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A kitten for you!

Good work!

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Thank you :) SunflowerYuri (talk) 10:51, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

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Jimmie Guthrie

I can see you have limited experience, but the image you uploaded to Wikimedia Commons is of dubious source - please see WP:NOTBLOG. I've looked at the website and it is of non-definite ownership, but appears to be a WP:SPS, which is not a reliable source. I'd guess the image has been copied (possibly from here) as it's showing similar scanning-noise. Please note the owner is Paul D'orleans, who occasionally contributes to WP as User:Vintagent. As I have much experience, I know he uses images at his site under the equivalent of WP:FUR.

You can see the other places where this image has been re-used here.

I have left a note at the Commons image talk page, as they are usually snowed under and it's pointless two of us doing the same work. Please note that Wikimedia Commons is entirely separate to En-Wikipedia with their own volunteers and admins, and that only unequivocally entirely-free media can be hosted there. Is also better not to have people in the background.

The image you replaced was correctly uploaded to En-Wikipedia, which has now been flagged by a bot (robot) and will be expunged from the system.--82.13.47.210 (talk) 18:17, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

Okay, sorry for that SunflowerYuri (talk) 19:43, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

You have used The wrong information on File:Isle of Man TT Travelling Marshall 1953.webp. It is later than 1953, which only appears in the article relating to a Vincent image. I suggest you stop right-click copying from websources.--82.13.47.210 (talk) 01:55, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Deletion of content and sources

I saw in Isle of Man TT: Revision history you are responsible for a lot of red deletions, such as: ...this paragraph was outdated so I fixed it, I had to remove a bunch of sources that were way too outdated to be relevant.

The races go back over 100 years. Why way too outdated to be relevant. Who are you to unilaterally (single-handedly) decide what is no longer relevant? Major deletions need to discussed first at Talk (see Wikipedia:Consensus). You are clearly way too inexperienced to be taking on things like this by yourself.

Why? Why are you deleting sources that are part of the article history? This is a record of donated contributions that have to be available. Is it because you do not like it? Your actions are disrespectful to other (past) editors.

You have also transferred-out certain content. I think you do not understand Wikipedia.

Please answer me with your reasons. Please stop your deletions until I can work out what you are attempting to do. Thank you. 82.13.47.210 (talk) 01:27, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

The reason I removed those sources is because they were either there to verify a death count that is no longer accurate, or verify a death count from 2016, something that is no longer particularly relevant to the main TT page now that 2016 is 8 years away, and 2022 had an even higher death count. Other than that, there are plenty of other sources in the article that go through what they say in a nutshell: the TT is dangerous. I did not go through the talk page because a lot of the major edits I did on this particular page were just weeding out or correcting outdated and inaccurate information, there wasn't much to say other than "hey, I'm working on this page now", and frankly most of the stuff there go unanswered anyway. I know full well edits can be reverted in a matter of seconds if deemed unnecessary, like you did (and this is one of the ways to find consensus). At some point something has to be done, pages can't stay in 2016 forever just because all the people who worked on it back in the early days just moved on with their lives. This is something Wikipedia:Consensus goes through. WP:BOLD

I know I've made mistakes and I've been bolder than I needed to be occasionally, it's something I realise now after having slightly more experience. And I know some of your criticism is warranted. But frankly I don't understand how my edits are somehow damaging enough for repeated and condescending talk page messages but not enough for constant reversions, as it is the first time you've done one, and I know you've been active on a few of the articles I've edited (I've reverted the 1953 Isle of Man TT page myself because yeah, this was a pretty bad mistake, I admit), and I don't remember any other user outright reverting more than one of my edits either. I also don't understand why it all comes from an IP who implies a position of authority though high experience status. I know IP are humans and assume good faith, but sometimes I wonder if you're a sockpuppet messing with me.

Next time, please don't go through my talk page, revert and move on. I really don't want to justify myself here every time I make an edit, and I don't need to. We're not gonna find consensus after this. SunflowerYuri (talk) 11:07, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

OK, thx. I will try to be brief . I only have one device presenl (presently) which has a screwed up keyboard and needs to be corrected using a virtual, pop up keboard, taking twice as along.

