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Ballybough Cemetery

Hi, @Smirkybec: Just watched two of your videos (one which involved Ballybough Cemetery and the other on editing which improved Beatrice Gubbins. Thanks (I thought they were great).. With respect to the Ballybough Cemetery, on checking the article on the Jewish Calendar, the inscription date (5618) appears to correspond (roughhly) to the gregorian date 1858, the year the mortuary chapel was built. So I am wondering whether the inscription date dates the mortuary and whether the current gate forms part of the old mortuary. It would be great to have some more precision, as the date is clearly not that for the birth of the cemetery, said in the article to be 1718. MargaretRDonald (talk) 00:14, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Hey, @MargaretRDonald:! Thanks so much for you kind words, brilliant to hear that you are enjoying the videos. Yes, there is a difference in the dates, as the gate lodge was built a long time after the cemetery was established. This piece from the Dublin Historical Record outlines the reasoning for 1718 as an establishment date, and that the gate lodge and walls were built ~1857 because of fears of intruders, grave robbers, and vandals, with a caretaker (usually not Jewish) living on site to secure the site. I hope that makes sense? Smirkybec (talk) 09:53, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation. Perhaps a wee note on the photo? (So easy to take the date as the establishment date of the cemetery...) Thanks for the pdf, all interesting stuff. MargaretRDonald (talk) 10:12, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Of course, it does say the date of on the gate lodge at the moment, if you have a better wording I'd welcome your input as I'm drawing a bit of a blank! Smirkybec (talk) 10:17, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Máire Rua O'Brien

If you get a moment could you have a look at the section Death and subsequent legends (Toonagh Wood by her hair)Aineireland (talk) 11:53, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Done! An interested new editor added uncited new material about the legends a number of times, and in the reversions that sentence got a bit scrambled. Thanks Smirkybec (talk) 11:56, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Melosina Lenox Conyngham

If you get a moment could you look at the early life section- the sentence "Her brother, Vere.."Aineireland (talk) 19:06, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Done. Smirkybec (talk) 19:35, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

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If there are any secondary sources on her per se, the people most likely to know are her children, Manus and Brenda. Manus is well known and SIPTU or perhaps Padraig Yeates could give you a contact.I came on 2 snippets in material on Michael O'Riordan. 1) irelandscw.com/obit-MoRDMail.htm 2) While there, click on site index on left, then obituaries and under Michael O'Riordan there are many items. One is Untouched by the Tiger, Irish Times 15 April 1999.Aineireland (talk) 16:28, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank you very much for those tips - that is great. I think some of these entries will have to wait until I get my hands on some library books like any histories of SIPTU or unions in Ireland. Smirkybec (talk) 16:48, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Tutorial series

I want to congratulate you on your video tutorial series. I am going to recommend them to a group I lead in Sydney, Australia - Women Write Wiki. MargaretRDonald is also a very experienced member of this group. In fact, If I hadn't sent out an agenda for a meeting starting in a few hours, I would have shown them your most recent tutorial on tone. It is excellent and I look forward to watching the series as it rolls out. Oronsay (talk) 21:46, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

@Oronsay: thank you very much, you are very kind! If you have any suggestions on what topics you'd like to see covered, please let me know :) Smirkybec (talk) 23:28, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

You and the tutorials got a mention in Karlin Lillington's column in the Irish Times on Thursday 16.Aineireland (talk) 19:41, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

@Aineireland: Thanks so much for letting me know, hopefully we'll get some new viewers and editors!Smirkybec (talk) 15:12, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Louisa Coppin

Perhaps the word "supposed" as in the Dictionary of National Biography is more acceptable. I will leave that decision to you.Aineireland (talk) 21:37, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

Fine with me! Smirkybec (talk) 21:41, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

Serendipity!! Today with SOR today mentions children's book on the Weesy and Franklin story by accclaimed author, Nicola Pierce. Have added it to page.Aineireland (talk) 12:49, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

