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Current requests[edit]
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- Category:Gates at Colleges or Universities in the United States to Category:Gates at colleges and universities in the United States – C2A: No reason to capitalize "colleges" or "universities". Also, while I can't find it in WP:CATNAME (would suggest documenting it if that's needed), we generally seem to use "and" rather than "or". Sdkb talk 23:36, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Japanese retired emperors to Category:Japanese emperors who abdicated – C2C: per Category:Monarchs who abdicated, and per Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_May_7#Category:Chinese_retired_emperors. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:29, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Films directed by N. K. Vishwanathan to Category:Films directed by N. K. Viswanathan – C2D: The subject is N. K. Viswanathan (https://silverscreenindia.com/movies/news/cinematographer-nk-viswanathan-dies/) Kailash29792 (talk) 06:59, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Italy military templates to Category:Italy military navigational boxes – C2C: the category consists of two navbox subcategories and 29 navboxes. Rename for consistency with Category:Italy navigational boxes. —andrybak (talk) 23:50, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Italy military ship templates to Category:Italy military ship navigational boxes – C2C: the category consists of 150 navboxes ({{military navigation}}). Rename for consistency with Category:Italy navigational boxes. —andrybak (talk) 23:48, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Haitian-American male actors to Category:American male actors of Haitian descent – C2C: parent is Category:American people of Haitian descent by occupation Mason (talk) 23:00, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:VJs (media personalities) to Category:Video jockeys – C2D: the main article was moved from VJ (media personality) to Video jockey in 2022 (log ID: 133198913). — MarkH21talk 21:19, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:19th-century Turkish composers to Category:19th-century composers from the Ottoman Empire – C2C: turkey isn't a nation until the 20th century Mason (talk) 20:35, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Endeavor to Category:Endeavor (company) – C2D: per Endeavor (company). Armbrust The Homunculus 20:31, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Provosts of The Queen's College, Oxford to Category:Provosts of the Queen's College, Oxford – C2B, per MOS:THEINST. Ham II (talk) 19:04, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ministers of the Interior of Latvia to Category:Ministers of the interior of Latvia – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES Hey man im josh (talk) 16:42, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Danish Culture Ministers to Category:Culture ministers of Denmark – C2C. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:41, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:French Ministers of Religious Affairs to Category:Ministers of religious affairs of France – C2C. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:40, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Danish Ministers for Ecclesiastical Affairs to Category:Ministers for ecclesiastical affairs of Denmark – C2C. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:40, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Danish Ministers of Higher Education and Science to Category:Ministers of higher education and science of Denmark – C2C. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:39, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Danish Interior Ministers to Category:Interior ministers of Denmark – C2C. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:39, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Danish Justice Ministers to Category:Justice ministers of Denmark – C2C. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:39, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Danish Kultus Ministers to Category:Kultus ministers of Denmark – C2C. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:39, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Danish Tax Ministers to Category:Tax ministers of Denmark – C2C. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:38, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Danish Ministers of Climate and Energy to Category:Ministers of climate of Denmark – C2C: See parent at Category:Energy ministers. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:38, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ministers of Environment of Israel to Category:Ministers of environment of Israel – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:37, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Danish Ministers for the Environment to Category:Ministers for the environment of Denmark – C2A: See parent at Category:Environment ministers by country. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:37, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ministers for Defence of Abkhazia to Category:Ministers for defence of Abkhazia – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES Hey man im josh (talk) 16:35, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Vice-Chancellors of Austria to Category:Vice-chancellors of Austria – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:34, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Vice-Chancellors of Germany to Category:Vice-chancellors of Germany – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:34, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Deputy Prime Ministers of Albania to Category:Deputy prime ministers of Albania – C2A: Convert to sentence case, per MOS:JOBTITLES Hey man im josh (talk) 16:31, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Deputy Prime Ministers of Armenia to Category:Deputy prime ministers of Armenia
- Category:Deputy Prime Ministers of Australia to Category:Deputy prime ministers of Australia
- Category:Deputy Prime Ministers of Azerbaijan to Category:Deputy prime ministers of Azerbaijan
- Category:Deputy Prime Ministers of Bahrain to Category:Deputy prime ministers of Bahrain
- Category:Deputy Prime Ministers of Bangladesh to Category:Deputy prime ministers of Bangladesh
- Category:Deputy Prime Ministers of Barbados to Category:Deputy prime ministers of Barbados
- Category:Deputy Prime Ministers of Belarus to Category:Deputy prime ministers of Belarus
- Category:Deputy Prime Ministers of Belize to Category:Deputy prime ministers of Belize
- Category:Deputy Prime Ministers of Cambodia to Category:Deputy prime ministers of Cambodia
- Category:Deputy Prime Ministers of Cameroon to Category:Deputy prime ministers of Cameroon
- Category:Deputy Prime Ministers of Croatia to Category:Deputy prime ministers of Croatia
- Category:Deputy Prime Ministers of Dominica to Category:Deputy prime ministers of Dominica
- Category:Deputy Prime Ministers of East Germany to Category:Deputy prime ministers of East Germany
- Category:Deputy Prime Ministers of East Timor to Category:Deputy prime ministers of East Timor
- Category:Deputy Prime Ministers of Equatorial Guinea to Category:Deputy prime ministers of Equatorial Guinea
- Category:Deputy Prime Ministers of Ethiopia to Category:Deputy prime ministers of Ethiopia
- Category:Deputy Prime Ministers of Fiji to Category:Deputy prime ministers of Fiji
- Category:Deputy Prime Ministers of Gabon to Category:Deputy prime ministers of Gabon
- Category:Deputy Prime Ministers of Georgia to Category:Deputy prime ministers of Georgia
- Category:Deputy Prime Ministers of Grenada to Category:Deputy prime ministers of Grenada
- Category:Deputy Prime Ministers of Hungary to Category:Deputy prime ministers of Hungary
- Category:Deputy Prime Ministers of Indonesia to Category:Deputy prime ministers of Indonesia
- Category:Deputy Prime Ministers of Iran to Category:Deputy prime ministers of Iran
- Category:Deputy Prime Ministers of Italy to Category:Deputy prime ministers of Italy
- Category:Deputy Prime Ministers of Jamaica to Category:Deputy prime ministers of Jamaica
- Category:Deputy Prime Ministers of Kazakhstan to Category:Deputy prime ministers of Kazakhstan
- Category:Deputy Prime Ministers of Kenya to Category:Deputy prime ministers of Kenya
- Category:Deputy Prime Ministers of Kosovo to Category:Deputy prime ministers of Kosovo
- Category:Deputy Prime Ministers of Laos to Category:Deputy prime ministers of Laos
- Category:Deputy Prime Ministers of Lesotho to Category:Deputy prime ministers of Lesotho
- Category:Deputy Prime Ministers of Libya to Category:Deputy prime ministers of Libya
- Category:Deputy Prime Ministers of Liechtenstein to Category:Deputy prime ministers of Liechtenstein
- Category:Deputy Prime Ministers of Luxembourg to Category:Deputy prime ministers of Luxembourg
- Category:Deputy Prime Ministers of Malaysia to Category:Deputy prime ministers of Malaysia
- Category:Deputy Prime Ministers of Malta to Category:Deputy prime ministers of Malta
- Category:Deputy Prime Ministers of Mauritius to Category:Deputy prime ministers of Mauritius
- Category:Deputy Prime Ministers of Moldova to Category:Deputy prime ministers of Moldova
- Category:Deputy Prime Ministers of Mongolia to Category:Deputy prime ministers of Mongolia
- Category:Deputy Prime Ministers of Montenegro to Category:Deputy prime ministers of Montenegro
- Category:Deputy Prime Ministers of Myanmar to Category:Deputy prime ministers of Myanmar
- Category:Deputy Prime Ministers of Namibia to Category:Deputy prime ministers of Namibia
- Category:Deputy Prime Ministers of Nepal to Category:Deputy prime ministers of Nepal
- Category:Deputy Prime Ministers of North Macedonia to Category:Deputy prime ministers of North Macedonia
- Category:Deputy Prime Ministers of Oman to Category:Deputy prime ministers of Oman
- Category:Deputy Prime Ministers of Pakistan to Category:Deputy prime ministers of Pakistan
- Category:Deputy Prime Ministers of Papua New Guinea to Category:Deputy prime ministers of Papua New Guinea
- Category:Deputy Prime Ministers of Saint Kitts and Nevis to Category:Deputy prime ministers of Saint Kitts and Nevis
- Category:Deputy Prime Ministers of Saint Lucia to Category:Deputy prime ministers of Saint Lucia
- Category:Deputy Prime Ministers of Saint Vincent and the Grenadines to Category:Deputy prime ministers of Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
- Category:Deputy Prime Ministers of Samoa to Category:Deputy prime ministers of Samoa
- Category:Deputy Prime Ministers of Serbia to Category:Deputy prime ministers of Serbia
- Category:Deputy Prime Ministers of Singapore to Category:Deputy prime ministers of Singapore
- Category:Deputy Prime Ministers of Slovenia to Category:Deputy prime ministers of Slovenia
- Category:Deputy Prime Ministers of Somalia to Category:Deputy prime ministers of Somalia
- Category:Deputy Prime Ministers of South Korea to Category:Deputy prime ministers of South Korea
- Category:Deputy Prime Ministers of Spain to Category:Deputy prime ministers of Spain
- Category:Deputy Prime Ministers of Suriname to Category:Deputy prime ministers of Suriname
- Category:Deputy Prime Ministers of Sweden to Category:Deputy prime ministers of Sweden
- Category:Deputy Prime Ministers of Syria to Category:Deputy prime ministers of Syria
- Category:Deputy Prime Ministers of Tonga to Category:Deputy prime ministers of Tonga
- Category:Deputy Prime Ministers of Tuvalu to Category:Deputy prime ministers of Tuvalu
- Category:Deputy Prime Ministers of Uganda to Category:Deputy prime ministers of Uganda
- Category:Deputy Prime Ministers of Uzbekistan to Category:Deputy prime ministers of Uzbekistan
- Category:Deputy Prime Ministers of Vanuatu to Category:Deputy prime ministers of Vanuatu
- Category:Deputy Prime Ministers of Yemen to Category:Deputy prime ministers of Yemen
- Category:Deputy Prime Ministers of Zimbabwe to Category:Deputy prime ministers of Zimbabwe
- Category:Deputy Prime Ministers of the Bahamas to Category:Deputy prime ministers of the Bahamas
- Category:Deputy Prime Ministers of the Cook Islands to Category:Deputy prime ministers of the Cook Islands
- Category:Deputy Prime Ministers of the Faroe Islands to Category:Deputy prime ministers of the Faroe Islands
- Category:Deputy Prime Ministers of the Netherlands to Category:Deputy prime ministers of the Netherlands
- Category:Deputy Prime Ministers of the Solomon Islands to Category:Deputy prime ministers of the Solomon Islands
- Category:Deputy Prime Ministers of the United Arab Emirates to Category:Deputy prime ministers of the United Arab Emirates
- Category:Deputy Prime Ministers of the United Kingdom to Category:Deputy prime ministers of the United Kingdom
- Category:Deputy Prime ministers of Eswatini to Category:Deputy prime ministers of Eswatini
- Category:First Vice-presidents of the European Commission to Category:First vice-presidents of the European Commission
- Category:Indian Deputy Prime Ministers to Category:Indian deputy prime ministers
- Category:Vice Premiers of Abkhazia to Category:Vice premiers of Abkhazia
- Category:Vice Premiers of the People's Republic of China to Category:Vice premiers of the People's Republic of China
- Category:Vice Prime Ministers of Mauritius to Category:Vice prime ministers of Mauritius
- Category:Vice Prime Ministers of Ukraine to Category:Vice prime ministers of Ukraine
- Category:Deputy First Ministers of Scotland to Category:Deputy first ministers of Scotland
- Category:Deputy Premiers of Bermuda to Category:Deputy premiers of Bermuda
- Category:Deputy Prime Minister of Saudi Arabia to Category:Deputy prime ministers of Saudi Arabic – C2C: Convert to plural, based on parent category of Category:Deputy prime ministers, and downcase per MOS:JOBTITLES. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:29, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Deputy Prime Minister of Qatar to Category:Deputy prime ministers of Qatar – C2C: Convert to plural, based on parent category of Category:Deputy prime ministers, and downcase per MOS:JOBTITLES. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:29, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Deputy Prime Minister of Kuwait to Category:Deputy prime ministers of Kuwait – C2C: Convert to plural, based on parent category of Category:Deputy prime ministers, and downcase per MOS:JOBTITLES. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:28, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Aftermath of the First Libyan Civil War to Category:Aftermath of the Libyan civil war (2011) – C2D: Per past move discussion that resulted in First Libyan Civil War being moved to Libyan civil war (2011). Hey man im josh (talk) 16:22, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Battles of the First Libyan Civil War to Category:Battles of the Libyan civil war (2011)
- Category:Foreign intervention in the First Libyan Civil War to Category:Foreign intervention in the Libyan civil war (2011)
- Category:People of the First Libyan Civil War to Category:People of the Libyan civil war (2011)
- Category:Timelines of the First Libyan Civil War to Category:Timelines of the Libyan civil war (2011)
- Category:People killed in the First Libyan Civil War to Category:People killed in the Libyan civil war (2011)
- Category:Deaths by airstrike during the First Libyan Civil War to Category:Deaths by airstrike during the Libyan civil war (2011)
- Category:Journalists killed while covering the First Libyan Civil War to Category:Journalists killed while covering the Libyan civil war (2011)
- Category:War photographers killed while covering the First Libyan Civil War to Category:War photographers killed while covering the Libyan civil war (2011)
- Category:United Football League (2009–2012) Draft to Category:United Football League (2009–2012) draft – C2D: Category contents are all lowercased, per Talk:AAF_quarterback_draft#Requested_move_17_March_2024. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:07, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:UFL Championship Game to Category:UFL championship game – C2D: Per outcome of Talk:UFL_championship_game#Requested_move_5_May_2024. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:05, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Nordic folk culture to Category:Folk culture of the Nordic countries – C2C: Parent Category:Nordic countries. NLeeuw (talk) 03:56, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Middle Eastern folk culture to Category:Folk culture of the Middle East – C2C: Parent Category:Culture of the Middle East. NLeeuw (talk) 03:54, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Oceanian folk culture to Category:Folk culture of Oceania – C2C: Parent Category:Culture of Oceania. NLeeuw (talk) 03:51, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Asian folk culture to Category:Folk culture of Asia – C2C: Parent Category:Culture of Asia. NLeeuw (talk) 03:49, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:African folk culture to Category:Folk culture of Africa – C2C: Parent Category:Culture of Africa. NLeeuw (talk) 03:47, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:European folk culture to Category:Folk culture of Europe – C2C: Parent Category:Culture of Europe. NLeeuw (talk) 03:46, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Latin American folk culture to Category:Folk culture of Latin America – C2C: Parent Category:Culture of Latin America. NLeeuw (talk) 03:44, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:North American folk culture to Category:Folk culture of North America – C2C: Parent Category:Culture of North America. NLeeuw (talk) 03:39, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:South American folk culture to Category:Folk culture of South America – C2C: Parent Category:Culture of South America. NLeeuw (talk) 03:37, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Unidentified decedents in the United States by state to Category:Unidentified decedents in the United States by state or territory – C2C: is parent: American people by state or territory Mason (talk) 02:45, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Michelle Rodriguez to Category:21st-century American actresses – C2F. Mason (talk) 00:29, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Cultural depictions of Nikolaj Frederik Severin Grundtvig to Category:Cultural depictions of N. F. S. Grundtvig – C2C: parent is N. F. S. Grundtvig (as is the main page name) Mason (talk) 00:10, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Works by Nikolaj Frederik Severin Grundtvig to Category:Works by N. F. S. Grundtvig – C2C: parent is N. F. S. Grundtvig (and the main page name) Mason (talk) 00:10, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Tank navboxes to Category:Tank navigational boxes – C2C: for consistency with Category:Navigational boxes. —andrybak (talk) 22:49, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Nettop to Category:Nettops – C2A (plural set category). DigitalIceAge (talk) 18:55, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- I have only tagged the category now. Note that the main article is a redirect to Mini PC. Ymblanter (talk) 20:36, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- Per Talk:Mini_PC#Requested_move_26_May_2023 the category should probably be renamed to match that. Gonnym (talk) 20:52, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
- Ok, in 48h I am going to move it to Category:Mini PC assuming there are no objections. Ymblanter (talk) 20:22, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Per Talk:Mini_PC#Requested_move_26_May_2023 the category should probably be renamed to match that. Gonnym (talk) 20:52, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
- I have only tagged the category now. Note that the main article is a redirect to Mini PC. Ymblanter (talk) 20:36, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
Opposed requests[edit]
- None currently
On hold pending other discussion[edit]
- None currently
Moved to full discussion[edit]
- Category:United States politicians killed during the Civil War to Category:Politicians killed in the American Civil War - this new name is shorter and less ambiguous, as the category lists both Union and Confederate politicians who died in the ACW. AHI-3000 (talk) 03:10, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
- Whereas the argument is compelling, I do not think this is a speedy case. Ymblanter (talk) 21:11, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- Moved to full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:10, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Rebel princes to Category:Princely rebellions – C2D: Princely rebellion. NLeeuw (talk) 10:23, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, this is a category of princes, not so much of rebellions. Perhaps split. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:31, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- Moved to full: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 9#Category:Rebel princes. NLeeuw (talk) 22:54, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ministers of finance of Württemberg to Category:Finance ministers of Württemberg – C2C: Per Category:Finance ministers by country AusLondonder (talk) 17:31, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ministers of finance of the Solomon Islands to Category:Finance ministers of the Solomon Islands – C2C: Per Category:Finance ministers by country AusLondonder (talk) 17:28, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ministers of finance of Norway to Category:Finance ministers of Norway – C2C: Per Category:Finance ministers by country AusLondonder (talk) 17:27, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ministers of finance of Niue to Category:Finance ministers of Niue – C2C: Per Category:Finance ministers by country AusLondonder (talk) 17:27, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ministers of finance of Japan to Category:Finance ministers of Japan – C2C: Per Category:Finance ministers by country AusLondonder (talk) 17:25, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ministers of finance of Finland to Category:Finance ministers of Finland – C2C: Per Category:Finance ministers by country AusLondonder (talk) 17:24, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ministers of finance of Ecuador to Category:Finance ministers of Ecuador – C2C: Per Category:Finance ministers by country AusLondonder (talk) 17:23, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ministers of finance of Cyprus to Category:Finance ministers of Cyprus – C2C: Per Category:Finance ministers by country AusLondonder (talk) 17:21, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ministers of finance of Chile to Category:Finance ministers of Chile – C2C: Per Category:Finance ministers by country AusLondonder (talk) 17:20, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ministers of finance of Burkina Faso to Category:Finance ministers of Burkina Faso – C2C: Per Category:Finance ministers by country AusLondonder (talk) 17:19, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ministers for finance of Abkhazia to Category:Finance ministers of Abkhazia – C2C: Per Category:Finance ministers by country AusLondonder (talk) 17:18, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ministers of finance of Afghanistan to Category:Finance ministers of Afghanistan – C2C: Per Category:Finance ministers by country AusLondonder (talk) 17:17, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ministers of Labour of Israel to Category:Labour ministers of Israel – C2C: Per Category:Labor ministers by country AusLondonder (talk) 17:09, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Italian Ministers of Labour to Category:Labour ministers of Italy – C2C: Per Category:Labor ministers by country AusLondonder (talk) 17:07, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Taiwanese Ministers of Labor to Category:Labor ministers of Taiwan – C2C: Per Category:Labor ministers by country AusLondonder (talk) 17:05, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ministers of Labour of Finland to Category:Labour ministers of Finland – C2C: Per Category:Labor ministers by country AusLondonder (talk) 17:04, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Romanian Ministers of Defence to Category:Defence ministers of Romania – C2C: Per Category:Defense ministers by country AusLondonder (talk) 16:43, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ministers for Defence of Luxembourg to Category:Defence ministers of Luxembourg – C2C: Per Category:Defense ministers by country AusLondonder (talk) 16:58, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ministers of Defence of Lithuania to Category:Defence ministers of Lithuania – C2C: Per Category:Defense ministers by country AusLondonder (talk) 16:58, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ministers of Defense of Israel to Category:Defense ministers of Israel – C2C: Per Category:Defense ministers by country AusLondonder (talk) 16:54, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Bissau-Guinean Ministers of Defense to Category:Defence ministers of Guinea-Bissau – C2C: Per Category:Defense ministers by country AusLondonder (talk) 16:53, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ministers of Defence of Papua New Guinea to Category:Defence ministers of Papua New Guinea – C2C: Per Category:Defense ministers by country AusLondonder (talk) 16:41, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ministers of Defence of Tajikistan to Category:Defence ministers of Tajikistan – C2C: Per Category:Defense ministers by country AusLondonder (talk) 16:37, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ministers of Defence of Turkmenistan to Category:Defence ministers of Turkmenistan – C2C: Per Category:Defense ministers by country AusLondonder (talk) 16:36, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Venezuelan Ministers of Defense to Category:Defense ministers of Venezuela – C2C: Per Category:Defense ministers by country AusLondonder (talk) 16:35, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ministers of Defence of Vietnam to Category:Defence ministers of Vietnam – C2C: Per Category:Defense ministers by country AusLondonder (talk) 16:31, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ministers of Defence of Mongolia to Category:Defence ministers of Mongolia – C2C: Per Category:Defense ministers by country AusLondonder (talk) 15:59, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ministers of Defence of Kyrgyzstan to Category:Defence ministers of Kyrgyzstan – C2C: Per Category:Defense ministers by country AusLondonder (talk) 15:55, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ministers of Defence of Kazakhstan to Category:Defence ministers of Kazakhstan – C2C: Per Category:Defense ministers by country AusLondonder (talk) 15:54, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Belgian Ministers of Defence to Category:Defence ministers of Belgium – C2C: Per Category:Defense ministers by country AusLondonder (talk) 15:41, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ministers of Defense of Azerbaijan to Category:Defence ministers of Azerbaijan – C2C: Per Category:Ministry of Defence (Azerbaijan) and Category:Defense ministers by country AusLondonder (talk) 15:39, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose all word order changes for the political office, or changes from "Ministers for [dept]" to "Ministers of [dept]", unless demonstrated to be local usage. Especially opposing "Ministers of Finance" to "Finance ministers" – I recently renamed these according to local usage; where there is no article for the position in the country, I followed the majority usage in the biography articles. They do not have to follow the wording "Finance ministers" from the parent Category:Finance ministers by country. Note: I am not opposing decapitalisation, nor moving to "of [Country]", which can go ahead speedily. – Fayenatic London 20:37, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Fayenatic london: Wasn't aware, sorry for the extra work these noms have made. Thought I was helping out but you're two steps ahead of me! Hey man im josh (talk) 20:48, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Just noting that I removed all of the nominations I created that were opposed by Fayenatic London. I did make more that were within their scope of what was okay. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:29, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not sure how it's a local usage issue? Why should the category tree of Category:Finance ministers by country not be consistent? AusLondonder (talk) 05:04, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
