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Menopause

As you seem to have taken an interest in the Menopause article. (Incidentally, congratulations on maintaining an even and pleasant tone in dealing with the Talk page comments there!)

I have two issues that I don't feel I can deal with on this page. One is that the page appears to basically start over after the Background section-- starting at Terminology, much that was in the Background section is repeated.

This got me looking for large cut'n'paste additions, and though I didn't find what I was expecting, I did find that this addition appears to be a copyright violation from a book called "Women's Health Across the Lifespan: A Pharmacotherapeutic Approach". A google search for "Oral micronised estradiol and other oral estrogen preparations may result in up to 10 fold higher levels of circulating estrone sulphate than transdermally administered estradiol at comparable or even higher doses" finds it.

Sorry to just dump this on you, but I'm really not editing at Wikipedia any more.

Cheers! Mwanner | Talk 20:12, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Sure, I'll try to deal with the copyvio. Take care! Mwanner | Talk 22:44, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

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Wiki-Conference NYC (2nd annual)

Our 2nd annual Wiki-Conference NYC has been confirmed for the weekend of August 28-29 at New York University.

There's still plenty of time to join a panel, or to propose a lightning talk or an open space session. Register for the Wiki-Conference here. And sign up here for on-wiki notification. All are invited!
This has been an automated delivery by BrownBot (talk) 15:22, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

I would love to attend, I had such a good time last year, but I will be in California. Invertzoo (talk) 00:43, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Happy Invertzoo's Day!

User:Invertzoo has been identified as an Awesome Wikipedian,
and therefore, I've officially declared today as Invertzoo's day!
For being such a beautiful person and great Wikipedian,
enjoy being the Star of the day, dear Invertzoo!

Peace,
Rlevse
00:08, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

A record of your Day will always be kepthere.

For a userbox you can add to your userbox page, see User:Rlevse/Today/Happy Me Day! and my own userpage for a sample of how to use it. — Rlevse • Talk • 00:08, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

You are extremely kind, friend. :) Wikilove is what keeps the site going, and unfortunately I find it's something we forget too often.bibliomaniac15 04:51, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Imlay Boronia

Hi Zoo,

I'm sorry you are unwell, I didn't realize. Hope you recover soon. xxx

Last November I crawled up Mount Imlay in southern New South Wales. And photographed the Imlay Boronia, Boronia imlayensis. Despite it only being found in an area 500 metres long and 50 metres wide, it has no official status. I hoped that one of these government paid persons at the botanic gardens might have been interested. He made some suggestions that he would climb the mountain with me again next spring, and try to adjust the status of the plant.

But nothing appears to have happened. Is the official status of this plant, "endangered", "vulnerable", "rare". Perhaps the official status is "who cares".

Below, is my recent e-mail to him.

What's the story with the Imlay Boronia? Is it still without any official status? Rare, vulnerable, endangered? Maybe the official status is who cares. Who cares about a little Australian plant? The botanist, Marco Duretto suggested "vulnerable" as the plant's status. I agree, it is a good description. But what have you guys at the botanic gardens done about it?
Recently I took a group of four guys to see the giant Woodford Tree in the Blue Mountains. It was measured at 78 metres tall in 1978, (see photos). No doubt, being a botanist you would know more about it than us. Eucalyptus deanei is the name. It's a very large tree indeed. The four guys with me in July reckoned it is bigger than The Grandis, the huge gum tree up near Bulahdelah.http://picasaweb.google.com/poyt448/WoodfordTree#5494051776217407314
In spring I hope to climb Mount Imlay again, as I did last spring. If you are fit, please come along with me.
The mountain is of considerable botanic interest. Such as the critically endangered Imlay Mallee. The pink flowered Imlay Boronia. It will be flowering in October. Not to mention the spectacular rainforest to the south. Containing Black Olive Berry trees and ferns. This is a jewel in the rainforest flora of New South Wales. One of the seldom seen wonders of Australian rainforest botany.
Published reports of Mount Imlay says there's Atherosperma and Pittosporum bicolor there. Last spring, I saw none of it. And no Nothofagus either, which was another of the rumours. A.G.Floyd's rainforest survey seemed correct.
Please advise on the legal status of the Imlay Boronia, (Boronia imlayensis). And if you are free to climb the great mountain near the Victorian border. Then I'd be very happy to be with you.

