User talk:79.167.195.6

Page contents not supported in other languages.
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

October 2022[edit]

Hello, I'm Adakiko. I noticed that you made a change to an article, Pankration, but you didn't provide a source. I’ve removed it for now, but if you’d like to include a citation to a reliable source and re-add it, please do so! If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. Adakiko (talk) 17:09, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello I am trying to put the reference for my sentence but I couldn't. The sentence and the reference is the following: Pangration is considered the mother of martial arts. This martial art was spread to the depths of Asia by the soldiers of Alexander the Great, who practiced it, during the campaign of Alexander the Great in the 4th century BC. Alexander the Great reached India. From there it is known that martial arts spread to China and then to Japan and Korea in the known forms. [1] 79.167.195.6 (talk) 18:46, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
There are plenty of books, works, biblioraphy, plus martial arts federations that supports that Pangration is the most historically recorded martial art. This event was considered the best event in the ancient Olympic Games - Philostratos. It was introduced to the Olympic Games in the year 648 BC. The numerous ancient vase paintings suggest a complete martial art, with kicks, holds, punches, wrestling, boxing that almost all modern martial arts have. A simple historical research to do will establish these 79.167.195.6 (talk) 20:49, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
And yet martial arts existed in India and China centuries earlier. MrOllie (talk) 20:55, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
In the article that I would like to make a change here on Wikipedia says the following: "Legendary accounts link the origin of Shaolinquan to the spread of Buddhism from ancient India during the early 5th century CE, with the figure of Bodhidharma, to China. Written evidence of martial arts in Southern India dates back to the Sangam literature of about the 2nd century BCE to the 2nd century AD.[citation needed] The combat techniques of the Sangam period were the earliest precursors to Kalaripayattu". Pangration was established in Ancient Greece at 700 BC. Alexander the Great reached India at 3nd century BC. "..Written evidence of martial arts in Southern India dates back to the Sangam literature of about the 2nd century BCE to the 2nd century AD..." Then martial arts spread from India to China etc. "...Legendary accounts link the origin of Shaolinquan to the spread of Buddhism from ancient India during the early 5th century CE, with the figure of Bodhidharma, to China...". So, please we have to be careful about history. 79.167.195.6 (talk) 20:57, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You'll have to look at Origins of Asian martial arts for the earliest claims. Even what you're citing here doesn't make sense alongside your new claim. If it spread from India around 500 BC, it must have already been in India before that, yes? MrOllie (talk) 21:01, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Bodhidharma spread martial arts to China, at 500 After Christ. Bodhidharma was a Buddhist monk who lived during the 5th or 6th century https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodhidharma Martial arts appeared in India of about 2nd century BC - WIKIPEDIA "....Written evidence of martial arts in Southern India dates back to the Sangam literature of about the 2nd century BCE to the 2nd century AD....". Pangration was established in Ancient Greece at 700 BC. Alexander the Great reached India at 3nd century BC. Alexander the Great's Greek army practiced Pangration, as did the Spartans and all ancient Greeks 79.167.195.6 (talk) 21:21, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You didn't reply to my answer, but you deleted my post one more time. Then, the better way is to go to the Arbitration Committee 79.167.195.6 (talk) 22:10, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, see you there MrOllie (talk) 22:31, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Is there a problem with the following?: "Pangration is the first historically documented martial art. The first mention of Pangration was made in the Orphic texts between 12,000 – 4,000 BC! (verse 586 Orphic Texts):"This Pangratio gave to old Heracles, a silver