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A fact from Jack A. Bade appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 29 March 2024 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that despite receiving a severe head injury, and the guns of his fighter becoming jammed after being attacked by enemy aircraft, Jack A. Bade (pictured) continued to defend American bombers over Guadalcanal?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2024/March. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Jack A. Bade.

Did you know nomination[edit]

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The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 11:39, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Jack A. Bade

... that despite receiving severe head injury and guns of his fighter aircraft jammed after being attacked by enemy aircraft, Jack A. Bade (pictured) continued to defend the American bombers from enemy aircraft? Source: "Dark Waters, Starry Skies The Guadalcanal-Solomons Campaign, March–October 1943"
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Rhinecliff station

Created by Toadboy123 (talk). Self-nominated at 00:54, 20 February 2024 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Jack A. Bade; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: ~~Hook needed some grammar fixes, but thats not a huge deal. I have fixed it. Copyvio detected on the hook.~~ fixed. Geardona (talk to me?) 23:03, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Even if we remove the characters in (pictured), the hook is 225 characters. It must be 200 or less. I also noticed a very high Earwig score which I think is from copying his entire citation. That issue is sourced, but we still need to fix the hook. Lightburst (talk) 02:13, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Geardona and Toadboy123: have you seen the above? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 15:24, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well now I have, and, when I clear my earwigs cache from a while back, it does hit highly I always forget to sign nowGeardona (talk to me?) 17:14, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Geardona and @AirshipJungleman29 The high earwig score is due to the copying of the subject's Distinguished Service Cross citation which is public domain due to it being work of a member of the US military. Hope that clarifies. Toadboy123 (talk) 21:59, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@user:AirshipJungleman29 & @User:Toadboy123Trimmed the hook, copyvio seems to be resolved. Look good? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Geardona (talk • contribs) 23:05, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Repinging User:AirshipJungleman29 and Toadboy123; previous pings won't have gone through without a sig in the original post. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:06, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pinging @BlueMoonset Pinging @AirshipJungleman29 How is my original hook before it was edited by User:Lightburst? Is this good to go? Hook: ... that despite receiving severe head injury, and the guns of his fighter aircraft jammed after being attacked by enemy aircraft, Jack A. Bade (pictured) continued to defend the American bombers from enemy aircraft? - Toadboy123 (talk) 02:02, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is very confusing to have the original hook edited in place, rather than ALT hooks being offered with appropriate changes. I am restoring the actual original hook, which is once more at the top (and striking it because of grammatical issues), and then running ALT0a, Toadboy123's current hook, which at 201 prose characters is too long, has grammatical issues, and needs to be trimmed; I've suggested an ALT0b that replaces "fighter aircraft jammed" with "fighter jamming" to avoid having "aircraft" twice in the hook and to take the prose character count down to 195 (I've added back the "a" before "severe head injury" for grammatical reasons):

ALT0a: ... that despite receiving severe head injury, and the guns of his fighter aircraft jammed after being attacked by enemy aircraft, Jack A. Bade (pictured) continued to defend the American bombers from enemy aircraft?
ALT0b: ... that despite receiving a severe head injury, and the guns of his fighter jamming after being attacked by enemy aircraft, Jack A. Bade (pictured) continued to defend the American bombers from enemy aircraft?

Geardona originally proposed the following hook with 225 prose characters, which I'm calling ALT1 (and striking), and their latest trim with 196 prose characters (ALT1a), which, since they have at least one new fact in these (Guadalcanal), cannot be reviewed further by them:

ALT1: ... that despite receiving a severe head injury, and the guns of his fighter aircraft becoming jammed after being attacked by enemy aircraft, Jack A. Bade (pictured) continued to defend American bombers over Guadalcanal from enemy aircraft?
ALT1a: ... that despite receiving a severe head injury, and the guns of his fighter becoming jammed after being attacked by enemy aircraft, Jack A. Bade (pictured) continued to defend American bombers over Guadalcanal?

New reviewer needed to check the various remaining hooks, since the ALT1s were proposed by the original reviewer. I'll be honest: I think it's undesirable that all the hooks, with the sole exception of ALT1a, use the phrase "enemy aircraft" twice. ALT1a could be shortened by replacing "becoming jammed" with "jamming", reducing the length further to 188. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:34, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agree with the above, this is all rather confusing.Geardona (talk to me?) 03:40, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1a needs an end-of-sentence citation.--Laun chba ller 10:52, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pinging @Launchballer I have added it now. Check if it is good to go. Toadboy123 (talk) 01:49, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Some of it is, although I can't see the word 'Guadalcanal' in prose.--Laun chba ller 05:05, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pinging @Launchballer Fixed now. Toadboy123 (talk) 09:25, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fine by me. One last thing; the sentence containing the first half of the hook "that despite receiving a severe head injury, and the guns of his fighter becoming jammed after being attacked by enemy aircraft" needs an end-of-sentence cite.--Laun chba ller 09:39, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pinging @Launchballer Completed. Check now. Toadboy123 (talk) 12:34, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Let's roll.--Laun chba ller 15:21, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]