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New Pages Patrol newsletter January 2023

Hello GRuban,

Backlog

The October drive reduced the backlog from 9,700 to an amazing 0! Congratulations to WaddlesJP13 who led with 2084 points. See this page for further details. The queue is steadily rising again and is approaching 2,000. It would be great if <2,000 were the “new normal”. Please continue to help out even if it's only for a few or even one patrol a day.

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Alice Walton updates

Hello! Kevin from the Walton family office here. I posted an edit request for the Alice Walton article and thought you might be interested in taking a look. I've appreciated your help over the years and it'd be great to continue collaborating if you are available. Thanks, and happy new year! Kt2011 (Talk · COI:Walton family) 14:27, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

Hi there! Stopping by to let you know I've posted a new edit request for Alice Walton. Would be glad to hear your feedback if you have time. I also made a request for Rob Walton that I thought might interest you. His birthday has been incorrect for some time, and there is finally a source with the right date. Thanks! Kt2011 (Talk · COI:Walton family) 15:49, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

2023

Today's featured article is Osbert Parsley, not by me but Amitchell125 where I commented, including the beginning of my songs. - The image of Andrew Szydlo who gave a speech at my friend's birthday concert (YouTube on top of my talk) is not on the commons, - could that change, perhaps? Plus a crop, for DYK? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:30, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

I'm on vacation, - click on songs! I tell my own stories now, instead of relying on DYK. - Still the same image question. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:46, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

I'm back. - Melitta Muszely died, RIP. I remember how you worked on her pics, with thanks. I could imagine the lead image cropped a bit. Thoughts on the chemist (for my last DYK)? - The other story today is 10 years old OTD ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:50, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

Terribly sorry, completely missed the chemist request, will look. Varying crops of the first Melitta Muszely image:

--GRuban (talk) 18:24, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: Couldn't find a YouTube Szydlo video on your talk page, but found this one, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-999kycGBo, and here are two cropped, brightened screenshots from it. --GRuban (talk) 19:06, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

Thank you so much. Muszely: the image is in her infobox, and I wish it was less longish, less gown, less black on the right perhaps, or a drastic landscape format, without skirt? Sorry about having been confusing about chemist. I meant the image in his article, for some reason not in the infobox but below. Could it go to the commons, and be cropped for Main page purposes. If not, the second crop you gave will do fine. The video was at the described place when I wrote. It's on the page of Alchymic Quartet, but it's not for this image purpose (he was just speaking, not demonstrating, and speaking in German), just for your entertainment. The beginning of his speech in English is [1] (ref 2). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:34, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

Szydlo (don't know why I wanted to add a "w" there) all done, I think, if I understood correctly. --GRuban (talk) 21:14, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

That's great!! ... both, I mean. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:48, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

DYK for Ruby Tandoh

On 11 January 2023, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Ruby Tandoh, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that when baker Ruby Tandoh (pictured) publicly came out, she mocked critics who suggested that she had romanced a male contest judge? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Ruby Tandoh. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Ruby Tandoh), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

BorgQueen (talk) 00:02, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

		Hook update
		Your hook reached 19,804 views (1,650.3 per hour), making it one of the most viewed hooks of January 2023 – nice work!

GalliumBot (talk • contribs) (he/it) 03:27, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

@George Ho and The Drover's Wife: GalliumBot is too modest - the DYK got the most views of any DYK hook this whole month! (Per hour; it seems it was only up for 12 hours, while some others were up for 24 and got more.) It was an unusual sort of collaboration (which could have been expected from your user names; a Wife and a Ho work together?

), but it wouldn't have happened without each of you, thank you both. --GRuban (talk) 17:34, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

Yella Hertzka

Happy New Year. I hope your magic is intact because I just finished this and need some help with photos for this new article.

"Activists" I discovered this, but it says status unknown. Searched LOC, Old Fulton, Newspapers.com, Newspaperarchive.com, Austrian papers, and Dutch papers as well as Women and Social Movements because the Alexander Street Press has the journals of the National Woman Party and International Women's Suffrage organizations which founded WILPF. I cannot find it published, but then I discovered a better image here but have zero clue what the German stuff says except that the IFFF Zweig Österreich, part means the Austrian Chapter of WILPF. (The first link has the names of all the women, whereas the better image link does not.) I asked Kusma for other ideas where to search. I am not married to this image, but I would like to have an image of her with international feminists.

Kusma says that the text says the image comes from "this totally useless website: Austrian State Archive / Archive of the Republic". I wasn't sure what he meant by that until I tried to find the image there and it is crazy. Searching her name returns one link, but when you press on that result, it takes you to another page with a long list of other links, none of which seem to have anything to do with Hertzka. Searching "BKA-I SAM IFFF Zweig Österreich, 523-1-6", which Kusma says is likely the internal code identifying the image in their collection, has exactly the same problem. It gives one result, but when you press that link, a slew of unrelated content pops up. Perhaps with your technical skill you will have better luck finding it?

Nevermind all that. I found proof of publishing in Geneva in 1921!!! I will have to email it to you because the PDF is paywalled so I had to save it on my computer. The image sucks, but we can use the better one and the list of names is intact. SusunW (talk) 16:27, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

Yes, that's pretty clearly the same image.

"Portrait" I discovered this, which looks to me to be the same photo image flipped that was published in 1924. Your eyes are better, can I use it?
- Aiee - that's ... I mean it might be a crop of the same image or might not. --GRuban (talk) 02:00, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
"Kaasgraben Colony" I'd love to have the aerial view which appears on p 141, but obviously the book is in copyright. So I poked around and found these published outside the US in 1917 (first 3 images, but I am not interested in interiors, though Hoffmann's article might be) I can't decide between them. The first one makes it clear it is a duplex, but the third one shows that they were definitely in a colony.

Any help you can give will be greatly appreciated. SusunW (talk) 19:55, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the WILPF photo. I'm okay without the other one, but I do want the villas. SusunW (talk) 04:49, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

Siehe da! --GRuban (talk) 00:16, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

Danke schön! I am off to nominate her for GA, and no rest for the weary, I've given you a new request below. 3:) SusunW (talk) 14:41, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Johanna Cutts

Hi, you rejected another editor's draft of this High Court judge a few months ago because the article did not meet GNG, but I believe that the subject would have presumed notability under WP:JUDGE. A High Court judge being a national post in the English legal system. I am not sure if it is too late to reconsider this or how the review works -- I was a naughty boy and skipped the process for my first article. Best wishes, Solipsism 101 (talk) 16:04, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

Will reconsider, thank you! --GRuban (talk) 22:47, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

@Solipsism 101 and Raydann: Accepted. I see Raydann rejected it again just this morning on the same WP:GNG grounds, there really isn't much content about her in the references, but Solipsism's WP:JUDGE argument seems reasonable, and the fact that her name was the only missing one from the list is very strong argument to "complete the set". Thank you both! --GRuban (talk) 15:15, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

Helene Scheu-Riesz

I may be making this more difficult than I have to, but I'm just gonna lay it out and let you do magic. I found this photo, published in the US in 1939. No mark on the masthead or publishing data. No entry in Periodicals for 1939 for the Charlotte Observer. But then I noticed in one of the sources Ipigott had found, the same photo. If you click on it, it says the creator was the Atelier Pietzner & Fayer. Googling that, I came up with this photo, by the same guys. Georg Fayer died in 1950, so 70 years later would be 2020. But Pietzner's data says "Carl Pietzner junior (1884 – 20th century)", which doesn't really tell me he's dead. So, I googled it and came up with a Find a Grave entry that says 1884-1963. We don't call that a RS, so I googled "Karl Pietzner (1884-1963)" and found an entry for someone else at the ÖNB, which confirms those dates. I looked up both of them in the 1939 Artist/works and find neither. She was living in North Carolina from 1938, and there are no newspaper/journal articles about her after 1937 in Austria, so I have no idea if it was made in the US or Austria. So, is it not usable because it won't go out of copyright until 2033, or it is usable because it's actually stamped only by Fayer and they didn't comply with US regulations? If we can't use that, can we use this one published in Austria in 1914? SusunW (talk) 23:14, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

Okay, I think I'm done editing it just need the photos. Would really like to have them both. I poked around a bit to see if I could figure out about the firm. This mentions nothing at all about the son. Says it was formed by Pietzner Sr. (1853‒1927) and Fayer. SusunW (talk) 18:33, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

The second one is here:

Photograph of Viennese writer and feminist Helene Scheu-Riesz, taken by Pauline Kruger Hamilton. On page 8 of the Wiener Bilder, Viennese newspaper, for 25 January 1914
Page 8 of the Wiener Bilder, Viennese newspaper, for 25 January 1914

The first one will take a bit longer. I can see the highest resolution here: https://onb.digital/result/10E03474 but it's an OpenSeadragon image that I can't quite get the full resolution of. I do think we can call it public domain - you can see the stamp on the image that says Fayer, and we have an article on him, Georg Fayer, and he died in 1950. Yes, you do have a web page that says that it was from Atelier Pietzner & Fayer, but I think we can argue that even if that meant the photographer was the two of them together, that still meant Pietzner senior at the time of the photograph, who also passed before 1952. Sure, later that was taken over by Pietzner junior, but we can argue that either Fayer (most likely) or at worst Fayer and senior should be considered the photographer. Let me play with dowloading a bit ... --GRuban (talk) 19:41, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

I was hoping you'd say that! Yay and thanks. I so appreciate your help. (I guess you saw in emails that Max has finally replied again on Kae Miller, perhaps it can be finalized and moved to mainspace soon.) SusunW (talk) 19:49, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

Three versions of the same image, your call. --GRuban (talk) 20:07, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

Austrian writer and feminist Helene Scheu-Riesz, photograph by Georg Fayer, Vienna, before 1939
Austrian writer and feminist Helene Scheu-Riesz, photograph by Georg Fayer, Vienna, before 1939
Austrian writer and feminist Helene Scheu-Riesz, photograph by Georg Fayer, Vienna, before 1939

You totally rock! I truly can't thank you enough for your help. SusunW (talk) 20:24, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

Thank you for reviewing my DYK nomination and providing such valuable feedback. I appreciate the time you took on this.

MaxnaCarta (talk) 06:46, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

Request

Hi George. I see you're a native Russian speaker. Could you please tell me if this Old Believers website is a RS?: https://ruvera.ru/

I came across the site recently while translating a Russian Wikipedia article that uses it as a source. It does appear to be reliable but I'd like an opinion from you. BorgQueen (talk) 19:30, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

More or less; I can read Russian as well as the next person, though I'm weaker at writing it. I'm also not much of a Russian Orthodox or Starover expert, with my religious background from an ... older tradition

. It certainly looks impressive, though, this is not a fly-by-night website, has lots of comments from impressive people on https://ruvera.ru/reviews. It really depends on what you want to use it for, of course: it says "Official Informational Resource" as a subtitle, but I think it's not official in the sense of being a church site. I think it's a secular site in support of the religion. The head of RuVera, Всемирный союз староверов «Русская вера» (Worldwide Union of Old Believers "Russian Faith") seems to be Leonid Mihailovich Sevastyanov, Леонид Михайлович Севастьянов, who describes himself as a businessman rather than a cleric, or a scholar, even though he is clearly Starover by ancestry and faith. Here is an interview with him. What's the actual use? --GRuban (talk) 20:08, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

It is used as one of the sources in the malahai article, which I had stumbled upon in Russian Wikipedia and then translated for DYK. The Russian Wikipedia article cites the website for the claim that the malahai was proscribed among Old Believers over religious reasons. BorgQueen (talk) 20:20, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

Ah. https://ruvera.ru/articles/shapochnyj_razbor That should be reliable, because it's not just the words of a religious businessman but of a scholar, namely Вячеслав Печняк, этнолог, ведущий методист ЦТНК СУ (г. Екатеринбург); Vyacheslav Pechnyak, ethnologist, leading methodologist of the Central Committee of the Russian Academy of Sciences (Yekaterinburg);

В. П.: «...А выемка, действительно, напоминает рога. В постановлениях поморских и федосеевских соборов есть прямое указание, что треухи и малахаи запрещены к ношению, потому что они напоминают силуэт беса. Если еще «уши» развяжешь, то это вообще рога, так что никаких рогатых уборов не носить! Внешние ассоциации иногда тоже играли роль».

"VP: "...And the notch, indeed, resembles horns. In the decrees of the Pomeranian and Fedoseyev councils, there is a direct indication that treukhi and malachai are forbidden to wear, because they resemble the silhouette of a demon. If you untie the "ears" more, then these are basically horns, so don't wear any horned headdresses! External associations sometimes also played a role."

I think we can trust the website to convey the scholar's words accurately, and he seems to be a fine source for historical views on haberdashery.

--GRuban (talk) 20:35, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

I'm relieved to hear that. Thank you so much for your detailed response! BorgQueen (talk) 20:36, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

Bertha McNeill

I've finished this one and just need photos. I have only been able to locate 2 images. 1 I think we can use, the other, I have asked RickinBaltimore for an assist. I am 99% sure that 1959 photo can be used, but as there are zero copies of it that aren't horrible, it will depend on if a decent copy can be found. The one I think we can use is this photo p. 6 Proof of publishing with no mark or photographer named. No mark on Masthead or Publishing notice. No listing in Periodicals for Journal-Every Evening, News-Journal Company, or Wilmington. If you concur, can it go in the info box as the lede photo? Thanks for your help. SusunW (talk) 17:46, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

I'm going to just upload the newspaper image. The WILPF image is noticeably better quality, but not ridiculously so, and it's not the same crop as the news image, and it was published in 2002. You could ask them if they could release their image, and maybe they'll agree, but until then the newspaper image is the one that was published without notice in 1948. --GRuban (talk) 18:10, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

Works for me. Thank you so much. SusunW (talk) 18:55, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

DYK for Laura Bergt

On 27 January 2023, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Laura Bergt, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Laura Bergt was said to have gained millions of acres of land for Native Alaskans by Eskimo-kissing Vice President Spiro Agnew (pictured)? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Laura Bergt. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Laura Bergt), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

-- RoySmith (talk) 00:02, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

		Hook update
		Your hook reached 25,293 views (1,053.9 per hour), making it one of the most viewed hooks of January 2023 – nice work!

GalliumBot (talk • contribs) (he/it) 03:28, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

I am positive this was because of the photo. Thank you so much for your skills and help with the women I work on. I appreciate you. SusunW (talk) 14:44, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

Cora Slocomb di Brazza

I am hoping that you can help me with photos on di Brazza. I have several and all are pre-1906, but the last 2 I am unsure of.

here p 128 published in Boston in 1904
here her and daughter in 1893
here in 1906. I'd also like the lacemakers and the house.
I think her father's photo is good, because Washburn died in 1903.

The two I am not sure of are:

This one of her mother. Try as I might, I cannot figure out where it might have come from.

