Talk:Shohei Ohtani/Archive 1

Archive 1

Massive misinterpretation of the subjects last name. Almost all media outlets in America misspell his last name. It's correctly spelled Shohei Ohtani, and not Otani as it is spelled in the media.

It's such an easy edit, just look at his baseball jersey he wears, it's spelled OHTANI. Henrylinsanity (talk) 04:18, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

People complaining about the English spelling of his name need to read the Romanization of Japanese article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 106.129.123.2 (talk) 06:20, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

I have read (citation very much needed) that Shohei Otani is very good at bat. If this is true, should it be mentioned in the article? Hayttom (talk) 17:16, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

I want to change him to the angels you have him under the japan team still needs to be changed thanks Otaniangel11 (talk) 19:38, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

Not done: It's still a little premature, although stories are breaking that he intends to sign with the Angels. —C.Fred (talk) 19:40, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 December 2017

Shohei Ohtani has just signed with the Los Angeles Angels http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/21712038/shohei-ohtani-sign-los-angeles-angels 7865sd (talk) 20:29, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

Not done: Please read the article. The headline says "agrees to sign". He has not "signed". – Muboshgu (talk) 20:34, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

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1. 17 and put Angels roster on the bottom of the page 67.86.57.10 (talk) 21:15, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

Done – Muboshgu (talk) 21:26, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

Wait, not done. I forgot, he signed a minor league contract. He is not on the 40 man roster. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:27, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

A Little Respect Please

Come on folks - this guy, this young man is a great ball player. Let's have a little respect for what he's already accomplished. And hopefully, he will come back from TJ surgery. What he's already done is fantastic. And I'm not even an LA fan. But I am a fan of baseball. Cheers and best wishes to Shohei. We look forward to your return. Come play for the Astros!  :) 98.194.39.86 (talk) 07:11, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Home Alone

if he wanted to go straight to MLB and he actually had teams WILLING TO TAKE HIM, how was he convinced to spin his wheels on a japanese team for a couple years? i assume it wasn't the money -- they pay much *less* than MLB, right?

was it some sort of altruistic "i need to spend a few more years working on my craft" attitude? otherwise, i don't understand why he didn't head to MLB from the gitgo.

NB: to the person who deleted this query; this is a TALK page. don't go vandalizing posts w/o good reason!

it is a relevant issue b/c the article mentions his signing with the japanese team despite BETTER OFFERS which he himself indicated he PREFERRED. so either offer up some REASON for this mysterious turn of events, or we need to insert an adverb like "surprisingly".

article makes no sense at present b/c of this inconsistency. 66.30.47.138 (talk) 19:17, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

I added a sourced explanation for his apparent change of heart (the Nippon-Ham Fighters said they would allow him to pitch and play a position; the Dodgers would not). I found a second explanation that might have contributed to the decision, but I can't find it in a reliable source. FYI we wouldn't add an adjective like surprisingly to an entry because that's considered to be editorializing, which isn't an appropriate role for an encyclopedia. Larry Hockett (Talk) 20:21, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

very nice, thanks! (much better than the guy who ZAPPED my question outright....) 66.30.47.138 (talk) 20:55, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

can u reveal (here on "talk") what the alleged other reason is? i'll try to fish up a source.

just heard on radio, btw, that even once he finally came here, shohei "refused to play for/interview for east coast teams". i dunno how accurate that may be, but it's worth a look. lot of sportscasters saying he should be on a "better team" like the red sox, yankees or (even west coast) dodgers. what did the angels offer that no one else would?

again with the 2-way thing? 66.30.47.138 (talk) 03:01, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Executives with the Nippon-Ham Fighters were said to have put together a video to convince him to play there. It was said to have painted U.S. minor league ball in a negative light, and it highlighted how he was already set for stardom in Hokkaido. I only see this described on YouTube and Insider (a no-consensus source for reliability according to WP:RSP) but I could be missing something. Larry Hockett (Talk) 23:00, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

STRIKEOUTS - As Pitcher or As Batter?

