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Isn't this the same thing as CONCACAF Champions' Cup Chupu 19:14, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

they are going to replace Champion's Cup with this- it will basically be the same thing but it will include a group stage. (Soccer fan 20:49, 23 May 2006 (UTC))

CONCACAF hasn't announced anything, so this article continues to be irrelevant. Gtrojan 21:47, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

This event is the now announced North American SuperLiga, is it not? That would make this page irrelevent.

Defending champion

The distribution of the 24 spots doesn't seem to leave any room for a defending champion. Will the defending champion (or defending Champions Cup holder in the case of the first competition) not receive automatic entry? Or will they be taking one of their country's already-allotted slots (a system, it seems to me, that would work only until the first non-American, non-Mexican team won the tournament)? Binabik80 (talk) 18:23, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Nothing was mentioned in any of the press releases about previous champions getting an automatic spot. Also, with Concacaf having no coefficient system for leagues or clubs how would they fairly decide who to take away a spot from?NeilCanada (talk) 05:48, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

MERGE CHAMPIONS CUP AND CHAMPIONS LEAGUE PAGES

Yes, I know the CL is the new tournament, but the CC and the CL are both the top club football tournament of North America. It's the same situation with UEFA European cup changing its name and format to the UEFA Champions League, the past winners, history, records, etc of th european cup are included AND merged with the champions league page. The page will still be named the CONCACAF CHampions league but will include the champions cup page however with editing and mentioning that the name and format was changed. I think its useless making two pages for the same tournament, having two pages makes it seem the psat winners will be forgotten and stats will not be carried over. Just because its a new tournament does not mean it the past winners will be erased. It says the CONCACAF CL is modelled after the UEFA tournament, so shouldnt the CONCACAF page be like the UEFA tournament page? Please state your views and opinions about this, I hope we can come to an agreement about a necessary merge of the two pages. --216.211.102.162 (talk) 20:10, 24 March 2008 (UTC) --Muppeteer (talk) 04:02, 15 April 2008 (UTC) Not to confuse, I forgot to log in when i wrote this but the first signature is just my ip address

Another notes to add the AFC champions league also has both pages merged as they included their AFC CL's predecessor the AFC championship cup, they display its history and past winners, the AFC CL is merely a continuation of the top club tournament of asia, so this is even mroe of an incentive to merge the two articles--216.211.102.162 (talk) 23:57, 25 March 2008 (UTC) --Muppeteer (talk) 04:02, 15 April 2008 (UTC) Not to confuse, I forgot to log in when i wrote this but the first signature is just my ip address
I agree despite the name and format change it is still the highest inter-league cup competition for the CONCACAF confederation. Therefore previous records and results should be carried over as has been done with the UEFA Champions League. I've added Merger tags to both articles linking them to the discussion here. If there are no valid objections by May, following the final of the 2008 CONCACAF Champions' Cup, we should move forward with the merger. --JonBradbury —Preceding comment was added at 00:58, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

I also agree. They are basically the same thing in that it decides the CONCACAF Champion and decides who plays in the Club World Cup. Only the name has changed.Gethomas3 (talk) 02:59, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Why were the two articles merged already? Johnbradbury's suggestion to wait until May so people could discuss it before doing so seemed reasonable. NeilCanada (talk) 04:43, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

