Talk:SpaceX Starship flight tests/Archive 2
Orbital launch statistics table[edit]
Should we differentiate between "actual" and prototype vehicles in the Launch statistics table?
Here is what the first table may look like:
- Prototype Failure
- Failure
- Prototype Success
- Success
- Planned Prototype
- Planned
Redacted II (talk) 11:41, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
the FAA refuses to give SpaceX permission to fly again and as such there cannot be two scheduled flights for 2023[edit]
[1]https://www.expressnews.com/business/article/faa-no-spacex-starship-launch-soon-18261658.php therefore I think that graph should be removed. Death Editor 2 (talk) 15:23, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
- The title of this section is misleading. As of today, the FAA has not approved a second flight yet - but that approval could come any day. It is not required or even expected until shortly before the launch anyway. --mfb (talk) 01:24, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
- I don't think that's going to happen. Death Editor 2 (talk) 02:23, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
- Permission to fly wasn't granted until 6 days before IFT-1 (and 3 days before the first attempt). Removing the graph because they don't have approval would make no sense whatsoever. Redacted II (talk) 14:09, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
- Ok, when is the third launch going to happen? Death Editor 2 (talk) 15:42, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
- As far as we know, flights 2 and 3 are planned for 2023.
- Therefore, there are no grounds to change the graph. Redacted II (talk) 16:09, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
- Are you going to keep using this argument until it's new year's eve? Death Editor 2 (talk) 17:43, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
- With New Year's eve being more than 3 months away and the precedence of flights happening days after receipt of permit, I would say to keep the table as is for now. Lklundin (talk) 18:16, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
- By New Years Eve, the chart will have been updated to show 0 planned for 2023 (as no more launches will be planned for the year). But it would be foolish to do that now. Redacted II (talk) 22:40, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
- the second launch is not going to happen much less the third. Death Editor 2 (talk) 18:47, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
- Do you have a reliable source that states "The second flight of Starship won't happen"?
- Please, don't make claims without anything to back them. Redacted II (talk) 20:27, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
- [2]https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/spacex-s-starship-still-needs-wildlife-agency-review-to-resume-launch-1.1973066 I have this, and also when is the mysterious third starship test flight happening? I still hadn't gotten an answer for that. Death Editor 2 (talk) 23:06, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
- That's just saying the launch license hasn't been granted yet. It doesn't state "Launch isn't happening this year". Redacted II (talk) 12:14, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
- Answer my question, when is this mysterious third test flight happening? Death Editor 2 (talk) 18:04, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
- NET Q4 2023. Redacted II (talk) 20:29, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
- and may I ask for your source for this claim? Death Editor 2 (talk) 20:54, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
- Sure. The NASA Commercial LEO Development page for SpaceX had the first payload Q1 2024 (the site was taken down later, or at least the bookmark I had made is now broken).
- The order of flight is S24->S25->S26->28, therefore, flight 3 is Q4 2023.
- But this is just a waste of time. Out of the 4 editors to comment here (including you and me), 3 have sided against you. Redacted II (talk) 21:32, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
- You are using a site that (in your own words) has been taken down for your source? Lol, imao. Death Editor 2 (talk) 21:45, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
- and may I ask for your source for this claim? Death Editor 2 (talk) 20:54, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
- NET Q4 2023. Redacted II (talk) 20:29, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
- Answer my question, when is this mysterious third test flight happening? Death Editor 2 (talk) 18:04, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
- That's just saying the launch license hasn't been granted yet. It doesn't state "Launch isn't happening this year". Redacted II (talk) 12:14, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
- [2]https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/spacex-s-starship-still-needs-wildlife-agency-review-to-resume-launch-1.1973066 I have this, and also when is the mysterious third starship test flight happening? I still hadn't gotten an answer for that. Death Editor 2 (talk) 23:06, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
- the second launch is not going to happen much less the third. Death Editor 2 (talk) 18:47, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
- Are you going to keep using this argument until it's new year's eve? Death Editor 2 (talk) 17:43, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
- Ok, when is the third launch going to happen? Death Editor 2 (talk) 15:42, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
- Permission to fly wasn't granted until 6 days before IFT-1 (and 3 days before the first attempt). Removing the graph because they don't have approval would make no sense whatsoever. Redacted II (talk) 14:09, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
- I don't think that's going to happen. Death Editor 2 (talk) 02:23, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
- (Moving to the left) I don't see how flight 4 planned for Q1 2024 would imply flight 3 to happen in 2023. If the second flight is successful, it's even possible SpaceX does not launch S26 at all and goes directly to S28. A third flight in 2023 looks very unlikely now, but I don't mind either way for the graph. --mfb (talk) 01:46, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
it's not going to happen so why are you pretending that the third flight will happen? Death Editor 2 (talk) 18:41, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
- Do you have a source that states the third flight will be in 2024?