In the box with his MLB Statistics, W-L record & ERA are clearly pitching stats; and Batting average, HRs, and RBIs are clearly hitting stats. But the "Strikeouts" can be confusing -- is that the number of batters he's struck out as a pitcher, or is it the number of times he has struck out as a batter? The title for that line needs to be updated to clarify which stat it is (as pitcher or as batter).

@Xapie128: It refers to how many he has as a pitcher. We never put the number of times a batter has struck out in that stat box. Troutfarm27 ^(Talk) 17:44, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

Ohtani's nickname

I think a better nickname for Ohtani other than Shotime is BOMBZILLA and after commenting on his 43rd home run on YouTube in the comments referring to him as "BOMBZILLA" a few days later Ohtani liked my comment. Shotime has been used over and over not spelled that way but you know what I'm saying. Also Babe Ruth had many nicknames The colossal of clout, the Great Bambino, the sultan of swat the list goes on so why not add BOMBZILLA in there because when you say it in the middle of his name it sounds pretty bad ass!!! Go ahead. Say it out loud like he just hit a home run and tell me that's not a cool nickname. Thanks for your time. Armando Anguiano 2600:1700:9778:C940:D1B6:4BFE:56D9:5CB9 (talk) 17:55, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

We are not going to try to create a nickname for someone just because you think it sounds cool. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:20, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Wiki Education assignment: ESL 1030 English for Academic Success

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 23 August 2022 and 16 December 2022. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Yuto Take (article contribs).

— Assignment last updated by Yuto Take (talk) 13:55, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Revert

This revert was not appropriate. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Shohei_Ohtani&diff=prev&oldid=1181439577 ("Please preview your changes, use substantial edit summaries, and consider that all these cites aren't necessary in light of the Baseball-Reference link")

First, it states a misunderstanding - that some RS-supported textual additions are "necessary," and that some are not "necessary." Clearly incorrect. Not even the article itself is necessary. Certainly, not a reason for a revert of RS-supported text.

Second, it points to information in another part of the section. But that text does not included RS-supported information that the reverted deleted. Plus, it contains incorrect information - as to where on the leaderboard the batter was in home runs.

Oddly, the reverted asked that I preview my changes. But I did. Why would they suggest otherwise. They also asked that I use "substantial edit summaries." But the edit summaries that I used were perfectly fair for the course for additions such as these, supported by RSs.

I urge that the reverter be reverted. 2603:7000:2101:AA00:F0D8:24E5:DD2C:1D8E (talk) 18:06, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

• Comments? 2603:7000:2101:AA00:ACC5:90EF:2806:5A6A (talk) 21:29, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

Regarding Ohtani's choice of team

Jon Morosi Twitter @Jon_Morosi

On Shohei Ohtani, remember that the physical exam will be extensive for a record-setting contract.

Even if Ohtani makes his *choice* in the next 24 hours -- as expected -- the *agreement* may not be finalized for several days due to the medical review process.

December 8, 2023

The Internet is abuzz with rumor that Ohtani could pick his next team as early as today. In light of that, here is some wisdom from Jon Morosi on the process. We will not update this page to reflect Ohtani's new team unless we are 100% sure that the deal is 100% completed. Please read this essay on how we handle sports transactions for more information.

Thank you all for your understanding and enjoy your weekend. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:42, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

Jon Morosi Twitter @Jon_Morosi

Today, I posted reporting that included inaccurate information that Shohei Ohtani was traveling to Toronto. I regret the mistake and apologize to baseball fans everywhere. I am deeply sorry for letting you down.