krater as a prize for Pangration, a silver krater of many varieties". In Ancient Greek: ”Αυτάρ Παγκράτιοιο δωκεν γέρας Ήρακληι, αργύρεον κρητηρα ως βραβείον δια το Παγκράτιον, κρατήρα αργυρούν πολυποίκιλον“. According to the verse, Herakles was therefore given a silver prize for his performance in the Pangration. This report certifies that at that time the Pangration did not simply exist, but high performance in it could be evaluated with specific criteria and awarded with a prize of monetary value. Orpheus lived before the Trojan War which dates back to around 3000 BC. So the text is considered more ancient. Based on these reports, Pangration is the oldest scientifically recorded martial art. Pangration was considered the best competition in the ancient Olympic Games Philostratos describes it as "the best in Olympia" («το εν Oλυμπία το κάλλιστον») Pictures A, Book B. It was introduced to the Olympic Games in the year 648 BC. The numerous ancient vase paintings suggest a complete martial art, with kicks, holds, punches, wrestling techniques, boxing, throws. Many of Pagratio's techniques are similar to techniques found in today's martial arts. Aristotle said: "Good for wrestling is he who is able to squeeze and hold his opponent; good for boxing is he who can repel his opponent with blows. Anyone who is capable of both is good for pangration " ("ὁ δὲ θλίβειν καὶ κατέχειν παλαιστικός, ὁ δὲ ὦσαι τῇ πληγῇ πυκτικός, ὁ δ’ ἀμφοτέροις τούτοις παγκρατιαστικός"). The sources of the historical times mentioned in the pankration cover the period from the 8th century BC to the 12th century AD. The army of Alexander the Great practiced Pangration, as ancient Greeks used to do. During his campaign in the depths of Asia to India where Alexander the Great arrived, in the 4th century BC, in addition to the many Greek cultural elements and sciences that he spread in the areas he conquered, he also spread Greek sports and Greek games. Among these games was the Pangration which was used not only as a sport in the games but also as a martial art during the wars". Why is being deleted? 79.167.195.6 (talk) 16:39, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
In the article that I would like to make a change here on Wikipedia says the following: "Legendary accounts link the origin of Shaolinquan to the spread of Buddhism from ancient India during the early 5th century CE, with the figure of Bodhidharma, to China. Written evidence of martial arts in Southern India dates back to the Sangam literature of about the 2nd century BCE to the 2nd century AD.[citation needed] The combat techniques of the Sangam period were the earliest precursors to Kalaripayattu". Pangration was established in Ancient Greece at 700 BC. Alexander the Great reached India at 3nd century BC. "..Written evidence of martial arts in Southern India dates back to the Sangam literature of about the 2nd century BCE to the 2nd century AD..." Then martial arts spread from India to China etc. "...Legendary accounts link the origin of Shaolinquan to the spread of Buddhism from ancient India during the early 5th century CE, with the figure of Bodhidharma, to China...". So, please we have to be careful about history. 79.167.195.6 (talk) 20:56, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
If this is a shared IP address, and you did not make the edits referred to above, consider creating an account for yourself or logging in with an existing account so that you can avoid further irrelevant notices.
You need stronger sourcing to declare that pankration is the "mother" of martial arts in the lede. A single book from 2004 is not going to cut it. OhNoitsJamie Talk 20:40, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The book that you're attempting to cite is not a reliable source for the claim you're trying to make. MrOllie (talk) 20:41, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Please do not delete my sentences because I have provided sources. Book and the official webpage of Hellenic Federation of Pangration 79.167.195.6 (talk) 20:43, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The book and/or the federation are not sufficient sources for what you are trying to add. exceptional claims require exceptional sources, especially when you're trying to tell us that the Greeks were the 'mother' of something that had been going on in India for more than 500 years at that point. - MrOllie (talk) 20:47, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Stop icon