More info, mom died in Vienna in 1917, so clearly it was taken before then. You'll note the obituary says she had been living in Italy with her daughter for some years. It looks like she got a visa to go to Switzerland in 1914 and it said she left in 1904, which jives with her selling property in late 1903. From the style of dress, it seems likely the photograph was taken in the 1880s. Look here at the style gallery for 1882 and after, as it lacks the more streamlined sportiness from 1890 on. I have searched everything I can think of to search and find nothing published until this in 2011. It seems likely it was 120+ years old when it was published in 2011. SusunW (talk) 22:25, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

This image of her peace flag seems iffy to me. It's from a button. Is that considered "published"?

Any help you can give to sort it out would be fabulous. Thanks! SusunW (talk) 23:32, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

First one, though it spells her name Slocumb and Savorgnau. Working ... --GRuban (talk) 00:43, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

I totally get it, been Susan more times than I can count. But, you'll see in her signature in the 2nd photo she knew how to spell her own name. LOL Thanks for your help on these. SusunW (talk) 14:17, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

Page 17
Cropped and heightened contrast
Do you want the signature separately? There's a field for it on many infoboxes...

Also started https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Cora_Slocomb_di_Brazza - which might need an accent on the last a, now that I think about it. I see the Italian Wikipedia article just calls her Cora Slocomb. --GRuban (talk) 15:05, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, yes, Ian and I had this discussion as well. The problem is that bloody WP:COMMONNAME rule. The majority of sources and there are 100s of newspaper clippings, call her "Countess di Brazza", no accent. I could not bring myself to erase her name, so, I opted for the name she wrote under, but without the accent. You'll note our article on her brother-in-law Pierre Savorgnan de Brazza also omits the accent. I'm happy to style it with or without the accent, but definitely want her given name, given. I love that you did the signature! SusunW (talk) 16:48, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

More:

Comtesse Di Brazza
Lace Makers in Italy
Italian Mother & Daughter Making Lace
American Woman Aids the Peasants of Italy
Cuthbert Harrison Slocomb
Cuthbert Harrison Slocomb
Mrs. Abigail Hannah Day Slocomb

@SusunW: I think I'm done. The images that you asked for are above, I think the button is also fine, printing an image on a button is no less publishing it than printing it on cardboard or canvas or newsprint. The image of the mother - eh. I'm going to stamp it with https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:PD-US-unpublished, second or third clause, made before 1903 and unpublished before 2003. It's hard to prove a negative (never published before 2003), of course, but you looked a lot and I looked a bit, and at worst we'll take it down. --GRuban (talk) 20:34, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Yay! Thank you so much. And, yes, that is what I was hoping you would conclude on the mom. Really hard to verify, but to the best of my ability, I cannot confirm it was ever published before 2011 and it seems really, really likely that she left the country around 1903. Thanks for explaining the button too, good to know. I appreciate you. SusunW (talk) 20:40, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Abby Day Slocomb

Okay, so I am back working on the mom. Can you get me the photo of the canon "Lady Slocomb" in front of New Orleans's Confederate Memorial Hall here on page 113, but without it being yellow? (The description on page 114 confirms it is the canon named after her.) SusunW (talk) 15:24, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

Maybe also can we have her 2 flag designs? Is there a way to make them in a single side-by-side image? SusunW (talk) 14:29, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

I've taken mom live. SusunW (talk) 17:43, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

Will do if you want, but how about a modern color photo? --GRuban (talk) 19:07, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Wow! I have no clue what magic it took to find that but way cool. I find it so ironic that a Quaker pacifist has a cannon named after her. Thank you so much. Can you do the flags in one - not up and down, but side by side? SusunW (talk) 19:18, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Two designs submitted for a state flag for Connecticut in 1895 by the Anna Warner Bailey chapter of the Groton and Stonington chapter of the Daughters of the American Revolution
Two designs submitted for a state flag for Connecticut in 1895 by the Anna Warner Bailey chapter of the Groton and Stonington chapter of the Daughters of the American Revolution
Slocomb Cannon in front of Confederate Memorial Hall Museum, Central Business District in New Orleans, Louisiana.

Both ways, and the cannon/museum cropped a bit. --GRuban (talk) 23:15, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! You're awesome. Really appreciate your help and finding the canon. I had no idea if it was still there. SusunW (talk) 04:57, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Erna P. Harris

While I'm here, I'm going to list this one too, which I hope to finish up tomorrow. I can't figure out which photo is best for the lede. I have:

1933 year book, pdf page 20, which is probably the way to go, because her signature was wearing a beret and she started that in university. There are no copyright marks and no photographer identified that I see. Checking the periodicals I do find "Parnassus" but not related to the yearbook. Similarly checking all three volumes of books [2],[3], and [4], I find nothing related to the yearbook.
1935 year book. I actually prefer the photo on pdf page 38 for the lede, but see above note. The photo of her on pdf p 28 (right side p 53) is often published and demonstrates her being the only Black person on the paper. These were made by Larson's Studio, i.e. William Larson (1889-1949) and are out of copyright. No marks in the book. Periodicals shows nothing related to the yearbook or Larson. None of the book volumes show anything related to the yearbook,[5],[6],[7], and the Art volume has "Larson", but not William.

Based on this, I am pretty sure that I can use any or all of these, but want to see if you concur and can upload them. You know I appreciate you and your magic. SusunW (talk) 00:31, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

I know I usually go GA first and then DYK, but in this case, it's Black History Month, so I nominated her for DYK and would like the photo before it runs. Sorry to be pushy, because I still want the Countess finished, but can you work your magic? SusunW (talk) 14:09, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

I'll get to it eventually, but I'm not fast. I am very proud that I can help you occasionally, but I'm not proud to be a bottleneck in your process. Honestly, you know how to do most of this stuff; if time is of the essence, maybe see if you can do it without me? --GRuban (talk) 18:52, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

I am so sorry. Truly. The only reason I asked was because I nominated it for DYK and that has a seven-day clock. Usually I don't have a time frame and I am more comfortable having you double-check my logic on photos, than uploading them myself. If you can do the others, when you get around to it is fine. SusunW (talk) 20:58, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

@SusunW: Done, in https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Erna_P._Harris - unfortunately the resolution on these isn't great, these aren't going to look good as large images (you can see that in the beret one at large size, above). --GRuban (talk) 16:37, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Maybe I overdid the contrast on this one, should I make a version that is generally lighter and greyer?

No worries. I am just happy to have images. I truly believe people are more likely to read an article if they can see who it is about. I appreciate you and your help. SusunW (talk) 16:44, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

February songs

Thanks to your efforts, I could give Muszely a new pic in my daily stories for all four days she has been on the Main page! Tomorrow, however, it will be a Bach cantata even if she remains ;) -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:44, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

yesterday's cantata, 300 years later --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:59, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

... and today the regional festival - DYK of 13 years ago ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:08, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

My story on 24 February is about Artemy Vedel (TFA by Amitchell235), and I made a suggestion for more peace, - what do you think? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:15, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

today: two women whose birthday we celebrate today, 99 and 90! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:37, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

DYK for Iszac Henig

On 14 February 2023, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Iszac Henig, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that trans man Iszac Henig alternated wins against trans woman Lia Thomas on the way to the 2022 NCAA Division I Women's Swimming Championship? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Iszac Henig. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Iszac Henig), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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DYK for Erna P. Harris

On 18 February 2023, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Erna P. Harris, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that African-American journalist Erna P. Harris (pictured) was called a "fearless critic" of the internment of Japanese Americans by the US government during World War II? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Erna P. Harris. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Erna P. Harris), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

BorgQueen (talk) 00:02, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

I have no doubt that the over 10K views was due to your photos. Thank you so much! SusunW (talk) 14:10, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

Gloria Cameron

This has been a really tough article to write. Don't know her birth name, her legal name is different than the name she became known as, lack of access to the black press, vilification of her during the scandal and then nothing, and I mean nothing from the end of the trial to when she published her book. People are truly shameful. That said, it's a difficult period for photos in the UK. I've worked on 3 other articles and we haven't found any that work. Mujinga literally went to Brixton and took photos of some of the buildings. Jamaica copyright was the same as UK until 1993 and since then is 95 years from publication. UK is of course 70, so I think our only hope is fair use, unless her son Chris is willing to help. I have found potentials: the best photo,performing (available from the WP library), this, and these videos (but I have no clue if or how that works). I'd love to have her performing as well, but think I can only do one fair use photo? Any help or advice you could give would be lovely. If you are too busy to work your magic, no worries. SusunW (talk) 14:37, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

Not forgotten, just slow with other issues. (Among other things, these married Israeli comic artists that finally started answering their email and just might be amenable to releasing a cartoon or two!) I agree that none of those are free images (in fact, those Vimeo videos are the first ones I've seen without a "more" link!). The wp:fair criteria are not quite "only one" they're "mininal"; basically you would have to justify each one, but here is a recent WP:GA with three: Bag End discussed in Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_190#Template:Did_you_know/Queue/4_2. So you probably can't get multiple images that just show what she looked like, but might be able to have images that each show a different irreplaceable feature. Did you email her son, or do you want me to? --GRuban (talk) 23:00, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

I didn't e-mail Chris because if he asked questions I'd be back at your door and I have visitors coming for a week on Thursday, so I didn't want to ask and then not be able to reply. (Obviously, my timeline means I am not in a huge hurry for you to get around to it.

) If you are willing to ask him, that would be lovely. I would like to have a lede photo and a performance one, if that is possible. I appreciate your looking at it and any help you can give. Cool that you might get the comics. I genuinely believe images are a huge asset for articles, even if I am not always good with them. SusunW (talk) 23:08, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

After much back and forth, they said they wouldn't release any of their actual artwork, but did release lots of photos of themselves, and said "But you can select photos where you see the illustrations behind us maybe :)" I'll take what I can get! Maya and Yehuda Devir --GRuban (talk) 13:46, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

I am always happy when we find any photos. I'm glad they finally agreed to release some. It's a good idea to pick the ones with the illustrations from their comic books. You have a magic touch with getting people to send you photos. SusunW (talk) 14:15, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

I love, love, love the photo on the DYK nomination for Maya and Yehuda! SusunW (talk) 14:58, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Enrichetta Chiaraviglio-Giolitti

I am frustrated and need help. Many of the Italian archive websites seem to be blocked to me. For text, I can open the cached version and put in the "quote" of a ref cite the pertinent bits, but I cant save it in wayback and I cannot do that for photos. So, I found two photos already on WP (see the article), but I would prefer other ones. The link doesn't work at all, but wayback has p 8 and p 9 Rather than separate photos of she and her parents, I'd like D011377 (1895) on page 8 and D011385 (1909) the one with her children page 9. The photographer is Matio Nunes Vais (1856-1932). (I tried to search Instituto Centrale per il Catalogo e la Documentazione and though there are 6 different links to the site, I cannot access any of them to see if there are others.) There is a lovely photo of her here, but although I am sure it dates to 1895-1900, I can't prove it. Any help you can give would be greatly appreciated. If you are too busy, no worries. SusunW (talk) 18:17, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

Italian philanthropist and activist Enrichetta Giolitti Chiaraviglio and her children
Left to right: Italian philanthropist and activist Enrichetta Giolitti Chiaraviglio, mother Rosa Giolitti Sobrero and husband Mario Chiaraviglio

I'm playing slightly fast and loose here; just slightly. The ICCD pages say that the photograph dates are 1909 and 1895, but they don't clarify whether these are dates of publication or just dates taken. For Italy, it doesn't matter, since Vais died in 1932, which is more than 70 years ago, they're public domain in Italy. Technically, for US copyright, we'd need to show they were published before 1928, in theory they could be copyright in the US even though they're Italian photographs in every way, and they're public domain in Italy; it's a really weird law. So I'm going to be assuming that those dates are also dates of publication; that's my story and I'm sticking to it! We have a whole category full of similar photos by Vais, https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Photographs_by_Mario_Nunes_Vais, 1,236 files which would probably face similar issues if it came to that, so these are probably safe. --GRuban (talk) 21:03, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you so much! I really appreciate the help. Would that I had a photo for the lede, but I am happy to have photos at all. I had a similar discussion here yesterday. I thought we should use the US tag {{PD-US-unpublished}} because we had no proof of publication. In this particular case, I also think it could use {{PD-1996}}, using the 20 year rule for Italy. It's all so bloody complicated. I appreciate your help. SusunW (talk) 14:27, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

Unpublished could also work, if someone objects. I don't think the 20 year rule applies, this isn't a "simple" photograph, it's clearly posed, artistic, etc. But maybe. You are now quite possibly better at this than I am! --GRuban (talk) 15:07, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

Only in your head

, in mine I am full of doubt. SusunW (talk) 15:24, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

Heh. Some years ago, my wife and I were learning to snowboard. Now, she is much, much more graceful than I am, had experience skiing which I didn't, had better vision and balance, all that. I, on the other hand, just accepted that I was going to fall down, a lot - which I did. For most of the beginning and intermediate slopes, she was much, much better at getting down, often she would get down in half the time and wait for me at the bottom. Then we accidentally took the wrong ski lift and ended up on a steep black diamond slope. She was terrified, because she couldn't handle this level, and took it very slowly and carefully. For me, though, it was no more difficult than an intermediate slope - I fell down roughly as often - so this time I was the one waiting for her.

--GRuban (talk) 15:50, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

Love that! SusunW (talk) 15:53, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

March stories

The woman I'm now interested in (as she was a red link on her husband's page): Johanna Geisler, - any chance for an image. There's one in a role, but unclear which (trouser's role, looking like Rosenkavalier but that's a mezzo role, not mentioned in online sources, and I have no access to the others, and I wouldn't know one soprano), and another. Completely different question: do you know why User:Vejvančický/Archive 21 shows the yogo not in the current version, but - I guess - the one before? Could that be avoided by giving the one before a different name? ... or how? -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:53, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

Now found this of Johanna G. or K.! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:57, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: There is actually a possibility here, but you'll have to help me. It looks like most information about Johanna Geisler comes from https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Die_Personalakten_der_Johanna_Geisler which is a book that was published in 1983, but according to what I can make of our DE article was based on an earlier book published in 1903 or so. Personalakten is available online at the Internet Archive here, https://archive.org/details/diepersonalakten0000unse/page/74/mode/2up - you can sign in and "borrow" it for an hour at a time. Can you please flip through it, and find two things:

a statement who wrote the 1903 book, and
good images from the 1983 book that say "these come from that 1903 book".