December 8, 2023

Ohtani on a private jet to Toronto, huh? "Hate to Say I Told You So", alright. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:16, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 December 2023 (2)

I wanna change his team to the Blue Jays because it was reported that he signed with the aforementioned team.--ChessGuy66 (talk) 20:36, 9 December 2023 (UTC) ChessGuy66 (talk) 20:36, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

 Not done. Are you serious? You are a day behind in your news. Spanneraol (talk) 20:37, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

Oops, I meant the dodgers now.--ChessGuy66 (talk) 20:38, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, I thought he signed with the Blue Jays. ChessGuy66 (talk) 20:39, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

I just heard he signed with the dodgers. ChessGuy66 (talk) 20:39, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

You heard wrong. What you actually heard was that he "decided to choose" the Dodgers. It's not finalized yet. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:40, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

LOL. We'll make a change to the team parameters when there's a signed contract in hand. Not a "decision to choose" the Dodgers. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:39, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 9 December 2023

Add in 2023 section: Ohtani is expected to sign a 10-year contract worth $700 million with the Los Angeles Dodgers as of December 2023. - Indefensible (talk) 21:28, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: Many people expect things. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:38, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

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Protected edit request on 9 December 2023 (2)

Shohei Ohtani is now a member of the Los Angeles Dodgers. If you could change “free agent” to “member of the Los Angeles Dodgers.” the information would be accurate and up to date. 2600:1008:B08F:81C:6C5C:FC2D:9BD5:92B3 (talk) 21:35, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:38, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

Signing confirmed by MLB

Change the page so he’s now a member of the Dodgers 2603:8001:2E07:2D00:48EC:1F9B:5B:A973 (talk) 22:00, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

One more thought on Ohtani's next contract

Does anyone else remember when Carlos Correa showed up in San Francisco for an introductory press conference merely for the Giants to back out of the deal? I do. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:47, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

Yep.. and considering the Angels were never all that forthcoming on Ohtani's most recent surgery... I think his physical could be very important. Spanneraol (talk) 20:51, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

If he does wind up with the Dodgers though, I'm gonna take a pass through this article.. he doesn't need 5-6 paragraphs for each season. Spanneraol (talk) 20:53, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

@Spanneraol more like 7-10 paragraphs per season. Agree that the article can be trimmed down. Natg 19 (talk) 21:20, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

TSN now reporting that Ohtani has signed a 10-year, $700 million contract, with the Dodgers. GoodDay (talk) 20:54, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

Agreed to, not signed. Spanneraol (talk) 20:55, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

@Muboshgu: are you sure you should be the administrator 'protecting' the page, as you've been involved in the content dispute? GoodDay (talk) 21:25, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

GoodDay, I do not see a "dispute". I see a BLP issue. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:39, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

@Muboshgu: should temporarily be removed as administrator of the page until this unneeded edit conflict is resolved. Thanks for ruining sports Wikipedia! Jimbo Wales (talk) 21:29, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

I hate Wikipedia, Jimbo! Muboshgu (talk) 21:43, 9 December 2023 (UTC) My post was edited to say that by an account I have indef blocked. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:52, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

This was impersonation per https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Shohei_Ohtani&diff=prev&oldid=1189122462. - Indefensible (talk) 22:35, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you Indefensible, I was on my phone and it was too challenging to look it up that way. They're blocked for a week for disruptive editing. By that time, Ohtani's contract may be official. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:42, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

Will this TSN source do? GoodDay (talk) 21:52, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

Their headline says "signed", but their article says "agreed to". This contract will take days to finalize due to its complexity, as the Morosi tweet I added above says. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:56, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

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700 million signing

71.173.78.182 (talk) 23:28, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ♒️ 98TIGERIUS 🐯 23:36, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

Here is a source for it, however I am not in a position to edit this doc to include it at this time: https://sports.yahoo.com/shohei-ohtani-joins-la-dodgers-on-record-demolishing-10-year-700m-deal-213536868.html --AdmrBoltz 00:03, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: That Yahoo! source says The deal is for 10 years and $700 million, according to ESPN's Jeff Passan. Passan is usually correct, but he's a reporter breaking news and is fallible. We wait for official announcements. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:19, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

Protected edit request

The agreement in terms been announced by his agency, Ohtani himself, and posted by the official MLB Twitter. There's significant coverage of it in The Athletic and several other high-quality outlets, like CBS Sports.