I don't think that the fact that the winner of the tournament still gets the right to go the Club World Cup is enough to consider this tournamnet to have the same history as the Champions Cup. The Champions Cup was contested by Cup Winners, whereas the Champions League will be contested by more than just Cup winners, also there will be a group stage. This is like comparing the UEFA Cup Winners Cup to the UEFA Cup. NeilCanada (talk) 05:51, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
The competition is not only made up of Cup winners. Especially for the MLS in the more recent incarnations of the format, there have been other ways of qualifying for the tournament. The 2007 as well as the 2008 Champions' Cups had spots available to the MLS Shield winners (the team finishing at the top of the regular season MLS table). The 04 05 and 06 competitions were open to the teams finishing top of the conference opposite of the MLS Cup winners. The 2003 competition was open to the MLS Shield winner and runner up. What's more, other teams from the Central American and Caribbean zones reached the Champions' Cup through a smaller competition which they qualified for based on their league performances. As for the group stages: only in the final year of the European Cup, 91-92, had a group stage. The preceding 35 years of the tournament prior to the final was contested by two legged knockouts. So this can be viewed as the same competition with a new qualifying system and format change, in the same way we consider the evolution between the first incarnation of the European Cup and the current Champions League to be the same competition, albeit with a new name and structure. --JonBradbury
Merge: The name and format are changing, but it's the same competition with a single shared history. The Cup Winners Cup analogy falls short since the UEFA Cup coexisted with the Cup Winners Cup before the latter competition was discontinued. A better analogy would be the UEFA Champions League and the old European Cup. They both share an article on the trophy. It also indicates a case where a competition previously only entered by winners was later opened up to runners up and maintains a shared history. krebbe (talk) 03:13, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
When merging these articles shall we follow the style of the UEFA Champions League then? For example the 'date founded' is listed as 1955 for UEFA. Shall we change the date found here to 1962? NeilCanada (talk) 15:16, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
Merge This is definitely an issue of rebranding, as opposed to a new tournament, and is misleading to change it, on a macro level. The specific reasons are well laid out above, and do not need rehashing. Nlsanand (talk) 01:31, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Statistics

I started a statistics page. A couple tables on there have been posted elsewhere already. I made an all time Champions' Cup table, started an All time Champions League table, made a total semi finalists table, have a couple other things started that are still hidden until they are ready. I tried to format it after the UEFA Statistics page.NeilCanada (talk) 06:51, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Logo?

Anyone care to add the logo that was there?

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/444/concacafchampionsleagueyw2.jpg —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.171.24.187 (talk) 06:18, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
Anyone?

Getthomas I noticed you have deleted the logo from the article, perhaps you should check out this link where CONCACAF used the logo.

http://www.concacaf.com/view_article.asp?id=4084 NeilCanada (talk) 16:11, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Semifinalists

Do we even really need to add the semifinalists of the previous tournaments? The champions cup was a small enough as it is, but I think its really unnecessary to add the semifinal clubs, what do you think? --Muppeteer (talk) 03:30, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

I think its a nice to be able to see that on there, and looking forward to the Champions League I think it will be even more relevant. I think the page should nkjuvhuyvtctxrvgbnmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

separate Champions Cup, and Champions League

There not the same thing —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.59.86.218 (talk) 20:48, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

After the 2008 CONCACAF Champions Cup, yes, they will be the same thing. ¢rassic! (talk) 22:49, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
Yes, the CL will replace the CC, and No, they are 2 different tournaments, the CC will ceas to exist. JC 16:13, 17 July 2008 (PST)

Very good article

To all of you that worked on this, Very nice! you guys did a great job, I mean this article is good, then the detailes for each year, they are good.
The only thing missing is a minute by minute scoring detail for each game lol! --Ceezmad (talk) 19:37, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Makes no sense

The whole purpose of the extra time is due to inability to define the best team in a draw with one of the criteria being the away goal rule, not vice-versa. The extra time cannot influence away goal rule, because it is a result of the criterion, not the cause. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 15:53, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Wait, please, disregard the previous posting. I might be mistaken, but it sounds somewhat awkward. What would be a good example that would support the given statement? If one game ends in 2:1 (in favor of the first home team) and another - 1:2 (in favor of the second home team), then the last game will go into overtime. What if the overtime ends with 1:1 that makes the second game 2:3. Does that mean that the current home team wins? Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 16:00, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
Penalties in that case then. It's different in UEFA competitions, there the away team would win by the awy goal rule if the extra time ends. 1-1. -Koppapa (talk) 23:08, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Runner-ups statistics

Should semi-finalists who withdrew or were disqualified from the final such as in the 1968, 1970, 1973 and 1984 be classified as runner-ups? For example, when it come to the 1968 edition, Toluca basically won the tournament by forfeit because Transvaal and Aurora were disqualified in the semi-finals, ence neither should be considered a losing finalist. I say we should change the statistics regarding these for editions. Koppapa (talk) 18:41, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

======WHAT are the stadium standards======Ranul (talk) 16:57, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Orphaned references in CONCACAF Champions League

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of CONCACAF Champions League's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "regulations":

Reference named "2014-03-21-announcement":

