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Leonard Nimoy

Apologies for the initial revert; it was afterwards that it occurred to me to keep listening to the video. —ATinySliver/^ATalkPage 🖖 21:34, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: For the Love of Spock (November 10)

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Focus on supporting actor

Hi Maykiwi,

You have recently made an edit on Kung Fu: The Next Generation, when you added the cast you put a citation next to a single member of the supporting cast.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kung_Fu:_The_Next_Generation&diff=1030110418&oldid=1021504212

This is not needed. Also, way back when I got into trouble for using IMDb as a citation.

Here is a list of approved and un-approved citations. IMDb is not approved.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources

Thanks.Filmman3000 (talk) 17:38, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Hyperbolic words

Hi Maykiwi,

You also did another mistake. It's one I did many times. Could you believe that I got reprimanded for using "passed away" instead of "died" in an instance.

Hence for Kung Fu: The Next Generation I changed "An epic fight ensues, in which the Caines overcome the evildoers." for "A fight ensues, in which the Caines overcome the criminals."

Thanks.Filmman3000 (talk) 18:24, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

IMDb is not a good citation

Hi Maykiwi,

Please do not use imdb as a citation, it is not approved. Also, it looks super random when you put it next to a specific actor.Filmman3000 (talk) 21:36, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

Greetings. I wish to ask you a favor. It is true that IMDb is not recommended, but it isn't a deprecated source; it won't make an article toxic. Regarding biographies is unusable because people themselves write their bios and, as it was originally (and still is) a way to get jobs, they tend to be highly self-laudatory. But, is there another source, a better or even an equivalent one, to know about the career of an actor, when he/she hasn't an article in Wikipedia to link with? So, here I ask you for a favor. I had to edit a disambiguation page because of Bill Fletcher (actor), who is a fine and prolific actor, but who never had the luck of someone starting a Wikipedia article about him. Would you do it? Or, can you find a source other than IMDb to link to his name? <https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0281950/> Thanks. Maykiwi (talk) 23:10, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

@Filmman3000: Hello. I forgot that without the "reply" template there is no way you know I replied to you. The edition on the disambiguation page was swiftly reverted, because there can't be non-existing pages in disambiguation pages. So, as there is a redirect page from "Bill Fletcher" to "William Fletcher," his presence in Wikipedia is negated until someone starts his article. The request stands. Thanks. Maykiwi (talk) 21:36, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Go on article wizard after making a solid draft in your sandbox: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Article_wizard

Start with what is available on AFI, TV Guide, and finally TCM. They are valid citations.

Hope this helps.Filmman3000 (talk) 17:30, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

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@Diannaa: Greetings. I see the problem. It is a problem, indeed. I have posted my doubts here

Wikipedia talk:Copyright problems#Help to correct a copyright issue, and provide information at the same time.

to see whether I can find a solution to it. Thanks. Maykiwi (talk) 22:08, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

I have added some comments there. Other people might comment too, it's hard to say.— Diannaa (talk) 23:34, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

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Welcome to Wikipedia. We appreciate your contributions, but in one of your recent edits, it appears that you have added original research, which is against Wikipedia's policies. Original research refers to material—such as facts, allegations, ideas, and personal experiences—for which no reliable, published sources exist; it also encompasses combining published sources in a way to imply something that none of them explicitly say. Please be prepared to cite a reliable source for all of your contributions. You can have a look at the tutorial on citing sources. If you continue to deliberately add deprecated sources to Wikipedia, in support of essay-like content, you are likely to be blocked for disruption. David Gerard (talk) 23:21, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

