User talk:Dandielayla

September 2023

Hello, I'm Yoshi24517. I noticed that you made a change to an article, Ainsley Earhardt, but you didn't provide a source. I’ve removed it for now, but if you’d like to include a citation to a reliable source and re-add it, please do so! If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. Yoshi24517 (Chat) (Online) 20:34, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Can u plz don’t remove my edits, and I’m really sry if I messed up. I was fixing the infobox person of Ainsley Earhardt, and noticed her birth date and age wasn’t on there. Dandielayla (talk) 21:48, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Is there a part of the note there, the one that reads "Requires a WP:RS to be included", that you are unclear on? If so, allow me to be crystal-clear - do not add a date of birth for this (or any other, for that matter) unless you have a reliable source to validate that information. Zaathras (talk) 23:47, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Ya, and there is a part of the note that reads requires a WP:RS to be included. Oh ok 👌🏻, and I have a reliable source to validate the info. Dandielayla (talk) 01:08, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Please stop. If you continue to add unsourced or poorly sourced content, as you did at Ainsley Earhardt, you may be blocked from editing. Kcj5062 (talk) 11:56, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Oh ok 👌🏻, and I’ll stop editing her infobox person. I don’t want to be blocked from editing, and I’m really sry. I was trying to find a reliable source last night, and couldn’t find it. Can u plz fix the infobox of Ainsley Earhardt, and it was missing her birth date and age but the reliable source is hard to figure out. I’m new to it, and don’t know what a reliable source means on Wikipedia. Dandielayla (talk) 12:09, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Sorry. I didn't mean to sound harsh. Finding a source that's actually reliable is easier said than done. This situation is not unusual. While many sites contain a subject's DOB, the question is, "Are those sources reliable?" Because some are WP:USERGENERATED, which means anyone might have added the content. Some give no indication of the origin of their content. Some web scrape from other sites with no regard to the reliability or accuracy of that content. Wikipedia is supposed to provide content that (a) comes from reliable sources and (b) can be verified by checking with the cited sources. Failure to do so undermines the credibility of the particular article and, to some extent, the credibility of Wikipedia as a whole. Which is why Wikipedia doesn't simply allow just any thing that an editor comes across as a source. Some celebs have never actually publicly disclosed their DOB and because as already mentioned many sites web scrape without doing any fact checking, they end up having falsified DOBs online.

The above paragraph applies to all content on Wikipedia. but when an article is about a living person, an additional policy applies WP:DOB is clear: "Wikipedia includes full names and dates of birth that have been widely published by reliable sources or by sources linked to the subject such that it may reasonably be inferred that the subject does not object to the details being made public." The only way we editors can demonstrate such publication is by providing citations to reliable sources. As per WP:BLPPRIVACY there are only a couple acceptable options when it comes to WP:DOB. A truly reliable Secondary source(IE a magazine such as Los Angeles Times or New York Times. And preferably multiple of these) reporting their exact DOB. Or a social media post from the subject themselves where he or she confirms his or her birthday and preferably either his or her age or YOB in the same post as well. Failing either one of those, it should be kept out of the article for now. Kcj5062 (talk) 12:16, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

It’s fine, and oh ok 👌🏻. Thank u 🙏🏻 for explaining it to me, and I didn’t know what the reliable source was at first that’s why u kept taking off her birth date and age. I’m really sry, and can u plz help me find a reliable source so I can put her birth date and age? I don’t want to mess up again, and have u change it. Put September 20, 1976 (age 47) since her bday is today and I wasn’t trying to get blocked from editing. I wanted to put her birth date, and age without the WP:RS. Plz help me find a reliable source for Ainsley Earhardt birth date, and age. I wasn’t trying to be obsessed with it, and was fixing it bc most celebrities on Wikipedia have a birth date and age. Dandielayla (talk) 19:31, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

https://coopwb.in/info/how-old-is-ainsley-earhardt/#:~:text=Born%20on%20September%2020%2C%201976,been%20an%20inspiration%20to%20many.Is this a reliable source for her infobox person, and I searched Ainsley Earhardt birth date and age reliable source. Do I put WP:RS Coopwb.in/info/how-old-is-Ainsley-Earhardt/#:~:text=Born%20on%September%2020%2C%201976? Can I put her birth date and age on her infobox person, and what is infobox mean on Wikipedia? Dandielayla (talk) 20:45, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

EDIT: Public records also cannot be used as WP:BLPPRIMARY says, in part, "Do not use trial transcripts and other court records, or other public documents, to support assertions about a living person. Do not use public records that include personal details, such as date of birth, ..." That eliminates states' birth records and similar public documents from use as citations for date of birth in a BLP article. Sites like Ancestry and other genealogy usually have public documents and/or user-generated content. So neither qualifies for use in a WP citation.Kcj5062 (talk) 12:23, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Oh ok 👌🏻, and I won’t use any public records of her or court records. I was going to find a WP:RS of Ainsley Earhardt, and I almost gave up bc I didn’t wanted to get blocked from editing her infobox. Do u know any WP:RS of Ainsley Earhardt, and can I put her birth date and age on the infobox person? Thank u 🙏🏻 for also explaining the citation, and WP. How do I permanently put Ainsley Earhardt birth date, and age without the WP:RS if I can’t find a reliable source? Dandielayla (talk) 20:33, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

https://ainsley-earhardt-wikipedia.caroterrehappy.fr/ Is this a reliable source of Ainsley Earhardt, and it has her actual birth date and age. Plz let me put this on her infobox person, and don’t remove her birth date and age. I’m really sry, and this is really hard as I’m new to the WP:RS. I could put September 20, 1976 (age 47), and her WP:RS in her infobox person. I seen it only has her birthplace, and not her birth date and age. Can u plz put her birth date, and age? I tried finding a reliable source for her, and I think 🤔 this is a reliable source. Dandielayla (talk) 21:06, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you add unsourced or poorly sourced material to Wikipedia, as you did at Ainsley Earhardt. Kcj5062 (talk) 12:07, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Oh uh, and I don’t want them to block me from editing. I’m really sry, and plz fix the infobox person of Ainsley Earhardt. I was added the birth date, and age but couldn’t find a reliable source for it. Today is her bday, and she’s 47 now. Plz put September 20, 1976 (age 47), and the birthplace I accidentally took off. Dandielayla (talk) 12:13, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

You have been blocked from editing Ainsley Earhardt for a period of 48 hours for abuse of editing privileges. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions.