If so, and if we can show that the author of the 1903 book is either anonymous or died more than 70 years ago (so 1952 or earlier), then those images will be public domain in both Germany and the US, and we'll be able to use them. I'd do it myself, but I can't read German. Now User:SusunW would not let that stop her, and she would copy and paste or even retype likely passages into an automatic translator, but I don't have that kind of strength! For someone who is a native German speaker, though, I hope it should be reasonable easy to skim through the pages to find that information. --GRuban (talk) 16:47, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

Kusma taught me a trick. Get your cell phone, pull up google translate. On the bottom should be an icon to use your camera. Point the phone at the book and take a picture. Voilà! it will translate. Saves me so much time from having to retype books to see what they say. But that said, searching in a language in which you do not speak is much harder. SusunW (talk) 17:08, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

I'd be surprised about 1903, because the book covers her life until 1919, and was written by her daughter who was born in 1923. Thanks for looking into it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:21, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

See, that's why I need a native German speaker to read the book! The DE article in auto translate says: "The 142-page book Die Personalakten der Johanna Geisler, which was published in 1983 by Fischer Taschenbuch Verlag, is based, among other things, on the document Personal-Akten concerning the choir singer Frl. Geisler from the archive of the Staatstheater Wiesbaden. The document had survived eighty years ..." which is where I'm getting 1903 from. That's what I'm referring to. Personal-Akten betreffend die Chorsängerin Frl. Geisler is probably public domain, and if that's where the photos are from, they probably are too. Can you read Die Personalakten der Johanna Geisler and check if that is correct? --GRuban (talk) 20:03, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

Without reading it I can tell you that Personalakte is what your employer has about you (whatever these documents may be called in English), and that's what Lotte Klemperer, the subject's daughter, had from the theatres where she worked, beginning in 1903: Hannover, Dessau, Wiesbaden, and Cologne until 1919, performances, salaries, such things. The book however, is still from 1983. But what about an image such as the one mentioned last, showing her in 1918? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:32, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

Ehhh... it's a great photo, but I can't be sure it's public domain, partly because I can't see the whole book. So the way it works from my reading of https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Copyright_rules_by_territory/Germany is

if we don't know and can't reasonably find out the author/photographer, and it wasn't published for 70 years (so before 1988) then it is public domain now, both in Germany and in the US per https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:PD-1996
if it was published any time before 1928 without a known photographer then it is also public domain in Germany and the US
if we know the author/photographer, and if that photographer died 70 years ago, again before 1953, then it is public domain in Germany and possibly in the US - it's complicated.

There are other possibilities, but if, for example, we know the photographer who didn't die before 1953, then it's not public domain. Since it's a 1918 photograph, it's quite possible the photographer lived another 35 years. I can't see the whole book in the Google Books preview, but it seems to have a very nice index citing its sources; there's also a list of illustrations, but I can't see that, any chance it says where that photograph came from, who took it?

Meanwhile, I found this photograph of her which is on a postcard, so it's clearly published, not someone's personal photograph, and since it's from the Coln/Cologne opera, it's from 1927 or before: https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/opera-johanna-geisler-original-vintage-photo However, it's clearly marked PHOT: E. HIRSCHBERG. I searched and searched, but could not find an E. Hirschberg German Photographer from Coln. If you can find them, and if they died before 1953, that would be public domain, in US because before 1928 and in Germany because 70 years after death. --GRuban (talk) 23:49, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! If you don't find someone, how would I? - Thank you today for the wonderful pictured Kae Miller! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:29, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

Because you can search in German, and I'm guessing you often do. If you are logged in when you search, your search engine knows where you are physically, and what sorts of results you usually click on, and will prioritize similar results higher. (Or at least Google definitely does this; I can be sure of this because I used to work there, and they explained this to us.) When I search for "E. Hirschberg, photographer" I get Americans higher, because I'm in the US, and I search for US things often. I don't know where you are, but if you were in Germany, and/or often searched for German results, you would get German photographers higher. Also you would recognize synonyms - I know Cologne is the same as Koln, but until I saw that photograph, I didn't realize it could also be spelled Coln. In fact, is that even true? Is Coln in that photo the same as the city where she sang opera, or is it something else? But maybe there just isn't any information on the Internet, maybe Hirschberg wasn't a particularly famous photographer, and it has been over 100 years since. --GRuban (talk) 14:08, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

Understood, thank you. First find: he supplied work, as many others, to a year book of the Cologne theatre 1922. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:25, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

Getting better: she did so, Elly Hirschberg. Sadly no life date, just "ran a photo studio in Cologne at the beginning of the 20th century". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:29, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

Another work by her, pianist, 1920 - I found a Stolperstein for a Elly Hirschberg, born in 1885, but Berlin-Moabit, and no mentioning of Cologne or photographer. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:35, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

So sad: I fear this is the one, remembered by her daughter, died in 1933. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:38, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

Gerda, you are a natural at this! Uploaded. --GRuban (talk) 19:20, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. Perhaps Tim riley, knowing the Cologne repertoire at the time when Klemperer worked there, can help with a clue of opera and a more precise year. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:47, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

Looking at the above, I'd look at 1922 first because of the mentioned yearbook. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:53, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

I still have the question about a pic appearing differently from the current version in archives. Would it help to make any edit to such an archive to refresh it? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:16, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Actually, in the archive linked above, it seems fixed. Nevermind, I'll only bring it up if it comes again. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:19, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

But new request: the only image we have of Aladár Tóth shows two people, - any chance to separate them? The description which gives me no clue but the fact that two anniversaries were celebrated. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:46, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

sharing impressions from vacation on Madeira 20-30 March, pics now at 24 Mar from the peaks --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:10, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

DYK for Kae Miller

On 11 March 2023, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Kae Miller, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the support of conservationist Kae Miller (pictured) for people recovering from mental illnesses resulted in the establishment of Te Rae Kaihau Park in Wellington, New Zealand? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Kae Miller. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Kae Miller), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

BorgQueen (talk) 00:02, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

World War II and the history of Jews in Poland: Arbitration case opened

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Irma Szirmai

This one can wait until after you do Abby Day Slocomb above, but I am pretty confused about whether the photo can go on commons or not. this photo was published in this book in Hungary in 1913 (you should have the passwords to Alexander Street Press to access p 31) All the photos in that book were taken by Olga Máté (1878 – 1961) and from 1884,p 12 Hungary's copyright term was 50 years (70 since 1995), thus it wouldn't have been out of copyright by 1996 in Hungary. But according to the US chart, because it was published abroad in 1913 it is in the public domain and doesn't meet the exception "published in a language other than English" because the book was published in Hungarian, English, French, and German? Or is it saying it does meet the exception because it had languages other than English and isn't in the PD until 120 years have passed, i.e. 2033. Any help you can give would be beneficial as I have no clue. SusunW (talk) 17:38, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Update, I'm having trouble accessing Alexander Street Press through the password, but I could access it from the Wikipedia Library bundle. Don't have a clue if that's a Mexico thing or site-wide. SusunW (talk) 14:17, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

The US thing is secondary; for what it's worth, I believe the photos would be PD in the US because they were published before 1928. However, we require them to be PD both in the US and in the source country, and they're not PD in Hungary until 1961 + 70 + 1 = 2032; they never left copyright even during the 50 years after death term. Sorry. --GRuban (talk) 00:25, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. It's so bloody complicated. I'm going to load it as fair use. SusunW (talk) 18:50, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

DYK for Helene Scheu-Riesz

On 20 March 2023, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Helene Scheu-Riesz, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Helene Scheu-Riesz created the first German translation of Alice Through the Looking-Glass but struggled with Lewis Carroll's made-up words? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Helene Scheu-Riesz. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Helene Scheu-Riesz), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

BorgQueen (talk) 12:03, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

DYK for Cora Slocomb di Brazza

On 22 March 2023, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Cora Slocomb di Brazza, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Cora Slocomb di Brazza designed the peace flag adopted by the International Council of Women, and her mother Abby Day Slocomb designed the Connecticut state flag? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Cora Slocomb di Brazza. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Cora Slocomb di Brazza), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Aoidh (talk) 12:02, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

DYK for Abby Day Slocomb

On 22 March 2023, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Abby Day Slocomb, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Cora Slocomb di Brazza designed the peace flag adopted by the International Council of Women, and her mother Abby Day Slocomb designed the Connecticut state flag? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Cora Slocomb di Brazza. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Abby Day Slocomb), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Aoidh (talk) 12:03, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

DYK for Bertha McNeill

On 26 March 2023, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Bertha McNeill, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Bertha McNeill challenged policies of the Women's International League for Peace and Freedom that excluded Black women from full membership in the organization? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Bertha McNeill. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Bertha McNeill), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Aoidh (talk) 00:02, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

April songs

my story today

Thank you for "her"! - My story today is about the Alchymic Quartet, the last DYK from last year, - thank you for the image crop, - I don't understand why it wasn't taken. - The songs are about vacation. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:33, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

I loved to see Marian Anderson and her story of protest against discrimination by singing on Easter Sunday 9 April 1939 on the Main page yesterday. - One more day of vacation pictured, including getting wet. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:16, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

My story today, Messiah (Handel), was my first dip into the FA ocean, thanks to great colleagues. - a few pics added, one day missing --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:02, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

I added, finally ;) - today's stories are about Johanna Geisler and Huub Oosterhuis, a singer and a songwriter. More here if you have time, including your praises. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:38, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

Today is the 80th birthday of John Eliot Gardiner. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:02, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

Anita Dobelli

Okay, so weird situation. Dobelli disappears from the record after 1931, so I have absolutely no clue when she died. I have been working with Maria Grazia Suriano to put together Dobelli's biography and we're close to being able to publish. No photos of her have been found, but I did find this (her translation of Upton Sinclair's The Brass Check, 1926 ed) and this (her translation of E. D. Morel's The Black Man's Burden, 1923 ed). I am kinda confused because we don't know when she died, but I also think there is something about a cover of a book being okay if there isn't any illustration? Does the signature on the Morel book cause a problem? Any help you can give would be appreciated. SusunW (talk) 19:19, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Sorry for taking so long, various personal issues restrict the amount of time I can do Wiki stuff. Let me look. --GRuban (talk) 19:08, 8 April 2023 (UTC)

Okay, maybe I have a "usable" photo of her? No clue its source, no idea how to extract an image from a video, and as we don't know if she died (born 1865, so likely

) can we use the image at 32:18 as fair use? SusunW (talk) 15:31, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

But, but, that's a video of a webpage! Can't we find the web page? In either case, we can certainly do fair use, but the web page itself would be so much better. --GRuban (talk) 19:08, 8 April 2023 (UTC)

Ah, I see, it's a PowerPoint presentation, so it's not guaranteed to be online. Still, it seems somewhat likely, and it would be much better to get directly from there than from a screenshot. I'll search. --GRuban (talk) 19:11, 8 April 2023 (UTC)

You're the best. You know the technology defeats me. I was about to take it live when I discovered the link and realized there was an image, but since I don't speak Italian, whatever is in the video is beyond me. I noted that the video uses images of the books too, but I had already found those, but still don't know about using them because of her "most probably, very likely but unprovable" death status. SusunW (talk) 19:25, 8 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for her photo. I am still unsure about the books and when you have time would like you to give me your thoughts on them. Obviously no rush, more for my own education. I appreciate you. SusunW (talk) 14:33, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

@SusunW: So, finally got to this; between being busy with real life and these being more complex issues than they may at first appear. The license on the text-only book covers you're presumably looking for is https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:PD-text - basically non-artistic text isn't copyrightable, and a few simple words and names generally aren't sufficiently artistic. Unfortunately each of those book covers have a non-text image on them, the logo of the publishing house. The first one is a logo of Corbaccio, Milan publishing house, which is probably the one we have an IT article about https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corbaccio - it's only probably, because it is not the raven logo mentioned in that article, so there is a tiny chance it's a different Corbaccio Milan publishing house, but I doubt it. Now our IT article says the logo was designed by Mario Bazzi, https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mario_Bazzi who that article says lived until 1954. So that raven logo will be copyrighted for 70 years after that or 2024; that EC isn't that logo, but I couldn't find information about it. The signature on the second book (is that Dobelli's signature? I can't decipher it!) probably isn't a problem due to https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:PD-signature; Italy isn't one of the countries listed under https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:When_to_use_the_PD-signature_tag one way or the other, but it does look like most countries will accept standard signatures as PD, so I'd be willing to risk it. However, that second book has a logo of Casa Editrice La Rassegna Internazionale, which I haven't found details on, but it looks like they only published in the 1920s - I have found multiple books by them from that decade but not otherwise. Now for this second case, we can try to claim that the logo is an anonymous work; after all, the publishing house is no longer in existence, and there don't seem to be indepth studies about its history so there is an excellent chance no one knows the artist. If so, then the Italy copyright would have lapsed 70 years after publication, which is fine, and the US copyright on it would also be fine since it was published before 1928. I'm not comfortable doing that with the first case because the Corbaccio publishing house is still in existence (here is their web site! https://www.corbaccio.it/), and there is a reasonable chance that if we merely asked them persistently enough (and in Italian!) they could dig through their records and tell us the author of that EC logo, and it might very well also have been Mario Bazzi. But even on that second book it's taking a slight chance; in practicality, there is very likely no owner of that logo, but in theory, there just might be, so the chance we're taking isn't that the real owner will complain, but that a legalistic editor will complain. So - as Dirty Harry once said - do you feel lucky?

