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The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that the 1953 Chinese painting The Founding Ceremony of the Nation was modified and even repainted, as some of those depicted were purged from government and later rehabilitated?
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Re Chinese and pinyin[edit]

You may not have noticed that 开国 (in the lede sentence) is Simplified Chinese and 開國 (on the box) is Traditional. If you are only going to use one it would be the simplified.

Since this is a proper noun both words should be capitalized if I read Pinyin#Words.2C_capitalization.2C_initialisms_and_punctuation correctly. That will make it Kāiguó Dàdiǎn if you want to include the tone marks, which I'd personally prefer. Siuenti (talk) 13:22, 20 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I certainly have no objection. I would be very grateful if you would make whatever correction is necessary to make things correct and consistent.--Wehwalt (talk) 14:32, 20 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Citations for lede[edit]

Are you sure that everything in the lede that might be challenged is cited somewhere in the article? I'd like one for "one of the most-reproduced paintings of the People's Republic" or is that based on "sold 5,000,000 copies"? I think "arguably the most celebrated work of official Chinese art" would be a possible replacement or addition. Siuenti (talk) 16:39, 25 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, I overlooked that. Even if a source said that, can they really know? I like your second one better and will change it.--Wehwalt (talk) 16:47, 25 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Bring damnatio memoriae inline[edit]

It would be nice to remove the "see also" section by bringing damnatio memoriae inline. I believe this German thing is a reliable source making the comparison so you can say "an example of damnatio memoriae" or something. I'd suggest one paragraph quickly explaining who went away/came back and when before going into detail. Siuenti (talk) 13:43, 26 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Can you tell me where it says that so I can cite page number? And do you mean add a summary in the lede? I was thinking of a summary chart of the changes might be useful. In the peer review, it was suggested having the images in a sort of slideshow but I still haven't found a copy of the 1972 version.--Wehwalt (talk) 13:57, 26 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I mean a summary at the top of "Later history and political changes". If you search the pdf for "in Rom" you'll see the bit about damnation memoriae. It says Dong retouched the painting at the party's request, retouching wasn't a new way of "correcting history"... in Rome they had damnatio memoriae. But you should really get someone who knows better German than me to check it.
Diese von Dong Xiwen auf Parteiwunsch kreierte Version wurde wiederum medial verbreitet ...
Die Retusche als Mittel der Geschichtskorrektur war nicht neu ...
In Rom galt die damnatio memoria als höchste Strafe.

Siuenti (talk) 14:23, 26 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Gerda Arendt could you do me a favor and take a look at this? Thanks.--Wehwalt (talk) 14:49, 26 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, but not right now, possibly tomorrow. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:45, 26 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Interesting source, but for a decent comparison of that article and the WP article, I'd need more time than I have today. The sentence in question is on page 220, preceded by mentioning that already in ancient Egypt, memory of pharaos who were not approved anymore (missliebig=literally: fallen out of love) was tried to be erased by destroying both their images and the mentioning of their names. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:41, 27 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
That's all we need. Thank you. I got a sense of the content with Google translate and I think that's the main point we need to add.--Wehwalt (talk) 13:51, 27 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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