If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please review Wikipedia's guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text to the bottom of your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}.  Ponyo^{bons mots} 21:25, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

This block will provide you with enough time to actually read through and attempt to understand our policies regarding reliable sources and biography articles. You can't just keep throwing whatever websites you find online that show a date of birth without considering whether the website is a reliable source. If, after reviewing the policies, you still don't understand, you need to cease editing the article altogether.-- Ponyo^{bons mots} 21:25, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Oh ok 👌🏻, and I’m really sry. I couldn’t find a reliable source, and don’t think 🤔 I can find one of her. I understand what I did was wrong, and sry I tried to fix the infobox person of Ainsley Earhardt. It used to have her birth date, and age on Wikipedia before they took it off. Plz accept this apology, and I was new to Wikipedia. It was an accident that I edited her infobox person, and plz put her birth date and age. But leave the Spartanburg South Carolina US on there, and I feel really bad 😔. I felt really stupid for editing her infobox person, and I notified her birth date and age wasn’t on Ainsley Earhardt’s infobox. I wasn’t trying to be mean to her article, and was trying to help fix the infobox. I was going to make her birth date, and age permanent but found out it didn’t work without having a WP:RS. Dandielayla (talk) 22:44, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Oh ok 👌🏻, and I’m really sry. I couldn’t find a reliable source, and don’t think 🤔 I can find one of her. I understand what I did was wrong, and sry I tried to fix the infobox person of Ainsley Earhardt. It used to have her birth date, and age on Wikipedia before they took it off. Plz accept this apology, and I was new to Wikipedia. It was an accident that I edited her infobox person, and plz put her birth date and age. But leave the Spartanburg South Carolina US on there, and I feel really bad 😔. I felt really stupid for editing her infobox person, and I noticed her birth date and age wasn’t on Ainsley Earhardt’s infobox. I wasn’t trying to be mean to her article, and was trying to help fix the infobox. I was going to make her birth date, and age permanent but found out it didn’t work without having a WP:RS. Dandielayla (talk) 22:46, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Oh ok 👌🏻, and what is 48 hours? How long does the block last for, and I wanted u guys to put her birth date and age yesterday. Why do I need a reliable source for her birthday, and age? I’m really sry, and I didn’t mean to do it. Plz accept my apology, and when can I be unblocked? Dandielayla (talk) 12:18, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at Ainsley Earhardt. Your edits appear to be disruptive and have been or will be reverted.

• If you are engaged in an article content dispute with another editor, please discuss the matter with the editor at their talk page, or the article's talk page, and seek consensus with them. Alternatively, you can read Wikipedia's dispute resolution page, and ask for independent help at one of the relevant noticeboards.
• If you are engaged in any other form of dispute that is not covered on the dispute resolution page, please seek assistance at Wikipedia's Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents.

Please ensure you are familiar with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, and please do not continue to make edits that appear disruptive. Continued disruptive editing may result in loss of editing privileges. The link is still poorly inserted. At this point, I suggest you stop editing her article completely before you are indefinitely blocked. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 14:37, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

Oh ok 👌🏻, and I will seek assistance from Wikipedia’s administrators’ noticeboard/incident. I was in a content dispute, and will ask for help at the relevant noticeboards. I’m really sry, and thank u 🙏🏻 for explaining it to me. I’m going to stop editing her article, and her infobox. I thought it was a reliable source at first, and was trying to fix Ainsley Earhardt’s infobox so it can automatically put her birth date, and birth year. I wasn’t trying to be mean to u, and her article. I will try to refrain from editing her article, and infobox. I didn’t know my edits were disruptive, and not reliable. Plz accept my apology, and I won’t do it again unless Wikipedia finally put her birth date, and age and year like most celebrities have. Dandielayla (talk) 15:27, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you disrupt Wikipedia, as you did at Mickey's Very Merry Christmas Party. You have not provided a source of the end date. Moreover, that is not how you insert an image. You cannot just link the image from an external website and insert it here. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 04:21, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Oh ok, and I didn’t know that. Wikipedia suggested to edit Mickey’s Very Merry Christmas Party, and I tried to find the source for the end date. How do I insert an image, and I also tried inserting an image but couldn’t figure out what size image it was. I’m sry, and the Mickey’s Very Merry Christmas Party was a little tricky. Dandielayla (talk) 11:14, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

• Hi again, Dandielayla. I'm gutted that you got fully blocked. I saw where you commented that people weren't replying to your replies, so I felt bad not saying anything, but I don't know what advice to give you at this point except to sit down and read up on the rules, and also look at what people said in their edit summaries when they reverted you. Meanwhile, I'm putting this here because at Mickey's Very Merry Christmas Party, you tried to add an image. That's really hard to do: first it has to be uploaded (or you have to find one on Wikimedia Commons, the shared image site that all the different-language Wikipedias draw from), then you have to figure out the syntax for adding it, which is different inside and outside the infobox, AND (caps for emphasis) the image has to be copyright-free, or else for something like a movie poster, album cover, or still from a TV show, you have to upload it to Wikipedia (not Commons) and fill out a legal statement of how it's permitted under our very strict fair use policy. I'm afraid that's not covered by updating, which is what the tags ask you to do at that article; and the picture you tried to add is from this Disney page, so it would be a copyright violation. Instead, that would have been a good page to use as a reference to update the article with what's happening in 2023. (I think you misunderstood about end date; as the article already says, they were planning to hold the event again in 2022.)
  Anyway, you're blocked, and I'm very sorry to see it As I say, I don't know what advice to give you except to read up on policy (does this set of beginner guides help?) and look again at why your edits were reverted. Yngvadottir (talk) 09:45, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

  It’s fine, and I know I’m blocked but don’t know how long I will be blocked for. I’m really sorry for everything I touch, and ruin. I know I’m not good yet, and trying to be a good editor. It takes a lot of time, and thought. I’m really sad that I’m still blocked from editing, and won’t be able to fix things until I’m unblocked which I did an unblock request but wasn’t sure if they reviewed it. Dandielayla (talk) 11:22, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Ainsley Earhardt birthday and age WP:RS

Hi everyone, I wanted to start off by saying I’m really sry to those I made upset 😔 and mad 😠. I didn’t know any reliable sources for Ainsley Earhardt’s birthday and age, and I tried to put a reliable source but couldn’t find any. Wikipedia used to have her birthday, and age along with her name on her infobox. Plz put her birthday, and age on her infobox. Her birth date is September 20, 1976 and her age is now 47 as her birthday is today. I wasn’t trying to be mean to her article, and was trying to fix her infobox. U guys used to have her birth date, and age without a reliable source. All of a sudden I’m blocked for fixing her infobox person, and I’m sry for editing her page. Plz accept my apology, and as I’m new to the WP:RS stuff. I joined Wikipedia yesterday, and now no one wants to help me find a reliable source for Ainsley Earhardt’s birthday, and age. I feel really bad 😔, and stupid. Wikipedia should have kept her name on the infobox, her birth date, and her age before but now they took it off. Thank u 🙏🏻 to every person who has tried to help me find a reliable source for Ainsley Earhardt, and I’m really sry for editing her Wikipedia. Dandielayla (talk) 23:40, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Dandielayla, your responses lead me to believe you're really not ready to be editing Wikipedia. You don't seem to be able to understand our core policies and basic guidelines, at all. Your inability to understand what 48 hours means in "You have been blocked from editing Ainsley Earhardt for a period of 48 hours"' from my block message is concerning. It may be best for you to hold back from editing Wikipedia until you have more competence to do so.-- Ponyo^{bons mots} 19:51, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Oh ok 👌🏻, and I’m really sry. I didn’t know that, and I read most of the guidelines when I was at work earlier. I tried to understand some of them, and comprehend all of it. I understand why I was blocked from editing, and was going to let u guys fix her infobox instead since I can’t find a reliable source. I wasn’t trying to be mean, and I’m still new to Wikipedia. Dandielayla (talk) 03:55, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Dandielayla, did you try to add the birth date to the article again while logged out of your account?-- Ponyo^{bons mots} 15:48, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

