Template:Did you know nominations/Pauline Bennett
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The result was: promoted by Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 11:01, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
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Pauline Bennett[edit]
- ... that Big Brother: Power Trip contestant Pauline Bennett has been featured on four UK top 75 hits?
- Comment: Bennett will be celebrating her fiftieth birthday in the house, thus could this be mainpaged on her birthday.
Moved to mainspace by Launchballer (talk). Self nominated at 17:42, 7 June 2014 (UTC).
Length, history and reference verified. Have we missed her birthday? Daniel Case (talk) 04:47, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Article was new enough when nominated. Article is long enough. Article appears to be within policy. Hook meets length requirement (101 characters). The problem is that there's no evidence that the DNA remix of Shocked charted (versus the original song). The fact Bennett was in the song is easily found online but isn't reliably sourced in the article, either. Editor provided no evidence of QPQ. Chris Troutman (talk) 04:57, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
- I have no idea when her birthday is; it would appear we have missed it, but I can't find any evidence to suggest that she has celebrated it. As for the DNA remix, the source says that only the DNA remix was released as a single (which was the only mix to feature Bennett) and The Official Charts Company attributes the chart entry to "Kylie Minogue ft. Jazzi P". QPQ done.--Launchballer 09:45, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
- Launchballer, the "Shocked" remix is sourced to a Kylie Minogue fan site (FN3: KylieUnlimited), and thus not sufficiently reliable; you'll need to find a reliable source for this. Furthermore, the one Official Charts Company source you do have (FN4) does not mention Jazzi P (is it "Jazzy" or "Jazzi"?) as an artist on "Shocked"; it's credited solely to Minogue. If there is another Official Charts page with an entry that does mention Pauline under her stage name, you'll need to source it in the article. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:40, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
- I've fixed the "Shocked" remix, but I can't find a consensus as to whether it is "Jazzy P" or "Jazzi P" thus I am loathed to include it for fear of bias. I am considering writing a new section giving a balanced argument between the two names. Or would it be removed as unencyclopedic?--Launchballer 13:36, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
- I have no idea whether Discogs is a reliable source (very possibly not), but this page gives no fewer than five variants of her name. Writing an entire section based on variant spellings strikes me as WP:UNDUE; if you just mention in a single sentence that there are a number of variant spellings including Jazzi P and Jazzy P (and cite a couple of sources for each) that should be sufficient. A 1991 source reviewing the Minogue single that mentions Bennett might be nice, and give an idea of contemporaneous credits. The use of the BB episode to source that the Minogue single wasn't originally going to be released strikes me as dubious; I'd want a "time" during the episode for anything that specific. I'm still waiting for an Official Charts source that includes the "ft. Jazzi P" part, since the one source you give from them does not mention a featured artist. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:50, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
- Discogs anyone can edit, so no, it's not a reliable source and honestly I'm surprised you don't know that. No Official Charts source exists that includes the "ft. Jazzi P" bit, and I can't find any reviews which mention Jazzy P. I don't know the time, but I think Bennett said it before she went into the house.--Launchballer 17:34, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
- Launchballer, what is going on with this nomination? Archaeologists will soon be uncovering the remains of the Big Brother House which is believed to have had some cultural significance back in the 20th century, so it might be a good time to get this on the main page (That's a joke about how long this nomination has been open; just mentioning that to save anybody a trip out to see the dig) Belle (talk) 12:25, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
- Discogs anyone can edit, so no, it's not a reliable source and honestly I'm surprised you don't know that. No Official Charts source exists that includes the "ft. Jazzi P" bit, and I can't find any reviews which mention Jazzy P. I don't know the time, but I think Bennett said it before she went into the house.--Launchballer 17:34, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
- I have no idea whether Discogs is a reliable source (very possibly not), but this page gives no fewer than five variants of her name. Writing an entire section based on variant spellings strikes me as WP:UNDUE; if you just mention in a single sentence that there are a number of variant spellings including Jazzi P and Jazzy P (and cite a couple of sources for each) that should be sufficient. A 1991 source reviewing the Minogue single that mentions Bennett might be nice, and give an idea of contemporaneous credits. The use of the BB episode to source that the Minogue single wasn't originally going to be released strikes me as dubious; I'd want a "time" during the episode for anything that specific. I'm still waiting for an Official Charts source that includes the "ft. Jazzi P" part, since the one source you give from them does not mention a featured artist. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:50, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
I found a source - page 77 of Kylie: La La La, which I don't think passes WP:GNG or WP:NBOOK. After this article has been frontpaged, I will be AfDing that article.--Launchballer 18:02, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
- I'm not sure you know what you are getting into by casting aspersions on the notability of Kylie's works, but if you want to put your head in the lion's mouth (metaphorical lion, I'm not saying Kylie has a big mouth; she has though, hasn't she?), so be it. (There is still a "citation needed" tag in the article, I can't remember if one of the DYK rules says the article must be cn tag free, but as I can't be bothered to look it up, I'm going to say that it is a rule...) Please clear the citation needed tag as this is one of the DYK rules. Belle (talk) 12:26, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
- Three web mentions: Methodsofdance.wordpress.com; Whosampled.com; Historicalbeats.com; of which one is self-published, another is freely editable, and the third I'm not sure about. If Historicalbeats.com is reliable, we're done here, if not I need to make another trip to the library.--Launchballer 18:45, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
- Historicalbeats.com doesn't look very "official", but I've checked the rules for DYK and it doesn't say anywhere that you can't have an occasional cn tag (it's like a cry for help), so....
- Three web mentions: Methodsofdance.wordpress.com; Whosampled.com; Historicalbeats.com; of which one is self-published, another is freely editable, and the third I'm not sure about. If Historicalbeats.com is reliable, we're done here, if not I need to make another trip to the library.--Launchballer 18:45, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
Passing on the basis of previous reviews and AGF on the Lalala Kylie book reference. Nobody return this from prep for any reason unless they want a Chinese burn. Belle (talk) 00:16, 6 August 2014 (UTC)