Your recent editing history shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See the bold, revert, discuss cycle for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you do not violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. MrOllie (talk) 21:51, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop your disruptive editing.

If you continue to disrupt Wikipedia, you may be blocked from editing. Acroterion (talk) 12:06, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

We have discuss the matter repeatedly. We have set historical events undeniable by worldwide historians. We don't know what is the problem and our text is being deleted. The argues that MrOllie says don't have a historic base at all. So we don't know the motives that he delete our text. Wikipedia is a very serious organization and democratic too. It must avoid such behaviors by some editors not allowing others to put historic facts about Greek Ancient History, like Alexander the Great's expedition. 79.167.195.6 (talk) 16:44, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
If this is a shared IP address, and you did not make the edits referred to above, consider creating an account for yourself or logging in with an existing account so that you can avoid further irrelevant notices.
Don't post at ANI again seeking content adjudication, and absolutely do not post large blocks of content or quotes. The only thing you should do at ANI is to explain your conduct and how you will respond to advice from other editors. Do not post large blocks of text or quotes. You appear to be trying to promote something, which is strictly forbidden on WIkipedia. Acroterion (talk) 12:23, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
We have discuss the matter repeatedly. We have set historical events undeniable by worldwide historians. We don't know what is the problem and our text is being deleted. The argues that MrOllie says don't have a historic base at all. So we don't know the motives that he delete our text. Wikipedia is a very serious organization and democratic too. It must avoid such behaviors by some editors not allowing others to put historic facts about Greek Ancient History, like Alexander the Great's expedition. 79.167.195.6 (talk) 16:48, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
MrOllie does not discuss the subject with us, and does not set arguments to our sayings, but our text is being deleted. Please tell us where we should address in order to see that our text says about well known historic facts about the history of Ancient Greece and in order to put our text to WIKIPEDIA 79.167.195.6 (talk) 17:09, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Editors may object to poor sourcing, and have done so. You need to convince other editors that your edits are appropriate. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a democracy. You appear to be trying to promote something that has little or no basis in scholarship. What is your relationship to GLP GROUP (talk · contribs)? Acroterion (talk) 17:19, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Let's clear things up. In the topic "Martial arts" in WIKIPEDIA we want to post the text in question concerning the history of greek martial art Pangration, that the army of Alexander the Great practiced, with references and historical facts. We want to discuss this and tell us if it is right to upload it. GLP GROUP wanted to upload another text by creating an article from scratch. One post has nothing to do with the other. We are not interested in GLP GROUP's post taking place. We are interested in you seeing the post about the most ancient martial art Pangratio, which we want to include in the article "MARTIAL ARTS". Thank you very much. 79.167.195.6 (talk) 17:28, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
If a post seems not good it should be justified when it is deleted and we should discuss it. We have changed absolutely our initial post, but it is keep being deleted without knowing the reason why. 79.167.195.6 (talk) 17:21, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
What is your relationship to GLP GROUP? You've cleared nothing up, and you've been told what the problem is with your proposed edits. You both appear to be promoting a particular organization. Acroterion (talk) 17:32, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
And stop pasting proposed content at ANI. You've been told not to do that. Acroterion (talk) 18:40, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
We're really missing the point here and it's really a shame because wikipedia is a means of promoting knowledge. I am trying to upload a sentence that contains knowledge about the best sport of the Olympic Games of ancient Greece, named Pankration, as mentioned by Philostratus, and which sport was practiced by Alexander the Great's army, and I see that I cannot upload it without being provided with some adequate justification, based on history. I am a Lawyer with a PhD in History and this is the first time I have faced such a situation. A real shame. 79.167.195.6 (talk) 19:50, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
What is your relationship to GLP GROUP? Because they're blocked, and not supposed to be editing under any circumstances. Acroterion (talk) 20:09, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Who is this "we" to which you keep referring? --Kinu t/c 17:36, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
We're really missing the point here and it's really a shame because wikipedia is a means of promoting knowledge. I am trying to upload a sentence that contains knowledge about the best sport of the Olympic Games of ancient Greece, named Pankration, as mentioned by Philostratus, and which sport was practiced by Alexander the Great's army, and I see that I cannot upload it without being provided with some adequate justification, based on history. I am a Lawyer with a PhD in History and this is the first time I have faced such a situation. A real shame. 79.167.195.6 (talk) 19:50, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
A very clear and direct answer to the question. Thank you Adakiko (talk) 20:01, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You are welcome Adakiko 79.167.195.6 (talk) 20:06, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Adakiko tell me your opinion about this article and if it is good to upload it:
Pangration is the first historically documented martial art. The first mention of Pangration was made in the Orphic texts between 12,000 – 4,000 BC! (verse 586 Orphic Texts)