Quite frankly, we look ridiculous when Ohtani himself has stated this information. I'm confident that Ohtani freely giving out this info satisfies the guideline at WP:RSBREAKING. That said, I get that we also can't say that it's an official deal until that's confirmed by the Dodgers. Thankfully, the essay WP:SPORTSTRANS says that it is allowable to add this information to the article if "limited to prose attributed to the source that is reporting the transaction".

With all of that in mind, I would propose adding this to the body of the article:

On 9 December 2023, Ohtani announced on Instagram that he had agreed to terms on a contract with the Los Angeles Dodgers. His agency confirmed that decision. There has been no official confirmation from the Dodgers.

Ed ^{[talk] [OMT]} 21:58, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

There is no harm in waiting. There have been other high profile free agent signings in recent years that were announced by players and press conferences scheduled only for them to fall apart at the last minute. He is not a member of the Dodgers until he passes his physical and the team makes an announcement that a contract has been signed. The Dodgers also dont currently have an open 40-man roster spot so some players need to be removed first. Spanneraol (talk) 22:29, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

@Spanneraol: I'm not clear how the proposed addition above and your response are in conflict. In the unlikely event it falls apart, the above text would still all be true. (And would likely stay in the article. If that happened, it's not a wild guess to say that the reportedly largest baseball contract in history falling apart would be discussed in this article.) We are waiting for official confirmation of the contract, but there's no reason to wait to say the manifestly truthful and reliably reported info that Ohtani themselves announced and reliable sources around the world are reporting on. Ed ^{[talk] [OMT]} 22:36, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

What's the hurry? It's always better to err on the side of waiting for confirmation... that is what we did with the Carlos Correa situation last year.. once the entire saga was over we were able to write a better section on the drama involved with it. There is no need to rush "breaking news" into articles.. this is an encyclopedia, not a newspaper. Spanneraol (talk) 22:41, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

@Spanneraol: I'm confused how this request is being construed as being in a hurry? This is about adding an update to the article that is being reported by gold-standard reliable sources, just like we'd do for any other article on Wikipedia. (Not doing so makes Wikipedia less useful to readers.) Ed ^{[talk] [OMT]} 22:45, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

How is it less useful? Wikipedia is not for breaking news... the articles should be stable and we shouldn't put info in that will be outdated or temporary very soon. Spanneraol (talk) 23:08, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

@Spanneraol: I see, that's the disconnect. "Ohtani announced he agreed to terms" will not become outdated—as I said, that will remain in the article at this point whether or not he the contract is actually signed because reliable sources would cover how it unraveled. Does that make sense? Otherwise, it might be time for a RfC. Ed ^{[talk] [OMT]} 23:13, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

I think that it will become outdated. Assuming this contract is signed as reported, it won't be encyclopedic that he broke the news on Instagram on December 9. It'll be the contract itself that matters. RfC is not the worst idea. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:15, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

The ed17, I disagree with adding anything at this time as well. We are an encyclopedia and not a newspaper, after all. But yes, the compromise would be a sentence or so in the body and keeping "free agent" in the lead and infobox. Perhaps Bagumba can chime in as he was the primary author of the essay WP:SPORTSTRANS. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:48, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

I wrote it. It's an essay, subject to consensus on a per case basis. It was merely an example of something that at least is not WP:OR, unlike an unqualified "Ohtani signed with the Dodgers". The relevant portion of the essay is (emphasis added):

If anything is to be presented at all, it should be limited to prose attributed to the source that is reporting the transaction.

