User talk:RevelationDirect/Archive 2020

A barnstar for you

		The Barnstar of Diligence
		For your seeming tireless efforts in bringing to CFD so many of the torrent of WP:NONDEFINING award categories which clog up biographical articles. This is a huge task which you research very thoroughly, and you present your findings very openly. This is a significant contribution to making biographical categories usable, by removing category clutter. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:38, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Want to give this a plus one as well, especially since you take the time to listify them rather than just putting them up for deletion hit-and-run style. bibliomaniac15 18:25, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Admin?

I don't know if it's ever been on your radar, but have you ever thought about going through an RFA? Your work on categories has been quite good, and we sorely need admins who are versed in the area. It would be a challenge (given that people's standards for adminship are quite high), but I was thinking about the need we have at CFD, and I think you have the temperament and clue to be an admin. bibliomaniac15 21:32, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Deletion of Category:Japanese Hall of Fame inductees

I'm a little confused as to why something like this would be deleted but something like Category:Canadian Baseball Hall of Fame inductees is not. Is it because the Japanese Baseball Hall of Fame article isn't robust enough? I'm genuinely curious what I need to do to make this category worthwhile enough to be restored along with other "XXX Baseball Hall of Fame inductee" categories. Also, was any wikiproject alerted of this category deletion discussion? I would have definitely participated had seen it pop up in the Baseball Wikiproject talk page. --Torsodog^Talk 00:19, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

@Torsodog: Thanks for reaching out! A large majority of hall of fame categories have been deleted and I'm planning on nominating more. To use your Canada example, while the baseball one has not been nominated, deletions have included Category:Canada's Sports Hall of Fame inductees, Category:Canadian Curling Hall of Fame inductee, Category:Canadian Business Hall of Fame, Category:Canadian Lacrosse Hall of Fame inductees, Category:Canadian Mining Hall of Fame, Category:Canadian Olympic Hall of Fame, and Category:Canadian Motorsport Hall of Fame inductees.

The way WP:CFD works is that you tag the category which alerts anyone with it on their watchlist. Most WikiProjects also have set up to add an automatic alert, like at Wikipedia:WikiProject Baseball/Article alerts where there is another baseball category up for discussion now (input welcome!). After a week the discussion can be closed and, if you think there was a procedural error with that close, you can appeal to WP:DRV.

The issue is not with Japanese Baseball Hall of Fame list article at all. Categories are based on WP:NOTABILITY (is it verifiable by reliable secondary sources?) whereas categories are held to a standard of WP:DEFINING (does this category aid navigation because this feature defines the articles?) The difference between these two standards causes a lot of confusion leading to list articles being improperly converted into categories, per Wikipedia:Categories versus lists.

You also may want to consider creating a template, like Template:Australian Rugby League Hall of Fame, to which I would have no objection. Sorry for the long answer, but I hope it helped because I appreciate your concern. RevelationDirect (talk) 01:54, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

No worries about the long answer, it's appreciated! Categories have always been weirdly confusing for me considering how active I've been on Wikipedia. I can't say I fully understand, but I'll look more into it. The Japanese Baseball Hall of Fame is fairly notable as well the induction of players into it. I know many of the Japanese baseball player articles don't reflect that, however, as improving all of the important player articles is unfortunately a huge undertaking. Maybe once many of the Japanese Hall of Fame player articles have been bulked up with references to their HOF induction the category again would be relevant? --Torsodog^Talk 02:03, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Improving the quality of articles would certainly be a worthwhile endeavor, although I'm not confident it would help bring back this category. Another area you might want to think about for it's own sake is improving the article. List of tallest buildings in Melbourne is clearly a very different topic but it is pretty awesome and pushes the bounds of how I think of a list article. Good luck! RevelationDirect (talk) 02:10, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:American Federation of School Administrators (logo).PNG

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Added back to file infobox at American Federation of School Administrators. RevelationDirect (talk) 01:15, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Help with a manual merge/disperse

Hey there, you mentioned that you would be willing to help with dispersing the contents of Category:Support ships into the proper subcategories of Category:Auxiliary ships in this discussion. I've recently closed it and would like to request your help on the matter. This request is also listed at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Working/Manual#Manual_merges. Thanks! bibliomaniac15 02:48, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

@Bibliomaniac15: Manually dispersed and I updated Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Working/Manual#Ready for deletion. - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:55, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks! bibliomaniac15 04:07, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Category:Goodyear family has been nominated for renaming

Category:Goodyear family has been nominated for renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 06:55, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Amtrak President

Amtrak president listing left out Paul Restrip — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:84:8A01:B2B0:BD91:817:5B77:68D (talk) 03:01, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

@2601:84:8A01:B2B0:BD91:817:5B77:68D: To add an article to a category, the article has to exist and then you add the category to the bottom of that article. (In contrast, with list articles there can be redlinks for articles that don't exist yet.) RevelationDirect (talk) 22:23, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Shouldn't this have remained a redlink...

Shouldn't this have remained a redlink... Geo Swan (talk) 17:54, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

@Geo Swan: Agreed, especially since the company is now referenced elsewhere in the article. Reversed my edit. RevelationDirect (talk) 18:30, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

Category:The Bachelor has been nominated for renaming

Category:The Bachelor has been nominated for renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. ApprenticeFan work 02:57, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Nomination of List of Coca-Cola buildings and structures for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article List of Coca-Cola buildings and structures is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Coca-Cola buildings and structures until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. MB 02:24, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Hey I noticed you trying to delete my catergory

I noticed you are trying to delete my category. Reported haunted locations in japan. Can you explain why. CycoMa (talk) 01:08, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

@CycoMa: Sure, the articles tend to be historic locations that either have a troubled history (for the Japan subcategory, I'm thinking the Suicide Forest) or, and this might be an American thing, historic sites that intentionally market themselves for Halloween themed events before they switch to Christmas themed. While the "reports" are verifiable, the underlying claims of hauntedness are not and don't seem defining or encyclopedic to me.

What do you think? (Regardless of whether I change your mind, I encourage you to weigh in on the CFD discussion.) RevelationDirect (talk) 01:23, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Most of those articles mention how a good amount of people believe those places are haunted or at one point claimed to be haunted in folklore.

In folklore Himeji Castle was haunted by a spirit of Banchō Sarayashiki.

Many Japanese claim to hear or see supernatural things going on those locations as well.

The articles aren’t claiming that ghosts are real nor is it saying that all these sightings are true. It’s merely saying that people believe the locations to be haunted. CycoMa (talk) 02:41, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

My concern is that people have opinions/beliefs about all sorts of things: which restaurants have the best food, which areas area beautiful, or where alien abducted them. Categorizing articles by these opinions is subjective even if we frame it as "Reportedly delicious", "Reportedly beautiful" or "Reportedly abducted". Thanks for sharing your thoughts! - RevelationDirect (talk) 03:04, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

Awards categories

I see you've led the charge in deleting tons of crufty awards categories. I also see that you're keen on invoking precedent, but may I suggest an easier way? Perhaps you could create a subpage to your userpage and link to it from the discussions, listing on that page all the previous discussions that have taken place to build precedent that awards categories need to be more defining to stay around. I just want to save you the trouble of typing tons of wikilinks using the word "here". Cheers! Zeke, the Mad Horrorist ^{(Speak quickly)} _{(Follow my trail)} 19:42, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

@Zeke, the Mad Horrorist: That's a good idea, I created a list right here. Thanks for the suggestion! - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:26, 10 December 2020 (UTC)