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Why is it wrong to write down facts?

Information icon Hello, I'm 121.133.40.84. I noticed that you recently removed content from WJSN without adequately explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an accurate edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the removed content has been restored. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks.

I know that you are also one of k-pop fan, and I know you are hard to accept the fact that members' withdrawl. But don't turn a blind eye to the facts. Chinese members and two Korean members from WJSN, Luda and Da-won did not renewed the contract and left frome the group. The withdrawal turned out to be true in official statements and numerous news articles. But you recklessly reversed the editing and warned me that I had vandalized the article. I don't understand why you insist that two Korean members didn't leave the group. 121.133.40.84 (talk) 09:24, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

You still haven't been able to provide a reliable source. Btspurplegalaxy 💬 🖊️ 09:27, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
I ALREADY TOLD IT. [1]ALSO I FOUND THIS ONE TOO.[2] This link, is based from another Korean news [3] 121.133.40.84 (talk) 09:29, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
The first two aren't reliable sources. Read this list: WP:KO/RS. The third source doesn't directly mention them leaving WJSN. Btspurplegalaxy 💬 🖊️ 09:37, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
[4] this is the news from NO CUT NEWS, WHICH IS ON THE LIST.
some members of WJSN, a female idol group that marks its 7th anniversary this year, leave the team.
Starship Entertainment said in an official statement on the 3rd, "Recently, eight members of WJSN, Exy, Seol-A, Bona, Soobin, Eunseo, Yeoreum, Dayoung, and Yeon-jung, have been re-signed," adding, "Luda and Da-won have long and in-depth discussions, but unfortunately, they have completed the exclusive contract."
"I would like to express my deep gratitude for the hard work and dedication that Luda and Dawon have shown so far. We respect the choices of Luda and Dawon, and will support and support new activities and the way forward. In addition, the three members of Yuehua Entertainment, Sun Eui, Cheng Xiao, and Mei Ki, who worked with WJSN, will automatically terminate their contracts as WJSN, he said. 121.133.40.84 (talk) 09:42, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

March 2023

I'm thinking that your edit on RM from BTS was worth while, and I found some new quotes from his 2023 trip to Spain to quote about the scheduled separation for BTS and reunion. Maybe take a look to see if you can improve on the added edit on the RM page. The distinction of the solo careers and the BTS "Phase 2" as RM calls it is newsworthy. This is the article here : [5] ~~~~ ErnestKrause (talk) 17:46, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

Jimin FACE record

Hey, can you check the most recent edit I made on the page? I think my wording of the sales record based on the Newsis article might be slightly off, but I'm not 100% sure. I asked Ivana but idt she's around rn. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 20:59, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

I'll have a look. Btspurplegalaxy 💬 🖊️ 21:56, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

KBS site

Can you direct me to the webpage or site where KBS posts the approvals/rejections for songs for broadcast? I always see tweets of screenshots from it ahead of comebacks but I don't think I've ever seen the actual website myself, except for maybe once a long time ago and I don't remember what the url was. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 21:00, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

Page rename

There is no reason for you to disagree with a page rename which is uncontroversial; consensus is not necessary under WP:BANDDAB - "Use "(group)" when the musical ensemble members do not perform by playing musical instruments, the members are mainly vocalists, and other people perform by playing musical instruments. This includes all non-performing boy bands (e.g. One Direction, BTS, and Wanna One) and girl groups (e.g. Spice Girls, Morning Musume, and Blackpink), for example TLC (group), Red Velvet (group), RD (group), or Natural (group)".

Boy bands and girl groups who do not play their own instruments and are purely vocalists (singers/rappers) and dancers like BTS should be labelled as a "group", not "band". Again, see WP:BANDDAB. Hiddenstranger (talk) 00:57, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

There have been many discussions regarding that whole topic, Some attempts have been made to change the article name from band to group but needed up not being moved. You can refer to this example: [6] Btspurplegalaxy 💬 🖊️ 05:55, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

TFA

Thank you today for you share in BTS, "about the contemporary music group BTS from South Korea."! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:26, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Precious

Korean performers

Thank you for quality articles such as BTS, Jang Jin-young, Nina Makino and Kang Daniel, for updating articles in the field, adding categories and moving to proper names, for collaboration and helpfulness, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