- In some countries the list article is "Finance Minister (Country)", in others "Minister of Finance (Country)" or "Minister for Finance (Country)", or "Minister for Economy" etc. The category name should match the post name as described in the country, but in lower case according to MOS:JOBTITLE. – Fayenatic London 12:27, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Fayenatic london: Wasn't aware, sorry for the extra work these noms have made. Thought I was helping out but you're two steps ahead of me! Hey man im josh (talk) 20:48, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose all word order changes for the political office, or changes from "Ministers for [dept]" to "Ministers of [dept]", unless demonstrated to be local usage. Especially opposing "Ministers of Finance" to "Finance ministers" – I recently renamed these according to local usage; where there is no article for the position in the country, I followed the majority usage in the biography articles. They do not have to follow the wording "Finance ministers" from the parent Category:Finance ministers by country. Note: I am not opposing decapitalisation, nor moving to "of [Country]", which can go ahead speedily. – Fayenatic London 20:37, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- A few of the above categories are now at full CfD. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:28, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Neo-Latin writers to Category:Writers in Neo-Latin – C2C: Per all child cats and per parent Category:Writers in Latin by period. NLeeuw (talk) 01:01, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose This is not very natural language. It is inconsistent with the same level categories "Classical Latin-language writers", "Latin-language writers of late antiquity", "Medieval Latin-language writers", "Old Latin-language writers", and "Renaissance Latin-language writers".
- This is because "Neo-Latin" etc are actually styles, that are associated with a period. Jim Killock (talk) 05:42, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Latin-language writers of late antiquity to Category:Writers of late antiquity in Latin – C2C: Per all child cats and per parent Category:Writers in Latin by period. NLeeuw (talk) 00:57, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Very clumsy sounding Jim Killock (talk) 05:44, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Classical Latin-language writers to Category:Writers in Classical Latin – C2C: Parent Category:Writers in Latin by period. NLeeuw (talk) 00:54, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Very clumsy sounding Jim Killock (talk) 05:44, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Old Latin-language writers to Category:Writers in Old Latin – C2C: Per all child cats and per parent Category:Writers in Latin by period. NLeeuw (talk) 00:44, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Sounds clumsy. Same Jim Killock (talk) 05:43, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Renaissance Latin-language writers to Category:Renaissance writers in Latin – C2C: Per all child cats and per parent Category:Writers in Latin by period. NLeeuw (talk) 00:42, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Sounds weird per others Jim Killock (talk) 05:44, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Medieval Latin-language writers to Category:Medieval writers in Latin – C2C: Per all child cats and per parent Category:Writers in Latin by period. NLeeuw (talk) 00:39, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Same Jim Killock (talk) 05:42, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Same. These sound weird. Jim Killock (talk) 05:43, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- @JimKillock The parent Category:Writers in Latin by period and grandparent Category:Writers in Latin and other related categories were all renamed by consensus last year: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 October 7#Category:Latin-language writers. These are just logical follow-ups to that result. The reason we went for this formula is explained at length in that nom. NLeeuw (talk) 15:49, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- But these are not "by period"; they are "by style". This especially true for Neo-Latin. The periods and styles often coincide, but not precisely. Better would be to follow the styles defined in the articles, so:
- I've explained elsewhere that the periods and styles are not precise. For instance, a writer in the Renaissance may have employed Medieval Latin, or Renaissance Latin; and some may define their Renaissance Latin as Neo-Latin. These are stylistic boundaries which roughly match period, but it is the style, not the period, that determines their classifications. Jim Killock (talk) 19:50, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- @JimKillock I know. Category:14th-century Neo-Latin writers were a thing; it's good that you created that category. But I don't see how it would create a problem if we renamed it Category:14th-century writers in Neo-Latin. If anything, it is even clearer that "14th-century" refers to "writers" and not to "Neo-Latin", so that we shouldn't assume that the kind of Latin they wrote was Medieval Latin. This is all the more reason in favour of renaming, so that our readers understand the difference between style and period. NLeeuw (talk) 14:03, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- The issue is that the whole category structure is used to amalgamate and conflate these two ideas. I don't have an easy solution to it, that doesn't involve some work. It's reasonable to say that a C12th Medieval Latin writer used Medieval Latin, or a C20th writer uses Neo-Latin. Boundary centuries seem debateable. However, the structure makes an absolute assumption, that century and style are the same, except where I started to break it up. This has come up in two recent discussions, the other being when someone wanted to remove my boundary category. But it's clear that the intention was that Category:Classical Latin-language writers should contain Classical Latin writers, ie be a style category, not a time category. Likewise, Late Latin and Neo-Latin. There can be doubt about medieval Latin because of it seems to refer to a period rather than a style; however as it is a set of style categories we should assume it is about style, likewise for Renaissance Latin. The fact that the categories group information from centuries is a laziness, nothing more. In short it is a mess but it is only made worse by changing the names to appear to refer to time periods, some of which don't really exist (Classical Latin isn't a time, nor is Latin Latin, nor is Neo-Latin).
- Category:Writers in Classical Latin; Category:Writers in Neo-Latin - these all refer to a style; they are acceptable from that perspective, but they sounds strange / clumsy to my ear; the natural way to say is Category:Classical Latin writers, Category:Neo-Latin writers, or as close to that as WP allows.
- Taking one example to show why the suggested formulation can sound wrong. Category:Writers in Old Latin; Old Latin is recognised as a phase of Latin, rather than a "style" of Latin, so a bit different, but it functions the same. It is like Old English, not quite the same as Modern English. So, "writers in Old Latin" doesn't work because You [verb] in [language]; you don't [person] in [language]. It is either People writing in Old Latin or Old Latin writers. So Category:Old Latin writers sounds better, another option would be Category:Writers using Old Latin.
- Category:Renaissance writers in Latin; Category:Medieval writers in Latin - refer to a time period and remove the style names. These would need to be Category:Writers in Renaissance Latin; Category:Writers in Medieval Latin. This is not great English, most natural would be Category:Medieval Latin writers, Category: Renaissance Latin writers
- So there seems to be some inconsistency of approach in the current suggestion, as well as a somewhat clumsy use of "in" that isn't needed.
- It has taken me some time to pinpoint the issue with "in"; but I think it is because language can be either a noun or an adjective. When it is a style, describing how someone writes, "Classical Latin" etc, is an adjective. If "Classical Latin" is an adjective, then "in" shouldn't be used. If "Classical Latin" is a noun, as with "Classical Latin" the topic then "in" is possible, eg "Grammar in Classical Latin", or "They write in Classical Latin". As an adjective, it works as "Classical Latin writers". --Jim Killock (talk) 00:59, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- I suppose this will have to be moved to full then... NLeeuw (talk) 13:42, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- Moved to full: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 30#Category:Neo-Latin writers. NLeeuw (talk) 17:40, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
- I suppose this will have to be moved to full then... NLeeuw (talk) 13:42, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- @JimKillock I know. Category:14th-century Neo-Latin writers were a thing; it's good that you created that category. But I don't see how it would create a problem if we renamed it Category:14th-century writers in Neo-Latin. If anything, it is even clearer that "14th-century" refers to "writers" and not to "Neo-Latin", so that we shouldn't assume that the kind of Latin they wrote was Medieval Latin. This is all the more reason in favour of renaming, so that our readers understand the difference between style and period. NLeeuw (talk) 14:03, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- @JimKillock The parent Category:Writers in Latin by period and grandparent Category:Writers in Latin and other related categories were all renamed by consensus last year: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 October 7#Category:Latin-language writers. These are just logical follow-ups to that result. The reason we went for this formula is explained at length in that nom. NLeeuw (talk) 15:49, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Scholars of Mycenaean Greek to Category:Linguists of Mycenaean Greek – C2C: Uncles/aunts in Category:Linguists by language of study are all named
Linguists of Fooian
. NLeeuw (talk) 20:47, 3 April 2024 (UTC) - Category:Scholars of Medieval Greek to Category:Linguists of Medieval Greek – C2C: Uncles/aunts in Category:Linguists by language of study are all named
Linguists of Fooian
. NLeeuw (talk) 20:46, 3 April 2024 (UTC) - Category:Scholars of Koine Greek to Category:Linguists of Koine Greek – C2C: Uncles/aunts in Category:Linguists by language of study are all named
Linguists of Fooian
. NLeeuw (talk) 20:46, 3 April 2024 (UTC) - Category:Scholars of Ancient Greek to Category:Linguists of Ancient Greek – C2C: Uncles/aunts in Category:Linguists by language of study are all named
Linguists of Fooian
. NLeeuw (talk) 20:45, 3 April 2024 (UTC) - Category:Scholars of Greek language to Category:Linguists of Greek – C2C: Siblings in Category:Linguists by language of study are all named
Linguists of Fooian
. NLeeuw (talk) 20:44, 3 April 2024 (UTC)- Comment Nederlandse Leeuw, I don't think the categories for Scholars of Greek are suitable for speedy renaming as the categories contain a mixture of scholars of Greek language and literature. Also Latin is the other classical language and there is no Category:Linguists of Latin. TSventon (talk) 22:21, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- @TSventon I discussed thus with @Fayenatic london in another thread (about Category:Grammarians of Persian), he thought it was a good idea. It's virtually impossible to study the literature of a language without also studying the language itself. (I've been studying Old East Slavic as an amateur lately, because I want to write about Rus' chronicles on Wikipedia). Also, Category:Latinists exists; it currently serves the same function as a Category:Linguists of Latin would. NLeeuw (talk) 02:50, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- Nederlandse Leeuw, I have looked at the content of the categories and am suggesting that these categories are not suitable for speedy renaming. I am happy for the CfD admins to accept or reject my argument. Studying the literature of a language generally involves studying the language itself, but some academics focus more on literature and others on liguistic topics and this is reflected in our categories. Category:Latinists exists and has a Greek counterpart, Category:Hellenists. TSventon (talk) 14:21, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- Okay. I'm not convinced this makes them unsuitable for speedy renaming, but we'll see. Otherwise I'm happy to move to full, although I think it's unnecessary. NLeeuw (talk) 14:24, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- I think this kind of discussion is better held at a full CfD than here. Ymblanter (talk) 19:43, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- Moved to full: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 22#Category:Scholars of Greek language. NLeeuw (talk) 10:06, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- I think this kind of discussion is better held at a full CfD than here. Ymblanter (talk) 19:43, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- Okay. I'm not convinced this makes them unsuitable for speedy renaming, but we'll see. Otherwise I'm happy to move to full, although I think it's unnecessary. NLeeuw (talk) 14:24, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- Nederlandse Leeuw, I have looked at the content of the categories and am suggesting that these categories are not suitable for speedy renaming. I am happy for the CfD admins to accept or reject my argument. Studying the literature of a language generally involves studying the language itself, but some academics focus more on literature and others on liguistic topics and this is reflected in our categories. Category:Latinists exists and has a Greek counterpart, Category:Hellenists. TSventon (talk) 14:21, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- @TSventon I discussed thus with @Fayenatic london in another thread (about Category:Grammarians of Persian), he thought it was a good idea. It's virtually impossible to study the literature of a language without also studying the language itself. (I've been studying Old East Slavic as an amateur lately, because I want to write about Rus' chronicles on Wikipedia). Also, Category:Latinists exists; it currently serves the same function as a Category:Linguists of Latin would. NLeeuw (talk) 02:50, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Nederlandse Leeuw, I don't think the categories for Scholars of Greek are suitable for speedy renaming as the categories contain a mixture of scholars of Greek language and literature. Also Latin is the other classical language and there is no Category:Linguists of Latin. TSventon (talk) 22:21, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
PLEASE NOTE: I have moved all of the following Categories here pending adequate confirmation of their eligibility under C2C. I made a serious effort to look for that, but was unable to find such confirmation. There is a massive jumbled welter of Categories in this realm, with no prevailing pattern that I can discern. Anomalous+0 (talk) 07:16, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Anomalous+0, I have linked Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 December 10#Container categories by descent down below; is that not enough? 1234qwer1234qwer4 21:02, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:20th-century Canadian people by ethnic or national origin to Category:20th-century Canadian people by descent – C2C: Special:Diff/1196829100 1234qwer1234qwer4 22:51, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Canadian people by century and ethnic or national origin to Category:Canadian people by century and descent – C2C: Special:Diff/1196829100 1234qwer1234qwer4 22:51, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Canadian musicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:Canadian musicians by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:10, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Male actors by ethnic or national descent to Category:Male actors by ethnicity – C2C: See Category:People by occupation and ethnicity. 1234qwer1234qwer4 21:31, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Television actresses by ethnic or national descent to Category:Television actresses by ethnicity – C2C: See Category:People by occupation and ethnicity. 1234qwer1234qwer4 21:30, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Actresses by ethnic or national descent to Category:Actresses by ethnicity – C2C: See Category:People by occupation and ethnicity. 1234qwer1234qwer4 21:30, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Television actors by ethnic or national descent to Category:Television actors by ethnicity – C2C: See Category:People by occupation and ethnicity. 1234qwer1234qwer4 21:30, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Actors by ethnic or national descent to Category:Actors by ethnicity – C2C: See Category:People by occupation and ethnicity. 1234qwer1234qwer4 21:29, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Canadian people by ethnic or national origin and century to Category:Canadian people by descent and century – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:09, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Romanian people by ethnic or national origin and occupation to Category:Romanian people by descent and occupation – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:09, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Northern Mariana Islands people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Northern Mariana Islands people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:09, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Malaysian politicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:Malaysian politicians by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:07, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:French politicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:French politicians by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:07, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Dutch politicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:Dutch politicians by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:07, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Transnistrian people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Transnistrian people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:07, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Brazilian actresses by ethnic or national origin to Category:Brazilian actresses by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:07, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:East German people by ethnic or national origin to Category:East German people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:07, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Filipino politicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:Filipino politicians by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:06, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Middle Eastern people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Middle Eastern people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:06, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Moldovan politicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:Moldovan politicians by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:06, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Cebuano people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Cebuano people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:06, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Indonesian politicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:Indonesian politicians by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:05, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Romanian politicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:Romanian politicians by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:03, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Canadian trade unionists by ethnic or national origin to Category:Canadian trade unionists by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:01, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Canadian writers by ethnic or national origin to Category:Canadian writers by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:01, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Canadian families by ethnic or national origin to Category:Canadian families by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:00, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Turks and Caicos Islands people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Turks and Caicos Islands people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:59, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Montserratian people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Montserratian people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:59, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Manx people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Manx people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:59, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Jersey people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Jersey people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:58, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Guernsey people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Guernsey people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:58, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Caymanian people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Caymanian people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:58, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:United States Virgin Islands people by ethnic or national origin to Category:United States Virgin Islands people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:58, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Sint Maarten people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Sint Maarten people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:57, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Saint Martinois people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Saint Martinois people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:57, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Martiniquais people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Martiniquais people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:57, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:People from Overseas France by ethnic or national origin to Category:People from Overseas France by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:57, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Guadeloupean people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Guadeloupean people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:56, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Curaçao people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Curaçao people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:56, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Aruban people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Aruban people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:56, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Caribbean people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Caribbean people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:56, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Anguillan people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Anguillan people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:55, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:British writers by ethnic or national origin to Category:British writers by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:55, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:People from British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies by ethnic or national origin to Category:People from British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:54, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose for now to all by ethnic or national origin nominations. 46.229.243.187 (talk) 08:35, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- The existing wording sounds more natural and is easier to understand. 46.229.243.187 (talk) 14:34, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- Moved to full discussion:
- Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_March_30#Category:English_people_by_ethnic_or_national_origin
- Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_April_9#Category:Swedish_politicians_by_ethnic_or_national_origin
- Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_April_27#British_people_by_descent
- Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_May_6#Actors_by_ethnicity
- Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_May_7#People_from_British_Overseas_Territories_and_Crown_Dependencies_by_ethnic_or_national_origin
- Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_May_8#People_from_Overseas_France_by_ethnic_or_national_origin
- Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_May_9#Caribbean_people_by_descent
- Marcocapelle (talk) 06:53, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- Except in the United States, the "by descent" format seems to be standard everywhere. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:16, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
Current discussions[edit]
May 15[edit]
NEW NOMINATIONS[edit]
Category:Franz von Sickingen[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Franz von Sickingen to Category:Knights' War
- Nominator's rationale: This category only contains the Franz von Sickingen, who was a leader of the Knights' War and the category of the conflict. I think that they should either be merged or this category should be deleted. It really doesn't help navigation. Mason (talk) 00:59, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
May 14[edit]
Category:Soda Den games[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: I am not sure if categories with a single page (or less than a few) is allowed. Therefore, I am bringing this to discussion. I am putting Category:Amstrad video games and Category:BlankMediaGames games for the same reason, since Twinkle (the userscript) doesn't me do that. JuniperChill (talk) 21:57, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- I wanted to mention 'Category:BlankMediaGames games' and one other but for some reason, it isn't appearing. JuniperChill (talk) 21:59, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- Solved. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:05, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- I wanted to mention 'Category:BlankMediaGames games' and one other but for some reason, it isn't appearing. JuniperChill (talk) 21:59, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Art festivals in the United States[edit]
- The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
- The result of the discussion was: withdrawn (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 21:10, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: The name is too similar to Category:Arts festivals in the United States, creating confusion about which articles and categories belong in which. Vegantics (talk) 17:42, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- Question Seems okay, but we don't have any Category:Visual arts festivals cat (tree) yet. Does it overlap with Category:Visual arts competitions, Category:Visual arts conferences and/or Category:Visual arts exhibitions? The latter has Category:Art festivals as a child, so that seems to be an apt parent. On the other hand, do all current items in Category:Art festivals in the United States fit the "visual arts" domain? Category:Arts festivals by type suggests a lot of other domains. If you could answer those questions, we might have a better idea what you are proposing. NLeeuw (talk) 18:01, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- I appreciate the questions. In reviewing Category:Art festivals in the United States, which is described as intended for "festivals focused on the visual arts," I noticed some articles which do not seem applicable. I suspect this is because editors made the same mistake that I did of confusing it with Category:Arts festivals in the United States. However I now realize that this is a bigger standard across Wikipedia and would require a much larger, more extensive discussion. Vegantics (talk) 18:07, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- You're welcome. Would you like to start somewhere else, or could we use this case as an example to set a precedent for future discussions? I should add I've never been to the United States and visuals arts are quite outside my area of expertise (hence the questions for clarification), but I would like to help you out in finding the best way of categorising all these articles. Personally, I find the current category tree quite confusing, so it's a good idea to discuss how we could improve it. NLeeuw (talk) 18:19, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- I appreciate the questions. In reviewing Category:Art festivals in the United States, which is described as intended for "festivals focused on the visual arts," I noticed some articles which do not seem applicable. I suspect this is because editors made the same mistake that I did of confusing it with Category:Arts festivals in the United States. However I now realize that this is a bigger standard across Wikipedia and would require a much larger, more extensive discussion. Vegantics (talk) 18:07, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- Withdraw Upon further research I now understand that this is a (admittedly confusing) standard across Wikipedia. Vegantics (talk) 18:34, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
Category:United States politicians killed during the Civil War[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: per article title American Civil War. This was opposed for speedy. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:07, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Support per nom. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:48, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- Conditional support per nom, but I need clarifications first: why is "United States" proposed to be omitted? So that it could also include Confederate politicians and perhaps foreign politicians who somehow got killed in the ACW? That would mean it no longer fits in the Category:20th-century American politicians (should be Category:19th-century American politicians), and more broadly the Category:American people tree, since Confederates and foreigners were arguably not "United States citizens" for the duration of the ACW (at least from the Confederate POV). In fact, I see the category currently already contains Confederate politicians, so removing "United States" is a good idea, but then we should remove Category:20th-century American politicians as a parent. But that may be a bit too legally speaking on my part . NLeeuw (talk) 18:13, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- At least 20th century is a clear mistake, I changed it to 19th. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:14, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Zzap!64 Gold Medal Award winners[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: A category for winners of "Gold Medal", awarded by a video game magazine. No article on it. See also this discussion. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 04:16, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:OCAWARD. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:16, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle, can you explain how OCAWARD applies here? ToadetteEdit! 11:26, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- The award is not a defining characteristic of these video games. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:28, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle, can you explain how OCAWARD applies here? ToadetteEdit! 11:26, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. ToadetteEdit! 11:22, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:UCLA Department of Earth Planetary and Space Sciences alumni[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Degrees from a school within a university may be defining, a degree from a specific department isn't typically defining. See for a similar case Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_September_23#Category:Harvard_University_Department_of_Psychology_alumni Mason (talk) 04:15, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Ship names with ukrainian origin[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: WP:TRIVIALCAT. Mellk (talk) 03:15, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:01, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. (But if kept, it should be renamed to "Ukrainian")Mason (talk) 04:16, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Paintings of Hebrew Bible themes[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: merge, a split between Hebrew Bible and Old Testament does not make too much sense in biblical art which largely originates from Christianity. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:40, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- It is not a "main" tree per se. Old Testament is different (order of bible books), broader (with deuterocanonical books) and more applicable to topics that are more exclusively associated with Christianity. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:58, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- Whether deuterocanonical books are included depends entirely on denomination. "Hebrew Bible" is the name for the 39 books common to Judaism and Christianity, and I see no reason why Christianity should be regarded as more important.
- On second thought, it might be better to upmerge Category:Paintings based on the Old Testament to its parents, as it is currently a mostly redundant layer. How does that sound? NLeeuw (talk) 22:19, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- Re "
Whether deuterocanonical books are included depends entirely on denomination
", as things stand the "deuterocanonical books" category is within the "Old Testament" one, so isn't this an argument against the status quo as well? But it's resolved if Category:Paintings based on the Old Testament is upmerged to its parents, leaving the subdivisions of the (Christian) Bible as "Hebrew Bible", "deuterocanonical books" and "New Testament" – with no "Old Testament"? I hope I've got that right. Ham II (talk) 16:50, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Re "
- It is not a "main" tree per se. Old Testament is different (order of bible books), broader (with deuterocanonical books) and more applicable to topics that are more exclusively associated with Christianity. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:58, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, but Upmerge & redirect parent Category:Paintings based on the Old Testament (now tagged). There is a Paintings tree within the Art tree, and there is a Hebrew Bible tree within the Old Testament tree. However, I have just removed Choir of San Lorenzo from Category:Paintings based on the Old Testament (as it seemed mistaken or unjustified), leaving only the subcats Paintings of Hebrew Bible themes and Paintings of people in the deuterocanonical books, so there is little justification for keeping that layer at present. – Fayenatic London 12:53, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- In fact, having a gap for OT in that layer (paintings by theme) would be consistent with the hierarchy for paintings of people – we have Category:Paintings of Hebrew Bible people but not Category:Paintings of Old Testament people. – Fayenatic London 14:06, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Disclosure: I have just created Category:Hebrew Bible themes in art, which I judged to be a worthwhile and missing category. – Fayenatic London 12:53, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Tokyo Musashino United FC[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: WP:OCEPON * Pppery * it has begun... 00:59, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
Delete, redundant category layer with only one subcategory.Marcocapelle (talk) 04:05, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Striking vote considering below comment. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:12, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 09:04, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - I have expanded, so there's sufficient content to justify keeping. However, needs a move per WP:C2D to Category:Yokogawa Musashino FC to match the parent article name. @Pppery and Marcocapelle:. GiantSnowman 09:08, May 2024 (IOS)
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Architects[edit]
- Propose deleting Category:Arthur Edmunds
- Propose deleting Category:Bill Lapworth
- Propose deleting Category:Halsey Chase Herreshoff
- Propose deleting Category:John Hawks (architect)
- Propose deleting Category:Lyle Hess
- Propose deleting Category:Philip Rhodes
- Propose deleting Category:Samuel Sloan (architect)
- Propose deleting Category:Emile Weil
- Propose renaming and reparenting Category:Michael Middleton Dwyer to Category:Works by Michael Middleton Dwyer
- Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:OCEPON. These categories only contain an eponymous article and a subcategory, so having the subcategory suffices. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:46, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Ossetian male writers[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Ossetian male writers to Category:Ossetian writers
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge. Non-defining intersection between ethnicity, occupation, and gender. Mason (talk) 16:56, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose; we already have similar categories of ethnciity/occuptation/gender, such as Category:African-American male writers, Category:Yoruba women writers, and Category:Basque women writers. Categorizing writers by gender and nationality is quite common as well; see Category:Male writers by nationality. ForsythiaJo (talk) 17:32, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per WP:OCEGRS, Ossetian male writers is not a notable topic in its own right. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:39, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
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May 13[edit]
California articles missing geocoordinate data[edit]
- Propose deleting Category:San Francisco Bay Area articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Alameda County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Amador County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Butte County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Calaveras County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Colusa County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Contra Costa County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Del Norte County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:El Dorado County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Fresno County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Glenn County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Humboldt County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Imperial County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Inyo County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Kern County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Kings County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Lake County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Lassen County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Los Angeles County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Madera County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Marin County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Mariposa County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Mendocino County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Merced County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Modoc County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Mono County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Monterey County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Napa County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Nevada County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Orange County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Placer County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Plumas County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Riverside County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Sacramento County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:San Benito County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:San Bernardino County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:San Diego County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:San Francisco County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:San Joaquin County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:San Luis Obispo County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:San Mateo County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Santa Barbara County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Santa Clara County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Santa Cruz County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Shasta County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Sierra County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Siskiyou County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Solano County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Sonoma County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Stanislaus County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Sutter County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Tehama County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Trinity County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Tulare County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Tuolumne County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Ventura County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Yolo County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Yuba County, California articles missing geocoordinate data (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: There's no longer a need for these by-county maintenance categories. They were created 15 years ago when the backlog was much larger and separating by county was useful. The backlog has been greatly reduced; at the moment, every one of these categories is empty. (Special thanks to User:Oona Wikiwalker who has added a lot of coordinates recently.) The rate of new California-related articles is low enough that the statewide category is sufficient. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 20:35, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Pardon me, but where have the remaining articles been moved to? I can't seem to find them.
- And thank you for the kind words!Oona Wikiwalker (talk) 21:16, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Oona Wikiwalker: I removed the last remaining articles today by adding coordinates to some and removing the others that didn't need coordinates. There are currently no California-related articles that have been tagged as needing coordinates. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 21:34, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- How do you determine which articles don't need coordinates? I suspect I've wasted a lot of effort on pages that didn't need coordinates... Oona Wikiwalker (talk) 03:25, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Oona Wikiwalker: I removed the last remaining articles today by adding coordinates to some and removing the others that didn't need coordinates. There are currently no California-related articles that have been tagged as needing coordinates. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 21:34, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Some US counties are very small in area or population. For example, the category tree for Alpine County, California, has only 194 articles according to Petscan — this county has only about 1,000 people and is smaller in area than most counties in Texas. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:27, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as per nomination, although if these are now empty categories wouldn't CSD C1 have been quicker and more apporpriate? Adam Black talk • contributions 22:04, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Adam Black GB: The guidelines for C1 seem to exclude occasionally-empty maintenance categories; this is a somewhat uncommon case of those categories no longer being needed. I figured it was better to bring to CfD than risk confusion with CSD. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 22:10, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- Ah, I see. From my reading of it I thought C1 could be used if the maintenance category templates weren't on the page. Adam Black talk • contributions 22:37, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Adam Black GB: The guidelines for C1 seem to exclude occasionally-empty maintenance categories; this is a somewhat uncommon case of those categories no longer being needed. I figured it was better to bring to CfD than risk confusion with CSD. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 22:10, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Trinitrotoluene[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Trinitrotoluene to Category:TNT
- Nominator's rationale: Category name should be consistent with the title of the article TNT. HertzDonuts (talk) 17:48, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, as there are lots of meanings. Unlike articles, where it's easy to find and correct mislinking ("TNT" but not the chemical meaning), cats are less well patrolled, harder to notice, and and create more problems when mis-set. In fact, the original Category:TNT was about the Russian TV channel even though the the chemical article was already at TNT. WP:MOSCAT notes:
- "Avoid abbreviations. Example: "Category:Military equipment of World War II", not "Category:Military equipment of WW2". However, acronyms that have become the official, or generally used, name (such as NATO) should be used where there are no other conflicts."