It is not required to be added. At least in this case, the player themself is the source of the information. Ultimately, agreeing to terms is not the same as signing a contract, so the lead and infobox should not change. —Bagumba (talk) 00:41, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

Ohtani should be switched from Free Agent to Los Angeles Dodgers

He should be a Dodger 71.175.10.118 (talk) 01:03, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

See above NW1223<Howl at me•My hunts> 01:05, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

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Shohei signed with Dodgers 2600:1012:B171:B20E:1C16:4B21:A8E1:8FCD (talk) 20:19, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

 Not done See that section above with the Jon Morosi tweets? Remember Ohtani's flight to Toronto yesterday? Do we learn? – Muboshgu (talk) 20:22, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

Why are you the sole decider of this? He has announced the dodgers choice on his social media and his Instagram bio says Los Angeles Dodgers. At the very least it should say he announced he is joining the dodgers pending a physical evaluation… 208.107.159.230 (talk) 02:22, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 10 December 2023

Shohei Ohtani has signed with the Los Angeles Dodgers. 70.244.242.172 (talk) 16:22, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

 Not done for now: Please join in discussion above. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 16:34, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

[THREAD] Wikipedia is a disaster for reporting sports news.

Are we SERIOUSLY going to wait for confirmation from the team itself to update the page? I obviously don't want to jump the gun but literally Shohei himself and every other media source has already announced it as official. If a rare "Carlos Correa situation" were to happen again, we can always revert the page. On the 99% chance that it does stay official, this is just another example of how Wikipedia will always stay behind as long as moderators continue to be stubborn and implement such superfluous confirmation policies. KillaTrav87 (talk) 21:24, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

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I don't think you understand the difference between an "encyclopedia" and a "newspaper". We are the former, not the latter. We ALWAYS wait for confirmation.– Muboshgu (talk) 21:44, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

I understand the difference, but the page on breaking news for sports edits does say "If anything is to be presented at all, it should be limited to prose attributed to the source that is reporting the transaction. For example, "On March 5, 2013, ACME News reported that John Doe will sign with XYZ."

I think that the page could be updated like so, e.g. "XYZ sources reported that Ohtani has signed with the Dodgers"

Given that the entire world knows about this, should we not at least provide reference to reputable sources regarding his potential new team in this kind of format? Schlongenheim (talk) 20:31, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

Ohtani Signing Posted on Dodgers Website, therefore should be changed from "Free Agent"

The Dodgers organization have indicated that they have signed Ohtani On their website provided here: https://www.mlb.com/dodgers therefore his status in the league should be changed

Rdnewgard (talk) 22:48, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

The articles on mlb.com arent team articles they have an independent news team... It is getting close though. Spanneraol (talk) 23:13, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

None of the sources on MLB.com say Ohtani has "signed". They say he is in agreement with the Dodgers. They freed up the needed 40-man roster space. They still have to work through the deferrals, which likely need approval from the commissioner, and the medical exam. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:23, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 12 December 2023

You have his career teams listed incorrectly. He just signed with the dodgers and the angels are left out. 98.58.145.71 (talk) 00:22, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

 Not done See above. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 01:10, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Page unprotected

Per this tweet from the Dodgers official account, time stamped 6:07 PM Pacific time, we know now that Ohtani's deal is signed and official. Accordingly, protection is removed, because now we know that he is officially a Dodger. – Muboshgu (talk) 02:15, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Request for comment on including Ohtani's agreement to contract terms

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Baseball player Shohei Ohtani has agreed to the terms of a contract with the Los Angeles Dodgers. That agreement has not been published by the Dodgers themselves yet, nor have they announced that a contract has been signed. However, the agreement has been announced by Ohtani themselves, his agency, and posted by the official MLB Twitter. There's significant secondary coverage of the announcement in The Athletic and several other high-quality outlets, like CBS Sports. Those two sources confirm that Ohtani himself announced the arrangement.