No, and I didn't. I'm really sry, and I didn't want to get blocked again. Dandielayla (talk) 17:08, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

That's fine, If you say it wasn't you then I believe you.-- Ponyo^{bons mots} 17:11, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Ya, and it wasn't me. Thank u, and I was going to let Wikipedia put her birth date, and age instead. Her birth date is September 20, 1976 and her age is 47. Can they put in her birth date, and age so I don't get blocked or mess up? Dandielayla (talk) 17:26, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

No one is going to put that date in because the date isn't "widely published by reliable sources" which is required for it to be included. If, some day, the date is published in reliable sources, it will be added. -- Ponyo^{bons mots} 17:30, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Oh ok, and awwwwwwww man. I found a few reliable sources, and think they put it in but didn't read the article. I can read the article, and see if it has her birthdate. Do I put WP:RS in the info box when I find a reliable source? I was just wondering, and I don't want to mess up again if I picked the wrong source. I can show u what sources I found, and I think they're reliable. I will make sure it has her birthdate, and verify if It's the right one. I know for a fact it's September 20, 1976, and her age is 47 but I will make sure it's the right birthdate. Plz accept my apology, and I'm still learning reliable sources and verifiability. I actually took the time to read both articles of reliable sources, and verifiability. Thank u for explaining it to me, and I wasn't trying to be mean. Dandielayla (talk) 17:53, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

You can show me the sources, but I think you need to just let this go.-- Ponyo^{bons mots} 17:57, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Oh ok 👌🏻, and I will. https://marriedbiography.com/ainsley-earhardt-biography/ This one I think 🤔 is reliable, and https://biographymask.com/ainsley-earhardt/ this one that I also found. It has her real birthdate, and age. I’m still looking to see if there’s any more, and I will copy the link. https://wikibio.us/ainsley-earhardt/ I found 3 so far that has her actual birth date, and age. I fact checked each article, and see if it was reliable. https://www.fresherslive.com/latest/articles/ainsley-earhardt-net-worth-1000019088 This article is also the latest, and so far it has her actual birth date and age. If u want I can go through, and see if it’s still reliable. I can try to let it go but it’s really hard, and most celebrities have real birth dates and ages on Wikipedia. Dandielayla (talk) 20:31, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

None of those links are remotely reliable sources. I'm no longer asking; you must not edit any biographies on Wikipedia as you do not currently have the necessary skills to contribute productively. -- Ponyo^{bons mots} 20:36, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Oh ok 👌🏻, and I will stop editing. I’m really sry, and I guess I’m a failure at this. I failed everything I touch, and failed every sources that I find that are reliable but are not. I guess I will never find a reliable source for Ainsley Earhardt, and may gave up since I can’t find a reliable source. I tried, and tried but apparently Google doesn’t have much reliable sources for her. This makes me so sad 😔, and I feel really bad bc I just wanted to help her article. Plz accept my apology, and as I’m a failure and still new to the reliable sources. I tried looking, and looking but started crying 😢 last night bc I wanted to give up but knew I couldn’t. Thank u 🙏🏻 for trying to help, and I appreciate u helping me. For now I will keep looking for reliable sources but won’t edit anything, and disrupt her article. Dandielayla (talk) 20:47, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Editing Wikipedia is not easy, and not everyone who wants to edit is able to do so constructively. You'll get there one day, just not yet. Good luck.-- Ponyo^{bons mots} 20:52, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

I know, and I feel like a failure. They already put the lock on Ainsley Earhardt, and I didn’t edit her article. Thank u 🙏🏻 so much, and I agree. I will get there, and it’s not easy for my editing bc I’ve done it before. This time it’s harder, and bc it’s a really big celebrity. Ainsley Earhardt is a little tricky to get reliable sources from, and there’s so many articles of her but not sure 🤔 if it’s reliable. I got this from the help of u guys, and maybe myself if I had the smarts to know what a reliable source was. I kinda feel bad 😔, and sad 😢 bc I’m never good ☺️ or feel like there’s no good articles about her birthdate and age. I will keep trying to find articles, and maybe I can show u if u want. I just don’t want to feel like I failed, and or a failure bc editing an article is a little hard. Thank u 🙏🏻 for the good luck, and I will let u know if I find anymore reliable sources for her. Since there’s a lock on the edit button, and I didn’t touch it I’m going to keep searching reliable sources for Ainsley Earhardt. Can I still edit now, and I’m really sry for being mean to u and her article if I was. Im trying to make her birthdate, and age permanent so that I don’t have to look for reliable sources. Dandielayla (talk) 21:17, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/20/playbook-birthday-ainsley-earhardt-242914 I also found politico is a reliable source bc I see it on tv sometimes on the news, and her birthdate is actually on the article itself. I hope this one is reliable as I’m new to looking for reliable sources, and I looked up what reliable means so I remember what I’m looking for. Plz accept me for being new, and I’m not trying to be mean to u or her article. This is really hard, and I’ve been really sad 😔. I don’t want to feel like I’m a failure, and think 🤔 I failed bc I have edited before but not like this. This is the 1st time looking for reliable sources, and it takes time. I know it’s not easy, and can be really tricky but I got this reliable sources done good ☺️ since u explained what each article on Wikipedia was. Do I put WP:RS if u find this article reliable, and or put WP:RS DOB? Im really sry, and I’m also not used to the WP:RS when I read the articles u gave me yesterday. I read all of them last night, and started crying 😢. Dandielayla (talk) 21:28, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

That is a reliable source, but only regarding September 20th being her day and month of birth, but not the year. Editing Wikipedia should never make you sad or make you cry; if your feeling that way, you need to stop editing.-- Ponyo^{bons mots} 21:33, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Oh ok 👌🏻, and her birth year is 1976. They should’ve put that in the article, and I finally found a reliable source. Now I know it’s not easy finding reliable sources, and I feel better. I just need her birth year, and I could put the WP:RS in the article. Do I put WP:RS next to the politico article, and should I add that in the infobox? Dandielayla (talk) 22:23, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

https://www.instagram.com/p/Cxa3oHTOSLS/ Her Instagram has her birthday, and the year is 1976 bc I fact checked it from previous sources. Can I put WP:RS for this source, and in the article? Is it a reliable source, and that’s the source of her Instagram. Do I put the birth year in the infobox, and since the articles I have showed u has the birth year? I was just wondering, and I’m really sry. Dandielayla (talk) 22:49, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