"This Pangratio gave to old Heracles, a silver krater as a prize for Pangration, a silver krater of many varieties".
”Αυτάρ Παγκράτιοιο δωκεν γέρας Ήρακληι, αργύρεον κρητηρα ως βραβείον δια το Παγκράτιον, κρατήρα αργυρούν πολυποίκιλον“. <ref> Orphic Texts, verse 586 </ref>
According to the verse, Herakles was therefore given a silver prize for his performance in the Pangration. This report certifies that at that time the Pangration did not simply exist, but high performance in it could be evaluated with specific criteria and awarded with a prize of monetary value. Orpheus lived before the Trojan War which dates back to around 3000 BC. So the text is considered more ancient.
Based on these reports, Pangration is the oldest scientifically recorded martial art.
Pangration was considered the best competition in the ancient Olympic Games Philostratos describes it as "the best in Olympia" («το εν Oλυμπία το κάλλιστον»). <ref> s. Arrhichion, Author: Philostratus of Nervian, Pictures A, Book B, wikisource https://el.wikisource.org/wiki/Εικόνες_Α΄/Βιβλίον_β/ς </ref> Pangration was introduced to the Olympic Games in the year 648 BC. The numerous ancient vase paintings suggest a complete martial art, with kicks, holds, punches, wrestling techniques, boxing, throws. Many of Pagratio's techniques are similar to techniques found in today's martial arts. Aristotle said: "Good for wrestling is he who is able to squeeze and hold his opponent; good for boxing is he who can repel his opponent with blows. Anyone who is capable of both is good for pangration " ("ὁ δὲ θλίβειν καὶ κατέχειν παλαιστικός, ὁ δὲ ὦσαι τῇ πληγῇ πυκτικός, ὁ δ’ ἀμφοτέροις τούτοις παγκρατιαστικός"). The sources of the historical times mentioned in the pankration cover the period from the 8th century BC to the 12th century AD. <ref> Hellenic Federation of Pangration - The history of Pangration. https://pangration.org/index.php/istoria-tou-athlimatos </ref>  
The army of Alexander the Great practiced Pangration, as ancient Greeks used to do. During his campaign in the depths of Asia to India where Alexander the Great arrived, in the 4th century BC, in addition to the many Greek cultural elements and sciences that he spread in the areas he conquered, he also spread Greek sports and Greek games. Among these games was the Pangration which was used not only as a sport in the games but also as a martial art during the wars. However, pankration was more than just an event in the athletic competitions of the ancient Greek world; it was also part of the arsenal of Greek soldiers – including the famous Spartan hoplites and Alexander the Great's Macedonian phalanx. It is said that the Spartans at the Battle of Thermopylae fought with their bare hands and teeth once their swords and spears broke. <ref> Philostratus, Gymnastikos 11 </ref> <ref> WIKIPEDIA Pankration </ref> <ref> Georgiou, Andreas V. "Pankration - A Historical Look at the Original Mixed-Martial Arts Competition". Archivedfrom the original on 30 January 2016. Retrieved 23 January2016. </ref> <ref> Dervenis, Kostas (2007). The Martial Arts of Ancient Greece : Modern Fighting Techniques from the Age of Alexander. Nektarios Lykiardopoulos, Michael J. Pantelides. Rochester: Inner Traditions International, Limited. pp. chapter 2. ISBN 978-1-59477-740-0. OCLC 1085169623.  </ref> <ref> Pangration. The Olympic Games - The Martial Art of the Ancient Greeks, Lazaros E. Savvidis, Eleftheri Skepsis, 3rd edition, 2004. </ref> 79.167.195.6 (talk) 20:24, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Adakiko tell me your opinion about this article and if it is good to upload it:
Pangration is the first historically documented martial art. The first mention of Pangration was made in the Orphic texts between 12,000 – 4,000 BC! (verse 586 Orphic Texts)
"This Pangratio gave to old Heracles, a silver krater as a prize for Pangration, a silver krater of many varieties".
”Αυτάρ Παγκράτιοιο δωκεν γέρας Ήρακληι, αργύρεον κρητηρα ως βραβείον δια το Παγκράτιον, κρατήρα αργυρούν πολυποίκιλον“. [2]
According to the verse, Herakles was therefore given a silver prize for his performance in the Pangration. This report certifies that at that time the Pangration did not simply exist, but high performance in it could be evaluated with specific criteria and awarded with a prize of monetary value. Orpheus lived before the Trojan War which dates back to around 3000 BC. So the text is considered more ancient.
Based on these reports, Pangration is the oldest scientifically recorded martial art.
Pangration was considered the best competition in the ancient Olympic Games Philostratos describes it as "the best in Olympia" («το εν Oλυμπία το κάλλιστον»). [3] Pangration was introduced to the Olympic Games in the year 648 BC. The numerous ancient vase paintings suggest a complete martial art, with kicks, holds, punches, wrestling techniques, boxing, throws. Many of Pagratio's techniques are similar to techniques found in today's martial arts. Aristotle said: "Good for wrestling is he who is able to squeeze and hold his opponent; good for boxing is he who can repel his opponent with blows. Anyone who is capable of both is good for pangration " ("ὁ δὲ θλίβειν καὶ κατέχειν παλαιστικός, ὁ δὲ ὦσαι τῇ πληγῇ πυκτικός, ὁ δ’ ἀμφοτέροις τούτοις παγκρατιαστικός"). The sources of the historical times mentioned in the pankration cover the period from the 8th century BC to the 12th century AD. [4]
The army of Alexander the Great practiced Pangration, as ancient Greeks used to do. During his campaign in the depths of Asia to India where Alexander the Great arrived, in the 4th century BC, in addition to the many Greek cultural elements and sciences that he spread in the areas he conquered, he also spread Greek sports and Greek games. Among these games was the Pangration which was used not only as a sport in the games but also as a martial art during the wars. However, pankration was more than just an event in the athletic competitions of the ancient Greek world; it was also part of the arsenal of Greek soldiers – including the famous Spartan hoplites and Alexander the Great's Macedonian phalanx. It is said that the Spartans at the Battle of Thermopylae fought with their bare hands and teeth once their swords and spears broke. [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] 79.167.195.6 (talk) 20:27, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The place to have this discussion is talk:Pangration, not here, wp:ANI, nor other's talk pages. See help:talk pages and wp:talk page guidelines. Adakiko (talk) 20:40, 15 October 2022 (UTC) [reply]

