User talk:RogerRoger5
Welcome![edit]
Hello RogerRoger5, welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Our intro page contains a lot of helpful material for new users - please check it out! If you need help, visit Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on this page and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions.
BulldozerD11 (talk) 17:10, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
Question on links[edit]
The Rules on links are generally under covered WP:EL. The Silversmithing article like others has a lot of people trying to add external links (as wikipedia appears in a lot of web search engine results) so generally they are removed as wikipedia is not about advertising and promoting commercial organisations, (the content did look very good). I have also removed another link since from another site. The link thats directly above had a short video clip that shows the work in forming a ring and has thus been considered to add something to the article that cannot be added directly to the article (no embedded videos).
The photo is OK as long as copyright has been released on the upload page by adding a suitable release statement. But it does mean anybody can reuse the photo in general terms on other web sites (depending on the License added they should credit the source). If you have alook at the Intro page listed above it has handy links to allsorts of Wiki policies and other useful info. It is all subjective and open to interpretation. A lot of websites are linked to as references for material described in the text if the material on the site backs up the material in the article. So the 'Western' reference is considered OK, but Ive removed the link to the artist own web site referred to in the 'cited' articles that was also on the page as the website opened as a general advert and was not backing up the text in my opinion. Text of articles on wikipedia should generaly be backed up by some form of Reference as per WP:Verifiability or WP:Cite and similar policies. Hope this clarifies it abit. Have a look at a few article to get a better Idea.
Feel free to expand the Silversmith article or any other with useful Encyclopaedic information. All articles can be expanded but should aim to remain balanced (e.g not get too technical or only reflect One Point of View). Hope this explains my actions and makes some sense. - BulldozerD11 (talk) 18:41, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
Notability of Emma-Kate Francis[edit]
A tag has been placed on Emma-Kate Francis requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the article, which appears to be about a real person, organization (band, club, company, etc.), or web content, does not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not indicate the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable. If this is the first page that you have created, then you should read the guide to writing your first article.
If you think that you can assert the notability of the subject, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the article (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the article's talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would confirm the subject's notability under Wikipedia guidelines.
For guidelines on specific types of articles, you may want to check out our criteria for biographies, for web sites, for bands, or for companies. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 20:22, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
- The deleted article read like an advertisement for E-K and her work, rather than an encyclopedia article. I would suggest creating a new article from scratch in a sandbox, concentrating less on human-interest quotes and more on properly-footnoted citations documenting substantial coverage in reputable publications (magazines, newspapers, etc.), rather than "Internet buzz" claims (impossible to adequately measure, far less document) and meaningless paragraphs in gossip rags. If she's genuinely notable, this shouldn't be difficult. --Orange Mike | Talk 13:00, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
Guide to referencing[edit]
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I thought you might find it useful to have some information about references (refs) on wikipedia. These are important to validate your writing and inform the reader. Any editor can remove unreferenced material; and unsubstantiated articles may end up getting deleted, so when you add something to an article, it's highly advisable to also include a reference to say where it came from. Referencing may look daunting, but it's easy enough to do. Here's a guide to getting started. If you need any assistance, let me know. -- Ty 09:22, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
A reference must be accurate, i.e. it must prove the statement in the text. To validate "Mike Brown climbed Everest", it's no good linking to a page about Everest, if Mike Brown isn't mentioned, nor to one on Mike Brown, if it doesn't say that he climbed Everest. You have to link to a source that proves his achievement is true. You must use reliable sources, such as published books, mainstream press, and authorised web sites. Blogs, Myspace, Youtube, fan sites and extreme minority texts are not usually acceptable, nor is original research (e.g. your own unpublished, or self-published, essay or research), or another wikipedia article.
The first thing you have to do is to create a "Notes and references" section (unless it already exists). This goes towards the bottom of the page, below the "See also" section and above the "External links" section. Enter this code:
The next step is to put a reference in the text. Here is the code to do that. It goes at the end of the relevant term, phrase, sentence, or paragraph to which the note refers, and after punctuation such as a full stop, without a space (to prevent separation through line wrap):
Whatever text you put in between these two tags will become visible in the "Notes and references" section as your reference.
Open the edit box for this page, copy the following text (inserting your own text where indicated), paste it at the bottom of the page and save the page:
(End of text to copy and paste.) It should appear like this:
You need to include the information to enable the reader to find your source. For an online newspaper source, it might look like this:
When uploaded, it appears as:
Note the single square brackets around the URL and the article title. The format is:
Make sure there is a space between the URL and the Title. This code results in the URL being hidden and the title showing as a link. Use double apostrophes for the article title (it is quoted text), and two single quote marks either side of the name of the paper (to generate italics). Double square brackets round the name of the paper create an internal link (a wikilink) to the relevant wikipedia article. Apostrophes must go outside the brackets. The date after The Guardian is the date of the newspaper, and the date after "Retrieved on" is the date you accessed the site – useful for searching the web archive in case the link goes dead.
You can use sources which are not online, but which you have found in a library or elsewhere—in which case leave out the information which is not relevant. The newspaper example above would be formatted like this:
When uploaded, it appears as:
Here is an example for a book:
When uploaded, it appears as:
Make sure you put two single quote marks round the title (to generate italics), rather than one double quote mark.
These formats are all acceptable for dates:
You may prefer to use a citation template to compile details of the source. The template goes between the ref tags and you fill out the fields you wish to. Basic templates can be found here: Wikipedia:Template messages/Sources of articles/Citation quick reference
The first time a reference appears in the article, you can give it a simple name in the <ref> code:
The second time you use the same reference in the article, you need only to create a short cut instead of typing it all out again:
You can then use the short cut as many times as you want. Don't forget the /, or it will blank the rest of the article! Some symbols don't work in the ref name, but you'll find out if you use them. You can see multiple use of the same refs in action in the article William Bowyer (artist). There are 3 sources and they are each referenced 3 times. Each statement in the article has a footnote to show what its source is.
The above method is simple and combines references and notes into one section. A refinement is to put the full details of the references in their own section headed "References", while the notes which apply to them appear in a separate section headed "Notes". The notes can be inserted in the main article text in an abbreviated form as seen in Harriet Arbuthnot or in a full form as in Brown Dog affair.
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