Template:Did you know nominations/William Fowler (Brothertown Indian)
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The result was: rejected by — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:09, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
Referencing
William Fowler (Brothertown Indian)[edit]
- ... that William Fowler, a member of the Brothertown Indian tribe which had been removed to Wisconsin from upstate New York, in 1845 became Wisconsin's first non-white legislator?
Created/expanded by Orangemike (talk). Self nom at 14:32, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
Article meets size criteria. Sources are reliable. Background section needs references, which is crucial since its facts are embedded within the hook. Lajbi Holla @ me • CP 09:31, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
- The adjustments that have been made still doesn't back up the claims. I haven't found anything about the Great Lakes, Wisconsin, or 1831-1836 in pp. 271-279 in Thomas Commuck's Document M: Fourth and Fifth Annual Reports and Collections of State Historical Society. Lajbi Holla @ me • CP 18:25, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
- Previous problems fixed. Some statements still requires clarification. The fact that he was "the first non-white legislator" isn't backed up by the references [1] and [2] in the introduction of the article, which claims that. Lajbi Holla @ me • CP 08:12, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
- The fact that he was an Indian was deemed so extraordinary as to deserve a footnote every year in the annual Annals of the Legislature in the state Blue Book. The first black legislator, Lucien Palmer was not to be elected until the early 20th century, and there is evidence to suggest that he was elected accidentally, since he shared a name with a prominent Masonic leader of the area and was not re-elected two years later. Wisconsin has not, to my knowledge, ever elected an Asian/Pacific or Australian Aboriginal legislator. How on Earth do I further document what is widely known to Wisconsin historians? --Orange Mike | Talk 17:05, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
- If it is widely known to Wisconsin historians then those people probably published it as well on numerous occasions. Just cite one of them. Otherwise if it is based on "to your knowledge" then it is out of question WP:OR. A good and recent DYK example for a similar statement properly cited is William Thompson (Medal of Honor, 1950), who was the "first African American to be awarded the Medal of Honor", but contrary to the current case it was nicely referenced. The same would be needed here. Lajbi Holla @ me • CP 20:01, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
- The fact that he was an Indian was deemed so extraordinary as to deserve a footnote every year in the annual Annals of the Legislature in the state Blue Book. The first black legislator, Lucien Palmer was not to be elected until the early 20th century, and there is evidence to suggest that he was elected accidentally, since he shared a name with a prominent Masonic leader of the area and was not re-elected two years later. Wisconsin has not, to my knowledge, ever elected an Asian/Pacific or Australian Aboriginal legislator. How on Earth do I further document what is widely known to Wisconsin historians? --Orange Mike | Talk 17:05, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
No improvements have been made in the past week, so I'd say no to this nomination. Anyhow other editors are welcomed to contradict me and re-review the artilce if they feel so. Lajbi Holla @ me • CP 15:03, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
