Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/I'm God/archive1

I'm God[edit]

Featured article candidates/I'm God/archive1

Nominator(s): Skyshiftertalk 19:27, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In 2007, Clams Casino was a random guy, producing random instrumentals for people to rap over it. He didn't get much attention until he got in touch with Lil B in 2009 and produced his album 6 Kiss. One track that immediately got attention was "I'm God", with its ethereal production sampling Imogen Heap. Unexpectedly, Clams Casino and Lil B would be cited as the pioneers of the cloud rap subgenre, with "I'm God" being cited as "cloud rap's seminal track" and "the birth of cloud rap" in the following years. However, it took over a decade for it to be released officially, due to its sample usage. Over these years where Clams Casino tried to get the sample cleared, the song received a large cult following on the Internet. After eleven years, "I'm God" was officially released in 2020 with Imogen Heap properly credited. The article is pretty short, but I believe it meets all FA criteria. Thank you! Skyshiftertalk 19:27, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comments[edit]

""I'm God" is an instrumental track by American producer Clams Casino and British singer Imogen Heap" - if it's got vocals then it isn't an instrumental
- Will respond below
"incorporates clips from Perdues dans New York"=> "incorporates clips from the French film Perdues dans New York"
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"Volpe said he didn't find "I'm God" unusual" => "Volpe said that he did not find "I'm God" unusual"
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"He sent the instrumental to different artists" - you just said it sampled Heap's vocals, therefore it wasn't an instrumental
- Will respond below
""I'm God" is an instrumental cloud rap song" - I know I keep mentioning this, but it can't be "an instrumental song". By definition a song has vocals and an instrumental doesn't
- Will respond below
"when it still wasn't available" => "when it still was not available"
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"with Internet users stating the song's impact while they had depression" - this doesn't really work grammatically. Maybe replace "stating" with "describing"
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That's what I got -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:15, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @ChrisTheDude: Thank you for the comments! Yes, it samples vocals, but most are indistinguishable; here, the vocals are used as an instrument. Instrumental tracks can use vocals, as said in Instrumental#Borderline cases. Multiple sources refer to the track as an instrumental, and it has been released on Clams Casino's albums Instrumentals 2 and Instrumental Relics as the instrumental version of Lil B's "I'm God". Skyshiftertalk 11:50, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - I see what you are saying, but is there at least a way to avoid using the description "an instrumental song", as that really doesn't make sense......? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:19, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    - According to Instrumental, an instrumental can be called an "instrumental song"; Song says "Through semantic widening, a broader sense of the word 'song' may refer to instrumentals". I think it is valid to call it an "instrumental cloud rap song". Skyshiftertalk 13:24, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@ChrisTheDude: would you have any more comments regarding the article? Skyshiftertalk 22:54, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 06:58, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Source review[edit]

Can you explain why Red Bull and Vice are high-quality reliable sources for this article?
- Red Bull and Vice notably did extensive reporting about the song's official release and are among the best sources for this article (the other one being Complex). Red Bull is marked green on the cite highlighter (though not sure from where). The authors have notable credentials. Katie Cunningham has written for sources such as The Guardian Australia, the Sydney Morning Herald, Rolling Stone, Junkee, and others. Dhruva Balram has written for The Guardian, Crack Magazine [1], NME [2], and others.
Spin reference should have via=Google Books
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The composition section and first paragraph of the reception and legacy section use quotations for almost every sentence; cut this down to meet MOS:QUOTE
- Reduced some
Clams Casino Productions is listed in the infobox but not in the article text
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4:37 is listed in the infobox but not in the article text
- Done
I didn't do spotchecks

Examples of sources that seem useful but aren't cited:

Because of the overquotation and that there could easily be over a 20% increase in the article's sources, I am going to oppose for now per WP:FACR 1c as I don't think the article is currently "a thorough and representative survey of the relevant literature". Best, Heartfox (talk) 02:34, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

- Thank you for your comments! They are in progress. I did a quick skim through the sources and many of them wouldn't add substantial content to the article; many of them seem to mention "I'm God" in passing. However, I'll look at them more closely later and see which of them will add substantial content to the article. Skyshiftertalk 09:44, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - I have analyzed the sources presented and all of them refer to Lil B's version. This is not a problem per se; I've included this source, for example, which lists "I'm God" as a Lil B song, but because it is a list of the "Best Rap Beats", it focus on the production of the song, so it is suitable for inclusion. The sources you provided also say something about the production, though not anything substantial, honestly. The MusicRadar source says the production is "sultry, downtempo", and the Guardian said that it is "dreamy, diaphanous", only. Either way, I'll see how I can add them to the article, while at the same time fixing the quote issues. I'll also add a sentence or two to Reception talking about the influence of Lil B's version. Skyshiftertalk 19:39, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    - @Heartfox: Some of the sources have been added and I tried to paraphrase what I could; there were some sentences that I think would divert too much of their original meaning if paraphrased. Let me know if you have any more suggestions! Skyshiftertalk 20:11, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Heartfox: would you have any more comments regarding the article? Skyshiftertalk 22:54, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for incorporating some of the sources. There are still a few issues with overquotation. In the second paragraph of the composition section, for example, there are more quotes than sentences. Heartfox (talk) 03:35, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Heartfox: I've reduced a few more quotes. Skyshiftertalk 17:07, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support from Draken Bowser[edit]

Huh, both are mostly unknown to me. Ok, ok, I've heard Hide and Seek and Derulo's Whatcha Say, but who hasn't? Comments below:

Lead: "real name Michael Volpe" - is this necessary considering it's immediately restated in the body? "being unofficially uploaded by fans" - This is a bit unclear compared to the the body, since the lead is quite short I think there's room for a slight expansion.
- Stating that Clams Casino's name is Michael Volpe is needed in some way, because I refer to him as Volpe throughout the lead; changed to "reuploaded", unsure how to clarify it better.
Background and release: "He considers its vocal sample the main aspect he likes from the song." - This is close enough to the source that I'd prefer just quoting him. Preference: "but ~~had~~ encountered issues as many people were involved, since 'Just for Now' ~~was~~had been released through a major label."
- Rephrased; changed.

That's it! I'm trying to make sense of one of my c/e notes, if I manage to find out what I intended I'll get back to you. Regards. Draken Bowser (talk) 16:58, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Draken Bowser: done! Skyshiftertalk 18:51, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Draken Bowser: would you have any more comments regarding the article? Skyshiftertalk 22:54, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The only thing I'm wondering is whether we might put something even bolder as the first sentence under "Reception and legacy". Something like: "'I'm God' is considered highly influential in the cloud rap genre." But, that's just food for thought. Draken Bowser (talk) 14:18, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Coordinator note[edit]

This has been open for three weeks and has yet to pick up a support. Unless it attracts considerable movement towards a consensus to promote over the next three or four days I am afraid that it is liable to be archived. Gog the Mild (talk) 21:15, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Media review[edit]

Not so fast! :)

Three works of media are utilized in this article; two of them are non-free, while the third is licensed for Creative Commons. Both works of non-free media have sufficient fair-use rationales, being brief, small, and/or low-resolution enough not to impact the commercial viability of those works while still fulfilling worthwhile purposes in the article.
All three works of media contribute encyclopedic value to the article.
The two images used in the article both have sufficient alt text.
Sourcing checks out for all three works of media.

Media review passes; support on media alone. Dylan620 (he/him • talk • edits) 00:55, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]