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The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted by User:SandyGeorgia 23:07, 13 December 2008 [1].

Luc Bourdon[edit]

Nominator(s): Kaiser matias (talk)

Article about ice hockey player who died back in May at the age of 21. Already passed GA and had peer review a few weeks ago. All comments welcome, and will be addressed as soon as possible. Kaiser matias (talk) 18:49, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments - I enjoyed reading this article while not enjoying it, if that makes sense. It's been a while since I've reviewed something that I thought was really good, but it's sobering at the end. This is what I found during a full review. Most of these are just minor nit-picks; in this case, I find that to be a sign of high quality.

  • Comma after Manitoba Moose in first sentence?
  • Early life: Remove comma after Miramichi Rivermen?
  • "who now manages the local arena". Watch for date-specific items that may not stay updated, like this one.
  • Playing career: "Link Tampa Bay Lightning in the last paragraph of the section.
  • International play: Delink 2007 World Junior Championships, as the event is linked a few paragraphs beforehand.
  • Death: "During the 2008 NHL Draft, the Canucks management wore guitar pins to remember Bourdon, since he was an avid guitarist." Apostrophe after Canucks?
  • Typo in last paragraph: "New Brunswik".

In addition to these, I saw some references that need further formatting. There are a couple refs without a publisher, and one doesn't have an access date. Ealdgyth will be around soon to provide a full list of issues. Overall, though, I'm looking forward to supporting this soon. Giants2008 (17-14) 19:39, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Everything should be all fixed up now. Also went through the references and cleaned them up, so that matter should be good. Kaiser matias (talk) 20:26, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Provisional support - This is pending the one questionable source below. While the author, Matt MacInnis, is apparently a sports columnist for a Canadian newspaper, I'd feel better if it could be proved that he is a noted hockey writer in particular. Rest of it looks good, though. Giants2008 (17-14) 00:30, 6 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Comments
  • In the Early life section, specify when he was born.
  • Shortly after the trade, Bourdon injured his ankle, suffering a fractured fibula, high and low sprains, and a second degree ligament tear. - Link ligament.
  • Bourdon made his international debut representing Team Canada in the 2005 World Under-18 Championships, held in the Czech Republic, earning one assist in a silver-medal effort. - Needs a source.
  • At the 2007 World Junior Championships in Leksand and Mora, Sweden, Bourdon scored the game-tying goal in the third period of a 2–1 shootout win over the United States in the semi-final.[19] In total, Bourdon picked up two goals and two assists in six games, as Canada won another gold medal. - Why are some numbers spelled out, but others not? "Two" and "2" for example.
  • The 2–1 is a score, which I've always seen given like this in sports-related FACs. I guess "a two to one shootout win" could be done, but I think it's fine the way it is now. Giants2008 (17-14) 22:21, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • During the 2008 NHL Draft, the Canucks' management wore guitar pins to remember Bourdon, since he was an avid guitarist. - "Since" → "because".

–Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 21:32, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

All taken care of. Kaiser matias (talk) 01:41, 5 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments -

  • Newspapers titles in the references should be in italics. If you're using {{cite news}}, use the work field for the title of the paper, and the publisher field for the name of the actual company that publishes the paper. (The Simons ref is not italicised)
  • What makes the following reliable sources?
  • Please spell out lesser known abbreviations in the footnotes, such as TSN.
Otherwise, sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 15:04, 4 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hockey's Future is a website that provides information about younger hockey players expected to play in the NHL. They include a list of main contributers, and some of them have been involved in leading hockey publications. That said, all the references should be fixed up now. Kaiser matias (talk) 01:41, 5 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
To determine the reliablity of the site, we need to know what sort of fact checking they do. You can establish this by showing news articles that say the site is reliable/noteworthy/etc. or you can show a page on the site that gives their rules for submissions/etc. or you can show they are backed by a media company/university/institute, or you can show that the website gives its sources and methods, or there are some other ways that would work too. It's their reputation for reliabilty that needs to be demonstrated. Please see Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2008-06-26/Dispatches for further detailed information. Ealdgyth - Talk 15:01, 5 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I've removed the questionable source and replaced it with more notable references. Kaiser matias (talk) 01:30, 6 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image review: Images appear to be fine. --Moni3 (talk) 15:20, 4 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comments
    • As Ealdgyth mentions, italicize newspaper titles. Also, you alternate between Vancouver Province and The Province; which one is it?
    • Combine the two uses of "Penguins' Letang Loses Best Friend In Bourdon" into one source. BuddingJournalist 19:27, 4 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Source for the career statistics? BuddingJournalist 19:27, 4 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
All taken care of. Kaiser matias (talk) 01:41, 5 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comments = All small from me, but I'll put them out anyway:
    • Juvenile arthritis redirects to childhood arthritis.
    • "Noted as a strong defenceman who could contribute with offence" - probably a style choice, but should it be on offence?
    • A link to francophone would be useful for those unfamiliar with the term, or just say French-speaking.
    • "participated in the CHL Top Prospects Game, and exhibition for draft-eligible players" - an exhibition

**Cite needed at end of paragraph ending with 2007 World Juniors

    • Same in the next paragraph. Grsz11 02:16, 6 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • Just of note, the sentences mentioned are of a non-controversial nature, and don't need references. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 02:24, 6 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I got everything listed there, except the last two, for as Juliancolton said, they aren't controversial, and even so, they are referenced later on in the section. Kaiser matias (talk) 02:32, 6 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Striken accordingly. Thanks and good work. Grsz11 03:09, 6 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I removed a redundant mention of the date of Bourdon's death in the lead, but otherwise my concerns were already addressed in the peer review. One minor point of clarification needed, however. The article says that Bourdon played with Miramichi from age 15-17, but also that he left home to play in the QMJHL at age 16. Obviously he wasn't on both teams. I presume it should state he played for Miramichi at 15-16? Resolute 16:55, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I fixed the age. Kaiser matias (talk) 19:45, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: I fixed a couple wikilinks, but other than that, no outstanding issues with this article. The only thing I really can say would be to possibly add a bit more substance to the international section, but I do realize he was limited to only the three tournaments. I'll look through some archives to see if anything can really be added, but that's not something that hinders this article from passing FAC. Great job! – Nurmsook! talk... 05:43, 11 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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