Peter Woodard Poyt448 (talk) 09:26, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Snail video

Here is the link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:SeaSnails.ogg

Not sure why it is not working. If this does not work, go tohttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Qfl247/vids or click on the vids section of my signature. Hope this works! QFL 24-7 bla ¤ cntrb ¤kids ¤ pics ¤vids 15:06, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Any luck now? QFL 24-7 bla ¤ cntrb ¤kids ¤ pics ¤vids 21:46, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for asking, but no I can't watch any of your videos anywhere. I am mystified. I am on a Mac, is that relevant? Is there some piece of software I need to download or something? Invertzoo (talk) 22:12, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
I see I do need to download a plug-in because I am using OS X. I had one go at making it work this evening but without success, I will try again tomorrow.Invertzoo (talk) 23:27, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks re: Whole wheat bread & Gastropods project

Hi, I just wanted to thank you for the work you did to help fix the Whole Wheat Bread / Whole Wheat Bread (band) problem which I had mentioned on theTalk:Brown_bread page. And thanks for your work in the Gastropods Project, I am learning a lot from the pages there. Thanks for your kind words on my talk page. Also I did not know you were unwell, I hope you get well soon. And enjoy your vacation! Fallendarling (talk) 13:59, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

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Apology

Thanks for your recent message on my talk about the tone I used when helping improve the Paul the octopus article in July. I want to formally apologise for communicating with you in a way that disturbed you, even though I stand firmly by my position on the content issue. I hope I shall do better in future. Best wishes, --John (talk) 15:18, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Hi again John,
I do appreciate your replying to me and apologizing, but in reality I was not looking for an apology, neither was I complaining about the points you were trying to make in your notes. I was attempting to explain that it seems to be the case that you need to try to pay more attention in general to the way you express yourself in your notes, your tone. Tone is extremely important in written communication, because the recipient cannot see one's face, and therefore cannot always tell whether one is being kind and friendly, or agressive and haughty. A written note always ends up conveying an emotional attitude, whether or not the author intends to do so or not. Without the deliberate use of friendly words (which need to be based on an inner friendliness), a note can appear to be quite rude.
I understand that you become frustrated (or as you say: exasperated or infuriated) when you are trying to make a point about policy that seems perfectly obvious to you, a point that you feel all experienced Wikipedia editors should already be familiar with.
However, the world-wide collaboration that is Wikipedia demands an enormous (even superhuman) amount of patience from us all. Successful collaboration requires flexibility and a great deal of respect for others, especially those who have already proven themelves as reliable contributors. All of us frequently have to deal with people who don't see things the way that we see them. This does not necessarily mean that one person is "totally right", and the others are "totally wrong"; there can be a genuine difference in interpretation.
When experienced editors with a good track record don't seem to "get" what you are saying, it is not because they are being stupid or obstinate, it's much more likely that they have a somewhat different interpretation of a Wikipedia guideline or Pillar than you do. Wikipedia is not static, it evolves, and our individual understanding of the principles changes over time, both unofficially and officially.
Even when you notice that an established editor has made an out-and-out error, perhaps one that is clearly against policy, the error has almost certainly come about as part of a good faith attempt to improve an article.
As a sysop, of course you have to think about the principles of Wikipedia a lot more than the average editor does, but it is not worthwhile to let the frustrations of Wikipedia communication annoy you or upset you. When that does happen (as it will once in a while) it is even more essential than usual to try to maintain a friendly approach to the people you are writing to. Not just civil, but friendly. As a sysop you have a responsibility to the Project to behave well, better than the rest of us. When you run out of goodwill and kindness and are running on exasperation and infuriation instead, then it is time to take a Wikibreak.
Yes, NPOV is indeed one of the Five Pillars or core principles of Wikipedia, but so is Civility. It's absolutely essential to "assume good faith" and to treat other contributors with respect. Actually, just being "civil" is not nearly enough, being respectful and kind and appreciative is necessary. And so is seeing others as being equal to yourself. That is what is meant by Wikilove. We are all volunteers. We do this work totally out of the kindness of our hearts. We all need encouragement and kind words. Without kindness the Project cannot thrive.
Best wishes to you John, and thank you for all your hard work on Wikipedia, Invertzoo (talk) 01:10, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
Sorry to barge in, but I have to say this was beautiful. I wish more wikiusers had such wisdom to share! Don't see me as a flatterer, the message really touched me. Best, -Daniel Cavallari (talk) 11:34, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
Yes Susan, I endorse what Daniel said, though your offer of brilliant sanity may well fall on deaf ears. Wikipedia is one of the most important projects in these critical times, and it looks like it is being terminally sabotaged, or at least put in grave peril, by narcissistic administrators who are not held to account. And John is just a bit of a huge iceberg. I hope John can stand back and see what is actually happening here, and chooses not to wreak further havoc. If our administrators lack wisdom, then eventually this project is lost. Beyond that, I really do not know what can be said, and feel powerless. Yet still, I suppose we must take a stand (before we are blocked, aye?) --Epipelagic (talk) 12:54, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Ali Bushnaq, Dudu Yifrah and Micha Yaniv

