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Pronouns[edit]

Does this article use the proper pronouns, that is the pronoun(s) prefered by the subject of this article? I figured this should be sorted out before the article gets much longer.3Juno3 (talk) 12:17, 15 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If you go through the external links, you'll see that Rasmussen addresses himself as male, and considers himself not transsexual or a woman but a crossdressing man (though it isn't very common for crossdressers to undergo bodily modifications, it's not the first case out there). Funilly enough the guys in the portuguese article get it totally wrong, if people just read something about what they're writing before hacking a whole article... 87.196.21.238 (talk) 12:01, 26 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Not transgender[edit]

I looked at the sources, and while the headline and first paragraphs say he's transgender, Rasmussen himself is quoted saying he identifies as a heterosexual male, he just likes looking like a female (has even had breast implants). That does not fit the definition of transgender, and it is a violation of BLP to identify someone as LGBT without self-identification. -- AvatarMN (talk) 07:16, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Transgender includes a variety of gender variant people including cross-dressers and people who are any stage of transitioning. Being heterosexual does not mean they can't also be transgender. One is sexuality, the other is gender identity. -- Banjeboi 11:12, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

But he doesn't self-identify as transgender, whatever anyone else thinks it means. I emphasized his heterosexuality only because if he wasn't trans, then he wasn't any part of LGBT. -- AvatarMN (talk) 23:13, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If he "just likes looking like a female (has even had breast implants)" then he is, by definition, gender variant and considered transgender. If someone doesn't identify as gay but we have reliable sources that call them such then we can say although ___ doesn't label themselves as gay independent news media do or similar. Just because this person doesn't loudly proclaim they are a part of a clinical category doesn't mean they aren't, just that for whatever reasons they don't like the term or category or maybe the concept of categorizing. But that's not a reason to take them out of the category. Many prefer Intersex or many other variants but wikipedia generally lumps them all into Transgender which is the most widely accepted term presently. -- Banjeboi 06:07, 2 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Agree that if sources have called him transgender, then we can repeat it, but i really think we should include his refutation. That the press or editors here believe dressing as a woman makes him transgender does not mean we should completely ignore his self-identification. If he identified as a woman, doesn't a guidline insist we refer to him as such? We have articles about staight woman who dress as women but identify as transgender (eg Poppy Brite), and we tag them as trans. Hence if he identifies as a non-transgender man, we have to respect that too. It works both ways!

If he remains in the category, we must at least explain the disagreements in the article for BLP concerns, imo.Yobmod (talk) 09:11, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Please check this:

"I just happen to be transgendered - something I didn't even know the word for until I discovered it on the Internet. I've been a crossdresser or transvestite my whole life, only 'coming out' recently and thereby discovering that life goes on very nicely."

Maybe the problem here is that there are different definitions of transgender - some people use it as a synonym for transsexual (as far as I know, this usage is more common in english-speaking countries), others as an umbrella term that encompasses very different identities (and that, aside from the fact they're all discriminated against, indeed have very little or nothing in common) such as crossdressers, intersexed people, and transsexual folks. Some use it in a way that homossexual or bissexual people, or a man with long hair, are encompassed by it (but not transsexual people).

Rasmussen is indeed a crossdresser, and thus, by some definitions, transgendered. On an aside, Poppy Brite might be transgendered, but she's not in any way transsexual, even if she chooses to say so - she could also say she is a plane, but lacking wings, fuselage or engines, and being unable to fly, nope :) 87.196.129.131 (talk) 02:35, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

How is he not Trans yet he has breast implants and dresses like a woman and even identifies as being Transgendered? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.162.251.253 (talk) 10:14, 12 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I thought that the above confusion showed that the article could use some clarification. So I added a sentence specifying the nature of his gender-variance. 123.2.119.159 (talk) 22:50, 1 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Pic Request[edit]

Stu will be speaking at an organization to which I belong this summer, so if I don't see him in Silverton, as I often do, I'll ask him for a pic then. Katr67 (talk) 17:32, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Pronouns[edit]

According to this article [1], Stu Rasmussen uses a male pronoun to describe himself and prefers to be referred to as 'him'. We should respect that choice, rather than determining his gender identity for him. I will change the pronouns in this article from 'she' to 'he' accordingly. Robofish (talk) 16:59, 25 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Except in the time it took me to type that, User:Katr67 got there first. Thanks for correcting it. Robofish (talk) 17:00, 25 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. I missed the talk (see above), but if I see him around, I'll let him know about the issue. Katr67 (talk) 17:10, 25 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not First Openly Transgendered Mayor[edit]

Susan Stanton came out of the closet the year before in 2007. Stanton was the mayor of Largo, FL. Rasmussen is the first openly transgender person elected, however, and to serve a full term, as Stanton was fired soon after (but not immediately) Chegitz (talk) 15:33, 21 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

She wasn't a mayor but a "city manager", according to her article. I thought something was off when you wrote "fired". I don't think mayors can get fired.--greenrd (talk) 15:07, 10 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]