Talk:National Bible Bee

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‘Advertisement’[edit]

User:Drmies added an ‘advertisement’ template to the top of this article, even though it is no less POV or like an advertisement than a similar article, National Spelling Bee. Sure, the latter has a brief ‘Criticism’ section, but that’s totally unsourced. I was wondering if we could get consensus to remove the tag, especially seeing that there’s already a merge template.—Jchthys 02:47, 19 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think the tag should stay in place for now until the future of the article is decided. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 05:41, 19 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Merge into Bible Quiz[edit]

I'm not sure this organization is notable enough (yet) for its own article, but it would certainly merit a section in the Bible Quiz article and redirect this title to that section. This article seems to be a bit on the promotional side right now, and the contest is only announced. Maybe it will gain a little more traction when the contes actually takes place. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 02:16, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree. See the Google News reports for it, it is notable and covered by sources. Just because it hasn't happened yet doesn't make it not notable. Agreed, it needs more information not related to the contest itself (it's impacts and events and such). But it is notable enough, in my opinion and based on its media coverage, for a stand-alone article. TheAE talk/sign 02:37, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It is a national competition with a $100 000 first prize. You’re right that it’s only announced—maybe the article was written a little too soon, but seeing that it’s sponsored by relatively high-profile organizations such as Patrick Henry College, I thought I’d give it a shot.
By the way, I wouldn’t have a problem with other national-scale Bible quizzes having their own articles.—Jchthys 02:40, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think that any of the various competitions (including the one in which I am involved) are notable enough for stand-alone articles. The great majority of sources referenced in this article are from the competition's own website, which we call primary sources. These do not carry the weight for verification purposes that independent sources (those not controlled by the subject) do. I stand by my position to merge. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 04:49, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I’ve heard of the AoG Bible Quiz, and I think it would deserve its own article if it had some newspaper sources.
My position is that, considering that Vision Forum and Homeschooling Today magazine support the bee, and that (in addition to Patrick Henry College) the publisher of WORLD Magazine is a sponsor, there will be quite a few people who want to know about this (notable) topic, but want to see the encyclopaedic essentials and not wade through the large amount of material on their website.
I am also of the opinion that if it’s notable as a largish section of a parent article, it’s notable as a standalone article, and contrariwise.—Jchthys 15:08, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Mere "support" from a couple of web sites and/or publications is not sufficient for independent verification. Moreover, your argument that a "largish" section in a main article is indication of notability sufficient for a separate stand-alone article is not supported by any Wikipedia notability guidelines that I can find. As for AG quizzing, I'm sure I could come up with some third-party references, but I still don't believe it merits a stand-alone article either. (Full disclosure: I am involved with AG Bible Quiz, primarily as the chief statistician for the national championship tournament. By the way, the national director of AG quizzing mentioned that two of his grandchildren are participating in the National Bible Bee.) - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 18:28, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe what we could do is transfer the essentials of the article to a subsection in Bible quiz, and leave the rest on a subpage of the AE’s or mine until the bee actually occurs and (presumably) more sources mention it.—Jchthys 23:03, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Regardless of it not having occured yet, I believe it meets the general notability guideline for a stand-alone article. I may work on it if I have time, and add sources. TheAE talk/sign 23:18, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Could you please specify how it meets the criteria? - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 00:24, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Well, the criterea states, "If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to satisfy the inclusion criteria for a stand-alone article." It, though not having occurred yet, has received coverage by several news sites (see 1, 2, 3, 4 (press release, less reliable), and 5). I could go into detail, but I believe notablilty has been established (generally) for a stand-alone article. TheAE talk/sign 01:14, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
All but one are obviously press releases from the foundation or local organizers. Those do not count as reliable. (I found that same press release as the first link at a couple of other places.) If you want, I can take this to a formal article for deletion process, which could result in an outcome of merger. I can pretty much guarantee you right now that the article would not survive an AfD process as it stands now. I strongly suggest you go with a merger into Bible Quiz, with the section about the bee considerably expanded and the "National Bible Bee" title being redirected to that section. If the National Bible Bee attracts enough attention to result in independent coverage from reliable sources (and that may well happen near the finals, because of the large prize involved), then the stand-alone article can be re-created. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 02:18, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Regardless of info being based off press-releases, that isn't my point. The fact that published, independent, reliable sources are covering the event shows stand-alone notability. Yes, sources are better if not based off press releases (etc.), I do understand that, I'm am very much not a newcomer to Wikipedia. If you would like to AFD this article, you are welcome to, but I think it needs formal discussion before merging. TheAE talk/sign 21:11, 17 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

US-centric[edit]

Need to check it is not assuming a US reader, eg in the info box the region said National - which Nation? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cosnahang (talk • contribs) 07:13, April 27, 2009

Done. AirplanePro 17:31, 8 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

DYK[edit]

Past Tense[edit]

So, now that it's over for 2009 the intro paragraph should be re-written in past tense. Invmog (talk) 05:14, 16 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Done. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 06:54, 16 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

2010 overhaul[edit]

Right now I'm making major changes to the article based on the Bible Bee's information on their website. Much has been changed for the 2010 competition. I'm also trimming out some details I think are irrelevant (partly because they seem liable to change from year to year). Please discuss if anyone has other opinions on how to improve the article.—Jchthys 16:21, 2 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with all your changes thus far. Good work, and feel 100% free to be bold in changing the article. :) American Eagle (talk) 17:14, 2 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
While making adjustments, you might as well update the eligibility section. Right now it says that "the top place winners in each category may not compete again in the same category." This stipulation has been removed after review and no longer applies. For example, Rebecca Horning, Primary 1st place winner, is competing again this year and has qualified for the National Competition in November. - Daniel Staddon 99.27.251.80 (talk) 03:17, 15 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Trimming[edit]

Hey folks, I know I'm the one who created this article in the first place, but I'm thinking that maybe some of the information could be trimmed out. After all, not all of it is truly notable, and even the article on Scripps National Spelling Bee doesn't contain lists of all winners (never mind first, second and third). Anyway it's just a thought; maybe someone else can weigh in.—Jchthys 04:09, 22 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Hannah Leary[edit]

I was watching the show and saw the attractive blonde girl who won the 2017 show, would be good to include past winners :) 2001:8003:6A23:2C00:5D1D:BF01:7339:227F (talk) 11:58, 27 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Ridgecrest Conference Center[edit]

It should be noted that this center is in Black Mountain, North Carolina (there’s a Ridgecrest in California; some people might misunderstand). 2600:1010:A135:CBA7:1B1:A8D1:478D:E40F (talk) 15:01, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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