- and in this case the name is not "official", just COMMONNAME and there is a conflict. I have no objection to {{Category disambiguation}} or similar solution (I see that Category:Disambiguation categories does have other entries where the eponymous page is a redirect to a better-named article). DMacks (talk) 19:50, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Note: Wikipedia:WikiProject Chemicals notified of this discussion. DMacks (talk) 19:54, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per DMacks' rationale. --Leyo 20:21, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- I agree with the Oppose arguments. HertzDonuts (talk) 20:24, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per above. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:06, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose as per the other arguments above and also this abbreviation is used in many other areas. Just look at TNT (disambiguation). It is a long list. Adam Black talk • contributions 21:58, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:American communists of the Stalin era[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Per WP:ARBITRARYCAT. Communists in the United States are not necessarily defined by the leader of another country. User:Namiba 17:03, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. A merge is not needed, the articles are already in Category:Members of the Communist Party USA. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:25, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. Definitely an example of an arbitrary category. Adam Black talk • contributions 22:48, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
Newspapers published in Western Australia by region[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Newspapers published in Goldfields-Esperance (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Newspapers of the Goldfields-Esperance region of Western Australia
- Propose renaming Category:Pilbara newspapers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Newspapers of the Pilbara region of Western Australia
- Propose renaming Category:South West Newspapers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Newspapers of the South West region of Western Australia
- Nominator's rationale: I'm proposing renaming these categories for consistency with the following existing categories:
- Category:Newspapers of the Mid West region of Western Australia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Category:Newspapers of the Peel region of Western Australia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Category:Newspapers of the Wheatbelt region of Western Australia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- There are also four other regions (the Gascoyne, Great Southern, Kimberley and Perth metropolitan regions) without categories at present, but I plan to work on articles for as many of Australia's newspapers as I can so I expect these categories to be necessary at some point. The only reason for this nomination is for consistency amongst sub-category names, so I wouldn't be opposed to another naming scheme. This one just makes the most sense to me. Adam Black talk • contributions 16:29, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Note: WikiProject Western Australia notified of this discussion. Adam Black talk • contributions 21:23, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Update: I have now created the categories for the remaining three Western Australian regions,
- Category:Newspapers of the Gascoyne region of Western Australia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Category:Newspapers of the Great Southern region of Western Australia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Category:Newspapers of the Kimberley region of Western Australia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Therefore six of the ten subcategories now follow the same naming scheme. I would also like to add another category to this nomination:
- The rationale is the same as for the original proposal. Adam Black talk • contributions 07:30, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Ernest Cline[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary layer of categorization. The "works by" category suffices as a top level parent category. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 15:51, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:OCEPON. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:26, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Electoral reform in Jersey[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: No need to differentiate the electoral reform referendums from the others. At the very least, have it nested under the referendums in jersey category rather its own separate category alongside it. Saltywalrusprkl (talk) 14:51, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. There is no need to merge, both articles are already in Category:Referendums in Jersey and Category:Electoral reform referendums. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:31, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Yoruba police officers[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OCEGRS. There are MANY Yoruba occupation categories which could also be nominated. Moreover, many of the people in these categories are put their because of their name, not because sources say that they are Yoruba. User:Namiba 14:10, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:31, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Beringia[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: delete, anachronistic content, Beringia is a concept from prehistoric geography, but the category only contains current-day geography. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:51, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Marcocapelle's definition contradicts the maim article Beringia, which defines it as a current region. Dimadick (talk) 18:52, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- It does not. It was one coherent region because the Bering Street was dry land. That is no longer the case. Beringia is not usually on any current-day map. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:35, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
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Oppose per Dimadick. Nom seems to ignore the fact that the English term Beringia is also used for a present-day region. That it doesn't usually appear on present-day maps is an argument from anecdotal evidence. If nom could demonstrate that the category arbitrarily mixes up past and present in a confusing manner, that would be interesting to consider for a renaming or split, or something. NLeeuw (talk) 11:39, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
- Except a spurious touristic source, all sources referenced to are related to prehistory. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:22, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. That one source, https://www.nps.gov/subjects/beringia/index.htm, claiming that Beringia still exists today, evidently represents a fringe view not supported by the first 10 other sources I checked. All other language versions also support the idea that it is a region which no longer exists, and equivalent to "Bering Land Bridge". So let's remove that spurious source, and delete the whole category that has nothing to do with the geological, geographical and human migratory aspect of Beringia. NLeeuw (talk) 22:11, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Battles involving Bengal[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: merge, battles are diffused by (former) countries and Bengal was not a country. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:52, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Rename to Category:Battles involving Bangladesh, The battles in the category are involved Bengal region and Bangladesh is created from the a big part of the region. It would be better to rename the category and make specify it for country-wise battle category. Mehedi Abedin 09:07, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Rename to Category:Military history of Bengal. IMHO this is a useful division of Category:History of Bengal. – Fayenatic London 09:56, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Ok that is a reasonable alternative, but then still the content should be added to Category:Battles involving the Indian kingdoms too. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:29, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: it should only be a selective merge to that parent, because many of the articles are already in other subcats of that one, and I'm not sure whether the others belong there. I suggest you watch the category and merge any valid missing items yourself if the rename goes through. – Fayenatic London 15:15, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- Fair enough. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:18, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- Ok that is a reasonable alternative, but then still the content should be added to Category:Battles involving the Indian kingdoms too. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:29, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Pocatello Army Air Base Bombardiers football seasons[edit]
- Keep; standard cat scheme. Jweiss11 (talk) 16:37, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:20, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Saying something is standard, so we should keep it, is not a compelling reason. Having only one category is not helpful for navigation. Mason (talk) 23:48, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
- Yes it is. Parallelism matters and should be considered a central pillar of Wikipedia. If this cat merged as nominated, then 1943 Pocatello Army Air Base Bombardiers football team is lost from the tree at Category:College football seasons by team. User:Let'srun's notations here are becoming tiresome and obstructive. Jweiss11 (talk) 03:57, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
- I agree with the problem, it should also be merged to Category:College football seasons. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:50, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
- Marcocapelle, did you mean Category:College football seasons by team? Jweiss11 (talk) 20:52, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
- No, I mean a new category, of which Category:College football seasons by team should be a subcategory, and to which articles of current one-article subcategories would be moved. Marcocapelle (talk) 02:25, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
- Note that there's already Category:College football seasons in the United States, which is a parent of Category:College football seasons by team. Jweiss11 (talk) 03:13, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks, I overlooked that. It is quite confusing that the parent category has "in the United States" in the name while Category:College football seasons by team has not. Then Category:College football seasons in the United States should be the new merge target, at least in theory. But the article is already in a year subcategory of it, so then my comment becomes about a second merge target entirely moot. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:08, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
- Yes it is. Parallelism matters and should be considered a central pillar of Wikipedia. If this cat merged as nominated, then 1943 Pocatello Army Air Base Bombardiers football team is lost from the tree at Category:College football seasons by team. User:Let'srun's notations here are becoming tiresome and obstructive. Jweiss11 (talk) 03:57, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
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Roman Catholic bishops in Macau[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Roman Catholic bishops in Macau to Category:Roman Catholic bishops of Macau
- Propose merging Category:19th-century Roman Catholic bishops in Macau to Category:Roman Catholic bishops of Macau, Category:19th-century Macau people, Category:19th-century Roman Catholic bishops in China and Category:19th-century Roman Catholic bishops in Portugal
- Propose merging Category:20th-century Roman Catholic bishops in Macau to Category:Roman Catholic bishops of Macau, Category:20th-century Macau people, Category:20th-century Roman Catholic bishops in China and Category:20th-century Roman Catholic bishops in Portugal
- Propose merging Category:21st-century Roman Catholic bishops in Macau to Category:Roman Catholic bishops of Macau, Category:21st-century Macau people, Category:21st-century Roman Catholic bishops in China
- Nominator's rationale: merge, per article List of bishops of Macau, Catholic bishops are primarily bishop of a diocese. This is follow-up on Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_April_16#Category:16th-century_Roman_Catholic_bishops_in_Portuguese_Macau. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:43, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom. Although I'm on the fence about merging to Category:FOO-century Macau people, because not everyone is from Macau. Mason (talk) 16:17, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
- This category tree is now a big mess. · There were Catholic bishops who were appointed bishops or titular bishops elsewhere but stationed in Macau, some of them as coadjutor/auxiliary bishops or administrators or governors of this diocese. These bishops were not bearers of the title Bishop of Macau although they were bishops who worked in Macau. Further the diocese covered a much much larger area in the Far East. It's only since the 1950s (or the 1980s if the two parishes in Malacca Malaysia and Singapore are taken into consideration) the Diocese of Macau is coterminous with the present-day territorial extent of Macau. From its founding in the 16th century hundreds of dioceses have been carved out from this diocese. The first proposal regarding Category:Roman Catholic bishops in Macau is therefore opposed. · Likewise the second and the third proposals for the 19th and 20th century categories are opposed for the reasons as stated above, and that this is also a vote for the restoration of the 16th to 18th century categories. If the 19th and the 20th century categories (and the 16th to 18th century categories as well) were to be merged the target should be Portugal since the territory was over the period a Portuguese province (save for the last twelve days of the 20th century). · For the fourth proposal on the 21st century category, bear in mind that the bishop does not participate in any conference of bishops or anything similar of the Chinese catholic church, and that the present bishop is not a native of Macau – There is no point to proceed as proposed. · Overall this is a keep vote (and a vote to clear the mess under the preexisting structure prior to CfD 16 April). 58.152.55.172 (talk) 12:21, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- This user labelled me as such with no explanation and I simply don't understand why she gave me such a label. It appears she just labels when she's running out of supporting arguments. I took no part in making this mess. The categories nominated in this CfD or the 16 April one were created by other editors, and I'd done nothing to change them. 58.152.55.172 (talk) 09:02, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
- By all means purge bishops who were appointed bishops or titular bishops elsewhere, but stationed in Macau. If the tree is a mess we simply should have a clean-up. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:27, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
- They were nevertheless bishops in Macau and these articles fit well within the wider Category:Roman Catholic bishops by country of work tree. 58.152.55.172 (talk) 14:39, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
- For information the bishops attended meetings of the Conferência Episcopal Portuguesa, as in this case in 1973. 58.152.55.172 (talk) 09:42, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as part of a larger categorisation scheme. Moving articles from categories of dependencies to those of the sovereign powers is not uncontested. 42.200.80.48 (talk) 12:44, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Fictional animals by taxon[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Fictional animals by taxon to Category:Fictional animals by type
- Nominator's rationale: No reason has been given why this unnecessarily WP:NARROWCAT has been created. It only contains two taxons which is not enough to justify an entire separate category. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 04:50, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Category:Fictional animals by taxon, but merge Category:Fictional invertebrates and Category:Fictional vertebrates into Category:Fictional animals by taxon. AHI-3000 (talk) 05:08, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- Ultimately doing that is just shuffling around deck chairs and makes no real difference. But I think the more longstanding categories (since 2006) should take precedence over your new 2024 category, not things be merged just because you want your category to be prominent. You have just stated an opinion but not provided a reason to back why taxon is better than the vertebrate/invertebrate split. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 09:45, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Category:Fictional animals by taxon, but merge Category:Fictional invertebrates and Category:Fictional vertebrates into Category:Fictional animals by taxon. AHI-3000 (talk) 05:08, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- Both the nominated and the alt proposal could be an improvement, but I prefer the alternative, in order to keep taxa together as a recognizable attrribute. I have tagged the two subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:43, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: So do you support my suggestion? AHI-3000 (talk) 21:20, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- I already said I prefer your alternative. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:09, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: So do you support my suggestion? AHI-3000 (talk) 21:20, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Jewish communities destroyed in the Holocaust[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Disclaimer: I would like to say that this is a sensitive topic that should not be treated lightly. I am going to make some observations that seek to address what I see as inappropriate categorisation practices, but I thereby do not seek to deny or diminish or trivialise the severity of The Holocaust. That said: I think this is an WP:ARBITRARYCAT that should be listified, and every entry supported by WP:RS.
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- If we listify this category, we could at least provide reliable sources in which scholars explain what they mean; categories cannot do that for us. NLeeuw (talk) 17:10, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, the category contains articles about current-day European cities and towns rather than articles about pre-1945 Jewish communities. No objection against listification per se, but I think this task is far too big for someone to start with on a short term. The category content may be listed at the talk page of a relevant WikiProject before deletion, for someone, or maybe for multiple editors together, to start listifying in their own pace. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:59, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- That seems like a good idea. Perhaps the creator @Eladkarmel is willing to do so? NLeeuw (talk) 20:32, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete These populated places are not notable for being Jewish communities. Dimadick (talk) 19:14, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
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- Only if there are enough independent sources for such a list. Dimadick (talk) 00:27, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- I suspect there are plenty of libraries full of sources writing about this. But as Marco said, documenting and verifying all that takes a lot of time, so it would probably be best to list the content on a relevant WikiProject talk page. I think the most appropriate would be Wikipedia:WikiProject Jewish history. NLeeuw (talk) 21:31, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Only if there are enough independent sources for such a list. Dimadick (talk) 00:27, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Dimadick Do you support the proposal to listify before deleting? NLeeuw (talk) 18:51, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
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Category:American buskers[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:American buskers to Category:American street performers
- Nominator's rationale: This was previously discussed and agreed at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 January 31#Category:American buskers before it was suddenly moved back without any discussion. WP:ENGVAR allows us to use the American English term. Buskers is not a word generally used in the United States. JDDJS (talk to me • see what I've done) 18:14, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy rename in the spirit of WP:G4 but keep a redirect. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:24, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- @QuietHere: as you listed this at WP:CFDS you might want to react as well. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:43, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- As I noted when I nominated this for a speedy move in January (see here), the relevant parent category is Category:Buskers by nationality, in which all other entries use that same word. I don't think it makes sense for just one category out of the tree to use different terminology, so I am opposed to this proposal as is. However, I would not oppose renaming the whole tree (and every other relevant category in the greater Category:Buskers tree) based on this given "busking" and "busker" are both redirects to street performance, and I would think it best for all categories to match with that. Plus, I would imagine "street performer" to be a better known, more readily understood, term than "busker". If you wish to extend this proposal to the whole tree, then I will gladly change my vote, but as is I think matching category names is ideal regardless of what terminology is in use. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 19:11, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- What you are arguing goes against WP:ENGVAR. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:05, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- As I noted when I nominated this for a speedy move in January (see here), the relevant parent category is Category:Buskers by nationality, in which all other entries use that same word. I don't think it makes sense for just one category out of the tree to use different terminology, so I am opposed to this proposal as is. However, I would not oppose renaming the whole tree (and every other relevant category in the greater Category:Buskers tree) based on this given "busking" and "busker" are both redirects to street performance, and I would think it best for all categories to match with that. Plus, I would imagine "street performer" to be a better known, more readily understood, term than "busker". If you wish to extend this proposal to the whole tree, then I will gladly change my vote, but as is I think matching category names is ideal regardless of what terminology is in use. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 19:11, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Rename per nom. WP:STRONGNAT? NLeeuw (talk) 17:19, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
Migrant to the Ottoman Empire people from British India[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Turkish people of Hindkowan descent to Category:People of Hindkowan descent
- Propose merging Category:Turkish people of Kashmiri descent to Category:People of Kashmiri descent
- Propose merging Category:Turkish people of Pashtun descent to Category:People of Pashtun descent
- Nominator's rationale: option A: merge, three categories for only one article is not helpful for navigation. Option B:delete, the article is already in Category:Emigrants from British India and Category:Immigrants to the Ottoman Empire which seems to suffice. For a citizen of the Ottoman Empire it is irrelevant which specific Indian ethnicities all of his ancestors had. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:46, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Military history of Lorraine[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Military history of Lorraine to Category:Military history of Grand Est
- Nominator's rationale: merge, Lorraine is a defunct administrative division, meanwhile part of Grand Est. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:00, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Weak support It's true that it is no longer an administrative division, but we've got lots of other "Military history of former country/province X" cats. But I suppose it's okay to merge if that makes navigation easier. NLeeuw (talk) 17:15, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:New South Wales rugby union team players[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: The two are covering the same team and should be merged. Especially as New South Wales rugby union team redirects to the Waratahs. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 09:26, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
