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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Vaticidalprophet (talk) 09:56, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

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Robert J. Parins

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Improved to Good Article status by Gonzo fan2007 (talk). Self-nominated at 15:31, 14 August 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Robert J. Parins; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

  • More of a comment than a review but I wonder if the fact that he was both a judge and one-time president of the Packers would be a better hook, without the serial killer angle. To me at least that seemed more unusual or intriguing than him judging that specific case. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:26, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
    • Sorry Narutolovehinata5, I thought your comment was more directed to a future reviewer. I don't mind other Alts being proposed; that said, the two things that put Parins in the news and saw the most coverage about him were his Packers career and his ruling on Dahmer. I think the Dahmer angle also probably draws people in more than just "he was a judge and an American football president". Happy to see an Alt if you want to propose one though. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 14:46, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
Something like this then?
ALT1 ... that Robert J. Parins served as a judge before and after a stint as president of the Green Bay Packers?
I'll leave it to the reviewer to decide if this or the original hook is more suitable. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:04, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
  • I will review this in the coming days! WatkynBassett (talk) 19:23, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
  • The article was promoted to GA on 14 August 2023 and nominated on the same day.
  • The article clearly has over 1,500 characters of readable prose.
  • The article is sourced. I did spot checks on a few sources; they checked out and a GA spot-check was done as well. More academic sources would be brilliant, but there are probably none here.
  • The article is written in a neutral and non-promotional tone.
  • Earwig did not pick up many relevant issues. I would, however, suggest to rephrase "He graduated from Green Bay East High School in 1936" and maybe also "first indoor practice facility and expanded" as both are quite similar to the Packers bio.
  • QPQ: Done.
  • @Gonzo fan2007: Hook: I will review the hook tomorrow. Nice work so far! WatkynBassett (talk) 19:55, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
    • Hook: Original: The original hook has the right length and is - in my view - hooky, because Dahmer still has half a million page views per month, and anything connected to him is thus quite interesting to many people (though I myself find killers quite boring). One issue, however, could be that it is a bit of WP:SYNTH, because no individual source cited above makes the connection. As both are factual statements, I nevertheless am unconcerned in this case, and the inline citation to the Journal Times makes the connection itself.
    • Hook: ALT1: Narutolovehinata5 I found the original hook a bit more interesting due to the Dahmer-connection.
      • Result: @Gonzo fan2007: Nice work on this article and thank you for creating free knowledge! I will approve the original hook when the two close paraphrasing issues identified above are dealt with. WatkynBassett (talk) 05:53, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
        • WatkynBassett thanks for the review. Regarding your close paraphrase items, both are instances of WP:LIMITED. (1) There are only so many ways to say "He graduated from high school". (2) The phrase "first indoor practice facility" is a specific thing, its a noun (facility) modified by three cumulative adjectives. Rearranging the phrase to be something awkward like "The Packers constructed a facility that for the first time provided indoor space for practices" is honestly just silly. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 13:43, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
        • After giving this some thought, your arguments convinced me. Ticked! WatkynBassett (talk) 15:25, 4 September 2023 (UTC)


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