There is also the image editing solution: since the logos are relatively small on both book covers, I could just blur or paint over them in the images. Then it would take more than a simply legalistic editor (of which there are a few), it would take an insanely legalistic editor (of the kind we might not actually have any of). Please see this image of the Obama campaign poster that I uploaded a few years ago for the article Si se puede. It had the Obama sunrise image in the middle, and it was found by a ... conscientious, diligent, well meaning, etcetera ... editor of the kind I mention, who kindly, politely, but firmly objected until I painted it over with the background color. So presumably that solution would also be acceptable even to those, and the book cover images would look something like this image I show here, except since the logos are smaller, there would be an even less obvious gap. Your option, madame. --GRuban (talk) 20:23, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

Wow. I knew I needed to ask and now I have to ponder. But, today is my birthday and I am off to a celebration, so I'll get back. SusunW (talk) 20:41, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

You see why I ask you. All of this makes my head swim, but that said, I'd rather not infringe on someone's creative rights. So pondering all of this, let's not do the Corbaccio book, as it might be an issue, and they are still in business. I have no clue whose signature is on the book, but if you think that isn't an issue, let's do the Casa Editrice La Rassegna Internazionale one without their logo? I truly, truly appreciate your help. SusunW (talk) 15:05, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

@SusunW: Actually, if you're OK with removing the logo, I think we can probably do the Corbaccio book as well. After all, the rest is just text. Now the La Rassegna book does have a prominent signature; if you thought it was actually Dobelli's signature, that would be ideal, but if you think it isn't hers, we should probably see if we can find one without it, not for copyright purposes, but not to confuse the issue. I looked a bit, and found a couple of images of the book without a signature, which also have their problems:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/295194633155 - really bad condition book, but the text is clear
https://www.ebay.es/itm/380887107027 (also on https://www.cacciatoredilibri.com/davvero-non-si-puo-piu-scrivere-la-parola-nexxo-nei-titoli-dei-libri/) - better condition of the book but diagonally turned away for some reason

would you like one of those instead? --GRuban (talk) 14:01, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

I don't like the one that is tilted, but rather kind of think the bruised and battered one was well used and loved. It would be my preference. SusunW (talk) 14:08, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

You can see the smudges where I removed the logos if you look for them, but I think they're OK otherwise. That first one was really dark, so I brightened it a bit. Maybe I didn't pick the right point between legibility and authenticity; I can return to a darker version or go even brighter. --GRuban (talk) 15:54, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Very much appreciate your help and your magic. SusunW (talk) 17:14, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

Maya and Yehuda Devir

Hi! I've promoted that hook about the cute couple to Template:Did you know/Preparation area 5. I've amended it just a little: international to more precise Lithuanian. And de-linked followers and Instagram. I think most people know what they are nowadays. We don't even usually link TikTok or Facebook on DYK, lol. Nice article btw! BorgQueen (talk) 06:10, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

Honestly, I don't think most readers of Bored Panda even know it's Lithuanian... but if you're giving the picture slot, I shall not complain! Thank you! --GRuban (talk) 12:15, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

I didn't know that either! Lol. BorgQueen (talk) 12:46, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

Margarita Benítez

I know, I know, you're still working on Dobelli, but I think this one is okay, maybe, if Puerto Rico falls under US copyright. As a commonwealth, that seems likely, but I don't know for sure and am hoping you do. I found this photo of her and her dad in 1970. El Mundo went defunct in the 1990s and I see no photographer name. There is no notice on the masthead or publishing data page 2. There also isn't anything for El Mundo in the Periodicals registry for 1970. So, are we good? SusunW (talk) 20:14, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

You're the best! Thank you so much! SusunW (talk) 21:30, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

Hang on, I think we can use the other one as well. Sorry, as you wrote elsewhere, I'm a bit pressed for Wikipedia stuff just now, you'll see several people are waiting on me to do stuff... --GRuban (talk) 21:35, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

No worries. I get that you are busy and all the more reason to appreciate your efforts. I truly am grateful for your help. SusunW (talk) 22:09, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

New Page Patrol – May 2023 Backlog Drive

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Alice Walton image

Hi there! In case you missed it, I wanted to let you know I uploaded the Alice Walton photo. It's linked in our discussion here. Thanks Kt2011 (Talk · COI:Walton family) 18:38, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

DYK for Maya and Yehuda Devir

On 26 April 2023, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Maya and Yehuda Devir, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that after being featured on a Lithuanian website, Maya and Yehuda Devir (both pictured) got so many followers that they thought Instagram had broken? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Maya and Yehuda Devir. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Maya and Yehuda Devir), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Aoidh (talk) 12:02, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

		Hook update
		Your hook reached 21,119 views (1,759.9 per hour), making it one of the most viewed hooks of April 2023 – nice work!

GalliumBot (talk • contribs) (he/it) 03:27, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Congratulations! BorgQueen (talk) 12:24, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

According to Wikipedia:Did you know/Statistics/Monthly DYK pageview leaders/2023/April, it got the second-highest number of hourly pageview in April. Worth the trouble, wasn't it? BorgQueen (talk) 10:25, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

@BorgQueen: Thank you. Couldn't have done it without you (or someone; I think you, right?) choosing to run it in the image slot. How does that work, by the way, who chooses which item gets the image slot and how? --GRuban (talk) 13:26, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

Yes, that was me. As for your second question, we really have no exact system for that. Kinda like, if you're lucky your hook image will get picked up by one of us. Lol. BorgQueen (talk) 13:29, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

Request for image of William Marks Simpson

Greetings! This is to request your assistance to add the image for the article of William Marks Simpson. One image is found at the Archives of government of New Zealand, which is given as one of the references in the article. I am not sure about the copy right issues related with this image. Kindly help. Thank you for your valuable time and assistance. With thanks and regards, Thirukannan (talk) 14:09, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

@Thirukannan: Wow, that's a very promising web site, I don't think I've seen it before. The key point is https://www.archives.govt.nz/copyright "In cases where we have already published archival material on the archives.govt.nz website or have made it digitally available on Collections search, it is covered by a Creative Commons BY 2.0 license, unless otherwise stated." That seems very generous! Basically anything they have on the website is CC BY 2.0? Seems too good to be true, at first glance, honestly. Normally finding free images is an effort.

But looking into it further, I see two images, https://www.archives.govt.nz/images/william-marks-simpson and https://www.archives.govt.nz/images/wm-william-marks-simpson-fellow-of-the-american-academy-rome, both pencil drawings by Duncan McPhee, dated 1943-1944. I didn't know who Duncan McPhee was (not our Duncan McPhee, probably), but he seems to be a prolific (over 200 images) New Zealand war artist from this link. If so, then those drawings might even be public domain under https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:PD-New_Zealand as a "Crown Copyright work dated 1944 or earlier", but in any case it is reasonable to suppose that since he worked for the New Zealand government, and this is a New Zealand government web site, then if they say it's released under CC BY 2.0, then it is. So in short, yes, I think we can probably use both of those images. Please do upload them to Wikimedia Commons, and include that statement from that web site's copyright link, or I can do it if you prefer. And I'll be looking at that site for further images we can use - it might be a gold mine! --GRuban (talk) 15:25, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

Thank you so much for your tireless efforts. It is a great learning experience for me. Please upload and add it to the article.

With thanks and regards, Thirukannan (talk) 15:37, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

rotated, cropped, brightened
rotated, cropped, brightened

Will also add (one of each) to article, here just for comparison. --GRuban (talk) 00:38, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

Helmi Üprus

I seem to recall from one of the articles you helped me on in the past that during the Soviet period, photographs were not copyright protected, but I may be remembering wrong, and have no clue if that applies to Estonia. There are a lot of great pictures of her in newspapers and in this film, but I don't know if we can use any of them given that she lived between 1911-1978. Should I just go for a fair use image? SusunW (talk) 20:20, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Short answer, probably should go for fair use. Longer answer: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Copyright_rules_by_territory/Estonia and https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Copyright_rules_by_territory/Soviet_Union strongly imply that Estonia doesn't consider itself bound by Soviet laws (though it would be better if they said so straight out). I'm not sure what "photographs were not coppyright protected" refers to, but the second link there says "Note: There was a discussion whether pre-1973 works from the Soviet Union are copyright-free, originating in the period of uncertainty after the dissolution of the Soviet Union. It was concluded that this theory is incorrect; see discussions in Template talk:PD-Soviet." so maybe that is what was involved, maybe we were referring to an earlier version of the page at the time. International copyright law is hard! Now, there is a slight chance there could be a Russian film of her before 1953, which could be PD per https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Copyright_rules_by_territory/Russia/en; but it's not guaranteed there are any (from your article it looks like she's mostly known in Estonia - the film you link to seems Estonian) and we'd need to see if it would also be PD in the US ... again, short answer again, may be most fruitful to go for fair use. --GRuban (talk) 13:45, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! That's what I'll do. I appreciate you. SusunW (talk) 14:21, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Except I'm back. This image on the first page is good, but she's looking down and you can't see her eyes. This image on p 18 is probably the best image, but it's sort of gimmicky. Then, I found This which seems to be "open data". What does this mean? I can't figure out if it is copyrighted or not, but it's the best image I found which actually shows her eyes, isn't a profile and looks professional. SusunW (talk) 15:05, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

I know you've been crazy busy, but if you can make time to look at this, I'd really appreciate your help. SusunW (talk) 16:53, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

Actually, I was just about to write you and admit I'd lost track of the various things I've been asked to do! Thank you, will look. --GRuban (talk) 16:59, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

OK, let's detail and number them, since we can probably only upload one, and not to my talk page.

So, I think #3 is not free. The "open data" description seems to translate to "If it's not copyrighted, it's CC0, public domain, while if it is copyrighted then it's restricted use, ask," which ... isn't very useful. So all 3 would have to be fair use, and probably only one, since it's hard to argue they do anything except show what she looked like, and she's not a model or something, so different looks aren't that crucial. I'm torn. Normally I would go with #2, the "gimmicky" sailor suit, as she looks young and happy in it, and I have nothing against gimmicks - some of my favorite articles are very gimmicky. (Cthulhu for President, Utah & Ether, Chaz Stevens, Maya and Yehuda Devir could all be justly classified as ... light reading, let's say!) However, from your article, she's not sailor or an actress or a model, she's a historian, and seemingly a serious one, so we should probably portray her as a serious historian, as in #1 or #3. #1 is with Villem Raam, and #3 is with Leonhard Lapin, both of whom are Estonian historians that we have articles on. In #1 she's doing more "historian things", looking at artwork, while in #3 she's just standing there, but #3 seems a slightly better photograph, since she looking at the camera, and our Lapin article is longer than our Raam article, so I think probably #3 would be marginally best. Agree? --GRuban (talk) 20:12, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

Absolutely. That was basically my reasoning, 3 is probably best. I just couldn't figure out how to load it. Thank you for looking at it. I appreciate you. Can you load it? I'm sitting in a doctor's waiting room. SusunW (talk) 20:48, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

Never mind, I can do it today. No more appointments until Monday, sigh. SusunW (talk) 14:06, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

Ack! I was just uploading that one. It's at File:Helmi Üprus Eesti Kunstimuuseum.jpg and cropped to only her, since we have a limited number of images and he isn't really a big part of her article. Your call. --GRuban (talk) 14:26, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

I like yours. Can you make the one with both of them go away? I have no clue how to nominate an article/photo for deletion and don't want to know. SusunW (talk) 15:02, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

Excellent close

Needs your four tildes to be complete. Thanks for doing the reading and taking it on. Sorry for my nitpick, but somebody else will say it soon. BusterD (talk) 00:13, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Ack!

DoneThough I admit, the temptation to sign "Newyorkbrad" almost got me...--GRuban (talk) 01:42, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for taking it on! Valereee (talk) 10:11, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Aww, you're welcome. For what it's worth, they're talking about Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#RfC on draftifying a subset of mass-created Olympian microstubs, a rather large and somewhat risky WP:RFC that I thought I could close. --GRuban (talk) 15:59, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Note that I brought it for review at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard#Close_review_for_Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)#RfC_on_draftifying_a_subset_of_mass-created_Olympian_microstubs. BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:41, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
- @BeanieFan11: Migawd that's a beautiful objection. I disagree with it, and stand by my close, but if it convinces people to overturn the close once again, I couldn't wish for a better way for it to happen! --GRuban (talk) 23:48, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
  If for no other reason than that I am completely sick of watching this train wreck and just want it to eventually end, thank you for not reverting your close. Valereee (talk) 12:34, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

DYK for Ky Schevers

On 14 May 2023, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Ky Schevers, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that transgender activist Ky Schevers transitioned to male, detransitioned to female, then retransitioned as transmasculine and genderqueer? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Ky Schevers. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Ky Schevers), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

— Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

		Hook update
		Your hook reached 15,530 views (647.1 per hour), making it one of the most viewed hooks of May 2023 – nice work!

GalliumBot (talk • contribs) (he/it) 03:27, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

May thanks

May songs
my story today

Thank you for improving that article and others in May, and all the image help. - I had a good story on coronation day: the Te Deum we sang that day. And the following day we sang it for the composer ;) - I took some pics of bright scenery - click on songs. -- (ad then forgot to sign)

File:Cathinka Buchwieser 1813.tif - is there a chance to get rid of the line on the left? - I like the contemporary writing, compared to File:Cathinka Buchwieser 1813.jpg. She is on the Main page, born OTD. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:15, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Done, though a week late. There were even tiny black corners on the right, and I think I got them as well. Normally when I make changes to an image, I make an alternate version, but I'm betting no one really wanted the black line and corners, so I just overwrote the original, hopefully there won't be complaints. --GRuban (talk) 17:01, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

Pentecost was full of music, - sorry that I didn't get to pics for the mezzo. I thank you for making them available, and a great choice! - my story today is that 300 years ago today, Bach became Thomaskantor, with BWV 75, writing music history. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:47, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

Your latest close-review post

I fear you may have accidentally omitted a word or two in your comment re partially striking an earlier comment. XAM2175 ^(T) 12:40, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks - clearer? --GRuban (talk) 13:12, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Yes, that's resolved it. Cheers. XAM2175 ^(T) 13:18, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Rebecca Primus / Addie Brown

This one is very, very confusing to me, so I'll just lay out my stuff. These two women wrote letters between 1859 and 1868. Primus died February 21, 1932 and Brown died January 11, 1870. The Connecticut Historical Society acquired their correspondence in 1934. From the 1990s, the letters were transcribed and published in various books, sometimes with images of the letters themselves, sometimes not. As far as I can tell, then, first publication occurred in the 1990s, or does the fact that the Connecticut Historical Society took them into a public collection count? The letters are here. While I have found other images for Rebecca's article, I am having trouble locating any for Brown's. I can't figure out if I can use her letters as obviously she has been dead for 153 years, or if I cannot, since they were apparently first published prior to 2006. Can you help? SusunW (talk) 17:42, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

I tried unsuccessfully to find images for John H. Jackson's saloon at 824 Broadway, NYC or his home at 68 Sullivan, Greenwich Village. Also couldn't find anything about Smith's Dye House. I don't like the modern photos of Miss Porter's School, so I am trying to find something more like this one, but which was published in the period. (The Library of Congress on on Commons has cars in it, which I think is inappropriate for this time period.) SusunW (talk) 18:26, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

Possibly this? We know the collection wasn't digitized or published before 2017 per this, but not details about the specific photo. Still looking, maybe newspapers or Hathitrust... Adam Cuerden is willing to help upload items per his note on Ian's page. I can't find any evidence that that image was previously published. None that I can find on newspapers.com or Hathitrust. I did find one image in Farmington, Connecticut, The Village of Beautiful Homes published in 1906, but it shows the rear of the building and laundry. SusunW (talk) 18:54, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

if in doubt about US copyright, check commons:Commons:Hirtle_chart. In this case, under "unpublished works" it reads: "Known author with a known date of death: 70 years after the death of author." and gives the tag to use. Since publication not under the aegis of the rights holder doesn't count, (commons:Commons:Publication#United_States), we can treat these as unpublished (and, per [8], the Connecticut Historical Society isn't claiming to be a rights holder - they list it as "No Known Copyright"]. Add a PD-Scan wraparound for the historical society. So {{PD-Scan|PD-old-70}} Adam Cuerden ^(talk)_{Has about 8.4% of all FPs.} 21:00, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you Adam Cuerden. The copyright thing makes my head swim, plus right now my real life is insane. So, can you do a letter from each of them for their respective articles? Perhaps Primus' poem? On Brown, all of them seem to be really, really long, but a signature page would be good. What do you think about the Sarah Porter Archive image of her school? SusunW (talk) 21:10, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

I'll need to figure out how to extract an image from a PDF, but it's good. Adam Cuerden ^(talk)_{Has about 8.4% of all FPs.} 21:17, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. The technology part is out of my realm as well. I am so glad I know people on here who have skills that complement mine. I appreciate your offer to help. SusunW (talk) 21:25, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

@SusunW: Let's look at our options. This is Addie Brown to Primus:

https://collections.ctdigitalarchive.org/islandora/object/40002:193430139a

"My dearest sister, / They say seek and ye shall find / is that true no more this time? / Your darling little sister Addie / or bad egg" - charming, but a bit low-context.

https://collections.ctdigitalarchive.org/islandora/object/40002:19343068ab - A rather long, but beautiful poem. Signature is quite a bit later.

