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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 20:19, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

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Predator: The Secret Scandal of J-Pop

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Created by Lullabying (talk).

Number of QPQs required: 2. DYK is currently in unreviewed backlog mode and nominator has 47 past nominations.

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lullabying (talk) 01:38, 23 March 2024 (UTC).

  • Article is new enough and long enough. Hook fact is verified to the cited source and is interesting and of appropriate length. However, there are issues that need addressing. While normally plot summaries do not need citations, this is a documentary about real people and real events of a highly sensitive and controversial nature. While Kitagawa is no longer living, many of his victims are still alive. The events discussed in the summary involve living people. For this reason, even the summary needs to be thoroughly cited to high quality sources to pass the spirit of our WP:BLP guidelines. There are currently not enough inline citations in that section to pass a DYK review. Additionally the hook fact itself is not as strongly or explicitly stated in the current prose of the article as it in the hook. In order to promote this hook, the current text needs to be altered to more closely match the language in the hook fact. Lastly, the use of the word "talents" reads strangely. While it is true that talent managers manage creative people, the plural form of that word when assigned to people has no s. (i.e. "I manage the talent." is correct when referring to people in the plural form and "I manage the talents." is incorrect) Talents with an s is limited to referring to skills. That wording needs to be addressed. I would suggest not using the word talent at all when referring to people he was managing as a group, and instead using the word creatives. Once these issues are addressed please ping me.4meter4 (talk) 03:50, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
    • Thanks for reviewing. I don't think "creatives" is a good word to describe them. The way the Japanese pop industry works is that young people are contracted within a talent company where they learn to sing and dance. The company then arranges their line-up, name, image, and song when they feel they are ready to debut a certain group or individual, in which they are known as idols. A career as an idol is usually seen as a stepping stone for other fields in entertainment, usually as an actor or personality (AKA someone who becomes a panelist/regular on variety shows). Johnny & Associates' acts are either groups/singers, actors, or television personalities. What is a better word used to describe all of this? They are not "creatives" in that most of them don't produce their own works. lullabying (talk) 23:48, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
@Lullabying Entertainers would be suitable. Or you could just call them clients of Johnny & Associates which is what they were. You'll need to go through and remove all uses of the word "talents". Let me know when the article has been properly sourced.4meter4 (talk) 01:47, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
@4meter4 I added more sources and removed some statements. Please feel free to look! Thanks. lullabying (talk) 00:56, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
@Lullabying Much improved. Good work. The only issue remaining is that the hook fact needs to be stated more clearly in the article. While the hook fact is kind of there, I think the phrase "widely unreported in Japanese media" needs to be directly stated in those words in the article with an inline citation at the end of the sentence. That should only require tweaking the prose slightly to do that. Once that is done, I can approve this.4meter4 (talk) 02:44, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
@4meter4: Done! lullabying (talk) 04:15, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
All issues were successfully addressed. All DYK criteria has now been met. This hook can be promoted.4meter4 (talk) 04:20, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
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