Keep: Perhaps there's a better way, but this was an attempt on my part to differentiate between the professional Super Rugby era iteration of the team and the historical side. This would be in the same way rugby league has Category:New South Wales Rugby League State of Origin players as a subcat of Category:New South Wales rugby league team players (though both are captured in the one article). Maybe an option would be to move Category:New South Wales Waratahs players to Category:New South Wales Waratahs (Super Rugby) players? Jevansen (talk) 02:23, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep This seems to be a split for players who played pre-professionalism for New South Wales, and then who played Super Rugby for the Waratahs. While the naming probably isn't perfect, I see the split as being suitable to differentiate between those who played the the New South Wales region, and those who played for the team. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:35, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- Its still the same team @Rugbyfan22: because it seems the Waratah's name was adopted in the 1920's. Just because they turned pro, doesn't mean they stopped being the same side. Rugby was not invented in 1995, the lineage is the same and should be maintained. This is essentially a duplicate category. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 19:12, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Battles in Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Per WP:MILMOS#BATTLESIN and recent precedents. NLeeuw (talk) 06:33, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Manually merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:09, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Battles in Grand Est[edit]
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles in Grand Est to Category:Military history of Grand Est
- Nominator's rationale: Per WP:MILMOS#BATTLESIN and recent precedents. NLeeuw (talk) 06:31, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Manually merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:10, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Kyrgyzstani politicians of Korean descent[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. there'd no need to diffuse Kyrgyzstani people of Korean descent by occupation. Mason (talk) 04:54, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support per given reasoning. Also only one page in the politician cat 104.232.119.107 (talk) 07:24, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:36, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Jules Dassin[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary eponymous parent category for one subcategory of films. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 04:42, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:OCEPON. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:52, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Analysts of Ayodhya dispute[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Analysts of Ayodhya dispute to Category:Scholars of the Ayodhya dispute
- Nominator's rationale: Alternative name sounds more consistent with other categories in Scholars and academics by subject Mason (talk) 04:01, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete in the spirit of WP:PERFCAT, this is just one of many topics that the subjects in this category were involved. No objection to listification. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:56, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Political linguistics[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Political linguistics to Category:Sociolinguistics
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge/delete. This category contains one page and a redirect, which isn't helpful for navigation. Mason (talk) 02:56, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, I don't think the article belongs in Category:Sociolinguistics. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:59, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Centro de Estudios Puertorriqueños faculty[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. This is an institute Centro de Estudios Puertorriqueños within Hunter college. This category is too small to be helpful with navigation right now. Mason (talk) 02:55, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, the upper-level category of City University of New York faculty is for a system of colleges and institutes, and the articles in it should be diffused into the appropriate subcats for each of the different colleges within the system in the same way as categories are done for other university systems. Ideally, all of the articles in the CUNY faculty cat would be diffused into subcats of the different colleges or institutes. Additionally, from what I understand, the centro is housed at Hunter College, but is a separate institute within the CUNY system. Semper Fi FieldMarine (talk) 03:36, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. No objection to diffusion as such, as long as it colleges are big enough to contain lots of articles, but that does not seem to be the case here. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:02, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:NBA 2K players[edit]
- Propose merging Category:NBA 2K players to Category:NBA 2K
- Nominator's rationale: Only one subject in category Let'srun (talk) 02:05, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, not a defining characteristic. (If not deleted, merge per nom.) Marcocapelle (talk) 04:37, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:19th-century Canadian people (post-Confederation)[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Non-defining intersection between century and confederation status. There isn't a Canadian people (post-Confederation) category. Mason (talk) 00:41, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment, the problem is rather in pre-Confederation Canada, when Canada did not yet exist and the term British North America is controversial. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:06, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Canada did not mean all of what you now know as Canada in that era, but it most certainly did exist. A person from the pre-1867 Province of Canada most certainly was a Canadian; a person from the pre-Durham provinces of Upper Canada and Lower Canada most certainly was a Canadian. Bearcat (talk) 22:11, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:19th-century Canadian people also contains people before the confederation who were not from Upper or Lower Canada. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:46, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- Canada did not mean all of what you now know as Canada in that era, but it most certainly did exist. A person from the pre-1867 Province of Canada most certainly was a Canadian; a person from the pre-Durham provinces of Upper Canada and Lower Canada most certainly was a Canadian. Bearcat (talk) 22:11, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. The question of whether a person died before or after 1867 isn't particularly relevant in this context; as I explained above, a person from Upper Canada/Canada West or Lower Canada/Canada East between 1791 and 1867 was still very much a Canadian. Bearcat (talk) 22:11, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Fran Saleški Finžgar[edit]
- Propose deleting Category:Fran Saleški Finžgar (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Works by Fran Saleški Finžgar (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose merging Category:Novels by Fran Saleški Finžgar to Category:Slovenian novels
- Nominator's rationale: Delete for now. This entire category tree only has two pages in it: the author and one novel they work, which isn't helpful for navigation. (Notably it has just as many categories as pages). Mason (talk) 00:22, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Just delete, the novel article is already in Category:Slovene-language novels and Slovenia did not yet exist. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:08, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Fran Levstik[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Delete for now. This category only has two pages in it, the author and the list of their works. That's not helpful for navigation. Mason (talk) 00:20, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I don't object to deletion. Thanks for the notification. --TadejM my talk 03:02, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:OCEPON. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:47, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Fujiwara no Shunzei[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Fujiwara no Shunzei to Category:Hyakunin Isshu poets
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. This category only has two pages in it. One of which is the author's work and the other is the author. That's not helpful for navigation. Mason (talk) 00:17, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:OCEPON. Do not merge, the article about the work does not belong in a poets category. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:49, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Canadian military personnel from Kelowna[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Overcategorization by location. While a few Canadian cities do have "Military personnel from City" categories (but not "Canadian military personnel from City"), there's no comprehensive scheme in place of doing this across the board for all cities — they otherwise exist only for the major megacities with populations of half a million or more, whose base "People from City" categories were overpopulated into the hundreds or thousands and needed diffusion for size control, and not for every city across the board. But with just 67 articles in Category:Canadian military personnel from British Columbia and just six in Category:People from Kelowna, neither of the parent categories are large enough to need this for diffusability. There's no particularly unique relationship between military service and being from Kelowna per se, so this isn't needed for just three people if other Canadian cities in Kelowna's weight class (Lethbridge, Regina, Saskatoon, Thunder Bay, Sudbury, Gatineau, Sherbrooke, Moncton, etc.) don't have the same. Bearcat (talk) 14:51, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- Disagree Kelowna is the third largest locality in BC. Uncontroversial categories exist for the two largest localities (Vancouver and Victoria). It already has three entries which is often considered the criterion for a category, and is likely to gain more in the future as more biographies are created. ☆ Bri (talk) 15:11, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- Firstly, the standard minimum size for a category is normally five, not three, and even then size alone doesn't automatically trump other considerations. A category that is failing or violating other rules isn't exempted from those other rules just because you can get its size to five per se.
- Secondly, "(Canadian) military personnel" categories don't exist for either Vancouver or Victoria at all yet, so I don't know what you even think you're talking about with that argument.
- Thirdly, it's not "ordinal size rank within province" that determines whether such a category is warranted in this tree, but "is the base people-from category large enough to need diffusion or not" — which with just six people in it now and only nine even if these get upmerged to it (well, actually eight, because one of these three people is already in a different occupational subcategory as it is), Kelowna's is not. At present, these categories exist only for big cities where an undifferentiated "People from" category without occupational subcategories would be populated past the 500-article or 1,000-article marks, which is not where Kelowna is sitting, and they do not automatically exist as a matter of course for every small or medium city that had one, two or three military people come from there.
- My mistake on thinking there was a category for military personnel from Victoria and Vancouver. It is actually Category:Writers from British Columbia that includes those two cities, and now (since I created it) Kelowna. Which is a good reason to think maybe they should all be in a category, rather than ruling out Kelowna because the other two haven't been created yet.
- I could add Trevor Cadieu from Vernon, which is on the same lake as Kelowna and with city limits separated by ~10 km, possibly considered a suburb. Also since this nom, I discovered that George Randolph Pearkes served with the BC Dragoons which is a Kelowna reserve unit (Okanagan Military Museum). I don't want to change the categories of either bio right now in case this is an error and would be perceived as gaming this nom. ☆ Bri (talk) 17:24, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
- Found one more notable definitely described as "from Kelowna" by Okanagan Military Museum: Rodney Frederick Leopold Keller. ☆ Bri (talk) 17:28, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
- The smallest other city with a sibling category is both (a) four times Kelowna's size, and (b) about 80 years older than Kelowna, both adding up to the fact it has several hundred more articles in its "People from" tree than Kelowna does, and thus needs to be diffused more than Kelowna's does. Bearcat (talk) 15:16, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:30, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
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- Propose renaming Category:LGBT-related music to Category:LGBT music
- Nominator's rationale: An odd entry in Category:LGBT arts, because of the "-related" adjective not shared by any parent category (but shared by some subcategories that may need to be renamed as well). Sister categories at that level (in LGBT arts) are just LGBT dance, LGBT literature, LGBT arts organizations, LGBT theatre, and LGBT art. No "-related" anywhere there. Another option would be to rename everything to the form of 'X about Y", although I am not sure if "about LGBT" sounds best (ex. "Music about LGBT"?). For now, removing "-related" from that tree might be easiest in terms of standardization. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:31, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- Comment, I guess it is called "-related" because it also contains LGBT musicians and LGBT musical groups subcategories with artists who do not all create LGBT content. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:41, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: I would note that the category is named the way it is because CFD previously renamed it from the proposed new name to the existing one on the grounds that the music itself doesn't have its own innate sexual orientation, but is merely contextually related to the sexual orientations of people. I would further note things like Category:LGBT-related films, Category:LGBT-related television shows and Category:LGBT-related books, which are also categorized as "LGBT-related", and not just as "LGBT", for the same reason, which means there's a mixture of "LGBT" vs. "LGBT-related" among its siblings rather than this being a one-off outlier. It's a complicated question, for sure, but the reason it's named this way is because of a prior CFD discussion on it, so it's not nearly as clearcut as the nominator makes it out to be. Bearcat (talk) 15:13, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Songs against capitalism[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Songs against capitalism to Category:Songs about capitalism
- Nominator's rationale: Generally, our songs by topic categories are 'about' not 'against'. Ex. Category:Songs about poverty. This is also subcat to Category:Songs about consumerism, not Category:Songs against consumerism... Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:27, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- Lean to delete, it is quite a stretch to say that these songs are about capitalism. I found several that are just critical of modern society in general, some others about the labour movement. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:51, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- Perhaps could be saved after pruning, if anyone can indeed show a song about capitalism. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:49, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep. I can understand why one ould argue that should be deleted because of the nebulous nature, but it is pretty clear that many of these songs have lyrics that are anti-capitalist. Velociraptor888 (talk) 23:26, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
- No, it is not clear at all. It relies very much on subjective judgement. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:37, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
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- If kept, rename to Category:Songs about anti-capitalism.--User:Namiba 14:12, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Nigerian books by year[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Also delete Category:2015 Nigerian books, Category:2017 Nigerian books
Contains two subcategories, each containing only 1 article. Gjs238 (talk) 22:45, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete all per nom. There is no need to merge, because both articles are already in Category:Nigerian non-fiction books and Category:2015 books and Category:2017 books respectively. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:55, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
Transport infrastructure by decade[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Transport infrastructure completed in the 1120s to Category:Infrastructure completed in the 12th century and Category:12th century in transport
- Propose merging Category:Transport infrastructure completed in the 1170s to Category:Infrastructure completed in the 12th century and Category:12th century in transport
- Propose merging Category:Transport infrastructure completed in the 1190s to Category:Infrastructure completed in the 12th century and Category:12th century in transport
- Propose merging Category:Transport infrastructure completed in the 1230s to Category:Infrastructure completed in the 13th century and Category:13th century in transport
- Propose merging Category:Transport infrastructure completed in the 1270s to Category:Infrastructure completed in the 13th century and Category:13th century in transport
- Propose merging Category:Transport infrastructure completed in the 1310s to Category:Infrastructure completed in the 14th century and Category:14th century in transport
- Propose merging Category:Transport infrastructure completed in the 1320s to Category:Infrastructure completed in the 14th century and Category:14th century in transport
- Propose merging Category:Transport infrastructure completed in the 1390s to Category:Infrastructure completed in the 14th century and Category:14th century in transport
- Propose merging Category:Infrastructure completed in the 1120s to Category:Infrastructure completed in the 12th century
- Propose deleting Category:Infrastructure completed in the 1170s to Category:Infrastructure completed in the 12th century
- Propose merging Category:Infrastructure completed in the 1190s to Category:Infrastructure completed in the 12th century
- Propose merging Category:Infrastructure completed in the 1230s to Category:Infrastructure completed in the 13th century
- Propose merging Category:Infrastructure completed in the 1270s to Category:Infrastructure completed in the 13th century
- Propose merging Category:Infrastructure completed in the 1310s to Category:Infrastructure completed in the 14th century
- Propose merging Category:Infrastructure completed in the 1320s to Category:Infrastructure completed in the 14th century
- Propose merging Category:Infrastructure completed in the 1390s to Category:Infrastructure completed in the 14th century
- Propose merging Category:1120s in transport to Category:12th century in transport
- Propose merging Category:1170s in transport to Category:12th century in transport
- Propose merging Category:1190s in transport to Category:12th century in transport
- Propose merging Category:1230s in transport to Category:13th century in transport
- Propose merging Category:1270s in transport to Category:13th century in transport
- Propose merging Category:1310s in transport to Category:14th century in transport
- Propose merging Category:1320s in transport to Category:14th century in transport
- Propose merging Category:1390s in transport to Category:14th century in transport
- Nominator's rationale: merge, very complicated tree for only a few subcategories about bridges, canals and lighthouses. Note that this nomination is not about these bridges, canals or lighthouses subcategories, but only about intermediate container categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:18, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Congenital amputees[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Non-defining intersection between specific disability and source of the disability. Mason (talk) 23:01, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- My understanding of the categorization rules (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categorization) is that categories that are relevant are based on what criteria are considered defining. I believe that congenital amputee status is considered a meaningful category in the emic (i.e., members) of the limb difference community. E.g., https://www.amputee-coalition.org/resources/amputations-in-childhood/ . This reflects the fact that the lived experience of those with congenital vs acquired amputations is often quite different (e.g., variation in phantom limb experience, the need to actively learn how to function without a limb from birth vs learning as an adult, the use of prosthetics vs not [prosthetics are less frequently used by those with congenital limb differences]). I am aware of this through my extensive involvement with the limb difference community. It can also be observed by a read of the discussions of amputees and those with limb differences (e.g., one of many examples here: https://www.reddit.com/r/amputee/comments/zl8rdk/looking_for_insight_into_child_amputee/).
- Note also that there is a Wikipedia page for congenital amputees (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congenital_amputation) which per categorization rules is an important signal that a category is defining. Calculatedfire (talk) 23:31, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Also meant to add- there is a precedence set for amputee categories based on the current categories presented (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Amputees). Certainly congenital amputees is just as or probably notably recognized as per current Wikipedia guidelines (e.g., having its own Wikipedia page) than other categories (e.g., there is no page German amputees; "Works about Amputees" is certainly not a defining characteristic of much of the included media. This is not to say that these other categories should be removed, but rather, to show that congenital meets the required threshold of defining. Calculatedfire (talk) 23:34, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. I think you'll be able to make a more compelling case if you review WP:EGRS/D which gives clearer rules for intersections with disability and other characteristics (gender, race, sexuality etc). Could you show me where having a wikipedia page about a condition means that "per categorization rules is an important signal that a category is defining"? Because I don't think that is sufficient to have a wikipedia page to ensure that it could be a category. Mason (talk) 03:42, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
- Lean to oppose, I may be mistaken but at first glance I don't think there is a trivial intersection at stake. Congenital amputation is being born without a limb, which is a "thing" in itself. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:53, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
- But is it defining for individuals? I'm open to having my mind changed, but I don't think people tend to have the lead of the article stating that they are a congenital amputee. If anything, the leads will be about amputees who acquired their disability through a headline grabbing fashion. Now, I'm well aware that there is literature on differences between acquired and congenital disabilities, and that has implications for interventions as well as well-being.
- However, I still don't think that "reliable sources [...] regularly describe the person as having th[e] characteristic". Fuller quote from Wikipedia:EGRS/D
- >"People with disabilities, intersex conditions, and other medical or psychological states or conditions, should not be added to subcategories of Category:People with disabilities, Category:Intersex people or Category:People by medical or psychological condition unless that condition is considered WP:DEFINING for that individual. For example, there may be people who have amnesia, but if reliable sources don't regularly describe the person as having that characteristic, they should not be added to the category."
- Mason (talk) 03:45, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
- Hi, here I did some more research:
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categorizing_articles_about_people under "Specific Intersections":
- "At all times, the bottom line remains can a valid, encyclopedic main article be written for this grouping?"
- There is a main article on this subject as I noted in my original response.