Was there one you were eyeing? There's a lot of correspondance to look through, so I'm not sure which poem you mean by Primus. Adam Cuerden ^(talk)_{Has about 8.4% of all FPs.} 14:35, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

Adam Cuerden So hard to choose because Brown's letters are truly fascinating, but let's see if I can winnow it down to a short list. Then you can choose what works best visually. The poem by Primus is called "I've Lost a Day" and was written in 1854 per Griffin, p 15. Brown's letter of 17 November 1867?text p 228-229 or 8 January 1864?text p 74-75 both speak of their relationship, while 25 March 1866p 116 talks about civil rights and her exhaustion (107 steps, 20 times a day sounds like a job in itself!). Does having the text make it easier to find the letters? I truly appreciate your help and thank you very much. SusunW (talk) 14:57, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

They're... not quite so organised. They're listed by sender, recipient, and date where known, so, honestly, if I don't have the date, it's a matter of clicking through and reading letters until I find them. Adam Cuerden ^(talk)_{Has about 8.4% of all FPs.} 16:06, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

Adam Cuerden Sorry, I've been busy talking with doctors off and on all morning. My husband had a severe ear infection and it's been awful. Anyway:

I've Lost a Day
8 January 1864 I love this one and it's all on the same page: "Dear Stella do you ever think of our visit last summer" Perhaps it is too light or perhaps you can fix that?
25 March 1866 The bit about stairs is on the bottom of the page
24 November 1867 (Griffin erroneously shows 17 November) but the pertinent bit is "if you think that is my bosom that captivated the girl" SusunW (talk) 17:19, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

Hey Adam Cuerden, sorry, doctor's appointment again (am actually with him now at a lab facility). Ian has completed the copyedit. How are we going on the photos? (I have another project for you as well if you don't mind, but I'll ask on your page when this one is done) SusunW (talk) 14:41, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, got distracted Adam Cuerden ^(talk)_{Has about 8.4% of all FPs.} 01:57, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

Adam Cuerden, no worries. I am not remotely trying to put pressure on you, but I would like to nominate Brown's article in conjunction with the WIG editathon for June. I am likely going to be completely unavailable on Monday June 12th. Full disclosure, the other project is also for the WIG editathon. SusunW (talk) 19:18, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

I won't pretend to Adam's skills with photo editing, but he's busy, so here are 3 versions of I've lost a day: just turned into JPG; brightened; and cropped, rotated and expanded at the bottom just a bit. (Clearly Primus did not have access to a word processor, she ran out of space on the page!) --GRuban (talk) 21:23, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

And I have neither of y'all's skills or wands. Thank you so much! Can one like Brown's first letter above be unbrightened? It's light, but it is the only one of her letters that seems to be all on one page. I also have zero clue what Adam meant about extracting an image. I just snip them. That's as far as my skill goes. SusunW (talk) 21:34, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

This one?

Technically "brightened" isn't the word for what I've done to it, but I don't really know what is (though I'm sure Adam does). In this case as above I've also uploaded the untouched version in case someone who actually know what they are doing wants to have a shot at it. My image editing procedure is:

Download GIMP which is an unfortunately named image editing program that has more knobs and buttons than ... a full dresser and wardrobe of suits ... but has the inestimable advantage of being free
Scream in horror at all the knobs and buttons
Do a web search for "how to do-what-i-want-this-time in GIMP", and try to do part of that
Return to good old Microsoft Photos because it has noticeably fewer knobs and buttons, and do most of my work there. --GRuban (talk) 00:10, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

LOL, I don't even know what GIMP is. I use a snipping tool and save as a JPG. Thank you for the letter. If someone can get me the Sarah Porter Archive photo of the school, I can nominate it and move on to my queries about the Toulouse-Lautrec images for my next victim. Thank you both so much. SusunW (talk) 00:35, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

I can also do the whole image without yellow, or the cropped image with yellow, as you prefer. --GRuban (talk) 13:39, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

I like the black and white as it is. Thank you so much. I really appreciate it. SusunW (talk) 13:57, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

Concern regarding User:GRuban/Mallu Traveler

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June thanks

June songs
my story today

Soňa Červená is now a GA, and I am sure that is because of the images you added, - it gave her life! Thank you! -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:46, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

Glad to help; I doubt the pics made the difference though. --GRuban (talk) 14:54, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

For me, they made her so much more a person! - Jörg Widmann is 50 today, and I began Stockholm pics. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:12, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Today's story is about a singer whom I saw twice, not Wagner and Strauss, but Bach and Weill - more vacation pics! - The singer comes with image requested - any chance? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:10, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Today: the woman caught by the iron curtain (improved with SusunW and you), yesterday: the Mass in B minor, heard in concert then, three musical videos are out, and vacation pics. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:01, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

Nasta Rojc

I need help and am really, really confused. She died in Yugoslavia in 1964. Our guide says "Generally 50 years after the author's death, with the exception of photographs or a works of applied art, respectively 25 years since published." The successor state was Croatia, which says

"A Croatian work is in the public domain under the Yugoslav Copyright Act of 1978 and the succeeding Croatian Copyright Act of 1991 if it entered the public domain on or before 27 July 1999, when the law was changed. These acts provided for a copyright term of the life of the author plus fifty years, or of 25 years for a photograph or a work of applied art. The work must meet one of the following criteria:

It is a work of known authorship and the author died before 1 January 1949
Is an anonymous work published before 1 January 1949
It is a photograph or a work of applied art published before 1 January 1974. However, such a work will not be in the public domain in the United States if published after 1970."

All of her works were completed before 1974, so they meet #3? and based on 25 years protection would have been in the PD on 1989, i.e. before 1999 as required by Croatian law and before 1996 under URAA Is that right? And if that is the case, can I use these:

1) hunting or some version of it.

2) Rojc and Onslow, 1944 by Rojc

3) Sculpting

4) smoking

5) There's a bunch of stuff on Flickr, but I have no clue.

Anything that you can do to help with images of her or her work would be really, really appreciated. My goal is to nominate it for the Women in Green GA editathon this month, but I can do that with or without photos. SusunW (talk) 14:54, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

I reformatted your post assuming you're referencing https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Copyright_rules_by_territory/Croatia#Former_durations; https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:PD-Croatia is very similar. Point 3 there does look great, but not ideal. The issue is that, first, we need to show the photos were published not just taken before 1971, and her paintings are probably not "applied art". What "applied art" means is not linked in either of the Commons links above, but our article Applied arts says "the arts that apply design and decoration to everyday and essentially practical objects in order to make them aesthetically pleasing.[1] The term is used in distinction to the fine arts, which are those that produce objects with no practical use, whose only purpose is to be beautiful"; so like a chair or automobile or something. Her paintings are almost certainly "fine art", rather than "applied art", they don't serve any utilitarian purpose. So, can you show her photos were published, in a book or magazine, say? If so, we can use them. Also about photo 2 specifically - a) are you sure it's by Rojc? I can't read Croatian either, but think it might say it's of Rojc, but might be by someone else, in which case we might need to track down that one's death date. b) which one of the two women is Rojc and which is Onslow? (I will continue, have to run for the moment...) --GRuban (talk) 14:04, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

I don't read Croatian either, but the 1944 photo clearly says "Autor (osoba) Rojc, Nasta", which is clear to me means author and at the bottom says "13 negativa BB N. Rojc", also referencing her negatives. I'm fairly sure the older woman is Onslow, based on looking at Rojc's self-portraits. Another possibility is that Davor Preis lives in her house, uses furniture she made and is the keeper of her "manuscripts". Is he also the keeper of her photos or can he tell us who is the "private collector" who holds them? linked in and website. No worries, as you have time. SusunW (talk) 14:27, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Kusma found this photo of the orphanage, which said photo was created in 1919. If we could prove who took this, we could make an argument that not published until 2011. See page 410. SusunW (talk) 16:08, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Here's one I'm sure we can use, the 1913 edition of The Brave Adventures of Lapitch (Croatian: Čudnovate zgode šegrta Hlapića; I corrected a typo in your article about that!), which she illustrated https://digitalnezbirke.kgz.hr/?pr=iiif.v.a&id=18301 It was clearly published before 1927. It's got a nice color cover, and if you say which of the 20 or so internal drawings you want, I will also upload those. --GRuban (talk) 22:46, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

I noticed the correction and appreciate it. (you could have also just corrected to anti-facists, but I really am glad you caught that! I love the tightrope walking image on page 29. SusunW (talk) 12:48, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Aha, another possibility: https://arteist.hr/leonida-kovac-nasta-rojc-nase-doba/ says (in machine translation, maybe 3/4 way down the page) "Although Nasta Rojc retained her surname after her marriage, signing all her paintings until her death, the organizers of the Exhibition of the Croatian Art Society held in 1911 in Zagreb signed them in the catalogue with the surname Šenoa, which caused her dismay and outrage [11]". The key point is that the paintings are in the exhibition catalogue; a catalogue is pretty clearly meant for distribution to a large group, i.e., published, so if we can find that, and if it gives actual images of her paintings, rather than just text, that would work. --GRuban (talk) 23:05, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

I thought it might be this but there are no images in it. So I pressed on her name in the links and there are 38 catalogs? that mention https://dizbi.hazu.hr/a/?pr=l&mrf[10155][93744]=a her. (I don't know how to post these links that have symbols in them wiki doesn't like.

) I don't know any other way to do it than to look through them so I'm doing that. SusunW (talk) 12:48, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Winter scape https://dizbi.hazu.hr/a/?pr=iiif.v.a&id=10883&tify={%22pages%22:[25],%22panX%22:0.432,%22panY%22:1.265,%22view%22:%22info%22,%22zoom%22:1.013} (1916 p. 25)

Sea scape https://dizbi.hazu.hr/a/?pr=iiif.v.a&id=10879&tify={%22pages%22:[13],%22panX%22:0.441,%22panY%22:0.281,%22view%22:%22info%22,%22zoom%22:0.989} (1939 p. 13)

Self-portait https://dizbi.hazu.hr/a/?pr=iiif.v.a&id=11800&tify={%22pages%22:[91],%22view%22:%22info%22} (1938, p 91)

Flowers https://dizbi.hazu.hr/a/?pr=iiif.v.a&id=10905&tify={%22pages%22:[4],%22view%22:%22info%22} (1930, p 4)

This 1932 one is interesting https://dizbi.hazu.hr/a/?pr=iiif.v.a&id=10867&tify={%22pages%22:[8],%22panX%22:0.433,%22panY%22:0.4,%22view%22:%22info%22,%22zoom%22:0.892}. Her works are listed on page 8 (12), and it doesn't list the one on the cover, which I think may be a photograph of her time in England?

I don't find any more images in catalogs, but there are some individual pieces with different licenses marked like this one and this, but I don't know what those mean. SusunW (talk) 14:44, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Oh, there are CC0 marked ones! That's much better. That site is the Croatian Academy of Sciences and Arts, which seems to be a highly respected organization in Croatia, and if they say these works are CC0, I'm going to say we should take their word for it. Especially I'm now less sure about the children's book, I'm afraid, so I may have wasted your time as well as mine there, sorry

; I downloaded images from it to my local computer, edited them, and was just going to upload them to commons, but now think it may be public domain in the US due to publication before 1927, but not in Croatia due to not meeting author's life +50 or 70 years. I created https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Nasta_Rojc and will upload things to it, starting with those CC0 ones. There's a painting by her in Commons already, https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Pavao_Hatz_ml._(Nasta_Rojc,_1914).jpg but I'm suspicious of it, and don't think you should use it for your GA article; since it's marked "public domain in its country of origin and other countries and areas where the copyright term is the author's life plus 70 years or fewer.", but 1964+70=2034. --GRuban (talk) 15:25, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I had seen that and didn't think we could use it either. Glad that you knew those CC0 ones are useable. I had no clue what that meant. I guess that will be the problem with all the other works too, even if published because they won't be PD in Croatia, with the exception of the photographs, if we can prove they were published? SusunW (talk) 15:37, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

CC0 is the Creative Commons organization formalization of public domain, we can use those if we believe the person marking them CC), and the Croatian Academy seems to be the, or at least an, official government organization for that sort of thing. --GRuban (talk) 15:47, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

What about this by Ludwig Grillich (1855-1926)? I know it says CC BY-NC-ND but 70 years since death expired in 1996. (And I need a lede photo!) SusunW (talk) 21:07, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Yes! You are better at this than I am. --GRuban (talk) 22:53, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

I think we make a good team. Wouldn't have found them had you not pointed me in the direction to try to find that book. I appreciate your magic! SusunW (talk) 00:55, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Croatian artist Nasta Rojc, photograph by Ludwig Grillich
Cropped, decolored, brightened a bit

Aha! I'm not completely useless. Found an absolutely wonderful photo in so many ways: it's a photo of her, facing front, looking into the camera, at work, painting, in her studio, and it's by Onslow, her partner! Onslow died in 1950 (source says 1949, but whatever), so 1950+70=2020, so PD in Croatia; also unpublished before 2003, so PD in US. I see you grabbed a couple of images from https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Nasta_Rojc already, there are also a few more, but I don't recommend the government official portrait painting as above. Haven't found a good usable photo of Onslow and her husband, but still looking; maybe we should go for fair use there, they were rather important in her life. Agree? --GRuban (talk) 01:02, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Absolutely I agree. What a fabulous photo! Yes, whichever ones you want and yes, we should have photos of them if we can. I didn't even try to search the Croatian archives for their names. Tomorrow, after we get back from the doctor, if you haven't already done it, I'll look. SusunW (talk) 04:43, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

I wonder if they labeled that photo of Rojc and Strozzi backwards. You have better eyes than me, but if you look at the studio photo and the one above where Rojc is in the garden with Onslow and compare the woman in the costume to these, I think Rojc is on the left. Your thoughts? SusunW (talk) 12:58, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Husband by Rojc 1909. Pair with this fabulous photo. I think we can't use either on commons, but we could use his as fair use? SusunW (talk) 13:35, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Croatian painter Nasta Rojc in her studio, photograph by her partner Alexandrina Onslow, circa 1925.
Croatian painter Nasta Rojc in her studio, photograph by her partner Alexandrina Onslow, circa 1925.