Greetings. Thanks for the welcome, I have been here for a while already :-)
May I know how am I combining sources to make them say something they didn't say? What would be that "something," exactly?
The most reliable sources available said the actor died, a few things about his body were officially said and reported, two autopsies were performed. A year later, The Associated Press said the Thai authorities hadn't released the results of their investigation, and that's correctly stated and sourced. Regarding the American autopsy, I searched everywhere for its results, found none, so, nothing is said. How am I doing "original research" exactly?
Everything else, the Tabloids and Mainstream media reaction, is what was informed to the public by the media, mainstream media, reliable sources. It is not me combining sources to make them say things if the reliable sources themselves cited The Smoking Gun, or a reporter who worked (maybe) for the National Enquirer as their sources (as shown in the quotes), or they quoted a pathologist who did not participate in the investigation (some reliable sources noticed that, it isn't my imagination), and they quoted two ladies who had divorced the deceased years before, instead of the official investigation, to determine AEA as the manner of death. It is merely stating facts, supported by sources. I am not saying that what the unreliable sources (tabloids) said was true in any way either, but showing what those sources said to the public, often done through mainstream media quoting them directly, accompanied with descriptions and notes clearly stating that they are unreliable sources.
Making allegations, I think, would be if I had stated in the article that Carradine's death was (let's say) a murder, and that there was a cover-up of the investigators and the tabloids to deliberately defame the deceased by making his death appear as AEA. There's nothing like that in the article. I merely compiled what a bunch of sources said, and occasionally they reported conspiracy theories. Speaking about conspiracy theories in a Wikipedia article is not the same thing as stating that conspiracies are real.
Well, we have a disagreement, but I insist, all what I have done has been referencing to reliable sources, and also to the sources they based their reporting on. I'm sorry you didn't like the results. The only "original" thing here is that the section goes against common knowledge.
Regarding the "essay" thing, if you read the Wikipedia article Essay, it includes formal and academic essays; Wikipedia is full of these kind of writings, they are the best articles. I am not "continually adding deprecated sources to Wikipedia," but merely reporting what mainstream media said, in one article, because that's what the reliable sources did: they used tabloids as sources, and they quoted them themselves; adding the citations to the original sources only states facts.
I see you have copy-pasted a form used with inexperienced editors. Adding the threat of blocking me, of using the power you have as an Administrator against a fellow Wikipedian without having given specific examples of wrongdoing or suggested improvements, after having deleted from the article everything that happened after June 4, 2009 piece by piece, as if offering no information at all were better than reliable sources you can't dispute, doesn't make you right, but edges abuse of power. If you can offer help to improve the article, specifically the official results of the investigations, presented by reliable media, please do. I wish there were articles from the reliable sources saying something like "we made a mistake by quoting gossip websites and tabloids as our sources" to cite them, but I have found none. I only wrote what they did and said, with references and plenty, plenty of quotes. If you block me for that, you would be going against the principles you say you are defending. If you don't want to write in detail what you find must be corrected, paragraph by paragraph, offer advice in a civil fashion, if you just delete the section leaving the article more incomplete than it was in 2009, if you limit yourself to derogatory adjectives and threats, we can go to arbitration. Or, you can read the section, calmly, and check the sources. Have you done it? I seriously doubt it. Maykiwi (talk) 02:13, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi, you put a question on my user page about why I reverted your changes to the David Carradine article. Those sort of questions should go on the article talk page, or a user talk page, and not a user page itself.

His death, and the media coverage of it, is clearly a topic you care about a lot but the content you've added includes synthesising a lot of sources together, constructing a narrative and drawing conclusions. I'd really encourage you to read the links @David Gerard provides above. On a separate point, aside from the sourcing and tone issues, the length of the content seems disproportionate, the "Death" section ended up almost as long as the rest of the article. Possibly your research might be suited to a personal blog?

To take one example, where you've got "Interestingly, the third-highest circulated British tabloid Daily Mail (which is considered a very unreliable source by Wikipedia) on that occasion followed along the same lines as The Associated Press. The article's comments show the media reporting's effect on public opinion about the case." This (plus the reference with extensive comment) is original research and commentary on your part. If you want to include this information you need a reliable source making these observations and drawing the connection between the article's comments and "the media reporting's effect on public opinion", and you would need to change the way the information is phrased to follow WP:WIKIVOICE. JaggedHamster (talk) 14:45, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello. Now we are talking. :-) You didn't have an user page, it was my attempt to communicate with you what created it; these technicalities are baffling to me.
All right, I see your point. The solution was simply telling me the problems you saw instead of deleting everything and leaving the article even worse; no information at all is no better than too much information. My problem now is not with you, because you gave interesting points to consider, but with David Gerard, who is an Administrator, gave no points to improve the section, and has threatened to block me if I do, basically, anything. The Death issue cannot be treated without at least mentioning that the investigation said this, and the media said something different, and they used tabloids as their sources. All that is based on very reliable sources: mainstream media themselves, which formed the public opinion. The passion is about what sources actually say.
The section's length is disproportionate because the biography is too short, an actor's professional biography is more than putting the filmography in paragraph form, and, it also has mistakes: for example, Around and Americana are the same movie. Not to speak about the colorful personal life. Everything should coalesce eventually, and the proportions balance. Compare with Margaret Mitchell's biography.
Could you tell me which conclusions I draw that the article shows? Other than the investigation didn't release results, which is supported by sources, and that the media filled the space with tabloid material they quoted verbatim according to themselves quoting it? I didn't intend to imply a cover-up, a conspiracy, a murder, a botched investigation, just put what the sources said it happened. There was no conclusion as far as sources go. Did I imply one inadvertently?
A solution would be uploading a trimmed version of the section until the end of the investigation. That's all supported by reliable sources, quoting Thai police and Dr. Baden. And then, readers would wonder why AEA is censored, what happened with the ex-wives, the Thai pathologist and the wig and fishnets Google always gives as a first result in certain searches. Can we really ignore the media issue? And, what about the tributes and funeral? Let's pretend as if the guy just disappeared? What would be your ideal version of the section?
Well, you gave me some advice, and that's something to work with. But, what do I do with Gerard? He doesn't give answers or advice and threatened me. I am seeking support in the first stage of mediation. I cannot do anything without knowing what Gerard has in mind, when he even deleted quotes in old reliable citations in another section, and I don't know what he expects the section to be.
I am copying this message to your Talk page, because I still don't get how this thing works. Sometimes I get notifications I have a message, sometimes I don't and find them by chance; it is not that I am ignoring people. Let's continue. Maykiwi (talk) 17:58, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

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