References

  1. ^ [Παγκράτιον. Το Ολυμπιακόν Αγώνισμα - Η πολεμική Τέχνη των Αρχαίων Ελλήνων, Λάζαρος Ε. Σαββίδης, Ελεύθερη Σκέψις, Γ' έκδοση, 2004]
  2. ^ Orphic Texts, verse 586
  3. ^ s. Arrhichion, Author: Philostratus of Nervian, Pictures A, Book B, wikisource https://el.wikisource.org/wiki/Εικόνες_Α΄/Βιβλίον_β/ς
  4. ^ Hellenic Federation of Pangration - The history of Pangration. https://pangration.org/index.php/istoria-tou-athlimatos
  5. ^ Philostratus, Gymnastikos 11
  6. ^ WIKIPEDIA Pankration https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pankration#cite_note-7
  7. ^ Georgiou, Andreas V. "Pankration - A Historical Look at the Original Mixed-Martial Arts Competition". Archivedfrom the original on 30 January 2016. Retrieved 23 January2016.
  8. ^ Dervenis, Kostas (2007). The Martial Arts of Ancient Greece : Modern Fighting Techniques from the Age of Alexander. Nektarios Lykiardopoulos, Michael J. Pantelides. Rochester: Inner Traditions International, Limited. pp. chapter 2. ISBN 978-1-59477-740-0. OCLC 1085169623.
  9. ^ Pangration. The Olympic Games - The Martial Art of the Ancient Greeks, Lazaros E. Savvidis, Eleftheri Skepsis, 3rd edition, 2004.