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Thank you for another good one! - You found images for singers, - how about Rachel Yakar? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:27, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

No rush, Storye book found one. -- (and forgot to sign)

I looked, but could not find anything free. Sorry. --GRuban (talk) 15:08, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

July music

July songs

my story today

Thanks for trying! - My story today pictures a friend whose birthday is today ;) - we listened to music she helped publishing - at a fancy place (which looked different when Bach played there). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:59, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

Finally: June pictures updated, with three great RMF concerts! - My story today is very personal: the DYK appeared on Wikipedia's 15th birthday, and describes a concert I sang. I was requested to translate the bio into German for a memorial concert ... - see background, and we talked about life and death. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:37, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

On today's Main page, you can find a cantata that Bach first performed 300 years ago, and an iconic saxophonist from East Germany. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:05, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

File:1915. Обложка журнала «Любовь к трем апельсинам» работы А. Я. Головина.jpg - can you tell me what this is? - I'm looking for something to be used for Prokofiev's bio, would like some autograph music, but found only this. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:18, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

I can even get it in color for you! https://www.researchgate.net/figure/The-Love-for-Three-Oranges-Journal-of-Doctor-Dapertutto-1915-Cover-by-AY-Golovin_fig4_364256216 "The Love for Three Oranges, Journal of Doctor Dapertutto. 1915. Cover." The artist is almost certainly Aleksandr Golovin (artist). I'm not sure what it's a cover of - nowadays, when I go to a play or an opera I get a program at the door, normally printed by Playbill. Possibly this is the 1915 equivalent? However, our article The Love for Three Oranges says the premiere was in 1921, so why does this one say 1915? The basis for the opera, L'amore delle tre melarance is 1761, so possibly this was a 1915 staging? If so, it might not be directly related to Prokofiev. Of course you could just add it to the Prokofiev article without comment, and if asked say "clearly this was his inspiration...".

Do you want me to upload the color version? --GRuban (talk) 14:24, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

Ah, no. This isn't even the program to a play, as such. This is the cover of a magazine/journal put out by Vsevolod Meyerhold and a few friends, beginning in 1913; they were all theatre people, so I'm guessing that's why there's a stage on the cover, and I would not be surprised if it was mostly devoted to theatre. This is all from https://ptj.spb.ru/archive/33/historical-novel-33/lyubov-ktrem-apelsinam-vs-mejerxolda/ which describes it and I can translate in detail for you if you like (or you can copy and paste it into http://translate.google.com); there are lots of names mentioned, but Prokofiev is not one of them. --GRuban (talk) 14:32, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

Thank you so much for finding all that. Why on earth it's categorized under the opera remains a mystery. - It would be great to have whatever music written by the composer, - actually any composer. For Bach, we have a treasure! - But for Prokofiev: Only printed excerpts, with mostly no recognisable titles, sigh. - While today's DYK highlights Santiago on his day, I did my modest share with my story today, describing what I just experienced, pictured. I began the article of the woman in green. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:50, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

Today Jahrhundertring, and I'm listening to Götterdämmerung from the Bayreuth Festival (pictured), - the image (of a woman who can't believe what she has to see) features also on the article talk. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:23, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Akane Yamaguchi

Hello. Help copy edit and improvements. Thanks you. 27.75.126.65 (talk) 13:51, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

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Regarding a new section called Gallery of contestants at Miss Universe articles

Hello @GRuban! I wish to know your opinion regarding a new section called "Gallery of contestants" at Miss Universe articles and Miss World articles. I've created a topic regarding the matter at the talk page of Miss Universe 2023 although I do not know if that is the right place to add that topic. Thank you! Allyriana000 (talk) 03:13, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

Art Bridges Foundation Draft

Hello! Kevin from the Walton family office here. I have a draft in my user space I would like to see if you want to review. It is for an article on the Art Bridges Foundation, which is one of Alice Walton's foundations. Given our work in the past, I thought you would be interested. As always, thanks for all the assistance. Kt2011 (Talk · COI:Walton family) 13:14, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Hello, I have added the article for creation template on the article draft however I still welcome your feedback. If you have any questions, please feel free to ask them on the Talk Page of the draft. As always, thanks. Kt2011 (Talk · COI:Walton family) 21:08, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

Judi M. gaiashkibos

Hope all is well. I need help if you can spare a bit of time. So, I’ve found this trophy photo. There is no mark or notice on the masthead or publishing notice, nor any entry in the 1970 periodicals catalog. But, the image is very washed out. Can you fix that? Also found this cowboy hat photo. There is no notice on the masthead or publishing notice. The paper does not appear in the 1973 periodical catalog nor does the Associated Press in the 1973 artwork/photograph catalog. But, I am not sure if there is another name I should be looking for for an AP photo. Would love to have a current image, she's a public servant and so possibly there is one available somewhere, but I don't have a clue about how to find current photos. I appreciate you. SusunW (talk) 18:58, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I just couldn't improve that washed out photo very much at all. She simply has no nose, and so it goes. Maybe the great User:Adam Cuerden can do better, but it's beyond my humble abilities. However, I did find another photo from the cowboy hat paper that I think is noticeably better than either. Your choice.

Side note, is there a reason you want to include her middle initial in the page title? Are there other notable Judi gaiashkiboses (Judis gaiashkibos?) so we need to distinguish between them? --GRuban (talk) 15:21, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

As for modern photos - have you considered writing to her? https://indianaffairs.state.ne.us/staff/ has a mailto:judi.gaiashkibos@nebraska.gov; or the Contact Us page from there has a Scott Shafer who seems to be in charge of that sort of thing for the department. https://indianz.com/News/2014/05/09/meet-native-america-judi-gaias.asp has a photo from the Commission that she is an executive director of that would be great. Want me to do it? --GRuban (talk) 16:04, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

Don't think there's much chance of getting more detail from a half-toned newspaper clipping, unfortunately. Adam Cuerden ^(talk)_{Has about 8.5% of all FPs.} 01:29, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

Thank you so much! I appreciate you uploading them and you found a great bonus photo. Yes, I'd love one of her professional photos, but you know I can only copy your ask from previous experience, but then if they ask questions I am lost. If you want to ask her, that would be very much appreciated. LOL "Are there other notable Judi gaiashkiboses"? No but it is what she is commonly called in sources. (Her husband is notable too and he doesn't have a first name.) SusunW (talk) 14:12, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

Miss Universe images

Hello @GRuban! I know that you have restored the articles of Miss USA with pictures. Could you also do the ones for Miss Universe? I also changed some articles into redirects because they do not have references. Feel free to revert them back but add two or more references so that i won't be reverted back into a redirect. Allyriana000 (talk) 03:26, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

@Allyriana000: So. Um. I'm not sure if I conveyed this clearly enough, but I do not encourage redirecting articles that are pretty clearly valuable, accurate, and referenceable. It's not technically vandalism, but it's not that far from it, it's throwing the baby out with the bathwater. I'll probably just sigh and restore the articles you redirected as when I get around to it, because I'm a Wikipedia volunteer, and I believe in the project, but you are too, right? I strongly encourage you to go to Wikipedia:The Wikipedia Library, Database Access, Newspapers.com, and do the same searches that I would do, it's not rocket science. --GRuban (talk) 21:02, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

I am not yet that great at knowing if a picture is free or not, but I will try my best. I'm just playing safe that I wouldn't get blocked at Wikimedia Commons. Allyriana000 (talk) 00:43, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Picture licenses can be complex, I agree, I've done this for years, and am still learning. I'm talking about changing articles full of good data into redirects; please, don't, when references can be found instead. --GRuban (talk) 00:46, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

@Allyriana000: Restored all the Miss Universes, I think, most with images. If I missed some, please do say. Whew. That was a fair bit of work, I really hope I don't have to do that again soon. --GRuban (talk) 20:34, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

August music

August songs

my story today

In my most recent images (click on songs), two wedding cakes are hidden. - Today's story is about the Inkpot Madonna who returned to "her place" 9 years ago, and also has aspects of early learning, remember? -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:22, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Today is Debussy's birthday. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:03, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

The Cormac McCarthy Journal

Hi GRuban, hope you are well. I wonder if you or any friendly page watchers could give me a second opinion on the copyright status of two of the four images at The Cormac McCarthy Journal. Dust jacket images for The Road and Suttree are being used with (different) rationales I haven't seen before for a book cover. I actually think in both cases the rationale is good, but I'd be happy to get a second opinion since I'm doing a GA review. Thanks for any help! Mujinga (talk) 12:58, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

I agree. The first one is clearly just a few words in printing, I'd have used {{PD-text}} but that will do. The second one is interesting, the letters are not just a font, they are stylized, and it does have a few scribbly lines, so I don't know if PD-text works, but the {{PD-US-no notice}} is good, given the find of the full, unfolded dust jacket, showing no copyright notice. I added those images there for verification. And I really like the copyright specification note about a dust jacket being separate from the book itself, I did not know that! --GRuban (talk) 14:03, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Ah thanks for that! Yes the dust jacket thing was new to me as well. Cheers, Mujinga (talk) 14:17, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Page watcher who loves learning things thinks, it will be good if I remember this, but I might not, so I will just remember that Blz 2049 ~~Mujinga~~ and George know about book jackets.

SusunW (talk) 15:10, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

SusunW I refuse to be known as an image expert and have removed my name haha. I'm just the humble GA reviewer please don't ask me about image copyright :) Mujinga (talk) 15:16, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

LOL Mujinga, me, I am just a researcher and writer (and a reluctant reviewer who isn't very good at it). I don't trust myself with copyright. I can research images, and I am sure George gets tired of me asking him, but there are nuances that I am never sure of. He knows stuff and has magic wands. I appreciate his willingness to help more than I can say. SusunW (talk) 15:50, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Louisa Briggs

I am in need of your magic. If you start on page 222 (pdf 234) you will see a group of photos that appear to have been published because of the labels. The Guardian published better images, but I can't figure out where they came from. Although it says Museum Victoria, that website returns nada. There are also descriptions of photos (but no images) listed here (search Louisa Briggs), but I cannot tell if they are the same photos. They say they are in the The Aldo Massola Collection, but I cannot find that on the AIATSIS website. I get that you aren't an expert on Australia, but you are my go to person for photos. Can you help? or point me to someone, somewhere? SusunW (talk) 22:53, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

You should be good - in fact, you should be great! Basically Australian photos taken before 1946 are public domain, and since she died before then, these obviously are.

The TL;DR:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Copyright_rules_by_territory/Australia says "Photographs (published or unpublished) taken before 1 January 1955 are in the public domain." https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:PD-Australia says the same thing in more detail, but, as it says, we also need a US copyright template.
We can use https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:PD-1996 because it was PD in Australia in 1996, due to being taken before 1946. This is because Copyright_expiration_in_Australia#Copyright_term says that photos went out of copyright 50 years after being taken, as does https://www.copyright.org.au/browse/book/ACC-Duration-of-Copyright-INFO023 which is what it's using as a reference. 1946+50 = 1996.
Now the EN version of {{PD-Australia}} is a bit weird, it says that anonymous photos need to be have been published prior to 1 January 1946, but I don't read that in either of the last two links, either our article or copyright.org.au, so I think it's wrong, and will probably ask whoever put that in the EN template after I find who that is from the history.
In any case, the important thing is that the Commons template governs on Commons, and according to it, those photos are PD.

You can upload them to Commons marked PD-Australia and PD-1996, or you can wait for me, and I'll probably do it in a few days. --GRuban (talk) 00:08, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

You are magic! Thank you so much. I'll wait for you if you don't mind. I'm still looking for better versions of them. But, here's additional information on the photos (BARI01606 'Metaphors - Ch [Chapter] 8 - plates 1-4'). Frederick Kruger, who Barwick says is the author, appears to be Fred Kruger (1831-1888). SusunW (talk) 14:22, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

If I click on the photos "The Guardian" used, I get clearer images, but note that the family group they used is Louisa's children with John's "other" wife, Ann. Where the heck did they find them? I suspect they come from here, but they aren't shown (possibly because of cultural heritage concerns?) I noted that one website said the images it used came from uploads to ancestry and if you use the WP Library access to that database and search "Louisa Esmai Strugnell" you can see better images in the thumbnails, but for the life of me, I cannot open any of them. *sigh* SusunW (talk) 15:04, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

Mrs. Louisa Briggs with first grandchild, William Charles, born 8 July 1875, at Coranderrk Aboriginal Station, c.1876-77.
Mrs. Louisa Briggs with first grandchild, William Charles, born 8 July 1875, at Coranderrk Aboriginal Station, c.1876-77.
Mrs. Louisa Briggs with her children (rear: William, Sarah, Jack, Mrs. Lizzie Briggs Charles; front: Caroline, Ellen, Louisa and grandson William Charles).
Mrs. Louisa Briggs with her children (rear: William, Sarah, Jack, Mrs. Lizzie Briggs Charles; front: Caroline, Ellen, Louisa and grandson William Charles).