Should the information [that Ohtani says he has agreed to a contract but no official announcement has been made] be included in this article prior to an official announcement by the Dodgers? Applicable guidelines here include WP:RSBREAKING, in addition to the essay WP:SPORTSTRANS. BLP, specifically WP:BLPGOSSIP or WP:GRAPEVINE, do not appear to factor in as Ohtani has spoken on this himself. Ed ^{[talk] [OMT]} 23:27, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

Edit: bracketed text added to ensure the RfC question is clear. Ed ^{[talk] [OMT]} 03:44, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

• Support adding the following sentence, which identifies the source of the information in the text and does not state that a contract has been signed: "On 9 December 2023, Ohtani announced on Instagram that he had agreed to terms on a contract with the Los Angeles Dodgers. There has been no official confirmation from the Dodgers." Ed ^{[talk] [OMT]} 23:30, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
• Support. I don't understand the huge amount of hesitation to even mention that he made an agreement to sign with the Dodgers. Ohtani said it himself, his agency said so, and by now - a couple days after the initial announcements - several newspapers have made their own verifications and reported on it. We have more than enough good independent sources to just mention that he made an agreement to sign with the Dodgers.

Some in the above conversations have stated that it may take some time for an official contract to be signed, and that is all the more reason to at least mention the agreement. Otherwise this page will be inaccurate for some time in not mentioning this, and readers will be confused why his page is not at least making reference to one of the biggest news stories in sports right now. And others mentioning the off-chance the deal falls through, that is a separate unlikely event that should not get in the way of mentioning the fact that this subject agreed to sign with the Dodgers.

I know that this is an encyclopedia and not a newspaper but there's been more than enough time and information to make a mention of the Dodgers. Again, this is information that he has himself stated, his agency stated, and many high-quality sources have had more than enough time to have independently verified and reported on. 8984m (talk) 07:33, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose. There is no reason to add such a remark that will quickly become out dated. This comes up with every big signing, a bunch of people want to jump the gun on adding info when waiting a few days to get everything confirmed and official has been the standard practice here for years. Also, supporting your own suggestion is a bit weird. Spanneraol (talk) 23:40, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose I agree with Spanneraol. ♒️ 98TIGERIUS 🐯 23:43, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
• Support announced by the MLB, see here. Also on the Dodgers website and announced by Ohtani, can't get much more official than that. Kline • talk to me! • contribs 00:59, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

  The linked source says "agreed to terms" ≠ "signed".—Bagumba (talk) 01:07, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

  also see this. Kline • talk to me! • contribs 01:09, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

  @Kline: See WP:SPORTSTRANS. Most baseball editors will not update an article/will revert new edits until there is an official announcement. Ed ^{[talk] [OMT]} 01:11, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

  Ok, well I really can't get any better that what I have, MLB says it's a done signing, the Dodgers have the signing on their website, Ohtani has announced that the is signing with the Dodgers. I really don't understand what the others want. Also, I don't see the need for full protection as we can just put it on EC + PC protection. Full seems pretty unnecessary. Kline • talk to me! • contribs 01:14, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

  Kline, as editors who are extended confirmed were changing the lead and infobox to say he was on the Dodgers, not just adding a sentence to prose about an agreement being struck, full protection was my last resort. I do plan to drop protection the second it is clear that the deal is signed sealed and delivered. – Muboshgu (talk) 03:04, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

  That's why I suggested PCR, so that it could be properly reviewed by someone. Kline • talk to me! • contribs 03:48, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

  The problem with pending changes is the sheer number of similar edits that will be reverted in such a short time, overburdening editors and leading to reprotection. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:36, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

  Yes, per WP:PCPP: Pending changes protection should not be used on articles with a very high edit rate... —Bagumba (talk) 17:25, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

  @Kline: I don't believe the Dodgers have announced anything yet, which is why we're having this RfC in the first place. I'd argue that an agreement to terms is worthy of mentioning while we wait for an official announcement to avoid readers being confused why we don't have the information a lot of other places have. Others disagree. Ed ^{[talk] [OMT]} 01:08, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

