:29, 24 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
If you have critical commentary on one of the covers, use that one. If not, I would suggest the original, yes. Awadewit (talk) 23:37, 24 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Done. If anyone is interested for whatever reason, the rerelease cover can be seen here. J Milburn (talk) 23:43, 24 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Now, you just need to fix up the "purpose of use" so it makes sense. There was quite an extensive "purpose of use" for one of the other covers - I would use that one. Awadewit (talk) 23:51, 24 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
FurMe'd it. Should be fine now. J Milburn (talk) 23:56, 24 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
All image concerns met. Awadewit (talk) 05:33, 25 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose (changed, see below). Sorry to nitpick, but I have some concerns (I did some edits to edit minor concerns myself):
  • "The recording of the album and its release were geared towards Talbot's young age, with much of the recording being done in her aunt's spare room."
You mention the promotion surround the release in a later sentence and the release doesn't really have anything to do with her aunt's bedroom as the second part of the sentence implies. I'd say "The album's recording schedule was geared towards ...." with an added explanation after the bit about promotion in the lead to say exactly why it was done ( to preserve her childhood)
  • I've changed it again to give you an idea what sort of construction I'm looking for. Feel free to tweak. - Mgm|(talk) 00:16, 26 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • "She later toured Asia in support of the album, achieving more success on the Asian charts, with the album reaching number one in three countries."
I would recommend explicitly mentioning the countries, not doing so doesn't really save any space. Also, if the promotion was initially kept to a minimum, then how, why and when was it decided to do a promotional tour of Asia?
  • Mentioned the countries. I don't really know the answer to your next question, though I do know that this wasn't your standard pop music tour- she appeared on TV a couple of times, did a couple of interviews and met a few famous people. No sell-out two hour performances in stadiums with screaming fans. J Milburn (talk) 15:52, 25 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I actually meant the ones in which it hit number 1, not the ones she toured. - Mgm|(talk) 00:16, 26 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed. J Milburn (talk) 17:08, 26 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • The lead says the album peaked at number 38 in the British charts, the section says 35. Which one is it?
    • Section. I got it wrong in the first place after relying on a poor source, and obviously forgot to update. J Milburn (talk) 15:52, 25 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Are there no numbers available for the pressings for the US release and rerelease?
    • I have never seen any, and I've read every news story indexed by Google News, and all the news entries on the official site. J Milburn (talk) 15:52, 25 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Talbot was quoted as saying "I love it here, it’s brilliant, really fun" but she had to be ushered off-stage by the police."
There is no contradiction, so the use of 'but' is faulty.
  • What would you reccomend? "Talbot was quoted as saying "I love it here, it’s brilliant, really fun" and she had to be ushered off-stage by the police." sounds comical. J Milburn (talk) 15:52, 25 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Changed my mind, - Mgm|(talk) 00:16, 26 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Reviewers in the Harlow Star agreed, saying "There's no doubt she's a sweet little girl with a nice voice, but surely there's something inherently wrong with thrusting a child into the limelight at such a young age?""
What are they agreeing with here? If it’s the inherent wrongness of awarding the kid a star rating, the comment doesn’t explain it.
  • "Rashvin Bedi, writing for Malaysian newspaper The Star, praised the album, saying that "Connie sings with ease and manages the high notes admirably", but asks whether "people would buy an album of the same songs sung by a 20-year-old girl"."
There is a tense shift which doesn't really connect the two quotes even if it was corrected.
  • Tense shift fixed, but I disagree with your second point. "She praised album with "X", but criticised by asking "Y"." Is it any different from what I have done with the others? A positive comment about the singing, before a question about the fact she's a child? J Milburn (talk) 15:52, 25 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Personnel and tracklisting sections have no sources attached. - Mgm|(talk) 11:52, 25 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Wouldn't know where to put footnotes, but I have added five general references that cover them. J Milburn (talk) 15:52, 25 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Additional question: You say the YouTube links aren't copyvios, but the user channel from the uploader says this is the official channel. Please clarify.- Mgm|(talk) 00:21, 26 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Marc Marot is Talbot's publicist, it is his channel the videos were uploaded on. Talbot's official site links to Marot's channel as Talbot's "official" channel- I guess she has two. J Milburn (talk) 17:02, 26 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Perhaps you should point that out somehow. It's not immediately evident. - Mgm|(talk) 20:14, 26 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Formatting The name of the album should be in italics throughout according to the Wikipedia:WikiProject Music MUSTARD standards. - Mgm|(talk) 20:14, 26 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • It is? If you're referring to the references, we should use the source website's formatting where possible, as per the MoS. J Milburn (talk) 20:22, 26 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • I'm talking about the name within the text. References have their own style. - Mgm|(talk) 09:31, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        • It is always in italics? I've checked through three times, and I can't see any mentions where it isn't italicised. J Milburn (talk) 17:00, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support My concerns have been addressed. - Mgm|(talk) 09:47, 28 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Excellent, thanks for your comments. J Milburn (talk) 12:13, 28 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments -

  • Please spell out lesser known abbreviations in the references, shuch as HMV.
    • HMV is never known as 'His Master's Voice', even on official documents (I work for Waterstone's, which is part of the HMV Group- even the parent company is known as HMV Group). I really don't see the benefit of expanding that. J Milburn (talk) 15:52, 25 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Might make it clear in the references that the Rhythm Riders site is Talbot's official site
  • I note the concern voiced above about unreferenced sections, which should be sourced.
Otherwise, sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 14:44, 25 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
leaving that last one out for other reviewers to decide for themselves. Ealdgyth - Talk 14:30, 28 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Comments
  • Although initially public appearances were kept to a minimum, Talbot did make some appearances to promote the album, and performed in public several times after the British release. - Remove "some".
  • A rerelease of Over the Rainbow was released on 18 June 2008 with an updated tracklist, replacing some of the Christmas themed tracks with more general covers. - "A rerelease was released" sounds a tad repetitive.
  • A recording schedule was worked out so that Talbot could continue with her normal school activities while recording the album in her aunt Vicky's spare bedroom, which her mother described as "a better solution [than Sony BMG] which has not robbed her of her childhood". - Remove "that".
  • with a music video being shot in Jamaica for the release. - "With" followed by an "-ing" doesn't read well.
  • The album was released in the U.S. on 14 October, with Talbot and her family travelling to America to publicise it. - Ditto.
  • The Orchestra needs en dashes to separate the player from the instrument, rather than a hyphen.
    • Done (I think- that's not something I can get my head around). I copied the en dash from, and uses spaces as directed by, WP:DASH. Is it correct now? J Milburn (talk) 19:09, 2 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

–Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 02:54, 2 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • I stalled at this sentence:
  • Although Arnison claimed he did not "want to put [Talbot] through the promotional grind which most artists go through because she is too young", Talbot made several public appearances after the album release, include headlining the Great Bridge Christmas and Winter Festival, which local police threatened to cancel unless crowds clamouring to reach the tent in which Talbot was performing could be brought under control.

Support - I raised objections to the initial, parent article but I don't see any problems with this one. I tweaked a sentence to update the article, but I did not see any other problems with the prose. There is nothing in the article that is likely to be challenged and I consider the citations adequate. I think this is a well-researched, well-written contribution. Graham Colm Talk 17:29, 14 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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