Will get others too... --GRuban (talk) 13:14, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

You're the best! Thank you so much. SusunW (talk) 13:53, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

@SusunW: There's also this photo: https://www.wikitree.com/photo/jpg/Strugnell-22-1. Since she died in 1925 (at the age of 107?) it's also guaranteed free ... if it's a picture of her. I'm not completely sure it is, though. It says "Louisa - seated", but ... ? Have you seen any other verification that it is her in the middle? --GRuban (talk) 00:57, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

I've not seen that photo before. The ones from the book say that they were made between 1875 and 1882. They left Coranderrk permanently in 1885 and to me, the seated lady looks quite a bit older than in the photos we have. Would she have changed so much in 3 years? I, like you, am unsure it is her, the face shape seems wrong to me. SusunW (talk) 04:37, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

Help request for Draft:Kristen Harris (actress)

Good morning from Campora San Giovanni, Calabria, I am writing to say hello and know how you are. In addition to this, to ask you for a small courtesy. Would you like to fix the page and make it a bit more encyclopaedic? I tried to create it, it seemed right that the actress too should have her "place in the sun", using an Italian expression. In any case, if I can do something for you, please ask, waiting to hear from you, I thank you in advance. Luigi Salvatore Vadacchino (talk) 06:14, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

The most obvious thing the draft needs is references to reliable sources. The blurb right at the top of the draft explains that. Find some articles in newspapers, magazines, books, that are about her, multiple paragraphs, not just one sentence as part of a cast list. Cite them. If you can't find at least a couple like that, she probably won't meet Wikipedia:Notability, and is probably not ready for a Wikipedia article about her. I admit, a quick Google search was not very helpful, I couldn't find much. --GRuban (talk) 20:16, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

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Image question

Hi GRuban. I noticed you've added images from newspapers to several of my articles, e.g. Doug Turley and Brison Manor; I was wondering - how are you determining that those post-1928-published images are in the public domain? Thanks. BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:24, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

It varies, but you can check the license tag on each image which should have details. These seem to be {{PD-US-no notice}}: "This work is in the public domain in the United States because it was published in the United States between 1928 and 1977, inclusive, without a copyright notice. For further explanation, see Commons:Hirtle chart as well as a detailed definition of "publication" for public art. " GRuban (talk) 18:28, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

The rule for that particular template is to check the newspaper for a copyright notice; I used to think they would usually be found in the little box somewhere on the first few pages or in the editorial section that also gives circulation figures, but it's almost never there. Still needs checking, technically the whole thing needs to be searched through. To my increasing surprise over the years, it seems that most US newspapers did not copyright their issues, despite presumably knowing the copyright law. One notable exception is the New York Daily News which had a copyright notice at the top of each page, for example https://www.newspapers.com/image/391483158/ - particularly annoying for public domain image hunters, since that newspaper was particularly famous for its images. --GRuban (talk) 19:05, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Finding free licensed images for articles is not easy, but has sort of become my thing over the past some odd years. (I really should update that to 2023.) --GRuban (talk) 19:45, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

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Phoolan Devi

Hi GRuban, I've nominated Phoolan Devi at FAC. Nikkimaria has been kind enough to do an image review and said "File:Phoolan_Devi-Bandit_Queen.jpg needs a more expansive FUR". Could I ask you what to do to improve the FUR? There weren't any free images of Phoolan Devi out there last time I checked, so is it just a case of emphasising that? I'm a bit concerned by the metadata that says " Author RAVI RAVEENDRAN, Copyright holder ImageForum". Thanks for any help! Mujinga (talk) 09:07, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

The metadata is not a blocker to our using the File:Phoolan Devi-Bandit Queen.jpg image in the sense of permissions - we're using the image under fair use anyway, which means despite any claims of ownership. However that claim of ownership in it does seem unlikely; it is annoying that the metadata is misspelled, as an FA should be perfect in every way we can make it; also the part the reader will most notice, it is also a bit smaller than it needs to be, WP:IMAGERES says 100,000 pixels and it's 108 × 160, so only 17,000, we can more than double its size in each dimension. Honestly, I recommend going back to the source for another copy of the image, it's larger and has more sensible metadata. Also, I would recommend getting a better picture of Seema Biswas; the one you have is of her in an awkward open-mouthed expression, and in general not really what one would expect of an actress portraying a bandit queen. We have 13 pictures of her in https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Seema_Biswas; none are from 1994, which would be ideal, but I think we can find a better one than this one.

For the WP:FUR, I looked at the most recent fair use images from Wikipedia:Today's featured article/September 2023 and, finding only one, also Wikipedia:Today's featured article/August 2023. I found the following:

Robert Howard Hodgkin and File:Robert Howard Hodgkin.png. This seems fairly comparable in both usage and FUR detail.
Cherry Valentine and File:Cherry Valentine 2022.png. Comparable usage, slightly more detailed FUR. In both these cases note how the larger image looks much better in our article, again, let's get a larger image for Phoolan Devi.
Kingdom Two Crowns and File:Kingdom two crowns gameplay.png and File:Kingdom Two Crowns cover art.jpg These are different usages, but somewhat more detailed FUR."
Doc Savage (magazine) and File:Doc Savage Magazine - March 1933.jpg Different usage, and actually less detailed FUR!

That should be enough. So, it looks like User:Nikkimaria is slightly picking nits, clearly the reviewers of Hodgkin and Savage would have accepted this rationale go. But why not make her happy? It is an FAC after, we want to do all we can. Compare the above images FURs, add what bits the others have that this one doesn't. Where it says "A substantial effort was made to find ..." you want to be able to honestly say you made the substantial effort. I did a brief search myself, on my usual suspects (YouTube, Flickr, Vimeo, US govt), but it's not my FAC, maybe you know of some Indian museums or government sites or news sources that sometimes offer free images? Look through them. All of them. Yes, it's a pain, but FA is supposed to be our best of the best.

Now, all that said ... you only asked me for images, but I'm looking at the article text and am not sure it is FA quality. Just random bits from a brief glance:

The rapists included Chheda Singh - who? Why do we just want to drop a random name? I don't see it elsewhere in the article.
formed another gang with Man Singh - again, who? Was this a bandit from the same gang, a different gang?
When Phoolan Devi discovered Singh had taken this payment, - payment? What payment?
Why is her full name used throughout? I am not an expert on Indian names, but we generally use only one name after the first mention, for European names generally the last name, only the first name if the second is a patronymic (like Saddam Hussein). This is all MOS:SURNAME. Should Template:Indian patronymic apply? Another?

There are probably more issues, but I'm not the FA reviewer. Good luck! --GRuban (talk) 14:48, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

Many thanks GRuban, you always go above and beyond! That's a great idea to get a new image from the source, I'll do that. And I'll work my way through the FURs. You'd be welcome to leave more comments at the FAC or the talkpage if you were so inclined; to answer your four queries here:

Chheda Singh - @SusunW made the same point at peer review and at FAC I said I'd change it if others agreed, so the casting vote has been made!
Man Singh - currently under discussion at FAC, thanks for flagging it up
payment - hmm yes you are right, something got garbled there, I'll have to check the source
naming conventions have been discussed extensively and even though it seems awkward the consensus is to use Phoolan Devi throughout

Cheers, Mujinga (talk) 07:59, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi George and Mujinga. Not ignoring you. I have been in hell for 9 days. Went to Oklahoma for my mom's 90th birthday and Microsoft, in their ultimate wisdom (not), decided I was somewhere I shouldn't be and suspended my account. The celebration was great, but it has taken 4 days and 6 techs to undo their suspension (they claim they wrote an automated program to suspend but have "no way" to undo it. Why am I skeptical?) and I still only have partial use of my computer. Their take is that they erred on the side of caution because it was suspicious for me to be in the US. My take is that it is none of their business where I am and I am not a child in need of their protection. So, I was in the states with a Mexican phone and a non-functional computer (and after their helpfulness had no access to texts or email, only telephone calls.) If/when they resolve the issues, I will resume working regularly. Until then, I have had a remote technician in control of my computer from 8 a.m. until 3 p.m. every day. I told them yesterday that I needed today to do "banking and we need to live" stuff, so they couldn't access my computer. We will resume on Monday. It is awful. I hate technology, but can't live without it. SusunW (talk) 14:51, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Wow that sounds really frustrating, hope it gets resolved for you soon. And happy birthday to your mum!! Mujinga (talk) 18:10, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

GRuban, I reuploaded the portrait and it looks much better! I have hopefully resolved the four text comments and I realise I forgot to reply on Seema Biswas - I actually really like that pic (I find it a proper actor pose) but will happily change it if anyone else objects. Cheers! Mujinga (talk) 12:40, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for that, the larger image is much better. I corrected spelling a bit. However, I have bad news: in doing an image search, I found this: https://phoolandevimovie.com/about/the-movie/ (as well as in many other places, but that's probably the official one). That image seems likely to be the source for File:Phoolan Devi.jpg as a derivative work. It's not a mechanical copy, but neither is it just "a picture of an unhappy but determined young South Asian woman with a head scarf", even the place the scarf crosses over one eye, and hair position, and highlights and shadows are clearly meant to be the same from the drawing and the presumably movie photograph. I think unless we have some evidence that the movie producers specifically released their rights to this copy as a derivative of their image, we need to consider it a copyright violation.

Sorry. --GRuban (talk) 15:19, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

Oh no worries, I was leaning delete anyway and now we have a decent rationale, thanks! Mujinga (talk) 17:01, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

Incomplete DYK nomination

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@Ritchie333: Not sure what this means in this given case, and I'm hoping you as a DYK admin do. Can I just ignore it, or is the bot about to do something drastic? --GRuban (talk) 13:07, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

Ritchie333 will know more than me but I'd imagine the submission template was edited and something got garbled. It should be sorted in time when the error gets noticed. Mujinga (talk) 08:00, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Art Bridges

Hi there. Last week, while investigating that errant Talk page ping, I saw you mentioned taking a look at the Art Bridges draft. Your feedback would be most welcome! Another editor stopped by and said it looked about ready and asked for just a couple changes, which I made. So hopefully, if you agree, it's ready to be moved into Mainspace. Thanks! ~~~~ Kt2011 (Talk · COI:Walton family) 19:11, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

Yup, looking, thanks for the reminder. I remember it's pretty good, and I was going to approve it with comments, but then realized you'd have trouble editing it in mainspace, so let me make my comments on the talk page first, then you can make them, then I'll move it live. --GRuban (talk) 19:17, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

Did that. Draft talk:Art Bridges Foundation#Nits More than a few nits, actually. Good luck! --GRuban (talk) 20:12, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

Yoko Matsuoka

I need your help and I don't want to rush you, so I'm going to ask now although I haven't finished the article I am writing for the Women in Green October editathon, so the article has to be finished by the 31st. I should also probably note what Kusma told me about the two Yoko Matsuoka's (actually there are four that I have run across, but mine isn't confused with the illustrator or the actress). Mine is 松岡洋子 and Yoko McClain, née Matsuoka is 松岡陽子. In Japanese not confusing, but in English McClain and my lady are confused. So, here is what I have:

1939 photo, p. 64. No photographer credited nor any mark or verbiage in the book that I find. Nothing in the 1939 Periodicals or Books catalogs for Halcyon or Swarthmore College.
1940 photos, p. 104. No photographer credited nor any mark or verbiage in the book that I find. Nothing in the 1940-1941 Periodicals or Books catalogs for Halcyon or Swarthmore College.
1946 photo with Brookman, p. 3. No photographer credited nor any mark or verbiage in the book that I find. No listing for Kappa Alpha Theta in either 1946 books or 1946-1947 periodicals. Any possibility you can make it less dark?
1953 photo with Eleanor Roosevelt from Stars and Stripes. Totally confused as to whether this counts as being made by a government employee because it is part of the United States Department of Defense but isn't edited by them. No marks on the masthead or publication notice, and not listed in Periodicals. The photographer Cpl. Carl Meyering is clearly a serviceman. No listing in Artworks for him. (There may be other photos of her and Roosevelt from this trip that are better. For example, these are from the same trip, but definitely copyrighted. I checked the original filing and it was renewed.)

Oooh, oooh, oooh. Okay look at the photo on p 140 of the copyrighted book. I think it might be usable because it was published earlier. Published in the Des Moines Register 26 May 1953. Made by AP Wirephoto. No listing in Artworks for "Wirephoto", "Associated Press" or AP. Not listed in the Periodicals catalog either. No mark or verbiage on the masthead but the publishing notice says in the section Member of the Associated Press: "The Associated Press is entitled exclusively to the use for republication of all local news printed in this newspaper as well as (A.P.) news dispatches. Rights of republication of all other matter published in this newspaper are also reserved." Does that equate to a copyright statement, or can we use the photo? SusunW (talk) 22:56, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

Okay, I went back and did a more thorough search for the specific date of 26 May 1953 and the reason I only found the one in the Des Moines paper was that others from the same day don't name Matsuoka. See this and this. If we can use the much better image from the book of ER and Matsuoka I'd rather have it than the one in Stars & Stripes, but I'd still like to have an answer on the military paper if we can get it. SusunW (talk) 17:35, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

I'd love to have a photo of her with Edgar Snow, but the only one I found is copyrighted and likely I cannot use it as fair use with the others being free. Perhaps you have a different ability to search from the US?
1970 photo created by AP. Many, many publications of it like Wisconsin, and California. First publication of the article was 27 December 1970. (Cannot access newspapers.com to see if there were east coast releases with the photo and can't find anything in the LOC newspapers. Per newspaperarchive.com first with photo appears in CST in Iowa, Oklahoma, Texas, etc. Which came first, no idea, but this one is the clearest.) Neither the Masthead nor Publishing Notice show verbiage or marks. No listing for Ada Sunday News in 1970 or 1971 Periodicals. Only thing AP copyrighted in 1970 Artworks was a film. Because the article came out in late December also checked 1971 Artworks and there is nothing for the AP.

Now that newspapers.com is back, an update The article first appeared on 26 December in Tennessee without crediting Roderick and without a photo. The photo did appear in some east coast papers with the photo on the 27th. Again no idea which one might have published first, but none seem to have copyright verbiage or marks. This one is the clearest of those and the uncropped version. No marks on masthead or publishing notice. Not in 1970 or 1971 periodicals under Call-Chronicle or Allentown. SusunW (talk) 19:49, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

Any help you can give will be appreciated. SusunW (talk) 18:34, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Stars and Stripes (newspaper) seems to be debatable. Their current website certainly says it's copyrighted, https://ww2.stripes.com/help/web-notice but there was a bit of a debate about whether it should be public domain in 2011, at Talk:Stars and Stripes (newspaper)#Copyright status. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Stars_and_Stripes_(newspaper) only seems to have WW2 era Stars and Stripes content (which was one of the options suggested in the talk page debate).