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 20:28, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Score Formatting

in the tables listing the results of the finals, there are spaces around the endash which are typically not there anywhere else in WP:FOOTBALL, i.e. 1 – 2 instead of 1–2. Is there some reason for this page to be different? If not, I'll remove the extraneous spaces for consistency (and, IMO, increased readability).--John, AF4JM (talk) 13:28, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

United States column in results by country

I want to encourage other editors to leave the United States column in the results by country as is and by only counting results from teams that are based in the United States of America. I determined that an editor that had reverted it to the previous state and a lazy attempt to "fix" an issue that could be fixed in a much better way. Why would there be a MLS columnn in the results by country table to begin with since Canada already has its own column therefore not needing a column for MLS. Honestly, It was ridiculous to see how MLS had a column when it is not a country. Last year I had believed I had adjusted it to reflect results for the United States which took and hour or so. Apparently it was wrong, so i attempted it again making sure it was accurate, more than willingly spending an hour to do so. Bluhaze777 (talk) 17:07, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

  • Thank you for doing that. Openskye (talk) 12:07, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

I think the MLS column was part of this table when it was first created. It is not unreasonable to include an MLS column. The other columns represent and link to the leagues in those countries, but MLS is unusual because it includes two countries. We could include columns for both the US and MLS.

My bigger concern is the accuracy of the numbers in the United States column. The numbers in the US column today are quite different from what was there on June 1 (originally added by Bluhaze777 (talk · contribs)). I calculated a couple years for the USA and I'm confident the numbers inserted by Bluhaze777 are still wrong. For these reasons I'm very suspicious of the accuracy of all the numbers in this column.

An accurate column for the United States would improve the article. Perhaps we could get consensus on what the numbers should be, here, before adding them to the article.--SaskatchewanSenator (talk) 18:24, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

It's been nine months and there has been no effort to correct the errors in the table introduced by Bluhaze777, so I'm gong to revert to the previous table. Get consensus on totals for the USA before adding them.--SaskatchewanSenator (talk) 21:42, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

US and Canada spots

All of the Canadian Soccer Association initiates the Canadian Championship among the Canadian clubs that compete in the United States. The Canadian Soccer League that is majorly based on the clubs from exclusively the Ontario province is not being recognized as the national competition. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 16:04, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Three of the USA spots are reserved for the MLS: the two Cup finalists and the Shield winner. If one club occupies two spots by wining the shield and making the Cup final, a runner-up will earn a spot. This article states that if one of the Canadian-based clubs makes the final or wins the Shield, then a runner up will take its spot for the USA. If this is the case, then would that Canadian-based club earn the single Canadian spot, thus nullifying the results of the Canadian Championship?Donutcity (talk) 00:24, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

No, they would not get a spot unless they also won the canadian championship in the same season. The spots are not technically awarded to MLS but rather to the US Federation, which in turn selects 3 of it's 4 allocations from the US-based MLS club's results each season. It would be nice to see the system changed, perhaps to where it's 3 from MLS (regardless of nationality), one from the Canadian Championship, and one from the US Open (or better yet 2, but then I'm biased, haha), but I don't think it will happen. Gecko G (talk) 00:35, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

This table is based on performances by COUNTRY!! it is foolish to have a league occupying a section while MLS clubs from Canada has their own section under Canada. US clubs should have the same fair recognition as other clubs in that table. Those stats do in fact reflect the wins. Loses, and ties of American clubs!! This "reverting" must stop. Bluhaze777 (talk) 21:44, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

Date format?

Is there a reason for the date format for the more recent years of the tournament to use the MDY format instead of the DMY format? Per both MOS:DATETIES and MOS:DATERET I don't see why we would use the former. The website for the competition itself uses both which doesn't help. Jay eyem (talk) 17:44, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

Same discussion is taking place at Talk:2018 CONCACAF Champions League. Jay eyem (talk) 16:42, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

108.26.181.90 (talk) 04:18, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Combine broadcasters tables and change name from Broadcasters to Media coverage?

What is the purpose of separating the broadcasters by region? Also, this doesn't seem to be a complete list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dazzling4 (talk • contribs) 01:16, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

I would not object to the information moved to a page like List of CONCACAF Champions League broadcasters, although I'm not sure if that would be substantial enough to need its own article. I have no idea how complete the list is at the moment. Jay eyem (talk) 03:38, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
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