That's gas! Thanks so much for adding it. Given how much I loved Irish ghost stories as a teen, I was surprised I had never heard of this story before. What I really love is that in the ODNB Louise's father is a subsection of her biography - refreshing to see it that way around! Smirkybec (talk) 12:53, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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	For creating so many fine articles at User:Smirkybec/100wikidays, thank you! Bearian (talk) 22:13, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

@Bearian: Thank you very much! You're very kind :) Smirkybec (talk) 10:16, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

User:KerriHuntMuseum

Hi Smirky! Just to let you know about the new user above. Their Commons cat has issues - I see you edited a bit there. Hope you're surviving the lockdown ok, Best, Johnbod (talk) 12:37, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

@Johnbod: Do you mean the category "Europeana Archaeology: The Hunt Museum", as the plan is to rename that category (and many of the images therein), or is there another issue? Thanks Smirkybec (talk) 12:42, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

Yes, the ones I looked at didn't have source info, a license, & (assuming they are museum images) permission. Probably an OTRS thingie is needed. Otherwise they might get deleted eventually. Also the meta info & categories are pretty poor (on a sample), & most could do with a crop. I liked the dresses though - is Sheila C a biggish name? Johnbod (talk) 12:46, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

@Johnbod: The Hunt Museum is taking part in this Europeana Project, and as part of that one of their staff uploaded images. Unfortunately, unlike the Sybil Connolly images currently the website does not have a licence statement for these images on the collections page. They have stated in their terms and conditions:

"Intellectual Property Rights: All Hunt Museum objects from the permanent collection (except for some of our paintings, which are still in copyright) are in the public domain. Our Sybil Connolly collection has been dedicated to the public domain with a CC0 label. The Irish Contemporary Ceramics Collection is in Copyright. We would like you to mention the Hunt Museum in any reuse, in accordance with the published guidelines on use of the public domain. All the images provided Wiki Commons under Europeana Archaeology are available in the Public Domain."

Would linking this in the source field be suitable until such time as they have updated their CMS (collections management system) to display a CC-0 licence on all individual image files. Some of the staff and volunteers have been improving the individual files with information, so it would be a shame to lose that all. I'd appreciate any help, as I had been worried about this. Smirkybec (talk) 13:00, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

I'd imagine that would do it, or keep the wolf from the door for a while anyway. Thanks. There should be a statement as to who took/has the rights to the actual photos - ie that they are the museum's to release. Johnbod (talk) 13:06, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

So if I add the terms and conditions page in the source field (?), where would a such statement on the photos go? Smirkybec (talk) 13:11, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

The t&c covers "permission" really, though it implies the museum is the source too. Typically Commons people worry more about the permission than the source, partly because giving permission properly means you are the source (usually). Actually I see what the pics now have varies - some link to the terms & cons page, others, like File:HCM Letter Detail.jpg don't & have a tag: "This file is lacking source information. Please edit this file's description and provide a source." Assuming it is the case, I'd add there something like "Museum upload of own PD images (part of Europeana Project)". A links to the T&Cs in the "permission" field is better than an unverified statement they are PD, as at present. I'm not really an expert on this though. You might ask someone active on Commons deletion discussions. Hope that helps, Johnbod (talk) 13:51, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks so much for the help, yes, as staff and volunteers are going through the images they are adding that permission statement. I'm going to be renaming a lot of the files soon to more descriptive names, so I can double check that they are all consistent then. The Sybil images had a similar issue when I uploaded them using Pattypan (my first time, and they were without a source) and were immediately flagged, so I had expected the same thing here when I saw these lacked that too. Perhaps it is the nature of the images (being older objects, so creator copyright is not an issue) which has meant they are not piquing the same interest. The intention to uploading them without full details was to give a task to staff and volunteers so that they could leanr editing with a hands-on project, but perhaps in reality this should have been done differently. Hopefully we can get them sorted without issue. Thanks again! Smirkybec (talk) 13:58, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

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