By the way, Newspapers.com works with the Wikipedia Library again! Will download other photos. --GRuban (talk) 18:33, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

You are the best! I truly appreciate the help. Comments on Pacific Stars and Stripes: Reading the first link you provided it says "The masthead of the WWII Stars and Stripes labeled it "Daily Newspaper of U. S. Armed Forces in the European Theater of Operations". There was no statement of copyright. In a box, usually on page 2, it further stated "Printed at the New York Herald for the U.S. armed forces under auspices of the Information and Education Division, Special and Informational services, ETOUSA. Contents passed by the U.S. Army and Navy censors." In this case there is also no statement of copyright on the masthead or publishing notice, but that notice says specifically "Edited published and printed…by the Troop Information and Education Section, Army Forces Far East, APO 500." A little further down it says "Civilian publications are not authorized to reprint such materials herein without written permission from Armed Forces Press Service". United States Army Forces in the Far East (USAFFE) was a military command established by the War Department.p 18 The Press Service is listed as being part of the Department of Defense. A specific search in the catalog for "Pacific" returns nada for Stars and Stripes. I cannot see any real difference in the argument made for the European Theater and what appears for USAFFE. No marks, made by the military, i.e. government publication, not allowed to be copyrighted. Is my logic off? SusunW (talk) 19:15, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

Eh. Don't know. There is a Library of Congress page about the newspaper at https://guides.loc.gov/stars-and-stripes-us-military-newspapers/ which ... could be read either way, really. I'm asking through their form https://ask.loc.gov/history-humanities-social-sciences for clarification, but it's not guaranteed. Sometimes they answer. --GRuban (talk) 19:34, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

Cool. Thanks. It is definitely confusing. SusunW (talk) 19:50, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

Yoko Matsuoka in the Halcyon, 1939 Swarthmore College yearbook.
Yoko Matsuoka in the Halcyon, 1939 Swarthmore College yearbook, desaturated, brightened.
Foreign Correspondent in Japan, page 3 of Kappa Alpha Theta Journal, Vol. 61 no. 1
Yoko Matsuoka, Laura Brookman, 1946 - contrast increased (more darkened than brightened, actually...)
Japanese activist Yoko Matsuoka, wearing a sash of slogans, leads a Tokyo protest against U.S. military use of the Mt. Fuji firing range, in 1970
Basketball team of 1940 Swarthmore College from Halcyon yearbook, p. 163
Yoko Matsuoka, Lynn Spencer, leaders of the International Relations Club 1940 Swarthmore College
International Relations Club 1940 Swarthmore College
Eleanor Roosevelt lunches with her interpreter, Yoko Matsuoka, at the Japanese Labor Ministry, on May 25, 1953

Seems the 1940 Halcyon does actually have a copyright statement, as well as photographic editor, etc.: https://archive.org/details/halcyon1940unse/page/1/mode/1up?q=copyright. It may still be not renewed, but I'll need to look for that. I could not find the similar copyright statement in the 1939 Halcyon. --GRuban (talk) 15:13, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Never would have occurred to me to search the term copyright - I always just scroll. I'll do that in the future. Weird that it doesn't appear in journals or books registration. Checked Mary Jane Caldwell in Artworks, gives nada. There is an entry for Swarthmore college book renewals in 1968, but no reference to Halcyon. Nothing in 1968 Periodicals, 1969 jan-jun books, jul-dec, or periodicals, or 1967 jan-jun books jul-dec books or periodicals. SusunW (talk) 15:41, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

As an alternative to the 1940 photo if you decide we can't get it, there is this one p. 476. (needs Muse access) It was published here and there are no marks on the masthead or publishing notice. Periodicals show no registrations for Honolulu or Advertiser that might reflect the paper. Artwork shows nothing for INP Photo and the only thing that comes up for International News Photos or International News Service is from 6 May 1940 about a Norse king. Another version appeared in The Binghamton Press. No listing for it in Periodicals or Wide World Photo in Artworks and there is nada on the masthead or publishing notice. Whichever image you prefer works for me. SusunW (talk) 18:15, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

I also searched and couldn't find a renewal in the copyright records, so am going with PD-not_renewed. Honestly the other images (with Roosevelt, for example) seem pretty bad quality. Are you really sure you want them? --GRuban (talk) 19:18, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

I'm fine without them, except I'd like this one. See info under ooh, ooh, ooh. And thank you so much for your help. I truly appreciate you. SusunW (talk) 19:42, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Done --GRuban (talk) 15:37, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

You are the best! I genuinely appreciate your help more than I can say. SusunW (talk) 17:55, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

OK, I'm convinced enough to take the (undeserved!) credit you shared with me for, I think, 18 articles now! User:GRuban#SusunW_articles

--GRuban (talk) 19:54, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Absolutely not undeserved. You spend a lot of time researching these images, uploading them, brightening them (or darkening them or whatever), that I don't have the skill to do. You also from time to time have been pivotal in the translations of sources and finding people to help us find sources, especially those that use archaic Russian. I truly wouldn't be able to write most of the stuff I write were it not for help I receive and you are one of the people I call on the most. SusunW (talk) 20:23, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

October music

October songs
my story today

Today, it's a place that inspired me, musings if you have time. My corner for memory and music has today a juxtaposition of what our local church choirs offer. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:44, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Phạm Thị Thanh Vân

Still waiting on a critical source on Matsuoka so I'm working on an alternative bio for WIG's editathon. It's a bit confusing because western sources typically call her by her husband's name Ngo Ba Thanh. The photo on the Vi.WP is fair use and I cannot access the source of it. So, here's what I've found and hopefully you can help with these.

1973: I think this is the probably the best photo I have of her. Masthead shows a copyright for vol. 204 issue 116 which is recorded in the 1973 Periodicals catalog p. 55, but weirdly doesn't give a registration number. Inputting The Boston Globe into the search engine as a name, I find no renewals. Inputting an "Other Search Option" with the first parameter as "The Boston Globe" and the second as "and" "RE" (for renewals), I get no returns for 1973. Can we use not renewed?
Globe 1958: This one is not bad. No mark on the masthead or publishing notice and no photographer indicated. The Periodicals catalog shows no entry for Newsday.
Alternative 1958: This one isn't horrible, except there is a line across her face. No mark on the masthead or publishing notice and no photographer indicated. The Periodicals catalog shows no entry for Bayonne.
Liberation News Service: 2 images here descriptions on the following page. Left image by Don Luce, right image by Tom Fox. Masthead has a copyright mark for LNS News Service, Inc., but I find no registration in the Periodicals catalog for LNS or Liberation News Service. There is one entry for Don Luce in the Artwork catalog, but it is for a film, and no entry for Tom Fox. In the search engine inputting "LNS News Service" or "Liberation News Service" in title or name returns no hits. Using keyword returns 3 entries but none are renewals. So can they be not renewed?

As always, any help you can give will be greatly appreciated. SusunW (talk) 23:32, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Took a while to figure out what to call the article, but I got the name sorted and took her live. Discovered that the Liberation News Service photos were taken in 1972. EBSCOhost 134057139 has two other versions by the same guys and the asthma incident is described in articles like this. I searched 1972 and found no prior publications of the LNS photos at newspapers.com, newspapers.com, or the LOC. However, to be on the safe side, I checked the periodicals catalog and artwork catalog finding no entries for Tom Fox, Thomas Fox, Don Luce, LNS or Liberation News Service. SusunW (talk) 15:42, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

The Boston Globe image won't work with not-renewed, renewal was only required until 1963, see Template:PD-US-not renewed. However, I found a number of images that may be even better:

Correspondent Eric Cavaliero is shown with Mrs. Ngo Ba Thanh, 1973
Mrs. Ngo Ba Thanh, 1973
Mrs. Ngo Ba Thanh poses with her husband and the posters she made during two years of imprisonment, 1973
Mrs. Ngo Ba Thanh, President of the Women's Committee for the Right to Life, 1971

The second (cropped from the first) seems like a good headshot (possibly, ironically, because the lack of detail makes her more photogenic compared to the fourth), the third shows her husband, who, I imagine may be rather important, (though, I am, of course, biased, being a husband), the fourth shows her determination. May find other pictures, still looking. --GRuban (talk) 17:38, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

I trust you and your magic wands. Thanks for your help. SusunW (talk) 18:16, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Request for image of Ida Magli

Greetings!

This is to seek your help for adding an image of Ida Magli, which is found in different news portals and online encyclopedia of other languages. Some of them are given in references. Could you add if there is any copy right free image is available. Sorry to bother you again. Thank you so for your valuable time. Thanks and regards, Thirukannan (talk) 08:17, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

Unfortunately, mid 20th century European academics are hard to find free images of. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Copyright_rules_by_territory/Italy says, basically, images whose author died before 1940. Currently active people can sometimes be found in free licensed videos on YouTube or Vimeo or amateur photos of public events on Flickr, while photos of mid 20th century Americans can often be found in American newspapers without notice under https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:PD-US-no_notice, but I couldn't find free Ida Magli images in any of those places. Sorry.

I did however tweak grammar in the article a bit, I see you're not a native English speaker. One thing you should probably do, even without being a native English speaker, is add authors, works, dates, and original titles, to your sources. Take a look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Cite_news and do at least fill in all these fields:

{{cite news |last= |first= |date= |title= |trans-title= |url= |language= |work= |access-date=}}

Il Fatto Quotidiano and Treccani are notable sources we have articles on, linking them in "|work=" will help. --GRuban (talk) 12:27, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

Olimpic draftification

How were the names selected? Some stubs are preserved, some were moved. Xx236 (talk) 11:48, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Are you referring to Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)/Archive_201#RfC_on_draftifying_a_subset_of_mass-created_Olympian_microstubs? I have not kept track of each individual article (there are many, which was kind of the point). But the decision was rather loudly upheld. If you can provide details of what you think isn't correct, we can probably get an admin or twelve to enforce it. --GRuban (talk) 12:53, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

I am asking about the rules. Xx236 (talk) 09:42, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, still don't understand the question. Which articles were affected? User:BilledMammal wrote down the list of articles, as well as his list of selection criteria, at the top of the RfC I link above, they seemed very thorough. If you're saying some were missed from the list that should have been there, or were put on the list that shouldn't have been, well, that's certainly possible, there were 960, after all, it would have been a minor miracle if there weren't some close calls, but you'll have to take that up with the Platypus (Echidna?); I did take a look at a number of the articles when writing my closing decision, but I absolutely did not thoroughly audit all 960! If you mean something else, please be specific and clarify. --GRuban (talk) 18:45, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

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Image find

Hi GRuban, just wanted to share a story and a thanks: Followed your playbook to get a high quality image released for Wallace Smith Broecker, a pioneering climate scientist, so it could go from this to this. Feels like a big win! Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 16:53, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

! --GRuban (talk) 23:57, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Nina Popova (official)

I need help with photos on Popova and it will likely require your skill with Russian.

This photo is on commons, but I think we can't use it, because if the date is correct it was published 8 March 1946, which is after the URAA date of 1 January 1946. I cannot access the source to confirm, but searching the description "Газета «Опаринская искра»" I get this link. If I could read Russian or figure out how to search the site, I might be able to figure out when it was published or find a photo that was published prior to January 1946. But, I can't so if you are willing, can you check?
This photo was published in 1960 without identifying a photographer or without a mark. Neither the masthead nor publishing notice contain a copyright statement and while "Detroit" appears in the 1960 Periodicals catalog, Detroit Free Press does not. I am fairly sure we can crop her out if we cannot find an earlier Russian portrait, but if we do find an earlier portrait for the lede, I'd like to keep the whole photo because her daughter is in it.

Any help you can give with the photos would be greatly appreciated. Please feel free to jump in and correct any transliteration errors or information in the article as well. Thanks. SusunW (talk) 22:02, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

I can't do a search either, collectionerus does not seem to be scanned for searching. However, there aren't as many issues there as it may first appear; or maybe there are only one or two pages per issue? They seem to be organized by year, about 52 per year, which one would think would mean weekly, but maybe not. Here is the issue that excellent image comes from: https://collectionerus.ru/collections/iskra/405/ - if you have the energy you can page back in time, and hope that same image was also printed earlier? Will look elsewhere. GRuban (talk) 22:27, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Very cool, but dammit, it confirms the 8 March date. I will try to search backwards and see what I can find. SusunW (talk) 22:32, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

So far nada. Went backwards from March 1946 to January 1944. Then figured she got 2 awards in 1941 so looked through all 127 issues of that year. Will start again tomorrow and look through 1942 and 1943. SusunW (talk) 23:10, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Nina Popova and daughter Renita Grigoryeva observe linotype machines at the Detroit Free Press in 1960
Nina Popova and daughter Renita Grigoryeva observe linotype machines at the Detroit Free Press in 1960
Nina Popova and daughter Renita Grigoryeva observe linotype machines at the Detroit Free Press in 1960

Couldn't decide how tightly to crop. Your choice! --GRuban (talk) 14:10, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

You're the best. Really appreciate your help. I've found several photographs of her, but none with a really good portrait. Does Russia or TASS maintain an on-line archive? Still working my way through that other paper. SusunW (talk) 14:46, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Looked through the rest of the paper 1942-1943 and find nada. *sigh* Still searching for a usable lede image. SusunW (talk) 15:26, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

I found a photoarchive for TASS, but the earliest photo of her in it is dated 1952. SusunW (talk) 15:35, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

FYI, I will be mostly out for a week and a half starting tomorrow. On a trip, with irregular Internet, so might drop in for short periods, but much shorter than normal, and maybe not at all. --GRuban (talk) 16:21, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Enjoy your trip. I'll try to not need you.

Happy Thanksgiving. I give thanks for you and our collaborations. I am trying, without much success to search this. There are links in it with various archives, but so far I've found nada about Popova. SusunW (talk) 16:44, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

November music

November songs
my story today

Vacation pictures offered if you click on songs, and my story today is a DYK hook from 13 years ago OTD: about the great music at one of my churches. Mozart's Requiem to come on Sunday, coupled with Arvo Pärt's Da pacem Domine. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:17, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

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Isie Smuts

Are you back? I need help with photos on her. See talk page. SusunW (talk) 17:52, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Back now, will look. --GRuban (talk) 15:01, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

Medea Amiranashvili

Medea Amiranashvili, soprano from Georgia, died, and I am looking around for references, for biography and music. I don't speak the language, and something in Georgian is the only reference for the Italian Wikipedia. I see surprisingly many YouTube videos but those can't be used. Any help? I hear her singing Verdi in Russian, - perhaps there are traces of reviews? -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:19, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: Found sources, clarified EN Wikipedia links, added inter-language-links; in short increased article size by a quarter or so. They're mostly obituaries, of course, but also found a beautiful long 2002 Russian language interview with her, that, unfortunately doesn't fit well in our encyclopedia format. It

Have you loved many times?

Yes, by nature I am affectionate and amorous. And the finale of my love stories was sad...

Were there any tragedies?

There were. Once I was very much in love and he, as they say, looked at another. I suffered a lot... But there were also joys. When you love, you sing with a special enthusiasm. One of my best parts - Leonora from "Il Trovatore." That's when I was in love and it was reflected in my singing.

Now for the bad news. That article picture? File:Medea Amiranashvili.jpg. It's from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1a11Mbo-VXo; and I don't see a Creative Commons license either there, or in the Internet Archive which took a snapshot on that same day that image was uploaded, December 3, 2023. I don't think it's a free image.

--GRuban (talk) 18:52, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

Want me to put the RU image there as Fair Use? --GRuban (talk) 19:24, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

Yes, please. - Thank you so much!! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:32, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

December: story · music · places

She's on! The image: I believe it would be better without the low cut-off hand. I'd like to explore some more areas: recordings (do we have the exact arias of the recording for which she was posing?) - operas - reviews - yt. I listened to this collection (perhaps the one mentioned before?) and wonder if it's free to be used in the article. It has more operas than we mention so far, are there other sources for them? (La forza del destino, Aida, Adriana Lecouvreur, Mindia, The Tsar's Bride, Iolanta, Tosca, Manon Lescaut) - I was especially impressed by the trovatore Leonora, - and now I understand why ;) - Sorry I was too tired after a good evening with choral music (click on music) and food for a longer reply yesterday. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:46, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: I cropped off the low cut-off hand from the image, hope this is what you meant. --GRuban (talk) 19:08, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

Exactly! Thank you! - I am no friend of overly long lead images anyway, and then this poor half hand ... - Is there any solid ref for some of the other roles mentioned? I can't use YouTube. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:08, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

My story today is about Michael Robinson, - it's an honour to have known him. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:58, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

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Today, I have a special story to tell, of the works of a musician born 300 years ago. Don't miss the pictured doggie! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:06, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

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