Talk:Tomb of Aaron (Jordan)

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Removed unsourced sentence from the lead[edit]

"In Jewish tradition, the location of Aaron's grave, like that of Moses, is shrouded in mystery."

  1. Unsourced
  2. Seems to contradict what we know from Josephus, as well as the Hebrew graffiti discovered at the shrine offering proof of Jewish pilgrimage to the site.
  3. It probably refers to religious traditions, which are outside scripture, and have little bearing on how the site is actually perceived.

I have removed the unsourced and misleading passage. There are many legends in Jewish religious lore, reflected and expanded further by Muslim lore, with caves, miracles, a flying tomb, crumbling mountains etc., but that is no more true about Jewish tradition than of Muslim tradition, and yet, by not being scripture, all this is widely ignored in terms of how the site the article is about is regarded: religious pilgrims (try to) go there. Religion, especially folk religion, can do nicely, thank you very much, without logic and historical proof. And when somebody is looking for proof, the Bible and Josephus come in handy. Arminden (talk) 02:06, 3 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Other sites[edit]

There are 2 different locations named in the Hebrew Bible, Mount Hor and Moseroth (Mosera), and each of them has different interpretations, plus the Muslims have at least one more tradition, so we have

  • Mount Hor
    • Hor, location A
    • Hor, location B, and maybe more alternatives.
  • Moseroth (Mosera)
    • Moseroth, location A
    • Moseroth, location B, and maybe more alternatives.
  • Muslims tradition(s) for the tomb of Harun
    • In Sinai (local tradition)
    • More local traditions? Does anyone know any such places? Major figures usually have lots of traditional Islamic burial sites.

That is why "Tomb of Aaron (Jordan)" is a good way of indicating this multiplicity of traditions and interpretations. Please do not rename (move) w/o at least a thorough discussion. Thanks, Arminden (talk) 14:01, 14 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Synoman Barris: hi. This here is why limiting Tomb of Aaron to Tomb of Aaron (Jordan) is not a good idea, as you have done with your redirect. If someone wants to write an article about, say, the Sinai tradition, they must first apply to remove that redirect, and that's a headache. Read the article, understand the intricacies, talk, and only then move or introduce a redirect :) Now I don't know what's best. Arminden (talk) 15:28, 14 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Arminden, how am I involved here? Never created the redirect nor moved this article. Cheers Megan B.... It’s all coming to me till the end of time 15:38, 14 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Synoman Barris:I don't know what to say. Maybe somebody has stolen your identity? Or, if you have the WP powers to do so, maybe you've OKed the move done by Dan Palraz, from "Tomb of Aaron (Jordan)" to "Tomb of Aaron" "over redirect", as the edit summary says (I think he blanked the article and moved the content to what used to be the redirect). I can't think of any other logical option. Anyway, I got the following email:
Wikipedia page Tomb of Aaron has been changed by Synoman Barris
14 Jan. at 13:28
Wikipedia <wiki@wikimedia.org>
To: Arminden .......
Dear Arminden,
The Wikipedia page Tomb of Aaron has been changed on 14 January 2022 by Synoman Barris, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomb_of_Aaron for the current revision.
Editor's summary: -
Contact the editor:
mail: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Synoman_Barris
wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Synoman_Barris
etc. What do you make of this? Arminden (talk) 20:03, 14 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Arminden, I only added a tag to the redirect (R from move) and never actually edited anything or any content. Am not even familiar with the topic. Hope that clears the air.
P.S I don't know the editor mentioned above and never endorsed any move. Cheers Megan B.... It’s all coming to me till the end of time 20:23, 14 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
​OK, so that was it. No edit summary = I cannot guess what went on. The air has always been clear! Only tried to keep this page safe from well-intended and at first sight logical, but contentwise unhelpful edits. Have a great day (or evening), cheers, Arminden (talk) 20:31, 14 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Access[edit]

Access is an essential aspect. It's a difficult hike, one would hate to go and be turned away. Not clear though if any police was ever stationed at this very remote location, even if the photo shows an uniformed and armed man.

The building has little to offer, but the view is amazing. I guess the staff at the entrance to Petra can always inform tourists about possible restrictions. Does anyone know who is officially in charge? Thanks, Arminden (talk) 16:19, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

History & description: total rewrite needed[edit]

The main source seems both inaccurate (not RS for sure) and poorly translated from Arabic.

  • Chronology
  • Was it a church first? When?
  • When did it become a mosque?
  • What does the mountaintop structure consist of? Main room, crypt, dome: describe as one structure. There is only ONE building at the peak of the mountain.
  • The monastery below is DISTINCT from the mountaintop structure, even if there was initially a connection (chapel over the tomb, monastery below related to it, serving monks & pilgrims). It deserves its own section, maybe own article. It's been fully excavated and published.

Arminden (talk) 17:11, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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