https://meaww.com/fox-friends-host-ainsley-earhardt-celebrates-her-birthday-on-set-with-co-hosts-as-she-turns-47 I found the year she was born, and found out this is a reliable source. The article says Ainsley Earhardt celebrates her birthday on set with co hosts as she turns 47, and I fact checked it to see if it had the birth year since u said that was what’s missing. It also said born in 1976, and has the day it was published which is September 20, 2023. Should I put WP:RS in the infobox, and they haven’t accepted the reliable source that I did earlier yet. I’m going to wait to put this link that I found, and see if anyone responds tmr. Dandielayla (talk) 01:50, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

https://meaww.com/fox-friends-host-ainsley-earhardt-celebrates-her-birthday-on-set-with-co-hosts-as-she-turns-47 This source has her birth year, and the day she was born which is September 20, 1976. She turned 47, and I fact checked the article. Ainsley Earhardt confirmed her birthdate in her Instagram post, and in this article that I found. It’s a reliable source, and I don’t think 🤔 u accepted the last link that I put in the infobox bc it hasn’t had her birth date and age yet. No one hasn’t respond yet, and I hate to put this article in the infobox person for Ainsley Earhardt, and they don’t accept it bc it doesn’t have her birth year which it does have her birth year. It says born in 1976, and she turns 47. I’m really sry for the inconvenience, and thank u 🙏🏻. Dandielayla (talk) 12:27, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

https://news.yahoo.com/amphtml/happy-birthday-ainsley-earhardt-131327508.html I also found another reliable source for Ainsley Earhardt, and Yahoo news is reliable bc I see it on my laptop sometimes. It has her birthdate on the article, and the day it was published which was 5 years ago. I know it may not work, and u can tell it has to be a reliable one or u may not accept it. Plz accept this one, and do I put WP:RS if this is a reliable source? Thank u 🙏🏻, and I’m really sry. Dandielayla (talk) 21:32, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

@Dandielayla: Just looking at the URL, it seems like it's okay. Looking actually at the website, it looks like the source comes from the show Fox & Friends, which isn't considered a reliable source per Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources, so I wouldn't use that as a source. If you're wondering whether something is a reliable source or not, I would look down the list of Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources and see if it seems to be reliable or not, then ask here (and also read WP:RS and WP:PRIMARY) Also, it's not easy to edit Wikipedia, and everybody makes mistakes in doing it. I'm constantly making mistakes with editing it, but I'm also constantly learning a lot. What I would do if I were you is put some distance between yourself and any areas that you're having problems with editing, and ask for help in editing them or just learn about them until you feel confident enough that you can do it on your own. Happy Editing! ‍ ‍ Relativity ‍ ‍ 04:26, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

@Relativity The FaF clip doesn't work for me, but if it clearly states a full DOB, I think it's acceptable per WP:DOB as in "or by sources linked to the subject such that it may reasonably be inferred that the subject does not object to the details being made public." Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:39, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång

I checked Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources and it has Fox News talk shows listed as unreliable. Which includes Fox & Friends. It says for sources that are generally unreliable to not use it for information about a living person and if even the source is valid, it's preferred to find a more reliable one. Kcj5062 (talk) 17:47, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

RSP also says "Context matters tremendously, and some sources may or may not be suitable for certain uses depending on the situation." If she states her age on the show she's on, IMO that's fine for WP:DOB. But again, I haven't seen the clip. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:11, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Oh ok, and awwwwwwww man. I’m really sry, and I didn’t know that. I think I watched the clip before one time, and she said her age to her colleagues. Brian, and Steve were there with her at the time. Dandielayla (talk) 18:17, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

If the clip you all are referring to is the one from that Yahoo link, you can watch it here.[1]

In it they get a call from Ainsley's father and he says she's 50. Obviously he was joking around here. But Ainsley's actual age isn't mentioned here. Kcj5062 (talk) 18:29, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Haha, and that’s really funny. That would be really hilarious if they get a call from Ainsley’s father, and mother. She lost her mother Dale last year on October 22, 2022 and I know her actual age wasn’t in the article. I’m really sry, and I’m really glad u watched the link. Dandielayla (talk) 18:49, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Rough start?

Try not to be discouraged. WP:BOLD is how we learn stuff, and "we" (the Wikipedia hive-mind) know that everybody has to start somewhere, and trying to edit and then listen and talk if challenged is how you learn how this place works.

Wikipedia has a few areas where the "rules" are pretty strict, and they include living people and American politics. So, and aren't you lucky, you started with Ainsley Earhardt who falls in both areas!

So, don't give up, keep listening, editing and learning. This place can actually be fun. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:59, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank u so much, and I appreciate all the love I’m getting here. Ya, and I agree. I could put the link for her birthday post on her Instagram, and put WP:RS and her DOB since I understand the birth date and age part. I’m really sry, and I wasn’t trying to be mean to her article. Dandielayla (talk) 18:09, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Dandielayla, please don't add the date of birth again. The discussion at the Reliable sources noticeboard shows that you haven't found a source that Wikipedia considers reliable, and experienced editors are saying there that she probably wants to keep the year private. Don't feel bad, but you should stop trying to add it. Also, there's something you don't seem to understand, and maybe I can help to sort it out for your future editing. RS is our shorthand for "reliable source", and adding a "RS" means adding a citation to a reliable source. (WP:RS is a link to a page explaining what we consider a reliable source.) So what you need to do when you add new information to an article is include a citation, a reference. You've instead been adding a link to the policy, like in this edit where you added a link to WP:BLP. This edit was better, because you put the link to the Instagram post; but as you've now been told, the Instagram post is not a reliable source for the full birthdate. (Also you need to make it a footnote; see Help:VisualEditor#Adding a new reference.) Is that a bit clearer now about "adding a RS"? If you do find a good source on her date of birth, like an interview in a magazine where she says "I was 25 yesterday" or something, then I suggest you post it at Talk:Ainsley Earhardt first. But like Gråbergs Gråa Sång says, courage! We all started somewhere, and we have all made blunders and got into disagreements. Try looking at other articles about things and people you're interested in and seeing whether there's something marked as needing a reference that you can add a reliable source for, or a missing fact that you can find a reference for so that you can add it. Just remember that a missing date of birth for a living person is quite ok, for their privacy. Yngvadottir (talk) 22:13, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Ya, and that makes it more clearer. Thank u so much for explaining it to me, and I really appreciate all the love. I will not put the date of birth again, and try to find a reliable source for her saying I was what her age would have been. Oh ok, and now I know what RS means. If I find a reliable source for her saying the age then I could put RS in the infobox, and put WP which means Wikipedia. It does take a lot of courage, and thought but also patience. I’m really sry, and I understand what I’m looking for. I can try to find a reliable source of her actual age, and see if that works now that the Instagram link doesn’t work or is not reliable. Dandielayla (talk) 00:16, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Oh good, I'm glad that helped! Since there's been a lot of discussion, including on the article talk page, I strongly suggest that if you do find what you think might be a good enough source, post first on the article talk page (Talk:Ainsley Earhardt) asking people whether it's a good enough source. Then you can be sure. Sound like a plan? Yngvadottir (talk) 00:48, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Ya, and sounds like a really good plan. Although someone indefinitely blocked from editing her page so I may have to get an appeal for them to unblock me, and I understand now what to look for. Thank u for helping me, and for the tips. When I find a really good reliable source I will link it on her talk page, and see if they think it’s good enough source oh ok 👌🏻, and I will try to find a really good reliable source to post on her talk page. Dandielayla (talk) 01:20, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Look again; you've only been blocked from editing the Ainsley Earhardt article itself. You can edit absolutely anywhere else, including the AN/I discussion (I'm sorry, I didn't realise you hadn't seen that section on this page; I keep forgetting everything looks different on mobile). Cullen328 pointed out in his message that you can still edit the article talk page to make suggestions citing reliable sources. If you want to appeal, what you're appealing is a partial block from the page itself. But you can still edit the talk page, or anywhere else on Wikipedia, for example if you want to try finding a source for something in another article. Yngvadottir (talk) 02:48, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Oh ok, and it’s fine. I didn’t know that, and I was trying to appeal for a partial block which they declined it bc I didn’t put enough description. Thank u, and I’m sry I didn’t know at first. How can I appeal for a partial block, and I didn’t mean to edit her page. Dandielayla (talk) 02:58, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