Your submission at Articles for creation: OLIKON. The complete martial art. (October 14)[edit]

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Theroadislong was:
This draft's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article. In summary, the draft needs multiple published sources that are:
Make sure you add references that meet these criteria before resubmitting. Learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue. If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.
Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.
Theroadislong (talk) 20:10, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Teahouse logo
Hello, 79.167.195.6! Having an article draft declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! Theroadislong (talk) 20:10, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Pangration. The Ancient Greek martial art.[edit]

I have just added on the Wikipedia link "Martial Arts", the following: Pangration is the first historically documented martial art. Pangration was considered the best competition in the ancient Olympic Games - Philostratos describes it as "the best in Olympia" («το εν Oλυμπία το κάλλιστον»). It was introduced to the Olympic Games in the year 648 BC. The numerous ancient vase paintings suggest a complete martial art, with kicks, holds, punches, wrestling techniques, boxing, throws. Many of Pagratio's techniques are similar to techniques found in today's martial arts. Aristotle said: "Good for wrestling is he who is able to squeeze and hold his opponent; good for boxing is he who can repel his opponent with blows. Anyone who is capable of both is good for pangration " ("ὁ δὲ θλίβειν καὶ κατέχειν παλαιστικός, ὁ δὲ ὦσαι τῇ πληγῇ πυκτικός, ὁ δ’ ἀμφοτέροις τούτοις παγκρατιαστικός"). The sources of the historical times mentioned in the pankration cover the period from the 8th century BC to the 12th century AD. [1] This martial art was spread to the depths of Asia by the soldiers of Alexander the Great, who practiced it, during the campaign of Alexander the Great in the 4th century BC. Alexander the Great reached India. From there it is known that martial arts spread to China and then to Japan and Korea in the known forms. [2] Orphic texts between 12,000 – 4,000 BC! (verse 586)

"This Pangratio gave to old Heracles, a silver krater as a prize for Pangration, a silver krater of many varieties".

According to the verse, Herakles was therefore given a silver prize for his performance in the Pacration. This report certifies that at that time the Pangration did not simply exist but that high performance in it could be evaluated with specific criteria and awarded with a prize of monetary value. The historical analyst takes into account that Orpheus lived before the Trojan War which dates back to of 3000 BC. so the text is considered more ancient. [3]

In N. Gardiner's book "Athletics of the ancient world" Oxford Univ.Press NY on page 16 it is stated that jiu jitsu was taught to the Japanese by the Chinese warriors. This sport seems to be today the closest in technique to Pagration. On page 14 it is mentioned that the Chinese boxers are very similar to the Greek Pankratiastes. The similarities between the Chinese and the Ancient Greeks go beyond martial arts and even touch a Chinese ball sport, which according to the author has great similarities to the Ancient Greek sport Episkyros. In other words, there is a more general identification in sports matters. [4]

According to Oyama Masutatsu, some years later (6th century AD), the spread of a martial art with a limited number of exercises and wrestling techniques began in China in the Shaolin monastery. But in Greece, Pagratio, long before the time of Buddha (500 BC) was already an Olympic sport. The earliest evidence of the use of the martial art by the Shaolin monks dates back to 728 AD, which concerns two cases: the defense of the Shaolin Monastery from robbers around 610 AD; , and then their role in defeating Wang Shichong at the Battle of Hulao in 621 AD. [5]

The Spartans are said to have practiced at Pangratium, an area only accessible by bridges, which were dropped as soon as the athletes crossed them and raised again just before dark. In this way no athlete could avoid the whole training or give up. That's why athletes could turn into fierce warriors when it was called for, who would fight all day non-stop regardless of the size and equipment of the enemy.