- Thank you as I am learning to navigate this process. Calculatedfire (talk) 01:09, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
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- Oppose as constituted, though open to other alternatives if somebody's got a better idea. The distinction obviously hasn't been upheld all that well in the past, but today there is greater recognition than there used to be that there is a qualitative difference between being born with a congenital limb difference and the later loss due to injury or disease of a limb one previously had. It is, for example, one of the reasons why we moved Category:Amputee sportspeople to Category:Sportspeople with limb difference about a year and a half ago, so that the terminology was more inclusive. Medical literature is stricter on the distinction now than it used to be, referring to congenital limb difference rather than congenital amputation; people with congenital limb differences are more outspoken about the differences; even media try harder now to recognize and respect the distinction (even if they're not always perfect); and on and so forth. So really, we should either allow the category system to uphold the distinction, or pick an alternative term like "people with limb difference", instead of continuing to use "amputees", if consensus really wants to collapse it. Bearcat (talk) 23:52, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Buildings Downtown Portland, Oregon[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: --Another Believer (Talk) 14:06, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- Hi. It's the "Downtown" that distinguishes this category. Portland is a major city with many distinct neighborhoods. It would be helpful to look up buildings by neighborhood, rather than lumping every building in the city together. Thanks. Pickwiki (talk) 15:44, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Pickwiki: If you're going to create subcategories, then I'd suggest Category:Buildings and structures in North Portland, Oregon, Category:Buildings and structures in Northeast Portland, Oregon, Category:Buildings and structures in Northwest Portland, Oregon, Category:Buildings and structures in South Portland, Oregon, Category:Buildings and structures in Southeast Portland, Oregon, and Category:Buildings and structures in Southwest Portland, Oregon, based on Category:North Portland, Oregon, Category:Northeast Portland, Oregon, Category:Northwest Portland, Oregon, Category:South Portland, Oregon, Category:Southeast Portland, Oregon, and Category:Southwest Portland, Oregon. --Another Believer (Talk) 22:21, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Hi. It's the "Downtown" that distinguishes this category. Portland is a major city with many distinct neighborhoods. It would be helpful to look up buildings by neighborhood, rather than lumping every building in the city together. Thanks. Pickwiki (talk) 15:44, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- If kept, rename to Category:Buildings and structures in Downtown Portland, Oregon. No opinion on whether than warrants a category. * Pppery * it has begun... 16:47, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Pppery I've proposed a different way to subcategorize above, if you are interested in revisiting this discussion. ---Another Believer (Talk) 22:22, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge, no other neighborhoods in Portland have their own subcategory while that would be more interesting. It is too obvious that many notable buildings are in downtown. If not merged, rename to Category:Buildings and structures in Downtown Portland, Oregon for better grammar. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:52, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:G13 eligible AfC submissions[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Technically all G13 eligible AfC submissions are candidates for speedy deletion as abandoned drafts or AfC submissions. I see little reason to isolate this category since the latter category will give a larger list for users to find a draft and update so it does not meet G13. Aasim - Herrscher of Wikis ❄️ 15:25, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
- Support
William Allen Simpson (talk) 15:31, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
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May 11[edit]
Category:MSI nettops[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Only one article in category. Upmerge to relevant categories. Gonnym (talk) 20:53, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge to both parent categories, per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:14, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Rihard Jakopič[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Delete for now: This eponymous category only has the artist and a pavilion that is named after them. Such a category, with two pages is unhelpful for navigation. Mason (talk) 20:50, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep for now: categories like redirects are WP:CHEAP. Maybe the category will be populated in the future. Do you see no prospect for expansion of this right now unhelpful category? Awesome Aasim 21:21, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Jakopič is well known artist in Slovenia and in future the category will likely contain Slovenian streets named after him. Category is useful to me. A09|(talk) 12:20, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- Articles about streets named after an artist do not belong in a category anyway, as these articles do not provide any information about the artist. The streets may be listed in the article about the artist though. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:01, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:OCEPON, and the two articles are already directly interlinked. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:16, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I don't object to deletion of this category. It only contains two articles besides the eponymous one. If there are more articles created on the artist about some of his paintings (which are notable but I don't expect it will happen right away), the category may be recreated. Thanks for the notification. --TadejM my talk 22:10, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Coaches Kerala Cricket Team 2023[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: One-entry category for a non-defining characteristic. We do not exhaustively subcategorize cricket coaches for the individual year they worked, particularly given that sports teams normally only have one coach at any given time, and thus each category would have only one entry (or perhaps two if a coach got fired and replaced partway through the season, but never, ever enough to actually surpass minimum size requirements for categories). And even if this category were justified, this wouldn't be its correct name anyway. Bearcat (talk) 19:51, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. It is not even mentioned in the article. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:18, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Category is empty. Liz Read! Talk! 16:32, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Cartoonists by country templates[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Only contains 1 template which is already within Category:Comics creator navigational boxes. – Fayenatic London 21:00, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
- If not deleted, then rename to Category:Cartoonists templates which could also hold Template:Underground comix cartoonists, Template:Cartoonists from Kerala, Template:Cartoonist-stub and its 3 related national templates, and Template:Seth (cartoonist). These are the only templates with cartoonist in the name, although there may be other navboxes for comics creators who are more specifically cartoonists. – Fayenatic London 21:00, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
- Renaming and populating isn't a bad idea at all. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:14, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
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Category:United States National Recording Registry albums[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: The same rationale as last time: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 April 28#Category:United States National Recording Registry albums. I still see no reason for this category to be active and it is still redudant to Category:United States National Recording Registry recordings. Even if all the album articles were listed under the United States National Recording Registry albums category, that would just leave songs and other miscellaneous records under the United States National Recording Registry recordings category. It is really a crime to have all the inducted recordings under one category? QuasyBoy (talk) 18:18, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
- If not kept, at least merge to Category:United States National Recording Registry recordings rather than delete. Nominator does not make clear what is wrong with Category:United States National Recording Registry albums though. It is not redundant per se, it is simply more specific. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:19, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
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- Weak keep, otherwise upmerge per Marcocapelle. Like all participants in these two CfDs, I'm not clear what the issue is. Not all recordings are albums, so there isn't an obvious redundancy here. But like the sole participant in the previous CfD, I'm not sure if these really make sense as categories rather than a list. -- Visviva (talk) 02:13, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Former universities and colleges of Jesuits[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: The current name is not only awkward and not parallel to the name of the related category for current Jesuit institutions ("Jesuit universities and colleges") but its meaning is also unclear. ElKevbo (talk) 18:44, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
- If someone has a (legitimate) concern that "Former Jesuit" is also ambiguous - does it mean "a university or college that was once a Jesuit institution but is no longer a Jesuit institution" or "a Jesuit university or college that is now closed" ? - then "Formerly Jesuit universities and colleges" would resolve that ambiguity. The category does currently include institutions in both of those situations so this may be important. ElKevbo (talk) 20:00, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
- It is ambiguous in any case and the distinction between current and former Jesuit is also not enormously important. Manually merge to Category:Jesuit universities and colleges insofar the articles aren't already in country subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:27, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: Can you please say more about "the distinction between current and former Jesuit is also not enormously important." In my mind, it's a very important distinction as it indicates a very important shift in the institution's mission, organization, and support. ElKevbo (talk) 03:43, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- Every university or college will eventually be closed or taken over. The category is primarily useful to learn about the history of the Jesuits. Category:Universities and colleges established by Jesuits would be a better name except it is rather long. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:15, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- That's an entirely different subject and you're welcome to establish that category if you feel strongly about it but it doesn't seem terribly relevant to the discussion at hand. And I completely disagree that "the category is primarily useful to learn about the history of the Jesuits" as its primary use is to identify colleges and universities who are identified with that particular religious order. It's less about the history of that order and more about the intended function and role of these colleges and universities.
- "Every university or college will eventually be closed or taken over" doesn't seem like a very helpful or productive perspective at all. Every religion will eventually fade into disuse or change until it's unrecognizable. The sun will eventually explore destroying all life and structure on the planet. The universe will eventually fade into heat death. None of that is very useful when considering what we should or should not do here and now in this encyclopedia. ElKevbo (talk) 15:50, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: Can you please say more about "the distinction between current and former Jesuit is also not enormously important." In my mind, it's a very important distinction as it indicates a very important shift in the institution's mission, organization, and support. ElKevbo (talk) 03:43, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:People of South Asian descent[edit]
- Propose merging Category:People of South Asian descent to Category:People of Asian descent
- Propose merging Category:American people of South Asian descent to Category:American people of Asian descent
- Propose merging Category:Australian people of South Asian descent to Category:Australian people of Asian descent
- Propose merging Category:British people of South Asian descent to Category:British people of Asian descent
- Propose merging Category:Canadian people of South Asian descent to Category:Canadian people of Asian descent
- Propose merging Category:Chinese people of South Asian descent to Category:Chinese people of Asian descent
- Propose merging Category:Emirati people of South Asian descent to Category:Emirati people of Asian descent
- Propose merging Category:Filipino people of South Asian descent to Category:Filipino people of Asian descent
- Propose merging Category:Hong Kong people of South Asian descent to Category:Hong Kong people of Asian descent
- Propose merging Category:Indian people of South Asian descent to Category:Indian people of Asian descent
- Propose merging Category:Iraqi people of South Asian descent to Category:Iraqi people of Asian descent
- Propose merging Category:Israeli people of South Asian descent to Category:Israeli people of Asian descent
- Propose merging Category:Japanese people of South Asian descent to Category:Japanese people of Asian descent
- Propose merging Category:Kenyan people of South Asian descent to Category:Kenyan people of Asian descent
- Propose merging Category:Kuwaiti people of South Asian descent to Category:Kuwaiti people of Asian descent
- Propose merging Category:Lebanese people of South Asian descent to Category:Lebanese people of Asian descent
- Propose merging Category:Malaysian people of South Asian descent to Category:Malaysian people of Asian descent
- Propose merging Category:New Zealand people of South Asian descent to Category:New Zealand people of Asian descent
- Propose merging Category:Nigerian people of South Asian descent to Category:Nigerian people of Asian descent
- Propose merging Category:Omani people of South Asian descent to Category:Omani people of Asian descent
- Propose merging Category:Pakistani people of South Asian descent to Category:Pakistani people of Asian descent
- Propose merging Category:Qatari people of South Asian descent to Category:Qatari people of Asian descent
- Propose merging Category:Russian people of South Asian descent to Category:Russian people of Asian descent
- Propose merging Category:Saudi Arabian people of South Asian descent to Category:Saudi Arabian people of Asian descent
- Propose merging Category:Singaporean people of South Asian descent to Category:Singaporean people of Asian descent
- Propose merging Category:South African people of South Asian descent to Category:South African people of Asian descent
- Propose merging Category:Thai people of South Asian descent to Category:Thai people of Asian descent
- Propose merging Category:Turkish people of South Asian descent to Category:Turkish people of Asian descent
- Nominator's rationale: The boundaries of South Asia are not well-defined. Beyond the central regions of the Indian Empire, there is significant inconsistency in which additional countries are considered part of South Asia. Clear demarcations—whether geographical, geopolitical, socio-cultural, economic, or historical—between South Asia and other Asian regions are lacking. Aldij (talk) 16:05, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
- Strong oppose: Asia is a huge continent. I see this as creating more confusion when making categories than having them separate. The geographical boundaries can be debated but it does not change that some reliable sources including sources close to the author refer to the subject as of "South Asian" descent. Awesome Aasim 21:23, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment, in the history tree for before 1947, the term "India" is mostly used to encompass the current territory of India, Pakistan and Bangladesh. "South Asia" might be a better alternative than "India". Marcocapelle (talk) 03:32, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. Regardless of the variability in definition of "South Asia" in the real world, Wikipedia has solved the problem for its own purposes. We have numerous articles and categories relating to "South Asia". The 8 countries we include are listed at South Asia. It is untrue that we lack a clear demarcation. To help with the issue of users not being aware of which countries are covered, we could copy and paste the list of 8 countries into the top of each category listed above. If there is a valid rationale for merging, it's not the one presented above. Nurg (talk) 09:07, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- Wikipedia intends to follow the real world, not to set its own standards. Of these 8 countries, Afghanistan is very questionable as it is often counted as part of Central Asia, but the other 7 are ok. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:23, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- I don't have an opinion on whether Afghanistan should remain in South Asia or be moved to Central Asia. "Wikipedia has solved the problem for its own purposes" for now. It can change to a different definition of 'South Asia', but that's a separate debate and I probably wouldn't be interested enough in it to participate. But the nominator's rationale that the boundaries of South Asia are not well-defined is not true for our purposes. We have a very clear definition, albeit it is not immutable. Nurg (talk) 01:48, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose unless this is a proposal to upmerge all intermediate regional categories into Fooian people of Asian descent categories, for consistency. --Paul_012 (talk) 09:18, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Carib people[edit]
- Propose deleting Category:Carib people
- Propose deleting Category:British people of Carib descent
- Propose deleting Category:Dominica people of Carib descent
- Propose deleting Category:French people of Carib descent
- Propose deleting Category:Trinidad and Tobago people of Carib descent
- Propose deleting Category:Venezuelan people of Carib descent
- Nominator's rationale The term "Carib" is ambiguous as it can be used to refer to either the Kalinago (Island Caribs) or the Kalina (Mainland Caribs). Despite both being commonly called "Caribs", the Kalinago and the Kalina are different peoples with different languages and cultures. There isn't a single "Carib" group encompassing both the Kalina and Kalinago. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 13:55, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
- The problem is clear, but is deletion the best solution? What about splitting to Kalinago and Kalina? Marcocapelle (talk) 04:26, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:20th-century Algerian photographers[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Dual upmerge for now. This category is only has one person in it and doesn't help navigation. Mason (talk) 04:50, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
- Single merge to Category:20th-century photographers, the article is about someone who spent his childhood in Algeria but as a photographer he was not related to Algeria. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:39, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Students in Mauritius[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Student protests in Mauritius to Category:Student protests in Africa and Category:Protests in Mauritius
- Propose deleting Category:Students in Mauritius (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one page in this category, which is unhelpful for navigation. Mason (talk) 01:54, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:49, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
May 10[edit]
Category:Random Pages Tests[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Random Pages Tests to Category:Random pages tests
- Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary Capitalization; Consistency With Wikipedia:Random pages test Queen of Hearts (talk) 23:49, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:50, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Drakengard[edit]
- Propose splitting Category:Drakengard to Category:Drakengard and Category:Nier
- Nominator's rationale: There seems to be enough articles for a split, with 11 going to Nier and 7 going to Drakengard. Bringing to CFD as I am uncertain in this split, and with Nier not having a series article yet. Category:Nier would also likely be a subcategory of Category:Drakengard. (Oinkers42) (talk) 22:32, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Drakengard still concerns both series and is solely titled "Drakengard". If it is split off into a Nier series article I'd have no qualms with this, but it's putting the cart before the horse. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 04:23, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- I do not think a series article needs to be created before a category is created. (Oinkers42) (talk) 18:29, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Rhino Records albums[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Rhino Records albums to Category:Rhino Entertainment albums
- Propose merging Category:Rhino Records compilation albums to Category:Rhino Entertainment compilation albums
- Propose merging Category:Rhino Records live albums to Category:Rhino Entertainment live albums
- Propose merging Category:Rhino Records soundtracks to Category:Rhino Entertainment soundtracks
- Propose merging Category:Rhino Records video albums to Category:Rhino Entertainment video albums
- Propose merging Category:Rhino Records EPs to Category:Rhino Entertainment EPs
- Propose merging Category:Rhino Records singles to Category:Rhino Entertainment singles
- Propose renaming Category:Rhino Records artists to Category:Rhino Entertainment artists
- Propose renaming Category:Rhino Records Christmas albums to Category:Rhino Entertainment Christmas albums
- Propose renaming Category:Rhino Records remix albums to Category:Rhino Entertainment remix albums
- Nominator's rationale: Rhino Records was renamed to Rhino Entertainment. Same company shouldn't have separate categories. Add all three renames to Category:Rhino Entertainment. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 20:16, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Gruppo API[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Category contains 1 eponymous article and 1 redirect, which is targeted to the same eponymous article. Gjs238 (talk) 20:11, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:42, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Non-denominational[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: WP:OC/U#not-based * Pppery * it has begun... 18:19, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:52, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Also, just seems vague and pointless. --DanielRigal (talk) 02:01, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- It's a user category so should probably be Category:Non-denominational Wikipedians, but this is only WP:OC/U#not-based in the same way that some of the categories in Category:LGBT+ Wikipedians are. At Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 21#Category:Wikipedians who reject a sexual preference label a similar category was renamed, not deleted. Peter James (talk) 10:09, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- Wikipedians who do not belong to a denomination can add themselves to Category:Christian Wikipedians or Category:Protestant Wikipedians. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:28, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Protestant Wikipedians and its subcategories could be merged to Category:Christian Wikipedians. And if any category with a "non-" or "a-" prefix is a "not" category and should be deleted, the redirect Transdenominational could be used. Peter James (talk) 19:48, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- It is not about the name, it is about the fact that Non-denominational is not a denomination. There are over 2000 other Wikipedians in Category:Christian Wikipedians who did not specify a denomination.Marcocapelle (talk) 05:06, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- Only in the way that agnosticism is not a religion, non-binary is not a gender, and rejection of a sexual orientation label is not a sexual orientation. There is a difference between not specifying something and rejecting or not identifying with it (also non-denominational is not specific to Christianity). However, as the only editor in this category has been blocked, I no longer oppose deletion. Peter James (talk) 12:03, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- It is not about the name, it is about the fact that Non-denominational is not a denomination. There are over 2000 other Wikipedians in Category:Christian Wikipedians who did not specify a denomination.Marcocapelle (talk) 05:06, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- Wikipedians who do not belong to a denomination can add themselves to Category:Christian Wikipedians or Category:Protestant Wikipedians. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:28, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Pointless category. HarukaAmaranth 春香 07:47, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:People educated at Alcester Grammar School[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Superseded by the list at Alcester Grammar School#Notable alumni, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk 15:45, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose: a list on a single article is no reason to reject a category accomplishing the same task in a different area of the site. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 20:36, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- Why would we want duplicating information though ?, Why do we need an under-populated category when a list within an article does the same job ?, Also do you have any sort of link that explicitly states duplicating information is fine because if you do I'd happily close this. –Davey2010Talk 00:16, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose: a list on a single article is no reason to reject a category accomplishing the same task in a different area of the site. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 20:36, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- Lean to delete, attandence of a particular secondary school is not a very defining characteristic of an individual person. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:51, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
- There are thousands of such categories. Deleting one makes no sense. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:53, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - Wikipedia:Categories, lists, and navigation templates#Overlapping categories, lists and navigation templates are not considered duplicative. There are thousands of these in Category:Alumni by secondary school. If they are not defining then all should be deleted. Peter James (talk) 20:04, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- I guess this is one of things I will never understand, How is a duplicate category "complimentary" when it's literally a duplicate??, Why do we need 2 things of the same thing ?, what is achieved or what is the end goal in having 2 of the same thing ?, I don't get it I truly don't.
