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I think this page should be merged with "Remiel" or vice versa. - VentrueCapital 13:36, 15 January 2006

Someone has already merged the page from Remiel to here which was itself a merge from Remiel (Angel) very messy. I've changed Remiel (angel) and Remiel (archangel) so they redirect directly here no double redirects now. I've also moved some info from Remiel that was lost in the merge. The user that did the merger dumped a good 90% of the pages content much of which was perfectly fine listed here. -- Shimirel ^(Talk) 16:52, 3 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

As noted below, this turns out to have been a mistake. —Twice Nothing (talk) 06:09, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ramiel not Remiel[edit]

As the stub states, Ramiel shouldn't be confused with Remiel, as such I would like to ask if you could separate both of them and obtain any information if available on Remiel. The difference here is mainly that Ramiel has been said to be a fallen angel of the Grigori, while Remiel is supposedly a good one. That's anyway a thought, Seven eyed dragon.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Seven eyed dragon (talk • contribs) 23:18, 10 December 2006 (UTC).[reply]

I agree with the above post. It should either be decided that Remiel does in fact need to redirect here, and have the differentiation removed, or they should exist as separate pages.Michaelhyphenpaul 03:35, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. The book of Enoch states these as two different angels. In the text of Enoch that I'm reading, I'm seeing Ramlel and Rameel being chiefs of the Grigori. Isn't it a bit presumptuous to state either one is the same as Ramiel? I wonder if this is the case with the theory that Saraquel and the Sariel are the same angels as well.... Brutalrepublic (talk) 17:19, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The other confusing matter is that Remiel redirects to this page, which makes the stub line even more confusing. Glennglazer (talk) 07:13, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Removal of picture[edit]

I think that that video game picture of some Ramiel shouldnt be here. Can it be deleted?

Well, it's in the "popular culture" section, and won't be taken as an image of the "actual" angel, so I don't think that is so much of a problem... but if an artist's depiction of the angelologic figure can be found it should certainly be added to the main body of text. ◄Zahakiel ► 14:28, 12 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ramiel Isn't Uriel[edit]

The page states explicitly that Ramiel and Uriel are the same Angel. However, I've been unable to find any other website that says this. Furthermore, it makes no sense for Ramiel from the Book of Enoch to be Uriel, because Ramiel was one of the Grigori who gave birth to the Nephilim, which Enoch states are the main reason God sent the Great Flood in the first place. If Uriel were already a fallen Angel who had caused the whole mess, why would God entrust him to warn Noah about the flood? NAveryW (talk) 05:00, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As mentioned in the Book of Enoch, the archangel Ramiel is the sixth leader and a Watcher or Grigori. The name Ramiel translates into English to mean Thunder of God, or God’s Thunder, as the word itself is a combination of the words ra’am and God. Ramiel is quite often mixed up with Azazel who is also called Rameel, a word that means arrogant towards God, or the evening of God. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.1.153.12 (talk) 01:04, 28 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Rumjal[edit]

Rumjal should not redirect here. On page 248 of "A Dictionary of Angels including Fallen Angels" by Gustav Davidson, Rumjal is listed as an evil fallen archangel, one of the original 200 that joined Satan in rebellion against the Almighty. Rumjal and Ramiel are different. Thanks! rumjal 05:44, 5 May 2009 (UTC). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rumjal (talk • contribs)

Rumjal[edit]

As I wrote above, Rumjal should not redirect here. The Book of Enoch by R.H. Charles lists Rumjal as a separate angel on pages 137-8. http://books.google.com/books?id=wQpjqn26o60C&printsec=toc&dq=rumjal&output=html&source=gbs_summary_s&cad=0

And as I mentioned above, Gustav Davidson lists Rumjal as a separate angel. http://books.google.com/books?id=yp1kvsx409gC&q=rumjal&dq=rumjal&lr=&output=html&pgis=1 Google has many other listings. --rumjal 07:51, 25 May 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rumjal (talk • contribs)

Hades[edit]

Why does Ramiel seem so similar to Hades? Both watch over the dead. Of course Ramiel is implied to be the Archangel who the Book of Enoch says started the rebellion against The Lord due to being the only Archangel who serves as one of the rebellion's leaders(though not the main leader) unlike Hades who is a much more decent God. Could the New Testament have been refering to Ramiel when talking about Hades following the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse?207.216.20.13 (talk) 04:00, 20 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Assessment comment[edit]

The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Ramiel/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

== WP:OCCULT Assessment ==

Class: Stub. Little information other than popular culture list. Not well cited and skimpy on the info.

Imprt: Low. specialized knowledge of figure is limited within selective occult study groups.

--Trippz (talk) 20:28, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Last edited at 20:28, 7 July 2008 (UTC). Substituted at 03:53, 30 April 2016 (UTC)