— Rlevse • Talk • 00:03, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

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Clavus hewittae

Just to let you know that your name has been given as an epithet to a gastropod species in 1991. I hope this may give you a good feeling and take away a bit the pain from your bruised ribcage (how did that happen ?) and make your vacation a bit more enjoyable. Happy holiday ! Cheers. JoJan (talk) 19:07, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Ha! I was unaware of this honor until you brought it to my attention! How nice of you! The bruised ribs were from a freak accident in my local outdoor swimming pool, a sort of person to person hit and run. The ribs are very nearly better. The weather is very nice here now, but the ocean water temp is only 58ºF (14.4º Celsius) today so I have not been in yet! Best wishes, Invertzoo (talk) 20:19, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Eustrombus gigas peer-review

Hi there Susan! I hope your ribs have healed... In the meantime, I am submitting the Eustrombus gigas article to a peer-review, in order to prepare it for a future FA candidacy. I may be wrong, but I believe there is no better way for us to visualize all of the article's flaws, before we submit it to an actual FA review. Daniel Cavallari (talk) 14:37, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Hi Daniel. My ribs are nearly better but not quite 100% yet, thanks for asking, you are very kind. Peer review is certainly an idea worth pursuing, but it has the limitation that some peers tend to concentrate mainly on details of article content, whereas FA review often focusses on proper advanced Wikipedia styling rules, some of which a lot of us either are not really familiar with at all, or simply don't notice routinely. We could perhaps try to ask someone friendly who has had more experience with FA in general to take a look at it, unofficially. (FA is generally considered to be extremely difficult to attain, unlike GA.)
That's something we could as well do! Bit by bit, and we'll be seeing E. gigas in the front page someday... Daniel Cavallari (talk) 16:54, 22 August 2010 (UTC)


PS: I'm also thinking about submitting Strombus canarium to a GA review. Do you think it would be successful? Daniel Cavallari (talk) 14:49, 22 August 2010 (UTC)


Yes, I do think that article is close enough to GA to make it! I can help you of course, but right now I am away on a trip and don't have as much availability. I will be back in early September. I would be delighted to work with you on trying to upgrade these articles. Invertzoo (talk) 15:35, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
Then I'll wait until you return. I'll be much happier and feel much more secure with you around to help! I have many plans to become a strombid gastropod specialist, and expand the wikipedia articles on the subject in the near future. Here in the Museum I have access to the largest zoological library in Latin America, and that is a blessing. Best wishes! Daniel Cavallari (talk) 16:54, 22 August 2010 (UTC)


Susan, I hope you've healed! If you have enough time, and wish to participate in the E. gigas peer review, then please do so! If you don't have enough time right now, please have a look at it later. Some very useful suggestions and propositions are popping up! Best wishes, Daniel Cavallari (talk) 00:24, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

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Pommerhelix monacha

Dear Zoo,

I hope you are feeling better.

Michael Shea from the Australian Museum has come good yet again. He helped identify a very poor specimen of snail shell, photographed on Friday. I'm afraid I have almost no information on this at all. Please advise if I can assist in fleshing out the new article. Does Snek have access to further information on this creature? Pommerhelix monacha

PETE Poyt448 (talk) 04:33, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Zoo, Michael Shea has given us lots of information. Is it OK if I leave it with you and Snek?

PETE Poyt448 (talk) 02:20, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

MoS

Hello, do not use neither small nor big style in the text per Wikipedia:Manual of Style (text formatting)#Font size. That apply also in cladograms. Thanks. --Snek01 (talk) 17:53, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Verification

Hello, could you verify determination prior to upload, please?

--Snek01 (talk) 22:17, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Invertzoo

Please be careful.

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QASIMARA, you might want to explain this. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:51, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

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