June songs
my story today

You are recipient no. 2858 of Precious, a prize of QAI. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:30, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Third revert without reason

13:23, July 6, 2023 This is the third time you have reverted me by claiming false reasoning. This clearly proves you have a bias against me, and you didnt even revert it, another editor had to fix your error. I am considering filing a report against you for editing with strong bias against me, because this is disrespectful and I want to protect other editors from being mistreated. Gamowebbed (talk) 16:11, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

Do your research. The source you tagged unreliable was SCMP as I told you per WP:RSPSOURCES it's reliable. I didn't know the source quoted Koreaboo that was caught by Ïvana, and she replaced it with better source needed. Everything's been fixed, so I don't see the issue. I'm not going to argue with you on this. You're still a freshly new editor, unlike me and Ïvana. You can't report just because I reverted an incorrect edit. I haven't violated any guidelines. Btspurplegalaxy 💬 🖊️ 17:37, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
Just stop harassing me. Leave me alone and stop targeting me. I wont tolerate this level of hostility and I aim to defend other editors from this behaviour too Gamowebbed (talk) 17:42, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

"Random text"

Hello. I was not the editor who originally added the compact TOC, but the FORCETOC at the top was not "random text". Template:Compact TOC tells editors that if a regular table of contents is still desired on an article that uses the template, to put FORCETOC at the top of the article. Thanks. Ss112 02:39, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

Fifty Fifty

I don’t want to get into an edit war with you, but I would like to know your reason for reverting my edit adding the real names of the members of Fifty Fifty (group). I would think that information should be somewhere in the article, especially since the members do not have individual articles themselves, no? Sinistrality2023 (talk) 02:20, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

The article isn't supposed to be formatted like that. You can go to any Korean group article and see the artists stage names being used. It would be different if they all went by their personal names, but that's not the case. You usually put what name they go by professionally. That's the reason I removed the names in parentheses. Btspurplegalaxy 💬 🖊️ 03:24, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

92.184.117.94

Hey, you could've gone directly to WP:AIV regarding this IP. It was clearly, WP:3RRNO, clause 4. I have reported them to AIV and a block had been issued. Happy editing. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 06:37, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! Btspurplegalaxy 💬 🖊️ 06:44, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

Revert just now on V's page

Jsyk, my revert wasn't because of anything you did wrong, but because of the two edits prior to yours that couldn't be undone unless I reverted to my edit before them. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 07:33, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

No worries. Btspurplegalaxy 💬 🖊️ 09:41, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Btspurplegalaxy, I appreciate your photo upload for Ive here. Is it okay if you also upload the 2022 MAMA Awards or Melon Music Awards of Ive when they won their first daesang major award, so that, that photo can be inserted in the Love Dive, After Like section of their wikipedia article, thank you.   120.29.77.95 (talk) 15:58, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi, can you help me with it? 120.29.77.95 (talk) 07:16, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
Sadly, I can't upload any pictures from the 2022 MAMA Awards or Melon Music Awards due to not being able to find the pictures under a Creative Commons license. Btspurplegalaxy 💬 🖊️ 04:58, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
can we still possibly make it available by any means? 120.29.77.95 (talk) 12:23, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
It wouldn't be possible. Btspurplegalaxy 💬 🖊️ 17:54, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
What about this one, or this under cc, will it be okay? 120.29.77.95 (talk) 18:06, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
It can't be used, as the original content belongs to Mnet K-Pop. Btspurplegalaxy 💬 🖊️ 19:19, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
Okay I see, thanks for clarifying, what about the second one, here, its taken from a fan on Genie Music awards, it's also under cc. Is it okay to give credit to the fan and use it?
Also, will a clip under cc, from a fan during the show performance or red carpet, will those be okay? 120.29.77.95 (talk) 00:58, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
From looking at the content they posted it definitely doesn't belong to them. You're probably not going to be able to easily find content from Award shows. Btspurplegalaxy 💬 🖊️ 02:02, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
I would also like to ask, wouldn't some of those fall under fair use, those ones on MAMA awards or MMA, like if its just 1 image of a video? 120.29.77.95 (talk) 02:42, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
None of it can't be used, as fair use. It has to be under a Creative Common license, otherwise it will copyright material. Btspurplegalaxy 💬 🖊️ 02:51, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
Okay thanks, Last question, I found 2022 Melon Music Awards from Onthestreet on YouTube [7]
if I ask the user permission and allow me to use it, would It be okay to use on wiki? Like what are the process? 120.29.77.95 (talk) 06:11, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
You can do for pictures, but videos I would say most likely not. Btspurplegalaxy 💬 🖊️ 20:25, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