- Nonetheless Wikipedia:Categories, lists, and navigation templates#Overlapping categories, lists and navigation templates are not considered duplicative renders my whole arguement moot so I guess my only option here is to withdraw, Thank you for providing that guideline it's greatly appreciated, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk 10:01, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Categories are not superseded by lists. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:53, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:People educated at De La Salle College Dundalk[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Superseded by the same list at De La Salle College Dundalk#Notable alumni, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk 15:19, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose: a list on a single article is no reason to reject a category accomplishing the same task in a different area of the site. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 20:36, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- Why would we want duplicating information though ?, Why do we need an under-populated category when a list within an article does the same job ?, Also do you have any sort of link that explicitly states duplicating information is fine because if you do I'd happily close this. –Davey2010Talk 00:16, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose: a list on a single article is no reason to reject a category accomplishing the same task in a different area of the site. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 20:36, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- Lean to delete, attandence of a particular secondary school is not a very defining characteristic of an individual person. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:52, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
- Please see my reply to Peter James here, I guess this can be withdrawn although for the record I'm not happy about it nor do I see a point to having duplicate information... But if EN wants duplicate information for the sake of having duplicate information then who am I to get in the way of that. –Davey2010Talk 10:05, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Categories are not superseded by lists. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:54, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:People educated at Coláiste an Phiarsaigh[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Unneeded category - Only 2 entries which I've added to the school article, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk 15:09, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose: a list on a single article is no reason to reject a category accomplishing the same task in a different area of the site. Plus, there are now twice as many entries as there were at time of proposal. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 20:38, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- Why would we want duplicating information though ?, Why do we need an under-populated category when a list within an article does the same job ?, Also do you have any sort of link that explicitly states duplicating information is fine because if you do I'd happily close this. –Davey2010Talk 00:16, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose: a list on a single article is no reason to reject a category accomplishing the same task in a different area of the site. Plus, there are now twice as many entries as there were at time of proposal. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 20:38, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- Lean to delete, attandence of a particular secondary school is not a very defining characteristic of an individual person. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:52, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
- Please see my reply to Peter James here, I guess this can be withdrawn although for the record I'm not happy about it nor do I see a point to having duplicate information... But if EN wants duplicate information for the sake of having duplicate information then who am I to get in the way of that. –Davey2010Talk 10:05, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Categories are not superseded by lists. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:54, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Nance Family[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Only three entries and no others to add. Not necessary to have a family category when this is the most there will ever be in it. SportsGuy789 (talk) 04:41, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, the articles are already directly interlinked in the body text of the articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:56, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:14th-century French Sephardi Jews[edit]
- Propose merging Category:14th-century French Sephardi Jews to Category:French Sephardi Jews and Category:14th-century French Jews and Category:14th-century Sephardi Jews
- Propose merging Category:13th-century French Sephardi Jews to Category:French Sephardi Jews and Category:13th-century French Jews and Category:13th-century Sephardi Jews
- Nominator's rationale: 3x upmerge for now. It's not helpful for navigation to diffuse 14th/13th century sephardi jews by nationality when theres only one or two people in the category Mason (talk) 01:07, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- Just delete, one article is about a Jew who wasn't of Spanish origin, the other about an ex-Jew who wasn't French. Generally the concept of French Sephardi Jews does not make much sense before 1492 (Alhambra Decree). Marcocapelle (talk) 03:52, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Rebel princes[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Rebel princes to Category:Princely rebellions
- Alt proposal: split Category:Rebel princes into (A) Category:Rebel princes and (B) Category:Princely rebellions
- Nominator's rationale: WP:C2D: main article princely rebellion. NLeeuw (talk) 22:48, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Alt proposal rationale by Marcocapelle (opposed speedy rename): this is a category of princes, not so much of rebellions. Perhaps split. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:31, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Beauty pageant contestants from Lagos[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Non-notable intersection User:Namiba 19:29, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Manually merge, insofar they aren't already deeper down in the tree of Category:Nigerian beauty pageant contestants. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:00, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:American Splendor artists[edit]
- Convert Category:American Splendor artists to article American Splendor
- Nominator's rationale: There is no scheme of Category:Artists by comic title or some such and this is analogous to WP:PERFCAT. Just make sure they are all listed (with citations) at the article on the comic. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 06:10, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
- Seems to me that this is a useful category as it includes people not usually associated with their artwork, such as Alan Moore and Joyce Brabner. American Splendor was a unique title in many ways, given it was written by a single person but with dozens of different artists; it seems fitting that it merits a relatively unique category.
- As a compromise, what if the category was just converted to "Category: American Splendor", not specifying artists? stoshmaster (talk) 17:05, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
- If artists are purged the category will become empty. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:40, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
- What I meant was convert this category simply to "American Splendor" and it will house all things related to American Splendor, including the writers, artists, the film, and all related books (if they have separate articles) stoshmaster (talk) 20:35, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
- That would not solve anything. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:02, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- What I meant was convert this category simply to "American Splendor" and it will house all things related to American Splendor, including the writers, artists, the film, and all related books (if they have separate articles) stoshmaster (talk) 20:35, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
- If artists are purged the category will become empty. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:40, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
- It is not a defining characteristic of the subjects in this category. Moving this to article space is a good compromise between instant deletion and keeping. As a preliminary measure the category content may be copied to Talk:American Splendor before the category is deleted. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:40, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 16:47, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Third-person view[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Third-person view to Category:Third-person video games
- Nominator's rationale: I've created this one few minutes ago, but maybe the name should be analogous to Category:First-person video games? Consider the existence of Category:First-person shooters and Category:Third-person shooters, with only the first having a parent category outside shooter games (until my creation). Both have main articles. However, third-person view has a redirect to an article section, while first-person view goes to a disambig, sigh. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 10:28, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Piotrus: what other content are you planning to add to this category? That will provide the answer to the question. If topic articles are going to be added then "view" seems the right name. If only video games are going to be added then "video games" is the obvious right name. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:29, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 17:10, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Piotrus: I guess you missed my previous ping. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:05, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle Right now I am not sure what else to add to this category. Which is why I think renaming it to be analogues to Category:First-person video games, as I suggested, is more correct than my initial name. Do you have any thoughts on this? Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 01:27, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
- If there isn't anything going to be added on a short term then the category might as well be deleted, because of lack of content. It can be recreated when it is more clear what sort of content there is. Marcocapelle (talk) 02:19, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 16:41, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete for now without prejudice per Marcocapelle. I can't think of anything else to add either. There are lots of other games that are third person, but that is either WP:NONDEFINING because virtually no other game of that genre (say, RPG, survival, puzzles etc.), uses first-person view, uses bird's eye view or isometric view (e.g. RTS games), or you can switch between first and third person (sometimes even second person). "Third-person shooter" is the only commonly used term in video gaming that I know of. NLeeuw (talk) 23:01, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Armenian screenwriters by century[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Armenian screenwriters by century to Category:Armenian screenwriters
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one category in here, which isn't helpful for navigation. (Even if a 2nd category were made, it still wouldn't be helpful as this is the only category in the in parent) Mason (talk) 20:08, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. By the way the subcategory covers the century that is probably the least interesting to people who study history of literature. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:26, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. The problem here is that Category:21st-century Armenian screenwriters is using the standardized {{Screenwriters by nationality and century category header}} framework — but that template autogenerates an artificially-transcluded "[Country-named-in-this-category] screenwriters by century" as a standard part of its formatting. But that can't be left to sit there redlinked, so either it has to exist regardless of any size issues, or we have to wrap the template in {{suppress categories}} to bork its category generation and then manually file Category:21st-century Armenian screenwriters in the other categories that still exist. But that would defeat the entire purpose of using the standardized template in the first place, and would have the side-effect of stranding that category from the Category:Screenwriters by nationality and century tree.
I'm not at all wedded to this being essential, and have personally wrapped many category-generating templates in the suppress categories wrapper when necessary, but just wanted to point out that there are "standardized formatting" considerations here beyond size.
Really, it's more a question of whether Category:Armenian screenwriters need any by-century categorization yet — with only six people in the 21st-century category and only 20 in the parent, it's not clear that subbing them out for century is needed at all — but if the 21st-century category does exist, then this is automatically imposed and transcluded by the template as a standard and expected parent for it, so the question is really less about the need for this than it is the need for a 21st-century category to exist at all. Bearcat (talk) 15:05, 3 May 2024 (UTC)- @Bearcat, I'm not sure how the this comment is relevant to the nomination at hand. And, for the record, it isn't the case the FOOian occupation by century needs to exist. That category is only added if it exists, otherwise, the category is added to FOOian screenwriters. Mason (talk) 19:43, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- As a person who works regularly with cleaning up redlinked categories at Special:WantedCategories, I have to deal with new redlinked categories autogenerated by occupation header templates of this type all the phunking time. So just telling me that they suppress redlinks isn't convincing when I routinely see hard evidence that they don't. Bearcat (talk) 13:45, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Do you have examples of this that are recent (like since April 6th)? Because each time there's been an red link, I've added a fix to address it [1]. The present code exclusively uses resolve category redirects and checks if the category exists before it adds it. If you have evidence to the contrary, I would really like to see it so that I can figure out what is not working as intended. Mason (talk) 20:05, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- As a person who works regularly with cleaning up redlinked categories at Special:WantedCategories, I have to deal with new redlinked categories autogenerated by occupation header templates of this type all the phunking time. So just telling me that they suppress redlinks isn't convincing when I routinely see hard evidence that they don't. Bearcat (talk) 13:45, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Bearcat, I'm not sure how the this comment is relevant to the nomination at hand. And, for the record, it isn't the case the FOOian occupation by century needs to exist. That category is only added if it exists, otherwise, the category is added to FOOian screenwriters. Mason (talk) 19:43, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 16:40, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Nigerian gay writers[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Nigerian gay writers to Category:Nigerian LGBT writers
- Propose merging Category:Nigerian lesbian writers to Category:Nigerian LGBT writers
- Nominator's rationale: Only 1 or 2 articles, too small to aid navigation. All are already in the appropriate sub-categories. User:Namiba 15:53, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Dual merge, also to Category:Nigerian gay men and Category:Nigerian lesbians respectively. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:06, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Populated places on the Underground Railroad[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Specific buildings which served as stations on the Underground Railroad are absolutely defined by it but an entire town, city or county is usually not. In some cases, certain locales like New Bedford, Massachusetts were such hubs of the Underground Railroad that they should be kept in the main category but that can be done on a case by case basis. User:Namiba 15:30, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:07, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- keep These are historically related places. They were certainly defining for these places during the historical period involved here: 1840s and 1850s in the United States. These illegal activities were something that many people in a place were at least silently aware of and did not bring to the attention of law enforcement. In many cases, the articles do not point to a specific building(s) so there is no use in thinking that will keep tying these together, as they should be. Hmains (talk) 18:51, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Is it defining though? In most cases, no. Neither Portland, Maine nor most other cities are not defined by the fact that they had a stop in the Underground Railroad. For cities which are defined as such, they can and should be categorized within the tree. If you can show otherwise, I will withdraw the nomination.--User:Namiba 17:07, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
Caribbean people by descent[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Aruban people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Aruban people by descent
- Propose renaming Category:Curaçao people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Curaçao people by descent
- Propose renaming Category:Sint Maarten people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Sint Maarten people by descent
- Propose renaming Category:United States Virgin Islands people by ethnic or national origin to Category:United States Virgin Islands people by descent
- Propose renaming Category:Caribbean people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Caribbean people by descent
- Nominator's rationale: rename for consistency with their subcategories which are all "by descent", as well as for consistency with Category:North American people by descent at the top of the tree. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:09, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. NLeeuw (talk) 08:26, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 05:52, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Extinct Indigenous peoples of Australia[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: no accurate reliable sources to verify such a classification, even the category descroption says "This category is not necessarily indicative of total loss of population, traditions, language or culture - each specific case may have particular individual contexts" that its unable to be clearerly define or even confirm that the launguage, culture, people, knowledge, country is actually extinct Wikipedia should not be categorising as such. Gnangarra 13:56, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. Gnangarra 09:46, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Gnangarra The category description can be changed. If articles can use past tense words like "were" and "was" in reference to a tribe, I'm not seeing why the word "extinct" is out of question. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 18:47, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- The thing is the issue of using the "tribes" to decsribe Indigenous Countries, Cultures and People in Australia is inaccurate at best racist at worst. The term itself implies a lot of colonial misinformation and a distinct lack of understanding of Indigenous Cutlures in Australia. The use of past tense in words like were or was is also not an indicator of the Indigenous Countries, cultures, languages or peoples continuation. Very specifically by calling a Country extinct that frees the restriction of cultural protocols applying when working on with Indugenous Cultural materials. All countries are still in existance and are represented through Land Councils who manage everything from protocols on entering a country, to land rights. My reasoning is not playing words games its saying that the assumption of being extinct is a misnomer, even in languages and cultures where a recent Language conference in Queensland a professor was luaghed off stage when he stated that a language was extinct yet multiple people stood up and spoke the language. Without rocksolid gold plate sources published within the last 4 years the label of extinct is a false narrative derived from the recent history wars, and anti landrights campaigners. The other issue we have is the Australian Bureau of Statistics problematic collection of reliable data as it records just one language spoken not all In the context of the Census, 'Indigenous' or 'First Nations' results are defined by respondents who have answered that they are of Aboriginal and/or Torres Strait Islander background. There are over 230 Australian Indigenous Languages that the Census records which is less than the actual number of Indigenous languages.[2]. Gnangarra 09:41, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- Well, the use of "tribe" isn't my decision. It is used for many articles about Aboriginal Australian groups, so that seems to perhaps be a wider issue worth fixing. What is the continuation of a group like the Toogee? What is the relevant land council? Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 07:18, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- Tribe is not used in Australia, the poor use of terms in Wikipedia articles is one of the many barriers people working with Indigenous cultures struggle to address as shows Wikipedia in a bad light and not respectful of the culture. Basically ticks all the racists, Inforwar, challenge faced out on the street its up to us to lift our standards. Gnangarra 12:47, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- Well, the use of "tribe" isn't my decision. It is used for many articles about Aboriginal Australian groups, so that seems to perhaps be a wider issue worth fixing. What is the continuation of a group like the Toogee? What is the relevant land council? Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 07:18, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- The thing is the issue of using the "tribes" to decsribe Indigenous Countries, Cultures and People in Australia is inaccurate at best racist at worst. The term itself implies a lot of colonial misinformation and a distinct lack of understanding of Indigenous Cutlures in Australia. The use of past tense in words like were or was is also not an indicator of the Indigenous Countries, cultures, languages or peoples continuation. Very specifically by calling a Country extinct that frees the restriction of cultural protocols applying when working on with Indugenous Cultural materials. All countries are still in existance and are represented through Land Councils who manage everything from protocols on entering a country, to land rights. My reasoning is not playing words games its saying that the assumption of being extinct is a misnomer, even in languages and cultures where a recent Language conference in Queensland a professor was luaghed off stage when he stated that a language was extinct yet multiple people stood up and spoke the language. Without rocksolid gold plate sources published within the last 4 years the label of extinct is a false narrative derived from the recent history wars, and anti landrights campaigners. The other issue we have is the Australian Bureau of Statistics problematic collection of reliable data as it records just one language spoken not all In the context of the Census, 'Indigenous' or 'First Nations' results are defined by respondents who have answered that they are of Aboriginal and/or Torres Strait Islander background. There are over 230 Australian Indigenous Languages that the Census records which is less than the actual number of Indigenous languages.[2]. Gnangarra 09:41, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Gnangarra The category description can be changed. If articles can use past tense words like "were" and "was" in reference to a tribe, I'm not seeing why the word "extinct" is out of question. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 18:47, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment, it is questionable if ethnic groups become extinct at all. A language may become extinct for sure, but ethnic groups mostly dissolve in other ethnic groups. - But this comment applies to the whole tree of Category:Extinct ethnic groups. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:24, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle Aren't we talking about cultural extinction? Are you defining extinction as the literal death of all group members without any descendants? That seems like an unorthodox interpretation. The Susquehannock people are extinct as a tribe, despite having some descendants in the Seneca-Cayuga Nation. I don't see any contradiction here. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 18:41, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Frustratingly, the term "extinct" seems to be used somewhat inconsistently for both cultural extinction and the death of all group members (at least, from a google search). Is there a better term we could use to distinguish the two? Category:Extinct ethnic groups is currently a subcategory under Category:Human extinction which implies the latter, so perhaps it should be renamed and/or categorized differently if most of the members are groups that are only culturally extinct. Psychastes (talk) 19:34, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Seneca-Cayuga Nation is not an Indigenous Country in Australia, you are making comparisons that are not like for like. Gnangarra 09:44, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- And? I'm addressing Marcocapelle's statement about the broader category tree. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 04:39, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle Aren't we talking about cultural extinction? Are you defining extinction as the literal death of all group members without any descendants? That seems like an unorthodox interpretation. The Susquehannock people are extinct as a tribe, despite having some descendants in the Seneca-Cayuga Nation. I don't see any contradiction here. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 18:41, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment If not an outright deletion then certainly a renaming to be more clear would seem to be a good idea.★Trekker (talk) 20:30, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- What would you propose and why? Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 04:37, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Genocide happens. Wishful thinking doesn't change that. "Extinct" is a harsh and ugly word to apply to people; it's natural to recoil in disgust at the idea. It may be very appealing to think that a group "didn't really go extinct" because some of their descendants blended into other groups. But if the group no longer exists as a distinct people with a distinct culture and language, the group really is extinct. Perhaps something like Category:Former Indigenous peoples would be less noxious to the moral sense of the reader. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 04:36, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
