Template:Did you know nominations/The Lucifer Effect

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 07:53, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

The Lucifer Effect

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• ... that Philip Zimbardo (pictured), author of The Lucifer Effect and lead of the famous Stanford Prison Experiment, was an expert witness for the defense of a soldier involved in the Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse case? Source: Edvin Straub review- "He had an additional connection to Abu Ghraib as an expert defense witness for Sergeant Fredericks, whom the media and the literature about Abu Ghraib have identified as one of the ringleaders of the abuse of prisoners."
  • ALT1:... that Philip Zimbardo (pictured), who wrote about his famous Stanford Prison Experiment in The Lucifer Effect, was an expert witness for the defense of a soldier involved in the Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse case? Source: Edvin Straub review- "He had an additional connection to Abu Ghraib as an expert defense witness for Sergeant Fredericks, whom the media and the literature about Abu Ghraib have identified as one of the ringleaders of the abuse of prisoners."
  • ALT2:... that the 2007 book The Lucifer Effect was Philip Zimbardo's (pictured) first detailed, written account of the events of the famous Stanford Prison Experiment? Source: Review by Rose McDermott

• Comment: Hook is right at 200 characters, there may be room to squeeze it a bit more. ALT1 drops a couple characters. Open to ideas on which sentence order reads more naturally. ALT2 is just a barebones backup. -- Netoholic @ 11:25, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

Created by Netoholic (talk). Self-nominated at 11:25, 23 June 2018 (UTC).

• ALT3:... that in the book The Lucifer Effect, author Philip Zimbardo (pictured) examines parallels between his famous 1971 Stanford Prison Experiment and the Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse case in 2003? Source: Edvin Straub review- "Writing in the current political context, Zimbardo carefully connects the events, experiences, and lessons of those days with the recent torture and abuse scandals concerning American troops that took place in Abu Ghraib prison in 2003."

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

• Cited: - That it's the first detailed account is not cited in the article and also should not appear only in the lede because the lede serves to summarize what is in the article.
• Interesting:
• Other problems: - ALT0 and ALT1 are not about the subject but about the author, so they are not useful to generate interest in the article. ALT2 is okay but maybe find something that is actually about the book. If you want to get the author in DYK, you can always GA that article.

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: @Netoholic: See comments above. SoWhy 12:13, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

• To editor SoWhy: I've added an ALT3 which might draw more focus to the book and not so much about the author (but its hard to separate the two because this book IS where the author goes into this topic). I still think the original hook is the more interesting one. -- Netoholic @ 12:57, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

• • @Netoholic: ALT3 would be okay with me but I still maintain that ALT0 and ALT1 are too focused on the author to actually make people click on the link they are supposed to. The ALT3 hook is not cited in the article though. Regards SoWhy 13:37, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
    • To editor SoWhy: - ALT3 is cited in the lines that start "There is also an examination of the Standford experiment's relevance to events such as the Attica Prison riot and the torture and abuse of prisoners in the Abu Ghraib prison" and go to the end of that paragraph. -- Netoholic @ 13:48, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
      • @Netoholic: Per WP:DYKRULES #3b: Each fact in the hook must be supported in the article by at least one inline citation to a reliable source, appearing no later than the end of the sentence(s) offering that fact. Citations at the end of the paragraph are not sufficient. (emphasis added) Regards SoWhy 14:01, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
        • To editor SoWhy: - Done. -- Netoholic @ 14:09, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
          • with ALT3 or ALT2. If the user creating the set thinks ALT0 or ALT1 are good as well, I won't object. Regards SoWhy 14:18, 6 July 2018 (UTC)