A partial block means you can't edit certain pages: in your case, you've been blocked just from editing the Ainsley Earhardt article. It's "partial" because you can edit the whole rest of the site (including the article talk page). A full block would prevent you from editing anything except this page, your personal talk page. I think you're getting confused over "indefinite", which refers to the length of time of the block: some blocks are time-limited (they expire after a certain length of time), but indefinite blocks last until the blocked editor gets unblocked by an admin, usually after they make a successful unblock request using the template. It's important to note that; "indefinite" doesn't mean "forever", it just means it's up to you to convince the admins (they check a category for user talk pages with open unblock appeals). I looked for a simple guide to blocks to put a link here, but only found a page with lots and lots of rules and guidelines, aimed in part at admins. The guide to appealing blocks that is linked in the block template is actually clearer.

You're very new and some of this is confusing. What's a reliable source, why we sometimes don't include a date of birth, partial blocks, indefinite blocks .... Here's my advice to you at this time. (a) Wait a while before you ask to be unblocked again, until you have a bit more practice and understanding of how we do things. (b) If you find what you believe to be a reliable source for Earhardt's date of birth, post to the article talk page like we were discussing above. You can still do that, and it's a way to demonstrate that you want to work within our rules. (c) Look at other articles about things that interest you, and see if you can find a reliable source for something, maybe something that has "citation needed" after it. That's a good way to get familiar with what kinds of sources are reliable (as well as with making a footnote), and it's another way to demonstrate that you want to help and are getting better at doing so. (d) You can then make another unblock request; some useful work on articles (whether or not you find a reliable source for her birthdate to post on the talk page; there may not be one) will help you get unblocked by showing that you have been making helpful edits. (d) We have a place for new editors to ask for help from experienced editors, and those who volunteer there are good at explaining our rules and not just giving links. Nobody there will give you a hard time about not understanding how we do things and getting confused by our abbreviations. WP:TEAHOUSE is the link. Yngvadottir (talk) 08:18, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Oh ok, and thank u so much for explaining it to me. I really appreciate it, and I will wait to be unblocked again since they didn’t accept my unblock request. How long should I wait for the admin to unblock me, and what should I tell them when I explain why I want to be unblocked? I’m really sry for getting confused, and I tried editing one of the suggested pages instead. It kinda worked, and I would need a lot of practice before I can edit Earhardt’s article again. Dandielayla (talk) 11:17, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Also, Dandielayla,try using the "preview" function before publishing your edit. You can read over what you changed to make sure the grammar makes sense, no repeated words, and that it's an improvement over what was there before. Cerulean Depths (talk) 00:01, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Oh ok, and I will try the preview function. I didn’t know it had that, and I will read over what I changed. Dandielayla (talk) 00:26, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

ANI Notice

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Zaathras (talk) 20:54, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Oh ok, and I just now seen it. This makes me feel really bad, and mad bc I’m still learning. I will cease on the apologizing part if I have to bc I really don’t mean to make ppl upset, and for them to think I’m obsessed with her article I’m not. I’m just trying to fix it so that it’s permanent, and I don’t have to go through this again. I understand I need to read everything about the biographies of living persons, and not edit her page unless I find a really good reliable source. Now I found out I’m indefinitely blocked from editing, and someone said I shouldn’t give up. I don’t know what to think at this point, and ppl hate when I mess up her article bc then they revert it back to just her birthplace. I say sry bc I don’t mean to mess up, and not trying to be mean to her or u guys. At first I was feeling loved, and now I’m feel hated on bc they say it’s not reliable enough or I’m not doing it right. Thank u for helping me, and for the tips on editing. Dandielayla (talk) 00:47, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

September 2023

Due to persistent addition of unreferenced or poorly referenced date of birth content, you have been indefinitely blocked from editing Ainsley Earhardt. You can make formal well referenced edit requests at Talk: Ainsley Earhardt. Please read the Guide to appealing blocks. Please familiarize yourself with the special policy restrictions regarding biographies of living people. Cullen328 (talk) 22:35, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Oh ok, and awwwwwwww man. I know I constantly say sry, and I’m still learning at the same time with editing. I know what I did was wrong, and this is the last time I will say sry bc I didn’t mean to do it. Now, I’m indefinitely blocked and I can’t do anymore editing. I understand the rules of WP:RS, and someone said it takes courage. They also said don’t give up, and I will consider reading the biographies of living persons. I could appeal my block, and I don’t know if I should now bc u guys may block me again if I mess up again. I understand why u blocked me again, and will stop editing her article until I find a really good reliable source. I have said in the past that I was stupid, and use a lot emojis but I ceased on the emoji part. Plz accept my apology, and I will try to be a better editor. Dandielayla (talk) 00:38, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

== :

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

Dandielayla (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

---

Request reason:

Insert your reason to be unblocked here Dandielayla (talk) 02:22, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Decline reason:

Your current block does not in any way stop you from doing what you propose below. --jpgordon^{𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇} 02:50, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

---

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

==

My constructive edits would be to find reliable sources, and show what sources I think would be reliable to u guys. I would also have the reliable sources that I find of Ainsley Earhardt’s date of birth and age to u guys to see if it’s good enough to put on her infobox. I would let u guys put her reliable source, and the DOB for Ainsley Earhardt’s article. I would also find the right birth year in the reliable source, and show it to my talk page. I didn’t mean to edit her page, and her article. Dandielayla (talk) 02:22, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Partial block from editing Ainsley Earhardt’s article

My constructive edits would be to find reliable sources, and show what sources I think would be reliable to u guys. I would also have the reliable sources that I find of Ainsley Earhardt’s date of birth and age to u guys to see if it’s good enough to put on her infobox. I would let u guys put her reliable source, and the DOB for Ainsley Earhardt’s article. I would also find the right birth year in the reliable source, and show it to my talk page. I didn’t mean to edit her page, and her article. How long does the partial block last, and will I be able to edit again after the block? Dandielayla (talk) 03:09, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