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Zhang Hao

You stated your reasoning as "He's not notable outside of his group" when it comes to deleting Zhang Hao's page. Can I ask what kind of notable achievement do you need in order for him to get his page back... If being a top notcher and center of a million seller group isn't enough for it then what kind of notable achievement do you need? CosmicPetals725 (talk) 15:36, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

He would need to have more solo activities which he doesn't have at the moment. Btspurplegalaxy 💬 🖊️ 20:12, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

Help

Hello there. I accidentally uploaded a poster of Destined (Chinese TV series) in the File:Destined.jpg . I didn't realize there was already an article. Can you help me to revert it back to its previous image? I don't know how to do that so I would really grateful if you could help me in this matter. SnowKang (talk) 18:41, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Someone fixed it. Btspurplegalaxy 💬 🖊️ 05:08, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Speedy deletion contested: Dawn Silva

Hello Btspurplegalaxy. I am just letting you know that I contested the speedy deletion of Dawn Silva, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: The article makes a credible assertion of importance or significance, sufficient to pass A7. Thank you. BangJan1999 22:25, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

I don't really agree. If you look at the article, there is a very lack of sources to support the content. There haven't been any type of improvements, so I think it qualities for deletion. It needs to meet some criteria of WP:SINGER. As I mentioned before, there isn't any reliable sources to back up for nobility for the singer. Btspurplegalaxy 💬 🖊️ 23:51, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Question about Origin (South Korea) of XG (girl group under XGALX)

Hello Btspurplegalaxy. I'm wondering the use of the term "ORIGIN" for the girl group XG is still relevant. I know in the year they debut, we just simply didn't have much information about them, but now we do, I feel we need to start to discuss about the use of the word "origin".

In fact their Japanese Wikipedia page says their "origin" as Japan and now that so much newer information have been released by the label about the group, we all know that the group was actually formed while they were in Japan, even had some performance activities, and some of their songs like Mascara have been already created and have been sung/danced way before they moved to South Korea to prepare for the actual debut. Knowing such, now I feel the group's "origin" should be Japan and the word to describe their activities in South Korea should be either "based, active, or promoting" in Korea. Most legacy media now describes them as a group "FROM" (origin) Japan, promoting in South Korea, which gives a sense of their "origin" than their mere "nationality", just like "Australian girl group from Japan" suggests as if they were raised/trained in Japan despite their actual nationality being Australian.

Also, the entity (their label) being a South Korean company, Avex merely created its subsidiary there (it's just "Avex Korea") only to promote them in Korea, but the members are still the Avex (Japan) signed artists and most of their back office activities still being carried in Japan side (fan club app, official website, and social media site including youtube). Just like Samsung products are considered to be "from" South Korea even if they were being promoted and sold under Samsung USA.

Anyway, even though there's no mention about their pre-debut era in Japan on the page, and I don't think it's necessary (may be later on we can add in the history section), but we should at least recognize the fact that the band was formed while in Japan. Or you think it is the Japanese Wikipedia page that needs to change the origin. What do you think? Or please let me know who I should address this to if you aren't the right person to this discussion. Thank you! Homelele (talk) 06:29, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