  The dodgers have in fact announced it. 2603:8001:2E07:2D00:E046:93C2:9ECF:D97A (talk) 01:14, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

  They have in fact not. – Muboshgu (talk) 03:03, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

  The articles on MLB.com are not announcements by the team but articles written by independent writers.. He is not listed on the teams 40 man roster and the team has made no official announcement. Spanneraol (talk) 03:17, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

• Strongly Oppose. Here's Ken Rosenthal on Twitter talking about why the deal is not official yet (there hasn't been a physical). [1] Esolo5002 (talk) 01:38, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

  @Esolo5002: Please re-read the RfC intro, which notes that the deal is not official. I've added some text in brackets to make the proposal more clear. Ed ^{[talk] [OMT]} 03:44, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

  I understand the intro. My stance is the same. If he eventually signs this new information will be deleted, if he doesn't sign then lots more information will be added. No need for a change at this present moment. Esolo5002 (talk) 23:00, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

• Weak Oppose I definitely don't like the admin-only protection. That being said the Dodgers should probably announce it first. It's just a bit odd that an MLB writer announced it, Shohei announced it, yet there's no legitimate signing from the Dodgers about it. Conyo14 (talk) 03:42, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
• Support Shohei announcing that he has agreed to terms is noteworthy, even on the small chance that the deal would fall through due to failing medicals or whatever reason. If written as "On 9 December 2023, Ohtani announced that he had agreed to terms with the Los Angeles Dodgers", it would not become outdated.

It's important to not jump the gun with updates, but not including this timely update objectively feels like a mistake. TheJohnPro (talk) 05:42, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

• Support - It can't hurt to mention his current status, in the lead. GoodDay (talk) 14:49, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

  His current status is in the lead: he's a free agent. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:08, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

  I give up. GoodDay (talk) 08:34, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

  I read GoodDay's use of "status" in the unofficial sense, as in "has agreed to terms". Ed ^{[talk] [OMT]} 19:07, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

• Weak Oppose Perhaps we should wait until the contract deal with the Dodgers for Shohei Ohtani is official from MLB, Dodgers itself, and other multiple sources. The source from MLB here points out that he signs with the Dodgers for a 10-year $700 million contract but not enough information to be official yet. --Allen ^{(talk / ctrb)} 00:08, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
• Weak Support The lack of confirmation from the Dodgers makes me think it shouldn't be mentioned in the lede yet, but it should be mentioned in the 2023 section after where it says that he became a free agent. Otherwise it's simply out of date. I don't like the full protection here and what is essentially the hijacking of the page by one admin, even if the rules are decently clear on how to deal with "unconfirmed" free agent signings like this. LVMH11 (talk) 00:53, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

  LVMH11, what you call a "hijacking" was me doing my job to prevent the continuous addition of unsourced content. WP:Focus on content not on contributors. I am not going to WP:BLUDGEON here but that comment requires a response. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:07, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

  The only unsourced content was that he was on the Dodger's roster by now (which is not the case). We have plenty of RS saying he is planning on signing with the Dodgers, based on his own words. So I don't believe that you are only preventing the addition of unsourced content. Keeping the term "free agent" in the lede is what we should do per the former, but completely blocking all mention of his intentions despite the latter is detrimental to the page IMO. WP:SPORTSTRANS doesn't say that you aren't allowed to include well-sourced, non-anonymous reports (in this case from the player himself) about the potential of there being a signing. Like c'mon, this page is at the top of Google search results for Ohtani, it's not a good look for there to be zero mention of what is being described in every single other search result from RS (including MLB itself). I also find that WP:NOTNEWS is one of the more hypocritical rules on the site given the "In the news" section of the main page. The site should include relevant information to the subject of all pages that are well-sourced. This is relevant and well-sourced (outside of the deal being officially completed). The page would probably be improved when making this change, so WP:FATRAT applies as well.