- There isn't any indicator that flight 3 won't happen this year, so until otherwise stated, the graph should show 2 flights planned for this year. Redacted II (talk) 18:46, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
- we have been over this, and [3]https://gizmodo.com/environmental-review-delay-spacex-starship-launch-1850853128 this and [4]https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/spacex-s-starship-still-needs-wildlife-agency-review-to-resume-launch-1.1973066 this Death Editor 2 (talk) 18:55, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
- Yes, and as I said on September 26, 2023 "That's just saying the launch license hasn't been granted yet. It doesn't state "Launch isn't happening this year"".
- Oh, and:
- Do you have a reliable source that directly states "there will only be two flights in 2023"?
- I'd love to see one. Redacted II (talk) 16:46, 6 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- 1. the first flight was called the SpaceX Starship Integrated Flight Test.
- 2. I don't, but I do have a source that says the next test flight might happen in 2024 that you removed for some reason. Death Editor 2 (talk) 16:53, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
- So, you admitted today that you have no source that states "there will be only two flights in 2023", only sources that state that IFT-2 may not happen this year. Redacted II (talk) 19:03, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
- I said that the second flight is an extremely unlikely maybe, the third flight is still not happening. Death Editor 2 (talk) 19:06, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
- Now your back to Original Research.
- I'd also like to warn you about Wikipedia:BLUDGEON (where you repeat the same point during an argument). I can't really blame you for doing it (as I've done it many times before), but it can get you blocked.
- Finally,
- Please. Stop wasting both of our times. You have no sources, and a consensus disagreeing with you. Continuing to try to push the narrative of "IFT-3 isn't happening this year" is vandalism. Redacted II (talk) 19:18, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
- You are also breaking Wikipedia:BLUDGEON so let he without sin cast the first stone. Death Editor 2 (talk) 19:33, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
- Well, I am responding to you, so...
- And also, Wikipedia:Advice for hotheads#You cannot argue Wikipedia into capitulation. Arguing the same point "FWS delay, therefore IFT-3 2024" won't get you what you want. Redacted II (talk) 19:39, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
- it's foolish to treat IFT-3 in 2023 as a foregone conclusion, when IFT-2 might not happen in 2023. Death Editor 2 (talk) 20:12, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
- for all your talk of supporting 'the status quo' you seem ken to be removing the sourced 'likely 2024' from the IFT-2 section. Death Editor 2 (talk) 16:14, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
- Which was added in contradiction of the consensus created here. Redacted II (talk) 20:19, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
- yeah sure buddy. Death Editor 2 (talk) 20:21, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
- Which was added in contradiction of the consensus created here. Redacted II (talk) 20:19, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
- You are also breaking Wikipedia:BLUDGEON so let he without sin cast the first stone. Death Editor 2 (talk) 19:33, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
- I said that the second flight is an extremely unlikely maybe, the third flight is still not happening. Death Editor 2 (talk) 19:06, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
- we have been over this, and [3]https://gizmodo.com/environmental-review-delay-spacex-starship-launch-1850853128 this and [4]https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/spacex-s-starship-still-needs-wildlife-agency-review-to-resume-launch-1.1973066 this Death Editor 2 (talk) 18:55, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
Given that the third test flight is unsourced, I have made the decision to remove it, however I will put it back if consensus says I must put it back. Death Editor 2 (talk) 17:19, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
- I'll do this: I'll add a note to the IFT-2 flight date stating that it may happen in 2024, with you sources attached. Redacted II (talk) 20:45, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
- reasonable. Death Editor 2 (talk) 20:46, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
- Now stop removing IFT-3.
- (I'm working out how to add in the note right now) Redacted II (talk) 20:47, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
- I can't remember how to add a note, so it'll have to be direct text. Redacted II (talk) 20:55, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
- acceptable. Death Editor 2 (talk) 20:56, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
- If you know how to add a note, please do so.
- If your willing to accept this as a final solution (and no one else disagrees), I'll withdraw my complaint at DRN. Redacted II (talk) 20:59, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
- That wasn't the deal. Please self-revert Redacted II (talk) 21:05, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
- To clarify:
- If you don't remove the second planned flight for 2023, the note for the potential 2024 launch date is kept.
- Is that acceptable? Redacted II (talk) 21:33, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
- acceptable. Death Editor 2 (talk) 20:56, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
- reasonable. Death Editor 2 (talk) 20:46, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
Please include a table showing history of each individual ship / booster[edit]
found on different page - delete this topic
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.18.81.80 (talk • contribs) 20:18, 7 September 2023 (UTC)