• The standard Wiki-protocol is to leave a templated warning at the user talk, such as Uw-delete1. These standard warnings escalate from level 1 to 4, and can appear harsh to new/occasional users, so, after a full 11 years as a named editor, I try to engage without a warning and offer guidance/help if I can via a bespoke, hand-composed message which often takes much time, see WP:BITE and WP:DNTR. Standard warnings are recommended, as they realistically cannot be critiqued, as you have done above with sockpuppet and condescending. Ignoring bold, 7K+ byte deletions from a 2023 registered user with 1,330 edits needs a talk page message as a common-sense courtesy, not necessarily to seek consensus.
• I am absolutely not a sockpuppet (offensive) - try to remember wp:agf - this applies to your perception of others and equally to me. I have nerve damage in two places in my right arm and with a bum keboard I would not waste time if it was not with the best of intentions to build the encyclopedia project. With media, Wikipe/media can only use and host entirely free files, unless used under WP:FUR, in which case cannot be hosted at Wikimedia Commons. Try not to take it personally. Right-click copying is not allowed, as it is mostly theft under international copyright protocols.
• I was attacked in November 2022, being called firstly a troll (exactly as you have knee-jerked suggested sockpuppet, unwisely) when engaged; for clarity, this was replaced with 'piss taker' (note I am not using quotes "..." without the particular context) by someone with sufficient experience who should know better. So, abandonment of good faith twice. In such circumstances, I could retaliate, and STILL feel the need to do so, but is impolite, unwise, and unbecoming to allow someone who should know better to affect me. He (I will assume a male) then went on to argue that I had shown too-little good faith when I suggested Packjerkins (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) was in reality Jack Perkins writing about himself, complaining it could be a fan of racing driver Perkins, who had hommaged his name as a Username. The attacker then prevented me from leaving a footnote on a wikitable (OWNership). These are all Australian, and known as partisan editing. I have no connection with Australia.
• After this concerted attack, I had to distance myself and decided to abandon my named account, from memory 12.5K edit count and 2.5K watchlist. I declared to a cu that I would be using this IP address (until the ISP changes it). Logging-in is optional, not compulsory. I am now gnoming around mostly randomly with no particular agenda and avoiding car racing, particularly F1.
• I am deliberately not following you, but as I help out on the racing side I can see you are being too ambitious and need guidance.
• Concerning the Isle of Man, it is out of date and has been subjected to partisan editing (particularly trying to remove the 'world's most dangerous' aspect, asserting Dakar was the most dangerous), WP:OWNership and conflict of interest editing by involved individuals over many years. The Wiki policy is that contributions from involved individuals are strongly discouraged. I cannot be more specific due to WP:OUTING, considered the most heinous of all 'Wikicrimes', and your inexperience/attitude demonstrated (from above) as: frankly I don't understand how my edits are somehow damaging enough for repeated and condescending talk page messages but not enough for constant reversions and I also don't understand why it all comes from an IP who implies a position of authority though high experience status. and Next time, please don't go through my talk page, revert and move on. I really don't want to justify myself here every time I make an edit, and I don't need to. We're not gonna find consensus after this..

• Due to this last formal request, this will be the last post here UNLESS I have to send a templated warning, which is exempt from your expressed preference of no contact here. I will not be back here intentionally, and you can delete this, but, as it is in place of a warning, when you delete you are deemed to have read it.
• Lastly, please, please never take it upon yourself to delete citations, even if you think they are out of date and/or of minor importance. Wikipedia has a requirement to keep such: I know full well edits can be reverted in a matter of seconds if deemed unnecessary - please don't make more work for overworked volunteers. Again, due to your attitude (combative), I will not elucidate further. You may see refs deleted, usually with good reason.

• Wikipedia has evolved to be highly-structured and will take time to learn; I can get things wrong, and I have to accept criticism, as does everyone.

• As you clearly are circumspect about my intentions, if you feel anything I have advised is wrong, you can approach the Teahouse where you've been before.--82.13.47.210 (talk) 18:41, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Okay, noted. Thank you for being honest and constructive with me and disclosing your situation. I want to apologise for the personal accusations against you, I was confused about the situation, I overreacted and I should have kept things more civil. I will keep WP:AGF in mind. I was not aware of the situation around the Isle of Man TT project. I am sorry for being so brash during the edits you mentioned, some of the policies you mentioned were something I was unaware of, or misunderstood. I will reflect on this and try to learn more, because, yes, I am still inexperienced. You can reply to this thread if you wish. SunflowerYuri (talk) 19:47, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

ThanQ - enjoy your editing - I usually do it for relaxation. Some people I know will save the page every couple of minutes, and this racks up the edit count artificially - mostly I do not. A good tip is when I compose something lengthy or important, to copy/paste into a webmail draft, in case of server difficulties, edit conflict or personal computer crash. BTW, I saw the Jimmie Guthrie image had been changed as I received an email from a bot, a robot/automated sequence notifying that the fair-use rationale image would be deleted as it is no longer on display, an essential pre-requisite for hosting on Wikipedia.--82.13.47.210 (talk) 20:49, 12 January 2024 (UTC)