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Awards[edit]

Dear anon editor if you feel that Müller did not receive the Oak Leaves to the Knight's Cross while assigned to JG 3 then you must present verifiable evidence. Claiming that you have access to documentation is insufficient. Thanks MisterBee1966 (talk) 12:12, 29 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If you don't believe me, just contact the German Military Arcive in Freiburgh. They are nutral and offical. Thay have all offical transfer and carrer paperwork.

Please do not mess up the history of my family members. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.28.69.5 (talk) 15:13, 30 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dear anon editor. By no means do I intend to mess up history! In Wiki we can only write what is verifiable. So the way to go about this is to provide verifiable evidence. The burden for this is with you since the information provided so far is based on Scherzer and Fellgiebel. While I think that you are correct in stating that he received the Oak Leaves while serving with JG 53 you need to provide evidence for this. The footnote in the article currently states that this is an issue to look into. Until verifiable evidence is provided the article shall point out that we have contradicting information.MisterBee1966 (talk) 18:01, 30 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sehr geehrter unbekannter Editor. Da ich durchaus glaube, dass Ihre Anmerkungen bzgl. Müller korrekt sind kann ich nicht die in Scherzer und Fellgiebel gemachten Angaben entfernen. Diese Angaben basieren, obwohl eventuell fehlhaft, auf verifizierbaren Daten. Ich habe daher Prien als Referenz für eine Unstimmigkeit der Richtigkeit angeben.MisterBee1966 (talk) 18:01, 30 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Please also look here discussion at WikiProject Military history MisterBee1966 (talk) 21:25, 30 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The award section now reflects the chain of events which is stated by Prien and claimed by the anon editor. This contradicts Scherzer and Fellgiebel but makes more sense with respect to the chain of events described by Prien. More verifiable sources that can be referenced here are required to truly resolve this contradiction. MisterBee1966 (talk) 23:21, 30 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much.

The only reason why I'm not posting a scan of the original document, is that lots of people will copy this and than is the market full with copy's of the original documents. I hope this understandable. Also I had a bad experience in the past where paople where naking me all the time to sell the medals and documents, where I'm not willed at all to do.

I have to say your Gemran is perfect.

With kind regards from Germany.

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An RfC of interest to this article, "Is Die Eichenlaubträger 1939–1945 a reliable source for mentions in the Wehrmachtbericht? ", has been opened at Reliable Sources Noticeboard. Please join the discussion here. –dlthewave ☎ 05:30, 21 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]