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A fact from Harry Crosbie appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 29 December 2023 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Dublin property developer Harry Crosbie received an OBE from the British ambassador to Ireland, partly for entertaining Elizabeth II with his showbiz contacts?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2023/December. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Harry Crosbie.

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Did you know nomination[edit]

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by PrimalMustelid talk 16:54, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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~~... that property developer Harry Crosbie commissioned Daniel Libeskind to design Dublin's Grand Canal Theatre, but lost possession of it to NAMA within 5 years of its opening?~~ Source: https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/harry-crosbie-the-man-who-dreamed-too-big/30441938.html
- ALT1: ... that Dublin property developer Harry Crosbie received an OBE from the British Ambassador, in part, for entertaining Her Majesty with his showbiz contacts? Source: https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/the-names-crosbie-harry-crosbie-family-man-gets-obe/28821271.html
- ALT2: ... that if you're attending a concert, musical or convention in Dublin City, Harry Crosbie might have paid for your seat? Source: https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/harry-crosbie-the-man-who-dreamed-too-big/30441938.html
- ALT3: ... that Harry Crosbie, known for Dublin venues Vicar Street, The Point, Grand Canal Theatre and the Convention Center, was unable to develop a Gorey music venue? Source: https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/crosbie-disappointed-at-being-left-out-of-concert-venue-project/39045187.html
  https://www.independent.ie/regionals/wexford/gorey-news/new-future-planned-for-gorey-market-house/a272533404.html
- ALT4: ... that Harry Crosbie saved the Kittiwake, but lost it again? https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/docklands-developer-harry-crosbie-seeks-the-return-of-kittiwake-lightship/40378302.html
  https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/dublin/2022/12/29/harry-crosbie-threatens-legal-action-against-dublin-port-company-over-ship-ownership/
  https://afloat.ie/sail/historic-boats/item/50183-dublin-docklands-developer-harry-crosbie-seeks-return-of-former-lightship-kittiwake
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Everett AFL team

Created by Bogger (talk) and SeoR (talk). Nominated by Bogger (talk) at 10:34, 16 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Harry Crosbie; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

Adequate sourcing: -
- [1] does not appear reliable as to the year Crosbie bought Kittiwake (seemingly a blog), and [2] does not verify 2008.
- Neither cited source verifies 2021 as the year that Kittiwake was moved.
Neutral:
Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
Other problems: - The "Personal life" section violates WP:BLPNAME. Please remove the names of Crosbie's wives unless they have significance beyond being his wives.

Hook eligibility:

Cited: -
- ALT0: ? Depends on resolution of sourcing issue above
- ALT1: Y
Interesting:
Other problems: -
- ALT2: Struck as veering on promotional
- ALT4: Struck as non-neutral ("saved")

QPQ: Done.

Overall: @Bogger and SeoR: A few issues to take care of here. Regardless of the sourcing issue on ALT0, my preference is for ALT1, although I'd recommend unlinking "British Ambassador" and either dropping the comma after "in part" or transposing "for" and "in part". -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe|she) 02:06, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Added better sources for actual dates (2007, and 2022) for Kittiwake. Spouse names removed-Bogger (talk) 08:59, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Tamzin: Happy for slightly adjusted ALT1a: ... that Dublin property developer Harry Crosbie received an OBE from the British Ambassador for, in part, entertaining Her Majesty with his showbiz contacts? Source: https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/the-names-crosbie-harry-crosbie-family-man-gets-obe/28821271.html

thanks -Bogger (talk) 08:59, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Bogger: Sorry for the delay here. Was less active what with Thanksgiving and just now getting back to this. Thanks for adding the sources. 2022 checks out. The afloat.ie source didn't seem to verify 2007, but this other afloat.ie source linked from it did, so I've taken the liberty of replacing the source. Let me know if there's any issue with that. I would still have some questions on the wording of ALT0, but if we're both happy on ALT1a, then

let's go with that. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe|she) 04:08, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Tamzin: that's fine by me. Thanks. -Bogger (talk) 09:24, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]