Pangratio, the mother of martial arts. History & spread of the sport – Dr. Athanasios Nakasis, head of the Department of Restoration of Ancient Monuments of the Greek Ministry of Culture, Vice-President of the World Federation of Pancration https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKTbq9IuTTk

[6]

Some date this beginning to the twelfth millennium BC. Until today, the oldest performances-witnesses have been found in an ancient saying of 1700 BC, in Agia Triada in Crete. Herakles and Theseus are mentioned as the inventors of Pancratium. A particularly tough, imposing, spectacular, defensive sport, with intense movement and competition, with characteristic freedom in the ingenuity of movements and tricks. With Alexander the Great's campaign in Asia Minor, Persia, India and Tibet, his soldiers taught the pangrate sport to the peoples of these Asian countries. The paternity of the pancratio in all martial arts competitions has been recognized by learned historians of these arts, such as Masutatsu Oyama, the founder of the technique of the sport "Kyoku Shin Kai" in his book "Vital Karate". [7]

[8]

HISTORY OF PANGRATION ATΗLIMA - WORLD PANGRATION ATHLIMA FEDERATION [9]

Pankration Reconstruction in " Martial Arts Road" South Korea Documentary series https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efAaCrFisrg [10]

Nonetheless, contemporary historians who have researched and studied the history of pankration have come to the conclusion that this martial art is much older in reality than most historians originally thought. The first mention of pankration takes us back to the mythological stories of Heracles and Theseus who, according to the myths, both used techniques of pankration to fight the Nemean Lion and the Minotaur, respectively. According to the same source, pankration wasn’t only an Olympic sport (as most historians wrongly believed until recently), but a war technique that both the Spartan hoplites and Alexander the Great’s Macedonian phalanx used in battle. One of the most famous stories involving a pankratiast and a famous historical figure is that of Dioxippus and Alexander the Great. Dioxippus was an Olympic champion in pankration from Athens who volunteered to join Alexander’s army on its expedition into Asia. Alexander was known for his passion for combat sports, so he made Dioxippus an elite member of his close circle, which made many of his soldiers jealous. One of them was Coragus, a highly skilled and decorated warrior who challenged Dioxippus to armed combat in front of Alexander and the rest of the troops. Coragus fought with weapons and full armor, while Dioxippus showed up armed only with a club. This didn’t stop him, however, from dismantling Coragus - yet he did not kill him. Dioxippus’s pankration skills were too much for Coragus to handle despite his fierce fighting capabilities... The Romans eventually adopted pankration, which they called pancratium in Latin. But in 393 AD, this ancient martial art, along with gladiatorial combat and all pagan festivals, was abolished by the Christian Byzantine emperor Theodosius I. With this act, pankration would gradually disappear over the centuries, until a Greek-American martial artist named Jim Arvanitis rediscovered it 1969. Arvanitis’ work went on to make it famous around the world by the mid-seventies. Essentially the only rules that existed in the Olympic version of pankration prohibited pankratiasts from eye gouging, biting, and striking the opponent’s genitals. These rules were the main reason why Spartans did not take part in the games, as they considered that they would become more self-indulgent, which would ultimately affect them on the battlefield. Apparently Spartans didn’t follow any rules even when they engaged in sports. Even though Greek-American martial artist Jim Arvanitis continually refined the modern version of pankration with reference to historical sources, the modern sport is considered way too civilized and light compared with its ancient original. His efforts, however, were recognized by Black Belt magazine and Arvanitis is considered a pioneer of one of the fastest-growing combat sports, mixed martial arts (MMA). A Japanese MMA organization is named Pancrase in honor of pankration. Some of the former champions of the organization include MMA legends Ken Shamrock, Bas Rutten, Joshn Barnett, and Semmy Schilt, who is widely considered the greatest heavyweight kick boxer of all time.

Pancrase is the most complete martial arts fighting system. It is the original Mixed Martial Arts (MMA). It incorporates all the striking of Muay Thai and Karate, all the takedowns of wrestling, all the submission of Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, and all the throws of Judo. It can be used as a self-defense system but is designed to fight not necessarily defend yourself from and attacker and get away. Our basic classes are designed for the student to learn the art. Anyone can train. There is not requirement to get in the cage and fight. That is an option for those that want to but not for the average student learning the art. Fight team and sparring practices are not part of the basic classes. You can earn rank as a self-defense practitioner or as a fighter.