To answer your question, the origin would be where the group started from. There needs to be a source of verification of the origins of XG, but unlike the Japanese Wikipedia, there isn't a source to support the origin being Japan. On the English Wikipedia, we have a source to verify their origin. Unless you can find a reliable source stating their origin is somewhere else, then it needs to remain as South Korea. I hope that answers your question. Btspurplegalaxy 💬 🖊️ 06:52, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
I see, yes, thanks for the information. Just make sure that "where the group started" means where they formed, not "debuted", correct? Can the valid source for the information be their official documentary youtube videos? or has to be website?
Also, as I'm not familiar with the Wikipedia's rules at all, I'm wondering if that definition of the word "origin" you just explained applies to all other languages on Wikipedia? Like, the "origin" in English can be different from the Spanish and French usage of the "origin" for the music artists? I just checked all the other pages, there are only 4 out of 11 languages still say the origin as South Korea, and there is one language not mention about at all, the rest (such as Chinese, French and Spanish) says Japan. Thanks again! Homelele (talk) 07:25, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
It's best not to reference YouTube as sources. That would be correct. Origin would be used for all Wikipedia's. Btspurplegalaxy 💬 🖊️ 23:00, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
For further clarification template:Infobox musical artist#origin says that origin parameter is intended to "The town, city etc., from which the group or musician originated (that is, the place where the group was founded, or where the individual performer started their career, should it not match the location of their birth)." The members debuted in South Korea, so it's correct as it stands. Btspurplegalaxy 💬 🖊️ 20:36, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Lumpens

Hi

I have some questions about Lumpens' page and the creator of the page is inactive. I noticed that you worked a lot to improve the page. can you help me? Estyxxxx (talk) 22:29, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I can help. What can I help you with? Btspurplegalaxy 💬 🖊️ 01:36, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
1. Some of the music videos that appear on the official Lumpens website do not appear here, and some of the music videos that appear in the table do not appear on the website. Does this actually mean that both places are not updated?
2. In the last paragraph in "Background" there is a sentence: "2018 Mnet Asian Music Awards Fan Choice Best Music Video for BTS' "Idol" but on the 2018 Mnet Asian Music Awards page it says that IDOL's music video won the Favorite Music Video category and the TikTok Best category Music Video What is the explanation for this?
3. Are all the awards Lumpens have won listed on the page? If not, why not create a table of nominations and wins? Estyxxxx (talk) 17:47, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
Maybe you also know why in the Infobox album template of Face Yourself it says that the labels are Def Jam and Universal, while in the "Release history" table it says that the labels are Def Jam and Virgin? Estyxxxx (talk) 11:15, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
Since it's sourced then those are the labels that need to be used, Def Jam and Virgin. Btspurplegalaxy 💬 🖊️ 17:29, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
If it is a mistake and the label is Virgin and not Universal then it should be changed in two more places on the page.
What about the lumpens questions, do you have an answer or should I ask someone else? Estyxxxx (talk) 00:56, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
If both labels are mentioned in the source, both must be included; otherwise, include only the label mentioned in the source.
  1. The website is outdated; you should seek new sources to back the music videos.
  2. Those are two different awards.
  3. You can compile a list of wins for nominations by referencing: Template:Infobox awards list
Btspurplegalaxy 💬 🖊️ 02:49, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Notification of discussion

Hello. I thought you might like to weigh in on the issue of whether "Seven" and "3D" should be listed as singles in the infobox of Jungkook's Golden at Talk:Golden (Jungkook album) as I note you have been a regular editor of BTS's articles. Thanks. Ss112 02:26, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

I gave my input on it. Btspurplegalaxy 💬 🖊️ 08:11, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

Your comments on Lee Ahin article

Respectully While your edits are normally very thoughtful, and I have appreciated them in the past, I do not agree with your premisis your most recent edit to the Lee Ahin article. As you know by know I have been working to improve this draft article for almost two years. I come from the technology industry, although I have no relation to this subject, I did work in the music and fashion industry for many years, and I have studied hundreds of wikipedia articles now about members of many famous groups, and the standard you are trying to apply is too extreme. Look for example at the article on Paul McCartney: there is are separate sections about other bands, including a 1400 charcters plus section about his time in the Beatles, notwithstanding that there are multiple wikipedia articles about the Beatles, and the same thing is true of Wings. While McCartney had a significant solo career, it was his participation in the Beatles that gave him most of his notariety. In the case of Ahin, in her time in Momoland, the group was nominated for 64 major music awards, and won 23, across many countries. One of the reasons that I chose the subject for an article is that Momoland did several world tours, and was the first Kpop group to open up several new national markets, and this subject speaks many languages fluently, and several more conversationally. Mentioning significant events in which she acted as spokesperson, such as addressing Chinese crowds for the band in fluent mandaring, and acting as spokesperson from the group to US media when Momoland music was being pumped by the South Korean governmanent over the DMZ, is significant; her involvement was a force in the band being nominated for 64 music awards. I agree that Momoland is not BTS or the Beatles, but that is not the standard by which all wikipedia music articles should be judged. If you caprisiously eliminate the Momoland section, that detracts from the quality of the article, it makes much less sense to the reader, and unfairly makes the subject appear less notable.