I don't even know if you realized but you have been blocked indefinitely from editing her article. You are no longer able to edit her article unless your block is appealed. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 03:18, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Oh ok, and awwwwwwwww man. I didn’t know that, and I thought it was a partial block. They didn’t appeal my block, and I got declined. Dandielayla (talk) 03:28, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

Dandielayla (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

---

Request reason:

Insert your reason to be unblocked here Dandielayla (talk) 09:16, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Decline reason:

"Insert your reason to be unblocked here" is not a reason to remove the partial block. Please place a new request in the larger edit window, not the smaller section header window. 331dot (talk) 09:51, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

---

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

Poorly sourced articles, and repeated edits on an article. Dandielayla (talk) 09:16, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Indefinitely blocked from editing Ainsley Earhardt’s article

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

Dandielayla (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

---

Request reason:

original unblock reason

Decline reason:

Please read and thoroughly understand WP:GAB before making another empty unblock request. Additionally, stop spamming requests elsewhere on the site, such as you did here, among other places. It's inappropriate and indicates your block should be extended site-wide. Yamla (talk) 12:58, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

---

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

can u plz unblock me, and I believe I didn’t do anything wrong but made a couple errors on my editing. I’m sry if I made u guys upset, and mad. I was trying to fix her infobox but couldn’t find really good reliable sources for her, and I won’t give up on editing bc I have other suggested articles. I know what I did was wrong, and I didn’t mean to edit her infobox. I’m still new to Wikipedia, and they suggest I make a larger review on why I should be unblocked. Dandielayla (talk) 12:43, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

I strongly suggest you just give up on editing Ainsley Earhardt directly and stop making unblock requests before you get yourself blocked further. I'd even go so far as to suggest you stay away from the talk page on Earhardt or any discussion of her and especially her DoB. Instead go and edit these other articles you want to edit. AFAICT, you haven't made a single edit that isn't related to this in some way (I'm including asking about sources and asking about being unblocked in that broad category). Nil Einne (talk) 17:53, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

I agree with Nil Einne. If you keep this up, you'll likely just end up getting yourself blocked from making any edits at all on Wikipedia. Including being blocked from editing your own talk page. Kcj5062 (talk) 18:48, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Ya, and u guys are right. I should stop editing her page, and article. I will start editing suggested things instead, and practice more. Thank u for the suggestion, and I’m going to give up on editing. I agree with u guys, and finally I will give up on her article. I’m really sry for all the confusion I caused, and everything. I don’t want to keep this up, and want to edit suggested articles. Dandielayla (talk) 19:37, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Oh ok, and I will stop editing and give up. Thank u for the strong suggestions, and I agree. I will stop editing her page, and article. That’s a great idea, and I will start editing suggested things. I don’t want to end up in a really bad block so I will only edit suggested articles instead, and I’m really sry. Dandielayla (talk) 19:33, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Inappropriate editing

Hello, I'm Yamla. I wanted to let you know that one or more external links you added to St Peter's Church, Lübeck have been removed because they seemed to be inappropriate for an encyclopedia. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page, or take a look at our guidelines about links. Thank you. --Yamla (talk) 21:38, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi, and oh ok. I didn’t know that, and that one was a really hard edit. I have been editing other articles as well, and ur welcome. Dandielayla (talk) 21:40, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

You also seem to have continued your problems with unsourced or poorly sourced edits. That must stop immediately. Please thoroughly familiarise yourself with WP:RS and WP:CITE before continuing. --Yamla (talk) 21:39, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Oh ok, and I will also stop editing immediately. I’m really sry, and I will stop editing if u want. I’m still learning, and will stop for right now. Dandielayla (talk) 21:41, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Please, please stop using textspeak like "sry" and "u". Use the extra keystrokes to spell out the full words. We are adult professionals here. - Julietdeltalima (talk) 17:25, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Not every contributor is an adult, and some of our strongest like Emily Temple-Wood were 14 when they became admins.

Pls dnt police other ppls language. We have a global userbase of neurodiverse contributors. Everyone is free to express themselves and communicate in the manner most comfortable for them. Toleration is vitally important. There is no need to nitpick perceived linguistic "quality" outside Main space. thx & have a gr8 day! -- dsprc ^[talk] 20:27, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

That is incorrect advice, @Dsprc:, never give that out again. competence is required, and this is not a social media site. We're not here to make friends, or to coddle textspeak addicts. If someone cannot utilize grown-up words and converse in complete, properly structured sentences, then they need to rethink their contributions to the project. Zaathras (talk) 21:38, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

@Zaathras Nah, I'll keep being tolerant, inclusive, and not lording superiority complexes over others. I stand by every word written, as they are absolutely correct. We don't get to dictate how people express themselves. So long as we can comprehend what is being communicated, and the individual is effectively expressing required and pertinent information in a non-disruptive manner(!): it doesn't matter how they do it. Doesn't matter if someone writes "thx" in Talk, or if it's broken English belted from Bangalore; so long as Main space isn't getting borked, makes no difference. This isn't really the place for such discussion, however – my talk page is there ->> kthxbai! -- dsprc ^[talk] 22:06, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

I’m really glad you guys are working this out in a non disruptive manner as I’m still navigating being blocked from editing, and this is going to be a long block until I learn how to edit in a non disruptive manner. I’m really sorry if I hurt any articles, and I was starting to get the hang of things. Now since I’m still a newcomer, and newbie I was wondering how long indefinite is? I completely messed up, and made everyone upset bc I’m not editing good or I’m not doing it right. This makes me really sad, and upset bc you guys kinda said I did good but now I got indefinitely blocked for editing. Thank u for working this out, and for being nice to me. I know it’s never easy but I’m still learning everyday, and I will try to do better after my block expires if it does. I learned a really good lesson on editing articles, and how other people interact on my page. I feel very sad, and unwanted since my IP address has been blocked. Dandielayla (talk) 22:38, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

I’m really glad u guys are leaving me out bc I feel really left out, and unwanted here. Every time I reply u guys don’t reply back to me, and I know I’m indefinitely blocked bc they feel I make bad edits or not good enough. I was trying to edit the suggested articles, and not Earhardt’s article bc it has a lock still. I walked away from her article, and finally listened to ur advice but u indefinitely blocking me in not going to help me from not making disruptive editing. Dandielayla (talk) 23:49, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the heads up, and I didn’t know I have to use full words. I wasn’t trying to be mean, and I’m really sorry. I just feel really bad, and upset now that I can’t edit anymore. I was starting to get the hang of it, and now I can’t edit other articles that are suggested. I know how to copy edit, and proof read the sentences to make sure it’s spelled correctly. The only thing I need to work on is the citations, and knowing what’s reliable or not. I feel unwanted on here, and feel like I’m not good bc I got indefinitely blocked off of everything. I don’t know what else to do on Wikipedia bc they blocked me from copy editing, and actually editing other articles that I see that is suggested. I seen the back and forth u guys were doing on one of my talk pages, and wanted to say I’m sorry if I keep messing up. Dandielayla (talk) 20:36, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Oh okay, and I didn’t know that. I’m also an adult as well, and just turned 22 a couple of days ago. I will start using full words, and be more professional. Dandielayla (talk) 20:31, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Hey there, Dandielayla, I see some potential in you. Apologies do not carry much weight if the way you edit do not change, you know. I see a few good faith edits that you have made that, in my opinion, is better for Wikipedia, such as this edit. If you can make a good unblock request and avoid some pages, as well as not spamming links in articles, you would be a good contributor. Thank you for reading this message. Wikiexplorationandhelping (talk) 03:46, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, but that addition is not a good one. Yamla was right to revert it, and I've gone ahead and reverted your reintroduction of it.

few things are more terrifying than being forced to look the source of your fear directly in the eye is a coherent clause. few things are more terrifying than being forced to look into the source of your fear directly in the eye is not. Setting aside the fact that the whole plot section on that page needs to be rewritten, as it reads like someone's book report and not a wikivoice description of the plot.