History of PANCRASE


“The Father of Mixed Martial Arts”

The origin of UFC-type Mixed Martial Arts (MMA) dates back to the ancient Greek Olympic games. First introduced in 648 B.C. at the 33rd Olympiad, a form of free-style martial arts called Pancration (Pancrase) would soon become the most popular and demanding of all athletic sports. Olympic Pancration integrated every physical and mental resource; hands and feet, mind and spirit, in the closest simulation of competitive fighting that any culture has ever allowed. It was considered the ultimate Olympic sport for over a thousand years.

However, it was more than just a sport. Called by Philostratos the “Worthiest ontest in the Olympiads and the most important preparation for warriors”, Pancration was the martial training of the Greek and Spartan armies and was taken to India with the legions of Alexander the Great, where it became the accepted ancestor of the oriental martial arts.

Today, Pancrase MMA is experiencing a worldwide re-birth with an increasing number of martial artists and athletes being drawn to the ancient “King of Olympic Sports”. Pancrase MMA is the ultimate martial art of modern times.


[11]

Adakiko disagrees with that sentence and he deleted it. I would like to have your opinion so this to be dissolved. 79.167.195.6 (talk) 22:29, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Hellenic Federation of Pangration - The history of Pangration. https://pangration.org/index.php/istoria-tou-athlimatos
  2. ^ Pangration. The Olympic Games - The Martial Art of the Ancient Greeks, Lazaros E. Savvidis, Eleftheri Skepsis, 3rd edition, 2004.
  3. ^ Pangration. The mother of martial arts https://greekcultureellinikospolitismos.wordpress.com/2018/05/11/το-παγκράτιον-η-μητέρα-των-πολεμικών-τ/
  4. ^ N. Gardiner ” Athletics of the ancient world” Oxford Univ.Press NY, p. 14 and p. 16
  5. ^ Pangration. The mother of martial arts https://greekcultureellinikospolitismos.wordpress.com/2018/05/11/το-παγκράτιον-η-μητέρα-των-πολεμικών-τ/
  6. ^ Pangration, the mother of martial arts. History & spread of the sport – Dr. Athanasios Nakasis, head of the Department of Restoration of Ancient Monuments of the Greek Ministry of Culture, Vice-President of the World Federation of Pancration https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKTbq9IuTTk
  7. ^ Masutatsu Oyama, the founder of the technique of the sport "Kyoku Shin Kai" in his book "Vital Karate"
  8. ^ Pangration, the mother of martial arts https://www.schizas.com/pagkration-i-mitera-ton-polemikon-texnon/
  9. ^ WORLD PANGRATION ATHLIMA FEDERATION - HISTORY OF PANGRATION ATΗLIMA https://www.worldpangration.net/index.php/explore
  10. ^ Pankration Reconstruction in " Martial Arts Road" South Korea Documentary series https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efAaCrFisrg
  11. ^ Pankration: A Deadly Martial Art Form from Ancient Greece. https://wrightskarate.com/2021/11/27/pankration/

Managing a conflict of interest[edit]

Information icon Hello, 79.167.195.6. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about on Wikipedia, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a conflict of interest may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for organizations for more information. We ask that you:

In addition, you are required by the Wikimedia Foundation's terms of use to disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution which forms all or part of work for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation. See Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure.

Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Thank you. Acroterion (talk) 12:05, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If this is a shared IP address, and you did not make the edits referred to above, consider creating an account for yourself or logging in with an existing account so that you can avoid further irrelevant notices.

October 2022[edit]

Stop icon with clock
Anonymous users from this IP address have been blocked from editing from certain pages (Martial arts and Pankration) for a period of 1 week for edit warring.
During a dispute, you should first try to discuss controversial changes and seek consensus. If that proves unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection.
If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}.  Kinu t/c 17:18, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Retrieved from "https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:79.167.195.6&oldid=1116288730"