Genocide happens
— In particular Genocide of Indigenous Australians. Mitch Ames (talk) 04:57, 12 May 2024 (UTC)- @Mitch Ames That leads to two questions. Is there even one example in all of Australian history of an entire group being murdered without any known descendants? Are there any examples of groups who, through genocidal violence and assimilation, ceased to exist as distinct cultural groups? In both cases, there would have to be terminology to describe a group that once was and now is no longer. If not "extinct", there would still have to be some other description. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 10:37, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- Actually, we need to be careful not to conflate "genocide" and "extinction". Genocide does not require killing all of the people - it is defined as "intentional destruction ... in whole or in part". Extinction requires that they all die, but doesn't require intent. There may be an overlap, but they are not the same thing, and neither implies the other. Mitch Ames (talk) 12:22, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- agree genocide doesnt equate to extinction. @Bohemian Baltimore perhaps you should start with List of massacres of Indigenous Australians to understand the extent of Geonicidal acts in Australia. Gnangarra 12:51, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Gnangarra Since my meaning apparently wasn't clear; there are genocidal acts of violence which lead to the literal or cultural destruction of peoples. What terminology would you use to refer to groups that have been physically annihilated in entirety through genocidal violence, disease, etc? What terminology would you use to refer to historical groups that may have living descendants but that are no longer culturally distinct due to genocidal violence, etc? Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 13:13, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- This is the issue the assumptions here are made based on the use of past tense language in the article, none of them have any reliable sources to support being included in this category. Given that the category itself should be deleted. Gnangarra 13:33, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Gnangarra There are a small number of articles. I do not have a strong opinion on the category, whether it should be renamed or deleted. But I reiterate my question; are there any historical Indigenous Australian groups that can be said to have once existed but that no longer do? What terminology should be used to refer to those historical groups? Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 15:34, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- This is the issue the assumptions here are made based on the use of past tense language in the article, none of them have any reliable sources to support being included in this category. Given that the category itself should be deleted. Gnangarra 13:33, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Gnangarra Since my meaning apparently wasn't clear; there are genocidal acts of violence which lead to the literal or cultural destruction of peoples. What terminology would you use to refer to groups that have been physically annihilated in entirety through genocidal violence, disease, etc? What terminology would you use to refer to historical groups that may have living descendants but that are no longer culturally distinct due to genocidal violence, etc? Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 13:13, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Mitch Ames I'm not conflating genocide and extinction; I myself belong to a group whose history includes the former but not the latter. But I would question why the word extinction has to automatically mean everybody dies. I don't think a term like "cultural extinction" implies that. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 13:07, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
why the word extinction has to automatically mean everybody dies
— Because when we are talking about people, that's what the word means "Extinction is the termination ... by the death of its last member." Admittedly if we are talking about culture we could say that the group is extinct if nobody belongs to it. (If we all gave up editing and WMF deleted Wikipedia, Wikipedians could be said to be "extinct", but most us would still be alive.)- My main point here is that we should probably not use the word "genocide" in this discussion, because it is neither necessary nor sufficient for "extinction", and is unnecessarily emotive. Yes genocide happened, but that does not determine whether a particular people is extinct or not. Mitch Ames (talk) 14:10, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Mitch Ames Okay. So what terminology should we use for "cultural extinction"? What terminology should we use to refer to historical groups that no longer exist as distinct cultures? Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 15:26, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- The term "cultural extinction" is not helpful at all. Even if there is no tangible remainders of a culture you never know how much of customs and oral literature have been exchanged with and integrated in other cultures. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:46, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, but that doesn't mean that the group still exists. So what terminology would you use for a group that once existed and does not now? Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 17:12, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- The term "cultural extinction" is not helpful at all. Even if there is no tangible remainders of a culture you never know how much of customs and oral literature have been exchanged with and integrated in other cultures. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:46, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Mitch Ames Okay. So what terminology should we use for "cultural extinction"? What terminology should we use to refer to historical groups that no longer exist as distinct cultures? Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 15:26, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- agree genocide doesnt equate to extinction. @Bohemian Baltimore perhaps you should start with List of massacres of Indigenous Australians to understand the extent of Geonicidal acts in Australia. Gnangarra 12:51, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: having now been through every article not one defines the culture, people, or country as extinct, sadly Tindale works from 1974 is the primary source in every article and the most recent. The issue there their inclusion is based on whoever started the article using a generic type sentence like according to tindale they (some past tense word) from this area in Queensland. Ironically the only article with recent sourcing is about the current issue of domestic violance in Australia which makes no sense as its in this category. Gnangarra 12:59, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- Presumably you could solve the problem by changing "The Xxxx were ..." to "The Xxxx are ..." (other verb tense changes as appropriate), and providing a reliable source to support the statement of their continued existence. Mitch Ames (talk) 14:16, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- I could change the wording, but as all the articles are basically say Tindale described these countries on his map as being xxxx, their inclusion in the category isnt based on reliable sources or hints of a reference to Extinct. I suggest the category becomes extinct. Gnangarra 14:25, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- Presumably you could solve the problem by changing "The Xxxx were ..." to "The Xxxx are ..." (other verb tense changes as appropriate), and providing a reliable source to support the statement of their continued existence. Mitch Ames (talk) 14:16, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - Possible alternatives to "extinct", for the purposes of renaming the category (tree):* Historical: we already have Category:Historical ethnic groups of Australia - which possibly should be merged (one way or the other) with Category:Extinct Indigenous peoples of Australia. Note that Category:Extinct ethnic groups is a subcat of Category:Historical ethnic groups, so probably Category:Extinct Indigenous peoples of Australia (if it remains) should be a subcat of Category:Historical ethnic groups by continent * nonextant Mitch Ames (talk) 01:34, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Religious buildings and structures destroyed in the Muslim period in the Indian subcontinent[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: rename per actual content. They are all Hindu temples. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:37, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. 08:23, 10 May 2024 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nederlandse Leeuw (talk • contribs)
Category:Conspiracist media[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: This category contains medias that are mainstream, and most of these are from certain countries. Coddlebean (talk) 06:09, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Weak delete; perhaps upmerge A lot of these are indeed conspiracist media, like InfoWars. But categories are not a place where we can verify their status as conspiracist. That's a job for reliable sources in articles. WP:RSP can help. But verification of membership is probably a time-consuming effort. If we don't do that verification regularly, this risks becoming a WP:SUBJECTIVECAT. But perhaps we should upmerge the category to its parents? NLeeuw (talk) 06:34, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Upmerging does not solve the problem, it just moves the problem to another place. Besides Category:Alternative media is certainly not a proper merge target. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:50, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Lean to delete, considering the fact that many articles are already in a more specific subcategory of Category:Conspiracy theories I don't think this category adds much value in itself. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:06, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- keep These are not mainstream media; they are something else. Whether or not they are mostly from certain countries is beside the point; they are from wherever they are from. Specific media outlets are quite different from specific theories and, as such, are not (and should not be) in the random set of articles I looked at in Category:Conspiracy theories. Hmains (talk) 18:16, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, to distinguish between media promoting conspiracy theories and those merely investigating them. Paleontologist99 (talk) 16:28, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Disinformation operations[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: This category contains medias that are mainstream, and most of these are from certain countries. Coddlebean (talk) 06:08, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I don't feel qualified to be a great judge in the matter, but it does seem to be a bit of an WP:ARBITRARYCAT. Disinformation operations definitely exist, but what does that mean exactly for categorisation purposes? Sure, Category:Government spokespersons of Russia spread a lot of disinformation, no doubt about that; but does that make them "operations"? I don't think that makes grammatical sense. Perhaps this category just needs to be Purged? NLeeuw (talk) 06:41, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Purge, to begin with. There are nuanced differences between disinformation, misinformation, propaganda and fake news and this category contains all of that. As we have Category:Misinformation, Category:Fake news and Category:Propaganda as well, it would make sense to remove all articles and subcategories from Category:Disinformation operations if they are already in one of the three other trees. After that is done we may re-evaluate what to do with this category. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:11, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support purge Seems like a good approach to begin with. NLeeuw (talk) 23:05, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support purge and, as for the justification for this delete, these are not mainstream media; they are something else. Whether or not they are mostly from certain countries is beside the point; they are from wherever they are from. And whether or not they are even media is beside the point, since this category is about 'operations'. The same justification has been used into several deletion requests here. Hmains (talk) 19:03, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support purge Seems like a good approach to begin with. NLeeuw (talk) 23:05, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Hindu temples destroyed by Muslims[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Hindu temples destroyed by Muslims to Category:Destroyed Hindu temples
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge. There's really not a need to diffuse this category by perpetrator Mason (talk) 04:31, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Not sure. There is also Category:Churches destroyed by Muslims and all of it is part of Category:Persecution by Muslims. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:28, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Hmmmmm I don't think Category:Mosques converted from churches should be a subcategory of Category:Churches destroyed by Muslims. If "destruction" is to be taken as physical devastation of a building so that it becomes a ruin or a heap of rubble, you can't just make a mosque out of that. I suggest to Template:Category see also these cats to each other instead of giving them a parent-child link. NLeeuw (talk) 23:09, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Fair point. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:09, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- Hmmmmm I don't think Category:Mosques converted from churches should be a subcategory of Category:Churches destroyed by Muslims. If "destruction" is to be taken as physical devastation of a building so that it becomes a ruin or a heap of rubble, you can't just make a mosque out of that. I suggest to Template:Category see also these cats to each other instead of giving them a parent-child link. NLeeuw (talk) 23:09, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Continental League contributors[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Continental League contributors to Category:Baseball executives
- Nominator's rationale: No need for parent category, see below. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:03, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Category:Continental League[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Too little content, all adequately interlinked. See also second proposal above. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:02, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 03:10, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Singles by decade by record label[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Singles by decade by record label, Category:2000s Atlantic Records singles, Category:2010s Atlantic Records singles, Category:2020s Atlantic Records singles, Category:2000s Island Records singles, Category:2010s Island Records singles, Category:2020s Island Records singles, Category:Atlantic Records singles by decade, and Category:Island Records singles by decade to Category:Atlantic Records singles, Category:Island Records singles, various singles-by-year categories as appropriate and delete the main container cat.
- Nominator's rationale: No need to break them up by decade--that would be better handled with a discography anyway--and no need to have the scheme Category:Singles by decade (in the 21st century only) and record label. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 02:52, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Philosophers of theodicy[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Philosophers of theodicy to Category:Philosophers of religion
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge. I don't think we need to diffuse this category by the specific question in the philosophy of religion, especially since this cateogory only has one person it it. Mason (talk) 02:44, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom, this doesn't seem to be a particularly useful subdivision of Category:Philosophers of religion. Psychastes (talk) 02:45, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge or delete, a merge may be unnecessary because the article is already in Category:Existentialist theologians, part of Category:Religious philosophers. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:47, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Philosophers by ethnicity[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: per WP:OCEGRS, there doesn't seem to be a reason why philosophers should be categorized by ethnicity Psychastes (talk) 02:37, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. If not deleted, I think that Jewish philosophers should be added to Category:Philosophers by ethnicity. Mason (talk) 13:41, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:48, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
May 8[edit]
Category:Early Germanic music[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Early Germanic music to Category:Early Germanic culture
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now, there's not enough content to support a category right now. There's only one page in here (and Early Germanic music redirects to Early Germanic culture Mason (talk) 22:56, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- Upmerge per nom. NLeeuw (talk) 06:15, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, the article is about the 8th/9th century in the British Isles, that is outside the scope of early Germanic culture. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:52, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Native Americans' rights activists[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Rename to make the distinction between being an activist who is of native american ancestry and someone who is in support of the rights of people who are of native american ancestry. This category is a siblings to Category:Activists for African-American civil rights and Category:Activists for Hispanic and Latino American civil rights, which were renamed following this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2015_November_4#Category:African-Americans'_civil_rights_activists Mason (talk) 22:38, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support in principle, but why not "civil rights" like the other categories? Marcocapelle (talk) 13:54, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- I would think it's because not only does "Native American rights" encompass civil rights, but also treaty rights. PersusjCP (talk) 15:30, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Also there are quite a few Native American environmental justice rights activists, too. Netherzone (talk) 00:23, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Albanian rights activists[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Albanian rights activists to Category:Activists for Albanian rights
- Nominator's rationale: I think we should rename this category so it is easier to distinguish from Albanian activists. I think that this category is supposed to be Activists who advocate for the rights of Albanian people, as opposed to activists who are albanian nationals. Similar categories like this one are Category:Activists for Hispanic and Latino American civil rights & Category:Activists for African-American civil rights Mason (talk) 22:24, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom. NLeeuw (talk) 06:16, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 08:31, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, the content is about Albanian nationalism rather than about civil rights. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:59, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Lists of airports in Massachusetts[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Redundant category. Let'srun (talk) 19:42, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- "Places" doesn't make sense. Up-merge to Airports in the United States and delete category all together. CaribDigita (talk) 21:06, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- Upmerge to Category:Lists of airports in the United States for now without prejudice per CaribDigita. NLeeuw (talk) 06:18, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- "Places" doesn't make sense. Up-merge to Airports in the United States and delete category all together. CaribDigita (talk) 21:06, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge to Category:Lists of airports in the United States, the article is already in a Massachusetts lists category. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:01, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Heliports in Massachusetts[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Heliports in Massachusetts to Category:Heliports in the United States
- Nominator's rationale: Category lacks subjects. Let'srun (talk) 19:41, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, one article is already in Category:Military heliports in the United States and the other article does not belong in a Heliports category. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:04, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Punjabi diaspora in Asia[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Punjabi diaspora in Asia to Category:Punjabi diaspora by country
- Nominator's rationale: merge, not enough content for diffusion by continent. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:32, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Book of Joel people[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Book of Joel people to Category:Book of Joel
- Propose merging Category:Book of Nahum people to Category:Book of Nahum
- Propose merging Category:Book of Zephaniah people to Category:Book of Zephaniah
- Propose merging Category:Book of Habakkuk people to Category:Book of Habakkuk
- Nominator's rationale: delete, single-article categories, this is not helpful for navigation. Not every Hebrew Bible book must have its own people category per se. There is no need to merge to Category:Hebrew Bible people, the articles are already in Category:Prophets in the Hebrew Bible. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:18, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Tuvan independence activists[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Tuvan independence activists to Category:Tuvan activists
- Nominator's rationale: Broaden this category so it can include other kinds of activists. Mason (talk) 04:22, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge to Category:Tuvan people and Category:Independence activists as it is rather unlikely that we can further populate an activists category. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:18, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
People from Overseas France by ethnic or national origin[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Guadeloupean people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Guadeloupean people by descent
- Propose renaming Category:Martiniquais people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Martiniquais people by descent
- Propose renaming Category:Saint Martinois people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Saint Martinois people by descent
- Propose renaming Category:People from Overseas France by ethnic or national origin to Category:People from Overseas France by descent
- Nominator's rationale: rename for consistency with their subcategories which are all "by descent", as well as for consistency with Category:French people by descent at the top of the tree. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:23, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Suicide books[edit]
- Propose splitting Category:Suicide books to Category:Books about suicide and Category:Suicide methods
- Nominator's rationale: Dual merge: These categories seem to be extremely overlapping Mason (talk) 02:16, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: @NLeeuw: @Mason: I want to take a moment to clarify the nature of the category we're discussing. It appears there might have been a misunderstanding, and I'd like to ensure we're on the same page. The category in question pertains to books on the topic of DIY suicide. These books delve into sensitive and potentially dangerous instructions related to suicide. As such, they carry a significant degree of risk and responsibility. It's important to recognize that their content can have serious implications for individuals who may be vulnerable or in distress. Given the sensitive nature of this subject matter, it's understandable that there may be concerns regarding the availability and promotion of such materials. Our intention is not to offend or upset, but rather to approach this topic with caution and consideration for the well-being of all individuals involved. I apologize if there was any confusion regarding the purpose or scope of this category. Geysirhead (talk) 06:06, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Single merge to Category:Books about suicide; Category:Suicide methods does not seem to be an appropriate merge target. Perhaps keep a redirect. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:02, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- Single merge per Marcocapelle. A book about suicide can be about a lot more than just the methods. Think about motives, underlying causes, social impact, prevention, statistics, cultural depictions and references, etc. NLeeuw (talk) 14:16, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Georgetown College (Kentucky)[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Georgetown College (Kentucky) to Category:Georgetown College
- Nominator's rationale: In line with the main article, Georgetown College. Graham (talk) 02:08, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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