Dandielayla may have some potential—may—but it's clear the last thing they need is to be told that some of their detrimental edits are in fact good. See below, where they consider your comment here to mean they were "praised for editing good". 2600:1700:87D3:3460:5050:1B67:23D2:49A3 (talk) 07:18, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

It’s fine, and oh okay. I’m really sorry, and I didn’t know that. I will do better next time if my block expires, and I can’t redo it bc I’m still blocked sadly. I feel bad, and want to be a really good contributor. Dandielayla (talk) 11:20, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

It's okay — I know you really do want to help improve Wikipedia, and it can be really overwhelming to learn all the guidelines and standards expected of editors!

While it says "Once the block has expired" below, the block was indefinite which means it won't expire automatically. That doesn't mean it's a forever block, it just means that you need to be able to show that you can be trusted to contribute in a less (unintentionally) disruptive way before you can be unblocked.

A couple suggestions:

1. Read this overall introduction to editing on Wikipedia.

2. Under the section of this page that reads "Topic-specific introductions", read through all the different pages linked (the ones that begin with "Introduction to").

3. Go through the overview page of the Manual of Style — or just refer to it whenever you make a relevant edit. Some of the errors you've run into so far relate to wiki formatting, but some relate to grammar/punctuation/etc. This is a useful source for learning what's expected in that regard on Wikipedia.

I can't speak for any of the people who get to decide whether or not to unblock you, but I think showing that you've gotten a better grasp of editing standards on here can only help. If you do get unblocked at any point, I'd also suggest spending some time (as in days, not hours or minutes) familiarizing yourself with wiki formatting and the editing interface by making edits to the sandbox, which is a special page where everyone can practice editing without any of the consequences of messing up formatting on an actual article, before editing articles again. 2600:1700:87D3:3460:5050:1B67:23D2:49A3 (talk) 11:52, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Oh okay, and thank u so much for the tips. I will read everything u suggested, and practice editing in the sandbox before editing articles again. I didn’t know my block was indefinite, and my hurt my feelings when they did that bc I really was trying but wasn’t good enough. I will also read the links u gave me, and practice editing without messing up or fear of getting reverted every time I touch an article. I did ruin every article I touch, and felt like I failed at everything bc I got blocked but now I know it’s not a forever block. I feel like they’re punishing me with the indefinite block, and I didn’t mean to get indefinitely block. Dandielayla (talk) 12:10, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Also, Dandielayla, blocks are intended to be prevent damage, and not to punish a user. It's only indefinite to stop the disruption that was being caused with the way you edit before. See WP:indefinite. I know you're given a lot of links right now, but you should take your time reading the other important ones before reading this. Wikiexplorationandhelping (talk) 13:54, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Oh okay, and I know. I didn't know that, and I'm really sorry for editing wrong. Thank u for all the links, and will read all of them when I have time. Please know the admin was trying to help prevent damage, and I didn't mean to damage the articles if I did. I still feel really bad, and sad. Dandielayla (talk) 14:25, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, my bad IP. I guess I didn't read the sentence thoroughly. Wikiexplorationandhelping (talk) 13:27, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, and I’m really sorry. I should’ve said it so you can read it better, and when do I get unblocked since it’s indefinite? I will practice editing, and get better so they can unblock me if I’m good enough. Dandielayla (talk) 13:52, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

You will have to demonstrate to admins that you will not edit disruptively as you have edited in the past. Also, I recommend that you read Wikipedia:Guide to appealing blocks (I know, so many links now) before submitting an unblock request. Cheers, Wikiexplorationandhelping (talk) 14:02, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Oh okay, and thank you for the links. I will read all of them when I have time, and I will read the guide to appealing blocks. Yeah, and there are a lot of links. I can demonstrate to admins that I will not edit disruptively, and I know I have did that in the past because I didn't know how to edit good. But now I know how to copy edit,and check for errors in articles. Dandielayla (talk) 14:52, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Oh okay, and thank you for the links. I will read all of them when I have time, and I will read the guide to appealing blocks. Yeah, and there are a lot of links. I can demonstrate to admins that I will not edit disruptively, and I know I have did that in the past because I didn't know how to edit good. But now I know how to copy edit, and check for errors in articles. Dandielayla (talk) 17:49, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

How do I edit with the Sandbox, and it won’t let me bc it says I’m still blocked. Can they please unblock me so I can practice editing, and I’m really sorry. The sandbox article had a lock on it, and when I want to edit they said I’m blocked from editing. Dandielayla (talk) 21:04, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

You'll have to wait until your unblock request is responded to. For now, just be patient. Wikiexplorationandhelping (talk) 22:22, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Oh okay, and I will. I did do an unblock request last night, and they haven’t responded yet. I feel like it’s a punishment bc they haven’t said anything, and still feel bad for what I did in the past. I read a few articles, and learned a lot of things. Dandielayla (talk) 22:29, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

It can take some time for an admin to respond to an unblock request. (There are a lot of unblock requests in the queue at any given time.) It's nothing personal, and it's not a punishment. Just gotta be patient. 2600:1700:87D3:3460:8C27:D611:283D:EEB6 (talk) 03:10, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Oh okay, and I didn’t know that. I’m really sorry, and thank you for the info. I know it’s not personal, and not a punishment. I will be patient, and wait for them to respond to my unblock request. Dandielayla (talk) 11:10, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

They denied me again, and said other admins will look at my unblock request. I feel really bad, and I thought I did it right this time. I will never be unblocked, and they would say I’m not doing the unblock request right bc I have to take out your reason here. I waited patiently, and they responded with decline bc I didn’t do it right. Dandielayla (talk) 20:54, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

Well, first, do as the admin has said, read and understand WP:Guide to appealing blocks. Before you submit an unblock request, ask yourself these questions: "Do you know why you're blocked?", "Will you do what caused you to be blocked again?", and "What will you do after getting unblocked?". Also, try to keep the unblock request short and concise. Long paragraphs do not help you get unblocked. Good luck, Wikiexplorationandhelping (talk) 23:22, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

Oh okay, and thank u for the luck. I will try to keep it short, and concise. I will also get around to the WP: Guide to appealing blocks article, and ask myself the questions u gave me. The admin this time shouldn’t deny me again if I do it right, and will work on what to tell them. Dandielayla (talk) 23:26, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