  I get that you can have things happen like with Correa last year, but the information about him initially going to the Mets and Giants is on that page currently, which would have also been the case if the article had said so as it happened. I don't see why we can't cover what is actively going on with the subject of a page irrespective of what the final outcome is. Obviously this logic doesn't extend to calling Ohtani a Dodger in the lede, as the signing hasn't cleared yet.

  Furthermore, the only thing that would prevent this signing from going through is the Dodgers trying to free up 40-man space through a trade with the Yankees. It doesn't have anything to do with Ohtani himself, unlike the Correa situtation. We could easily include language in the body of the article saying something along the lines of "On December 9th, 2023, Ohtani announced his intentions to sign with the Los Angeles Dodgers on his Instagram account. The contract would be for 10 years and worth $700 million USD, and is pending the Dodgers freeing up space on their 40-man roster to fit Ohtani." And then have RS cited for this. LVMH11 (talk) 02:03, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

  While the 40 man roster thing is one issue, he also has not taken a physical and the deferrals need to be worked out. Spanneraol (talk) 02:39, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

• Support At the very least, modify the free agent portion to recognize the multiple reports from noteworthy secondary sources. Calwatch (talk) 01:16, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
• Two words: Carlos Correa Anonymous Contributor 012786 (talk) 04:47, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

  Yup, on rare occasions signings can fall through. That's why the proposal here is to communicate the bare facts: "that Ohtani says he has agreed to a contract but no official announcement has been made". Ed ^{[talk] [OMT]} 04:51, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

• Support I see no issues with updating the body of the article to mention the agreement to sign with the Dodgers. Per WP:SPORTSTRANS, we should not change his current team to be the Dodgers until things are made official, but to keep the article current, the agreement to sign could be added to the 2023 section. Though this entire discussion is going to be moot in several days, unless something drastic happens. Natg 19 (talk) 17:21, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
• Support Per WP:SPORTSTRANS "If anything is to be presented at all, it should be limited to prose attributed to the source that is reporting the transaction. For example, "On March 5, 2013, ACME News reported that John Doe will sign with XYZ."" I feel like we should at least mention in the body section that Ohtani himself stated that he intends to sign with the Dodgers. (i.e. On December 9, Ohtani announced on social media that he intends to sign with the Los Angeles Dodgers) HappyBoi3892 (talk) 18:11, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

  I'll support that, so long as he is still a free agent in the lead until we have affirmation. Conyo14 (talk) 18:18, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

  @Conyo14: Would you be open to striking your oppose above and adding that? Ed ^{[talk] [OMT]} 19:24, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

  It's weak for a reason. It's a very conditional statement here and the where is also important. Conyo14 (talk) 20:20, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

• Support given that the player has confirmed using his social media account. (And also there's intense interest around Ohtani, his page is especially highly-trafficked right now, and I think it makes sense to briefly acknowledge the situation that's being widely discussed in reliable secondary sources.) SS451 (talk) 19:10, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

Discussion

I've left messages at WP:SPORTS & WP:BASEBALL, for more input here. GoodDay (talk) 08:47, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

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Change it already! The team just confirmed the contract

It’s been set in stone on numerous platforms and the team themselves confirmed it 3 minutes ago 2603:8001:2E07:2D00:B8A5:C684:5763:21EC (talk) 02:15, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

We did change it as soon as the team made the deal official. That is how we do things. Spanneraol (talk) 02:30, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

I may be missing something but I don't see Dodgers in the Teams section of the Infobox. GamerKlim9716 (talk) 12:12, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

@GamerKlim9716 Because the 2024 MLB season haven't started, it will be added once the season kicks off. Also there's a hidden note when you edit the article in wiki editor. ♒️ 98TIGERIUS 🐯 14:29, 16 December 2023 (UTC)