This article is important because of the other wikipedia articles written about Momoland Group members (Nancy McDonnie, Jooe, and Yeonwoo) were not written by native English speakers. I am have also published many articles about related industries in television, media, tech, and sports, and these Korean subjects needs a good English writer to provide at least one easily to understand article that accurate reflects the groups notarity, why the reached their pinacle in 2018, and their impact on the globalization of the music business. They are not BTS but they did have an impact, and that should not be undercut in this article.

I am willing to work with you to satisfy reasonable standards that the article is free of fan bias, and that the mentions of the Momoland in the article about Ahin are concise not surpluflous. I agree it should avoid redudancies with the main Momoland articles, BUT there will inevitably be some redundancy or the article will make no sense and unfairly appear trivialized. I have not used these inter user talk pages much, so please forgive any conventions I might have violated. But please feel free to communicate with me directly, and I will be happy to work with you that we can find consensus and compromise that makes sense, but does not undermine the article. ---KOPS2222

"The Planet"

I noticed that you write a lot of articles about songs related to BTS. First of all, thank you. I really enjoy reading them and sometimes also translating. Secondly, maybe you would like to create an article about "The Planet"? It reached number one in World Digital Song Sales and received two MAMA nominations. Estyxxxx (talk) 19:26, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Yes I can create it for you. Just give me some time as I won't be on here for the next 3 days. Btspurplegalaxy 💬 🖊️ 02:48, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
Thank you, I appreciate it so much. Estyxxxx (talk) 08:09, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

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Article about Jisoo

Thank you for letting me know about the edit I had made on Jisoo's article on here. Is it allowed for this info to be placed in a different section of the article? If so, what section would be most appropriate? Tonkarooson (talk) 04:52, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Unfortunately, there isn't a suitable place for it. The names lack significant relevance. Take Jennie, for instance. She incorporates the name, Jennie Ruby Jane, into her professional identity. In contrast, Jisoo opts to simply go by her given name. Btspurplegalaxy 💬 🖊️ 05:01, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
Ah, I see. Could it be addressed as a lower alpha reference? I just feel like that people could know about the nicknames if they want to. Tonkarooson (talk) 05:23, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
What do you mean by a lower alpha reference? Btspurplegalaxy 💬 🖊️ 05:25, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
Instead of this: [1]
It would be this: [a] and so on depending on how many there are. Those types of references are callled "lower-alpha" when you click on the reference Tonkarooson (talk) 05:57, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
The names can't be utilized in that manner either. Any subsequent editor is likely to reverse your alteration, as I have done. When modifying an article, edits pertaining to fandom-related content are not permissible. Typically, our edits focus on updates related to music releases, acting, and various ambassadorial engagements. Btspurplegalaxy 💬 🖊️ 06:08, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
At least I know now, thank you for answering my questions. Have a good day/night. Tonkarooson (talk) 06:19, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
I'm delighted to assist! Should you have any further inquiries, don't hesitate to reach out. Happy editing! Btspurplegalaxy 💬 🖊️ 06:22, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Draft:W.i.S.H.

Hi there,

Just noticed that you draftified it when it was clearly meeting WP:GNG at the time of your move. It had significant coverage from BBC, The Hindu and The Print. Now it is up at AfC, what do you have to say? Regards. Hitro talk 14:08, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

In terms of music nobility it doesn't meet the standards. Btspurplegalaxy 💬 🖊️ 21:00, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
It does. See criterion #1 of WP:BAND. In most of the cases, WP:GNG supersedes subject specific guidelines. Anyway, moving it to the draftspace was not the best choice, you should have AfDed it if you believed it was not meeting notability guidelines. Draftifying is not intended as a backdoor route to deletion. Regards. Hitro talk 04:35, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
I did not intend to delete the article. Rather, I relocated it due to my assessment that it was not yet suitable for the main space yet. Btspurplegalaxy 💬 🖊️ 04:43, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
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