I read some of the article links u gave me, and so far I’m learning a lot as I was reading. It doesn’t look hard at all, and I haven’t read the appealing blocks one yet. I will get around to reading most of the links u gave me, and try doing an unblock request if no other admins saw my unblock request from yesterday. I did it wrong, and will make a new unblock request since this indefinite block is making me upset. I did make a few mistakes, and they shouldn’t hold me on block for that long bc I did disruptive editing in the past. I’m really sorry, and I hate the waiting to be unblocked part bc it takes awhile. They don’t give me a time of how long I should be blocked, and I seen the block log. Dandielayla (talk) 23:24, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

Sounds good. Also, please try to avoid using shortcuts such as u, and bc. Instead, say you, and because. It makes you sound more professional and gives you a better reasoning for a potential unblock. Cheers, Wikiexplorationandhelping (talk) 23:33, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

Oh okay, and thank you. I will avoid saying u, and bc in my unblock request. I agree, and it will sound more professional. They could potentially unblock me if I avoid the shortcuts, and use the words you gave me. Dandielayla (talk) 23:38, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

I did an unblock request, and now I’m waiting for the admin to see it. I know who did the block, and I convinced them why the block was not necessary anymore. I will not do any more disruptive edits, and I’m going to wait patiently for the response. I avoid the shortcuts you gave me, and explained why I was blocked. Dandielayla (talk) 17:48, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Your request was denied, below. Zaathras (talk) 18:20, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Oh okay, and awwwwwwww man. How long does the block expire, and when will it be expired? I tried to make a really good unblock request, and explained why I think my block was not necessary anymore. I’m really sry if I’m not good at the unblock requests, and I told the admin I won’t make any disruptive edits. Dandielayla (talk) 18:29, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Realistically, you need to give up on en.wikipedia for the moment. Even your behaviour here after your indefinite block has demonstrated you shouldn't be unblocked. Find another wiki project, spend at least six trouble-free months there making a meaningful number of edits, then come back and request an unblock here. --Yamla (talk) 18:32, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Oh okay, and I’m really sorry. I can’t make any edits bc they indefinitely blocked me from editing, and I’m not sure if I can make any edits. I will find another wiki project, and other things for six months. I can try to make meaningful edits, and see if I can edit again. Dandielayla (talk) 19:04, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

I can’t really make any edits because they indefinitely blocked me from editing, and I’m not sure if I can make any edits. I will find another wiki project, and other things for six trouble free months. I can also try to make meaningful edits if they unblock me, and see if I can edit again. I’m really sorry, and I could give up on Wikipedia for awhile for six months but that would be a really long time. Dandielayla (talk) 15:46, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

I can’t really make any edits because they indefinitely blocked me from editing, and I’m not sure if I can make any edits. I will find another wiki project, and other things for six trouble free months. I can also try to make meaningful edits if they unblock me, and see if I can edit again. I’m really sorry, and I could give up on Wikipedia for awhile for six months but that would be a really long time. Dandielayla (talk) 20:52, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

Try editing some Wikipedia content on other languages. Do you speak another language by some chance? Wikiexplorationandhelping (talk) 23:01, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

Well, looks like your access to this page is revoked. You're gonna have to wait at least 6 months before requesting an unblock on this wiki through the Unblock Ticket Request System. I don't mean to grave dance, but was it really hard to read and understand the instructions?

With regrets,

Wikiexplorationandhelping (talk) 23:10, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

You have been blocked from editing for a period of indefinite for persistently making disruptive edits. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions.

If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please review Wikipedia's guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text to the bottom of your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}.

Unblock request

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

Dandielayla (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

---

Request reason:

Your reason here Can You please unblock me from editing bc I just got praised for editing good this time from an article called the off season, and would appreciate it if you guys took the time to review my unblock request. I will avoid some pages that I can’t do like spamming links into articles, and would be a good contributor. I would also be better doing the copy editing instead, and avoid the hardest ones that I can’t do or don’t know. Someone seen good faith edits, and was better for Wikipedia. Please take the time, and reconsider my unblock request.

Decline reason:

I'm assuming the praise you're referring to is this comment about this edit. A comment about a single edit does not balance out the problems with the numerous other edits. This unblock request does not adequately address the reasons for the block, nor does it explain how the behavior will be avoided if you were to be unblocked. While you do mention that I would also be better doing the copy editing instead, that is a overly broad statement without specifics and I have to point out that copy editing requires attention to detail, for example removing the Your reason here at the beginning of the unblock request, which was not done. I suggest a thorough read of Wikipedia:Guide to appealing blocks before making another unblock request. Aoidh (talk) 14:50, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

---

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

Dandielayla (talk) 04:37, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

STOP

STOP. You have access to this talk page solely so you can contest your block. You know this. I haven't the slightest idea what on earth you were thinking with this edit, an exact word-for-word copy of your previous edit. But it's time to stop. I very strongly advise you immediately stop editing here and instead, edit someplace else. Once you've done that, trouble-free, for at least six months, come back here and make an unblock request. I can't prevent you from making an unblock request sooner than that, but you are working extremely hard to demonstrate it would be a mistake to unblock you at the moment. But I can stop you from continuing to abuse your talk page for anything other than unblock requests. --Yamla (talk) 21:00, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

Where else should I did, and I know I’m working really hard. I’ve been doing other things, and I will stop since you want me to stop editing this time. I understand you want me to do other things for six trouble free months, and I feel that it would be a really long time until I’m

unblocked. It could be until next year, and maybe March when I can make edits again. Dandielayla (talk) 22:17, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

Altitude London

Needs a lot of corrections, and says it also has a citation needed for the article. It is written like an advertisement, and may not meet the guidelines for notability guideline for geographic features. Please talk about the Altitude London article, and see what needs to be corrected. They also want it copy edited which I can’t do that for awhile, and see if someone else can do it for now. Dandielayla (talk) 11:20, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

Your ability to edit this talk page has been revoked as an administrator has identified your talk page edits as inappropriate and/or disruptive.

(block log • active blocks • global blocks • autoblocks • contribs • deleted contribs • abuse filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

---

If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, you should read the guide to appealing blocks, then contact administrators by submitting a request to the Unblock Ticket Request System.
Please note that there could be appeals to the unblock ticket request system that have been declined leading to the post of this notice.

• Dandielayla, I'm very sorry to see this. Try to forget about English Wikipedia for at least 6 months. Find another place to help out instead. I don't know anything about you, but I do know you were trying very hard to help the project. There must be other places—on-line or off-line—that will welcome your willingness to work. Yngvadottir (talk) 11:22, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

Dandielayla evaded their block as 67.184.230.229 to continue violating WP:RS and editing inappropriately on 2023-10-08. --Yamla (talk) 10:08, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

UTRS

UTRS appeal #87008 has now been declined. Appeals 79108, 79317, and 82902 had previously been declined. JBW (talk) 23:39, 3 April 2024 (UTC)